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Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Apr 7, 2013 - 10:25pm PT
Well, this is going nowhere.

Is this the part where I say I'm quitting the site and fume off for all of one day?

Hahahahahaha!

I'll take West's example and get back to my studies or henna tattoos or whatever the f*#k that Tahoe wanker does when he's not posting here.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Apr 7, 2013 - 10:28pm PT
The NRA is an intinsically evil intistution run by calcified, bigoted caucasions who are completely out of touch with the 21st Century.
They should be euthanized, mummified and interred with there most precious weapons.
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Apr 7, 2013 - 10:30pm PT
"Ron's demonstrated he's an artist with considerable talent."


"So's my pre-school great-nephew.

They both have about the same communication skills as wel"

... says the glorified tape-splicer.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 7, 2013 - 10:32pm PT
JD,,same could be said for the congress, senate and admin..
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Apr 7, 2013 - 10:32pm PT
"The NRA is an intrinsically evil institution run by calcified, bigoted caucasions who are completely out of touch with the 21st Century."

Sure seems that way some times.
Truth is, you could probably say that about MOST of corporate America...
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Apr 7, 2013 - 10:35pm PT
Vague threats of bodily harm. Nice, Hedge. What are you on? You might want to get your ICP checked, you're about to spring a leak.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Apr 7, 2013 - 10:35pm PT
Exposing racists for the fools and cowards they are will, though.

It seems to me that accusing somebody of being a racist in this day and age is very serious, even civilly actionable. I've read through this thread pretty carefully, and I would like to know what Ron has written that justifies you calling him a racist. Have you read the "racist" metrics on the FBI site you so highly tout? How do you justify calling Ron a racist, fool, and coward?

I had no intention of further participating in this "discussion," because there is almost nothing resembling an actual discussion of facts and various valid ways of interpreting them. It's turned into bullying, name-calling, and verbal drive-by-shootings. But I think your comments about Ron being a racist go far beyond the pale, even for the lowest of the Taco threads (which this has turned into, thanks in no small part to your contributions).

I think your "racist" accusations are worthy of site review/moderation, and, again, might well be actionable. What evidence of Ron's supposed racism do you have?
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Apr 7, 2013 - 10:39pm PT
New Town. 12/14
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 7, 2013 - 10:44pm PT
It's a big world with a lot of different perspectives

There's a HUGE difference between "perspectives" and refusing to the understand the actual information being presented. Ron is guilty of the latter. In my book, pretending to be involved in a discussion and discarding the available information because it doesn't fit your "perspective" is deserving of ridicule and is at least as rood as calling someone names. When someone gets their ass handed to them as much as Ron has and still comes back with the tired old bullsh#t, you have to acknowledge the fact he is bringing it on himself. He dishes it out on occasion, he keeps coming back, and he refuses to a knowledge when his "perspective" is in direct conflict with THE FACTS. Yes, Ron deserves the verbal abuse he gets here... really anyone who logs on deserves the verbal abuse they get here... including hedge, so let it rip.






Hillrat, that's a kind offer, thanks. I'm out of town until May, but we should do it this summer. I've actually never had the opportunity to eat heart. Haven't had liver for a long time either. Maybe boil up some crawdads too.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Apr 7, 2013 - 10:46pm PT
Thanks for the further info, Coz. Oh, and by the way, I did follow your sobriety thread with interest. Congrats, and more power to you!
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 7, 2013 - 10:48pm PT
what Ron has written that justifies you calling him a racist.

Anyone straying from the "progressive" party line is a "racist"

No justification required from their perspective.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Apr 7, 2013 - 10:55pm PT

There's a HUGE difference between "perspectives" and refusing to the understand the actual information being presented. Ron is guilty of the latter.

Is it a hanging offense?

Or a tissue issue?

Will you get over it?

I know, I know, you're just bored and poking the bear.

The other guy? I'm a little concerned.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 7, 2013 - 10:57pm PT
FYI, you are labeled a racist and maybe fired from some jobs for saying "they'll probably have to hire a Mexican to meet those stupid diversity requirements." Which justifies hedge's characterization of Ron as a racist, at least a little.


Is it a hanging offense?

No, but it is certainly deserving of the abuse dished out thus far.

Will you get over it?

Never. I will carry it to my grave.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Apr 7, 2013 - 11:00pm PT

Never. I will carry it to my grave.

Ha!

I expect the issue to make an appearance in the epitaph after you're beaten to death with your own arms by thugs of a hard to pin-point ethnicity you've vaguely offended.



No, but it is certainly deserving of the abuse dished out thus far.

I would have to say that is not a standard shared by all.

We could toss around the label "bullies" just as easy as the old "racist" card. I just think the mutually argued point is getting into a little bit strange, non-productive, and intense territory lately.

Again, I give Bullfrog all due troll credit. Bravo, sir!
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Apr 7, 2013 - 11:08pm PT
There's a HUGE difference between "perspectives" and refusing to the understand the actual information being presented. Ron is guilty of the latter.

