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madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Jul 30, 2014 - 10:00pm PT
Tell me how a good guy with a gun is going to stop this.

Could a cop have stopped the incidents?

If no, then you have no point.

If yes, then any other good guy with a gun also could have.

And exactly which proposed gun control laws would have stopped the incidents?

Causal chains please.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Aug 7, 2014 - 04:29pm PT
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Aug 7, 2014 - 04:34pm PT
madbolter said
Could a cop have stopped the incidents?

If no, then you have no point.

If yes, then any other good guy with a gun also could have.

And exactly which proposed gun control laws would have stopped the incidents?

Causal chains please.

Holy glib, specious argument, Batman!
crankster

Trad climber
Aug 7, 2014 - 04:34pm PT
Zzzzzzz
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Aug 7, 2014 - 06:57pm PT
Holy glib, specious argument, Batman!

Holy glib, NON-argument, Robin!

LOL
couchmaster

climber
Aug 8, 2014 - 08:01am PT
Hey Glanton, there is another thread where you can post selfies.

The President has banned all Ismash kalishnkoff Molot products from import as part of sanctions against the Russsians.
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Aug 8, 2014 - 09:39am PT
Could a cop have stopped the incidents?

If no, then you have no point.

If yes, then any other good guy with a gun also could have.

And exactly which proposed gun control laws would have stopped the incidents?

Causal chains please.

Why is it that you require the cop or the guy with the gun to only offer the possibility of stopping those incidents, while you require gun control laws to stop them with certainty?

Without a doubt, universal background checks will reduce the probability of incidents like these. So too would stricter regulation of firearms dealers.

On a happier note, I am relieved to see that at least one Detroit Gun Nut will pay an appropriate price for drinking the gun culture's kool-aid. "I was not going to cower. I didn't want to be a victim in my own house," he said. "I drew first, that's how I see it." I hope he now cowers every day in prison. Perhaps the national attention of this case will open a few eyes and make some people think twice before they pull the trigger.

TE
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Aug 8, 2014 - 10:18am PT
Really sad for the victim and her family, and another argument for stricter licensing requirements. Right now any yahoo can buy a gun with no qualifications or training. Part of that training should be the understanding you will go prison for a long time if you make a mistake. All the NRA wants you focus on is the need for protection, and not the consequences of poor decisions.

madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Aug 8, 2014 - 10:23am PT
I was not going to cower. I didn't want to be a victim in my own house

He shot THROUGH a door!!! No imminent threat. No excuse. End of story.


Just got my Colorado CCW today. Now I'm a card-carrying "gun nut."

Oh, wait. That would be if I joined the NRA, I think.

Whew! Perhaps I'm not a "nut" yet.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Aug 8, 2014 - 10:31am PT
at least one Detroit Gun Nut will pay an appropriate price for drinking the gun culture's kool-aid.

Which of the proposed gun-control laws would have kept this incident from happening?

Causal chains, please.

And "the gun culture?" What does that even MEAN? ROFL
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 8, 2014 - 11:06am PT
On a happier note,
not a happier note at all. A totally innocent young woman is dead due to an armed idiot. You will notice from the reported testimony he didn't even claim to be frightened (unlike that other paragon of gun idiocy, Pistorius), he shot her in cold premeditated blood.
Oh, but she was black, intoxicated and from the other side of the tracks. So she must be partly culpable.
crankster

Trad climber
Aug 8, 2014 - 12:04pm PT
Now why dont some of you search out and post when concealed carriers have saved the day or the moment or some ones life? They are out there but you have to grovel deeply for them as it seems major media sources all but ignore those happenings since they dont match their mantra of the moment.

Since the media is mostly conservative (Fox dominates the ratings), if this statement had a fraction of truth the righties would be playing it nonstop. The reason they DON"T is because it DOESN'T happen very often. Compared to the amount of people killed by guns, intentionally or accidentally, its a trivial amount.
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Aug 8, 2014 - 12:29pm PT
The reason they DON"T is because it DOESN'T happen very often. Compared to the amount of people killed by guns, intentionally or accidentally, its a trivial amount.

The FBI reports a total 200-300 justifiable homicides by civilians each year. Even if we took every single one of those to be Ron's hypothetical civilian gun-toting hero, it wouldn't make his point valid compared with 10,000 murders. Some are of course legitimate self-defense on which we all can agree, others are justifiable only because of the absurdity of "stand your ground" or castle doctrine laws. Even of those legally justified, there can be no doubt that not all would have resulted in the murder of the victim in the absence of a gun.

TE
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Aug 8, 2014 - 12:46pm PT
Which of the proposed gun-control laws would have kept this incident from happening?

Causal chains, please.

I never claimed they would/could, I was simply pointing out a recent news story relevant to this thread and expressing my hopes on how its publicity might actually help some gun owner make a better decision when faced with a similar circumstance.

Gun-culture? 90,900,000 google hits, figure it out for yourself.

Happy weekend everybody, stay safe.

TE

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Aug 8, 2014 - 02:20pm PT

Since the media is mostly conservative (Fox dominates the ratings), if this statement had a fraction of truth the righties would be playing it nonstop. The reason they DON"T is because it DOESN'T happen very often. Compared to the amount of people killed by guns, intentionally or accidentally, its a trivial amount.

Ho man, what claptrap!

Media mostly conservative?

Doesn't happen very often? Read "the Armed Citizen" each month and it will cite dozens of incidents, giving references to newspaper articles.

If the media was conservative they'd be all over it.
Instead it is an inconvenient truth that can only be partially swept under the rug.

Those that are willing to compromise freedom for security deserve neither.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Aug 8, 2014 - 05:13pm PT
Gun-culture? 90,900,000 google hits, figure it out for yourself.

The fact that bunches of people are searching for something does not correlate with the idea that ANY of them have the foggiest clue what they are talking about or searching for.

YOU use the term as a dysphemism, so I ask you what you really mean by it, and you punt.

Do you really think that this recent goofball shooting some woman through the door, or Pistorius (ironically, also shooting through a door), are really informative about your use of the term?
crankster

Trad climber
Aug 9, 2014 - 07:13am PT
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Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Aug 9, 2014 - 11:08am PT
How unarmed people get to see themselves;

(insert photo of any massacre)
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Aug 9, 2014 - 04:49pm PT
The Armed Citizen:
http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-texas-shooting-20140808-story.html
A Texas boy who was accidentally shot in the face by his 7-year-old cousin is out of surgery and expected to survive his injuries, police officials told the Los Angeles Times on Friday.

The 8-year-old was struck in the left cheek around 4:30 p.m. on Thursday at the Harbor Oaks Apartments in Texas City, a city of 45,000 roughly 40 miles outside of Houston, accoring to Texas City Police Capt. Joe Stanton.

Emergency crews airlifted the boy to Memorial Hermann Hospital in Houston, where he remains in the pediatric intensive care unit in critical condition.

The victim, his 9-year-old brother and his 7-year-old cousin were all left alone inside an apartment on Thursday after the person their mother asked to watch them left the residence for an unknown reason, Stanton said.

The children later told police that they found a loaded .380 caliber semiautomatic handgun somewhere in the house.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Aug 9, 2014 - 05:06pm PT
So sad. The lack of any uniform testing and standards for gun owners will lead to more tragic deaths of innocent people. I have yet to hear one plausible argument against such a standard, other than batsh*t crazy paranoia that the government will come for you.
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