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Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Apr 16, 2013 - 02:20pm PT
Jennie writes:

"The public's disgust with assault weapons is at a historical maximum. Is now the time to push for abolishing them entirely (in the civilian population) ? "


I don't know about that. You can believe what people say, or if you want the truth you can watch what people do.

Gun shops are having a hard time keeping any product in stock, and people are waiting in line for hours to enter gun shows. Demand for guns has never been higher, at least not in my lifetime.

Twenty years ago, Congress passed an "assault" weapons ban - something that won't be done this time around - so a good case can be made the level of "disgust" you mention was actually higher in the 90's than it is today.

But demand for guns has never been greater.
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Apr 16, 2013 - 03:07pm PT
More ...from a pretentious girl who spends way too much time with her thesaurus and not enough time thinking.


Yes, maybe I can get Zoloft for my pretentiousness.

And if they treat obnoxiousness with it...you could certainly qualify, sir!

The fact is there are tens of millions of people on these anti-depressants...most without destructive mental disorders. Millions are given prescriptions to treat sleeping disorders, eating disorders, anxiety over losing family members etc.

Crusading against gun violence is great, Wes. But I'm going to opt for methods more likely to bring a desired effect. Deprive fifteen...twenty percent of the population Second Amendment rights?

I won't be pretentious and say "Go for it!" (...but I will be shaking my head)
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 16, 2013 - 03:15pm PT
The fact is there are tens of millions of people on these anti-depressants...

No, the fact is the drugs fuk with your head.

The percentage of people who commit violent crimes or attempt suicide while "taking alcohol" is more than an order of magnitude LESS than the percentage of people who attempt suicide while "taking SSRIs."

Possessing guns while under the influence of alcohol is an acceptable law that has been in place for quite some time... because people aren't fuking idiots and realize it just makes sense.

How could anyone in their right mind argue for not restricting gun access for those taking drugs that result in a much higher rate of suicide attempts?

Obviously the link between violent crime and SSRIs hasn't been made... when you commit a violent crime, you are not tested for SSRIs... yet.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 16, 2013 - 03:17pm PT
Deprive fifteen...twenty percent of the population Second Amendment rights?


Jennie, curious as to how strongly you feel about the Second Amendment, would you mind addressing your reply solely as to what was "meant" over two hundred years ago when the finest weapons were single shot black powder muskets that took a good amount of time to reload?

for example, do you seriously feel that the guys that wrote that single sentence would feel that the armed citizens of today ought to have unlimited magazine size military style assault weapons?

would universal background checks and say limiting clips to 10 rounds "deprive" citizens?

just curious, not disagreeing with you on anything specific
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 16, 2013 - 03:19pm PT
Norton,, smoke poles were also being used by the govt back then. As technologies changed so did guns and ownership. that is a silly argument.

And 10 rounds you say? How many 30 round clips are out there now? How many fifteen to seventeen round clips for handguns?? MILLIONS....

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 16, 2013 - 03:22pm PT
What is silly is comparing the size of your guns to those of our government.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 16, 2013 - 03:24pm PT
The govt classifies AR 15s as PERSONAL protection. They defined that ,,not me..
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Apr 16, 2013 - 03:41pm PT

for example, do you seriously feel that the guys that wrote that single sentence would feel that the armed citizens of today ought to have unlimited magazine size military style assault weapons?

would universal background checks and say limiting clips to 10 rounds "deprive" citizens?



Norton, I believe military assault weapons in the possesion of U.S. civilians is an exaggerated...or even gratuitous interpretation of the Second Amendment.

I'm hoping we can find a balance between adequate self defense and undue capacity to wreak senseless havoc.

Ten rounds seems like lots to me. It was my understanding that background checks are presently required for buying guns.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 16, 2013 - 03:47pm PT
Jennie in its order for thousands of weapons, the US GOVT calls AR15s personal protection arms. NOT ASSUALT WEAPONS , and NOT MILITARY style weapons. Just personal protection.. By that definition, AR 15s should be available to me.
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Apr 16, 2013 - 03:47pm PT
The clerk at the Gun Shop, or the guy with a table of rifles at the Gun Show, should have the same access to our mental health records as they do our criminal histories.

no. they dont need access. they simply need a yes or a no (ro sell their wares) from soemone more responsible. good luck with finding who that is.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Apr 16, 2013 - 03:49pm PT
Any weapon a solder carries is called a personal weapon as opposed to a crewed weapon. What's yer point again?

Where do ya think we send these soldier to? Hawaiian vacations? Of course these weapons are for their personal protection.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 16, 2013 - 03:50pm PT
i guess my point would be,, the SENATE agreed with me.....
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Apr 16, 2013 - 03:52pm PT
About what?
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Apr 16, 2013 - 03:57pm PT
Ron,

I'm clearly not a firearms expert, but I believe the AR-15 is close to the rifle my dad carried in Vietnam.

And wasn't the assault weapon used in the Sandy Hook massacre a similar clone ??
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 16, 2013 - 03:57pm PT
they TOSSED the "assualt" weapons bans ,,,duh..Stay with me here now...


Jennifer, Yes, your correct on all counts. Only there IS a difference between those used in military, police and govt issues vs the ones available to the public. The guns available to john Q are NOT fully -automatic(machine gun like). They shoot one round per squeeze of the trigger, just like a basic remington deer rifle does of semi auto function.
The time it takes to swap a magazine is 2 seconds on the long side for just about any gun. So consider that when referencing 30 or ten round magazines. And also realize there are multi millions of large capacity magazines out there.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Apr 16, 2013 - 04:00pm PT
Wow, that is very funny. You can't really focus very well, can you? Or maybe you don't want to talk about 'personal' weapons any more.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 16, 2013 - 04:10pm PT
Mono, no i dont want to talk about personal protection weapons as im FINE with the current definitions and so is the Senate. nanner nanner nanner...
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Apr 16, 2013 - 04:22pm PT
I agree, since the Senate uses the 'assault' weapon term, the 'personal' protection designation is meaningless in this discussion. Thanks for coming around.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 16, 2013 - 04:25pm PT
Jennie,

thank you for your reply to my questions
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Apr 16, 2013 - 04:30pm PT
You're welcome, Norton
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