I could say the same thing about you and Joe.

Joe repeatedly cites "12000 murders," and I show that that figure is simply not the case, not even on the FBI site he cites to support that claim.

You and Joe then spend a dozen posts on sarcasm about how accidents, suicides, and murders are really not really different.

Okay, so I post careful research noting that if "the death toll" is all that matters (confused as I am by your and Joe'e EMPHASIS on murder, murder, murder), then there ARE many other easily preventable activities that do FAR more damage to this society and cause FAR more death, particularly among young people, than guns do.

You and Joe then devolve into yet more mirth about how "pulling a cigarette" doesn't "feel" as much of a threat to you as pulling a gun. Wait, I thought we were talking about data rather than viscera here; that's what you and Joe keep claiming, anyway.

I clarify that, yes, the sense of "proximate threat" is not there with cigarettes, but that as a statistical FACT they do far more damage to and cause far more death in our society than all gun deaths combined (again, particularly to our young people and even infants, who cannot "just walk away").

I could go on and on. In every case that I have responded to a stated perspective with hard facts and careful interpretation, you and Joe have initiated a dog-pile response of pure sarcasm and straw-man comparisons.

Look, if you want to emphasize gun-MURDER, then the actual statistics do NOT support your claims of 12,000 MURDERS per year; it's more like 1/3 of that, AND that number is declining year-by-year, even as gun sales increase. Those are FACTS derived from the very same site you most highly tout, coupled with CDC data that is even more reliable than that of the FBI because it is cooked rather than raw data.

If you want to emphasize DEATH by gun, then you can at least get to around 11,000, but in that event, you'll have more work to do to distinguish "all that death" from MANY other causes that are even more easily preventable than are gun deaths, AND you'll have to demonstrate much more carefully than you have that just making various gun-sales laws are going to have the effect you desire.

As I said, I honestly have no ax to grind. I have no problem whatsoever with the sorts of laws you suggest. I just don't think you or anybody else has produced the slightest systematic evidence to indicate that such laws are going to have the desired effect.

My point is that YOU and JOE have been the most vociferous gang-bangers on this thread, and you have BOTH been willfully and sarcastically dismissive of any attempts to show you that your particular "take" on the data and how to interpret it is NOT the only reasonable or valid "take" on it.

So, don't single Ron out for special condemnation. The data is itself difficult, and interpreting it is even more difficult. And after all that, finding solutions that can be expected to work HERE, in the USA, are not nearly as simple as you make them out to be. Most of all, your approach to those that disagree with your (quite simplistic) sort of analysis is indicative of a mindset that really is polarizing America.

Of course, what can I really hope for on a Taco thread? Right?

Well, at least I can hope for and EXPECT that we're not going to devolve into accusations of racism! Meanwhile, as I've said, neither you nor Joe demonstrate that you are concerned with any actual moral high ground.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Apr 7, 2013 - 11:11pm PT
Well said ^^^
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Apr 7, 2013 - 11:12pm PT
Hey guys what's goin' on? :D




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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 7, 2013 - 11:12pm PT
HAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!!!!!GUD one G! And Thanks to those calmer heads here. Im all about peace love and doves.. If given the choice.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Apr 7, 2013 - 11:21pm PT
The basic test is referring to anyone's race in a way you wouldn't dare say to them in person if you were afraid of them being offended and/or kicking your teeth down your ignorant throat.

That and the rest of what you had to say in that post are so obviously not the "real test," or even a legitimate one, is so obvious that I'm not going to bother.

What I will say is that HOW you approach such a discussion is going to have a big effect on how much (legitimate) offense you might cause. As a college professor in both the Cal. State and UC systems, I can say that I have repeatedly discussed "very offensive" issues having to do with demographics, and I've managed to do so in such a way that my very racially-mixed audiences did not take offense.

Perhaps a big reason is that I recognize a distinction that is LOST on this thread: Racism is discrimination (or advocating discrimination) against a RACIAL group according to attributes supposedly possessed by that RACIAL group that may or may not be in fact possessed by that group.

What most people typically do (apparently you as well) is CONFLATE "racial" attributes with demographic attributes.

For example, according to the FBI site you so dearly love, about 50% of the gangland violence in the US is perpetrated by "blacks." That's a DEMOGRAPHIC fact rather than a RACIAL one, because "blacks" do not have "gangland violence" as an attribute qua race!

By the same token, it's a demographic rather than racial fact that a higher proportion of illegal Hispanic immigrants are involved in gangland activities than are their legal counterparts. So, it CAN'T be a RACIAL issue, because there are both legal and illegal Hispanic immigrants.

What I read from Ron is a fairly simplistic attempt to note some demographic facts. These attempts do NOT make him a racist.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Apr 7, 2013 - 11:44pm PT
I just wanted to be post #5000.

Bye!
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