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Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Apr 14, 2013 - 03:15pm PT
jghedge writes:

"You're basically describing South Central."



Does this look like South Central to you?



It sure as hell doesn't smell like South Central. It smells like orange blossoms right now.

That's my 'hood. My place is hidden in the trees in the lower-left.

The ghetto-birds ( helicopters ) make their way out here from San Bernardino, and shine their lights all over the place periodically.

Sometimes the helicopter uses a loudspeaker to shout something like "THIS IS SERGEANT STEDANKO OF THE SAN BERNARDINO SHERIFFS DEPARTMENT WE KNOW WHERE YOU ARE COME OUT WITH YOUR HANDS UP ME LLAMO SGT STEDANKO DE LOS SHERIFFS DE SAN BERNARDINO VENGA AQUI CON TUS MANOS ARIBE IMMEDIAMENTE".

jghedge goes on:

"Then why live there? ... Why not just leave? Why live there, if it's as bad as you describe?"


I like it here. That's why.



That's my neighbor's place lower-left. San Jacinto on the right horizon, San Gorgonio on the left.

Looking out my back door:



I'm backed-up to a privately owned, open to everyone, free, non-motorized recreation area and nature preserve. Owned by one guy. Several square miles of wild hills, which connects to huge tracts of public lands stretching from here to the Colorado River.

My place is a "hard target", chiefly because I'm here, so I've never seen any of the criminales the cops are looking for.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 14, 2013 - 03:18pm PT
Wes,, there are many doctors out there that will say anything you pay them too. Just ask professional athletes. So yes,, you can be "cured" with a wisp of a pen.

With that wisp comes responsibility. If a particular Dr's wisp results in that patient being "cured" and getting guns when they shouldn't and eventually them committing homicide, the Dr's records could easily be evaluated and the Dr. held liable if negligent.

I held our neighbor's head as she took her last breath after running her car into a tree at 50 mph. She was right in front of me when she started accelerating and veered off into the tree. I was the only one (out of ~10) that filled out a police report, likely because I was the first one there and saw the whole thing. Apparently she was on some heavy meds for cancer. I was questioned by an attorney for 45 minutes regarding what I saw in that brief moment. Neighborhood gossip says the family was suing the prescribing Dr. for inadequate warnings regarding the side effects of the medication. I doubt that is uncommon. The situation you propose seems WAY more straightforward.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Apr 14, 2013 - 03:27pm PT
You ought to move out here to The I.E., jg. We don't have any gangs in my neighborhood, and since my neighbor's kid killed himself, we don't have any crime here either.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 14, 2013 - 03:48pm PT
heres a thought you ignorant F8ckhead,,, IGNORE ME,,PLEASE!


You ignore all your friends telling you what kind of an IDIOT you are on here,, so why not IGNORE ME!

And ,, F*CK YOU, F*CK YOUR DUMB-ASS OPINIONS,F*CK YOUR DUMB-ASS POSTS, and F*CK YOU AGAIN just in general.


Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 14, 2013 - 04:01pm PT



Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal

Apr 14, 2013 - 12:48pm PT
heres a thought you ignorant F8ckhead,,, IGNORE ME,,PLEASE!
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 14, 2013 - 04:12pm PT



Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal

Apr 14, 2013 - 12:48pm PT
heres a thought you ignorant F8ckhead,,, IGNORE ME,,PLEASE!
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 14, 2013 - 04:13pm PT
It is clear that jhedge is a dick here, especially to you Ron. Why ask him to do anything when you know he won't? Why don't you just ignore him when he keeps coming at you? I mostly ignore TGT and his ilk... it really isn't that hard. Besides, with jhedge being suck a dick, I fear for my role in the supertopo community. Please don't provoke him or I will have to find another forum to waste my time.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 14, 2013 - 04:15pm PT
Wes,, youve no chance to "beat" his dick-ness (cool pun eh!)

Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Apr 14, 2013 - 04:26pm PT
Weschrist writes:

"I absolutely believe anyone diagnosed with certain mental disorders (by say a few independent Drs to be sure?) should definitely have their guns taken away... especially if they choose to take mind fuk drugs as treatment."



Damn straight!

Here's the happy tale of one Anthony Orban. "Happy" only because Orban's dead, and his fat little prison guard partner in crime is now locked up in the same prison system he once "worked" in. But the poor victim still has to live with what happened for the rest of her life.



This guy was a Marine Officer, and a Police Detective, so he obviously knew right from wrong, and had been screened and checked out in every way immagineable. Then one day, he lost his mind ( or he lost the grip on a mind that was already shot ).

http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2010/04/anthony_nicholas_orban_rape_de.php

In court - under oath - he blamed Zoloft for his freakout.

