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mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 28, 2013 - 10:00am PT
If you make legal access to firearms too hard, you'll end up making it much easier to get a gun.


Yeah, that makes sense... since most guns on the streets get there through straw sales... you know, like any criminal who doesn't have a felony can legally buy one gun a month and sell it to their neighbor... no tracking, no followups, no reporting of high volume purchasers... the gun manufacturers like it that way, which is why they pay the NRA so much to lobby and brainwash morains.

No need to increase regulations/oversight...
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=129253&page=1#.UVR4NldvBao
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 28, 2013 - 10:05am PT
And I can make a phone call or two and get as many guns as I can afford today. No paperwork. The Black Market is already up-and-running. Trust me. I've participated in underground trade on many levels.

You really want to give the Black Market a big boost? Give it a monopoly.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 28, 2013 - 10:08am PT
And I can make a phone call or two and get as many guns as I can afford today.

Where did those guns originally come from? How did your seller get them?

Don't be a dumb ass. It has been shown the vast majority of guns on the streets (black market) come from straw sales or corrupt gun shops. Clearly stricter regulations and prosecution would slow down the flow of guns into the streets. If you can't see that you are a fool.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 28, 2013 - 10:09am PT
yes, and the 499 other million guns have killed no one. Failry good track record considering. Not to mention guns prevent far more crimes and homicides per year than they commit.. FAR more.
jghedge

climber
Mar 28, 2013 - 10:18am PT
"Not to mention guns prevent far more crimes and homicides per year than they commit.. FAR more."

Not to mention you've pulled more data out of your ass than you ever dreamed of ever actually looking up. FAR more.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Mar 28, 2013 - 10:19am PT
Anderson is also the guy who says murder rates are going up and down at the same time, within 10 minutes.
jghedge

climber
Mar 28, 2013 - 10:21am PT
"You really want to give the Black Market a big boost? Give it a monopoly."

Once we start confiscating them, and shutting down production, no one will be able to afford them. They'll cost 20 times as much on the black market as they do now.

You're not really good at thinking through what you post, are you?
jghedge

climber
Mar 28, 2013 - 10:22am PT
"Anderson is also the guy who says murder rates are going up and down at the same time, within 10 minutes."

Hahahahaha, yes, not too much going on upstairs there

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 28, 2013 - 10:29am PT
Of every 10 firearm homicide victims killed at the shooter’s residence:6 were intimate partners or family members, 3 were friends or acquaintances, 1 was a stranger.

One of 10 firearm homicides in the shooter’s home was considered justifiable (shooter was not an assailant).

http://www.apps.cdph.ca.gov/epicdata/firearms/gunownstore.htm
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 28, 2013 - 10:40am PT
Weschrist,

Is it possible to use a gun defensively without shooting someone, or even firing it?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 28, 2013 - 10:40am PT
According to FBI Uniform Crime Reports (UCR), in 2011 there were 12,664 murders and 653 justifiable homicides (of which 393 were performed by law enforcement) in the United States. Over previous years this reflects a decline in criminal homicide and an increase in homicides reported as justifiable (for 2008 UCR listed 14,180 murders, 616 justifiable homicides (of which 371 were by law enforcement). The UCR states that the justifiable homicide statistic does not represent eventual adjudication by medical examiner, coroner, district attorney, grand jury, trial jury or appellate court.[102] Few US jurisdictions allow a police crime report to adjudicate a homicide as justifiable and in any given year fifteen to twenty states do not report such statistics to FBI UCR, resulting in an undercount in the UCR table. The vast majority of defensive gun uses (DGUs) do not involve killing or wounding an attacker, with government surveys showing 108,000 (NCVS) to 23 million (raw NSPOF) DGUs per year,[103] with ten private national surveys showing 764,000 to 3.6 million DGU per year.[104]
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So go ahead anti gun knutts- coo-coo-ca-chew on those figures.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 28, 2013 - 10:46am PT
also from Wikipedia,, 2/3 of gun deaths in the US are suicides..
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 28, 2013 - 10:47am PT
Monolith,

Is it possible to use a gun defensively without shooting someone, or even firing it?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 28, 2013 - 10:49am PT
Allow me Chaz,, the wiki figures are a minimum of 108,000 times per year a gun is used to thwart crime without being fired.


just who are you mono.. I stand by my name..
jghedge

climber
Mar 28, 2013 - 10:52am PT
"Is it possible to use a gun defensively without shooting someone, or even firing it?"

Yup - just as easy as to commit a crime the same way.

Your point?
frank wyman

Mountain climber
montana
Mar 28, 2013 - 10:55am PT
"Self Defense" is justly called the primary law of nature, so it is not, neither can it be in fact, taken away by the laws of society" -Sir William Blackstone-
jghedge

climber
Mar 28, 2013 - 10:56am PT
"the wiki figures are a minimum of 108,000 times per year a gun is used to thwart crime without being fired."


Versus 12,000 murders?

You're willing to trade 1 actual murder for every 9 crimes supposedly stopped?


Gee, Rong - what if you're the actual murder, which there's a 11% chance you will be?

Hahahahaha - like I said - not too much going on upstairs there
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 28, 2013 - 10:59am PT
just curious..I didnt expect an answer.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Mar 28, 2013 - 10:59am PT
Not the answer you demand, sorry. Now get back to debating the facts.
jghedge

climber
Mar 28, 2013 - 10:59am PT
"Self Defense" is justly called the primary law of nature, so it is not, neither can it be in fact, taken away by the laws of society"

Rational "Self Defense" would include not arming the very people you have to defend yourself against in the first place.

That is why the country that the person whom you quoted is from outlawed guns.

And why they only had 35 gun deaths last year - 20 of which were suicides.
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