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jun/21/local/la-me-rape-zoloft-20120621

I'm with Weschrist here. Anyone on these psychotropic drugs needs to be on the list of Prohibitted Persons.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 14, 2013 - 04:41pm PT
Chaz,,If anyone has noticed, i HAVENT said that is completely wrong. However, "defenses" often spring up and then become the patent excuse- weve seen this many times.. Much like the "Biden defense" will be used when being arrested for discharge of a weapon in a congested area.

So now,, anyone taking these drugs will naturally "hear voices" in defense of their crimes.



edit: Coz,, Dangman,, shoulder and hip-- fun times!!
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 14, 2013 - 04:46pm PT
My point was that gun nuts were killing law officials, just like in Mogadishu.

Jihadi nuts with suicide vests.

Nine militants attacked the court complex, and that six of them detonated suicide vests, said Interior Minister Abdikarim Hussein Guled. The three others were shot and killed during the assault, he said. Guled said he couldn't immediately provide an overall death toll.


Yah, the homegrown jihadis just use knives.

http://gopthedailydose.com/2013/04/06/two-christians-beheaded-in-new-jersey-by-muslim-man-media-silent/
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 14, 2013 - 04:52pm PT
Swell to see a media blackout on that one eh TGT!

Its starting to rain!,, ohhwww,, nope,, its piss...


THIRD WORLD INFLUENCE---Gud for America...
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 14, 2013 - 05:06pm PT
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=9062720
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 14, 2013 - 05:13pm PT
So now,, anyone taking these drugs will naturally "hear voices" in defense of their crimes.

If We The People make it illegal for mentally unstable people (on or off mind fuk drugs) to have guns, "hearing voices" will be irrelevant. The gun should be traceable back to the last legal source and blame can be placed accordingly. Why would any sane person have a problem with that... unless of course you are in the business of supplying guns to crazy people?



BTW, you gun nuts MUST see how SILLY you look when you claim gun stats from the UK are irrelevant to guns in the US, but bring up suicide bombers in Mogadishu as if they somehow do. Right? You do see that, don't you?
johnboy

Trad climber
Can't get here from there
Apr 14, 2013 - 05:18pm PT
"undocumented immigrant"

Ron, why would we need more border patrol, the ones that want in illegally
will come anyway despite the law. Why more, tougher immigration laws, we have enough already.

Isn't that your stance on no more gun laws?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 14, 2013 - 05:42pm PT
Johnboy,, your 100% correct. We HAVE LAWS on the books, hence we KNOW people sneaking in here are "illegal". That very fact is "illegal". Isnt it? So really, just start ENFORCING THE LAWS that were shoved upon us for the last 200 plus years? We have laws on murder that in essence these days means an extended vacation behind bars instead of an eye for an eye. The Mass murderers will make their book and movie deals too.

But the plain and widely ignored fact about US gun ownership, is that the more there are, the less serious crime happens, with a minimum figure of 180K to millions of times per year , according to wiki. For what that is worth.

Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Apr 14, 2013 - 06:56pm PT
In court - under oath - he blamed Zoloft for his freakout.


The audacious frailty in the "Zoloft made me do it" defense is that there is lack of scientific evidence that depression is caused by serotonin imbalance or that Zoloft works to correct any such imbalance.

Thirty million Zoloft prescriptions are written every year.

I'm afraid without tangible confirmation that psychotropic drugs induce violent behavior, depriving an individual of firearms on that basis alone, will fail legally.

Harry Reid's decision to discard an assault weapons ban from a gun control package is regrettable. What realistic or practical civilian need warrants sustained, high volume fire?

Personal defense? Hunting?

Criminals and psychopaths can exploit assault weapons to do great harm...in the possession of the law adiding, they're little more than dangerous toys...toys that can be stolen for ominous purpose.

Certainly, we want firearm ownership denied the unbalanced and criminal. But abandoning the practical argument against assault weapons and giving consequence to the psychotropic drug argument (vis a vis drugs impelling violence, being fuzzy and nebulous) simply won't achieve that result.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 14, 2013 - 07:16pm PT
I'm afraid without tangible confirmation that psychotropic drugs induce violent behavior

Doesn't have to induce violent behavior. Seems pretty well established that it makes some people loony. Seems like that ought to be enough to warrant restricting access to killing machines?

Of course, IMO, anyone who hears voices that aren't there (drug induced, religious, or otherwise) should not have access to guns. If you want to live in THAT world, fine, but you shouldn't expect others to allow you access to killing machines in this one.
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Apr 14, 2013 - 07:51pm PT
Doesn't have to induce violent behavior. Seems pretty well established that it makes some people loony. Seems like that ought to be enough to warrant restricting access to killing machines





By what criteria is it "well established"?

Five to Eight percent of the U.S. population having taken Zoloft...a handful, in court, claiming it made them commit felonies? Makes some people loony? ...I suggest they were already loony.

Does alchohol make some people obnoxius? ...or are they already belligerent types and the drink lightens their reservations?
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Apr 14, 2013 - 07:58pm PT
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