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Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 27, 2013 - 09:42pm PT
Would you agree there's a difference between a "similarity", and "just like" ?

Can you at least see that?
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Mar 27, 2013 - 09:43pm PT
If you want to quibble, fine. And it's not just a similarity, it's "most like than any other country".

Remember, this was about travel advisories regarding safety, not culture.
tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Mar 27, 2013 - 09:52pm PT
yup. I did.

edit(s0 I don't bump this thread). yup. you did hedge. what if you took the gun stat numbers, removed handguns from the US to match Canada, then gun numbers are even (we have 1/3 the # of guns per capita as you - but all long guns) For the number of long guns you have, 4% of crime is done with that. Almost all of our gun crime is done with long guns. Which means that if the US just gave up handguns they would have a better gun death rate than canada, no?
jghedge

climber
Mar 27, 2013 - 10:07pm PT
Did I get you straightened out on your gun murder stats, Tooth?

Namely, you claimed that the US homicide rate with gun murders removed is still "multiple times higher" than Canada's overall homicide rate?
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 27, 2013 - 10:10pm PT
Would you feel safer walking down the streets of San Bernardino? Or Vancouver?
jghedge

climber
Mar 27, 2013 - 10:29pm PT
"Would you feel safer walking down the streets of San Bernardino? Or Vancouver?"

Duh.

Would you feel safer walking the streets of South Central, or Beverly Hills?
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 27, 2013 - 10:31pm PT
Washington D.C., or Ottowa? Which is safer at night? Apples-to-apples, as both are national capitols.

America's just more violent. Any way you want to measure it. And we should be. It's in our genetics.
jghedge

climber
Mar 27, 2013 - 10:38pm PT
"Apples-to-apples, as both are national capitols."

Uh, well...our gun murder rate is 6 times higher that Canada's, and who knows how much higher DC's is than Ottowa, so obviously, you're safer in Canada.

Which, according to the gun nuts, makes no sense, as 300 million guns means everyone in the US is safer.
jghedge

climber
Mar 27, 2013 - 10:39pm PT
"And we should be. It's in our genetics."

And you just pulled that from which lower body orifice?

The same one that claims LA is just like Mexico, no doubt...


Get a few years of college in you, son, and learn how to actually form complete, coherent thoughts.

Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 27, 2013 - 10:45pm PT
Different mindset in Canada. Any law-abiding Canadian who wants a gun can get one. Their gun violence rates are lower partly because fewer Canadians want guns, and even fewer feel the need to use one.
jghedge

climber
Mar 27, 2013 - 10:57pm PT
"Any law-abiding Canadian who wants a gun can get one."

But they're different genetically, so they're less violent.

Got it.


You know, colleges do have lower admission standards these days...you might be in luck
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Mar 27, 2013 - 11:20pm PT
I gotta give it to Hedge for endurance. I left the computer for 9 hours to go hiking, bouldering, and a Yoga class followed by dinner with my beautiful wife. So I come back to take a peek, and he's been here the whole time.

FACT: That is unreal. Credit where credit is due, the guy sticks to his guns! Oh wait, that can't be right...
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 27, 2013 - 11:40pm PT
Their gun violence rates are lower ALMOST CERTAINLY because...

of lower population densities.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Mar 28, 2013 - 06:56am PT
America's just more violent. Any way you want to measure it. And we should be. It's in our genetics.

Did you really say that Chaz? Did you say it with a straight face?
"And we should be".
WTF! Did the genome project Map an American violence gene? Really?
Well then that explains it. Nothing can be done about because as Chaz says"It's in our genetics".
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 28, 2013 - 09:09am PT
He may have a point Philo. Just look at this thread- insults, attacks name calling.. All displayed rather frequntly by some here. They even share their dream of apache helos cutting down US citizens because they dont think the way he does. Fairly Violent outlook there eh? And that from an anti-gun nut. We have hollyweird actors flipping the bird to the masses because they dont think like him..

So confrontation and violence are quite deep seated. Has been that way for people here since the Native Americans, which were expert at violence slavery and other confrontational aspects..
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Mar 28, 2013 - 09:27am PT
Violence is genetic sheesh! It shows the mentality of those on the right! If anything violence is in our culture, and that's exactly what this thread should be about trying to change that.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 28, 2013 - 09:31am PT
Yeah, it is confrontational when a comedian does it... but when the POTUS does it I suppose it is classy?



I suppose yelling out "YOU LIE" during a congressional address is just honest and open debate, too?



If anything violence is in our culture, and that's exactly what this thread should be about trying to change that.

Or at least reducing the availability of lethal tools used to express that violence.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 28, 2013 - 09:45am PT
Our culture?? Really what about the rest of the world.. Are they not violent in the ME,, Asia,, Europe?? The central and south American countries are at the top of the violence chart. Do you remember a time where a war wasnt being fought somewhere? QWe are sinmply the alpha predatrs of the planet.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 28, 2013 - 09:47am PT
Oh for fuk sakes Ron... of course other people are violent all over the world... that is what makes the "violence is in our genes" comment so fuking stoopid...


BUT

THEY

DON'T

HAVE

AS

EASY

ACCESS

TO

FIREARMS!!!!

This is fun:
http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2013-03-27/news/fl-boynton-road-rage-20130327_1_road-rage-incident-west-boynton-man-road-rage-incidents
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 28, 2013 - 09:57am PT
If you make legal access to firearms too hard, you'll end up making it much easier to get a gun.

Prohibition ALWAYS creates black markets.

The Black Market doesn't do background checks, or check I.D.s, or enforce *waiting periods*. No. The Black Market delivers right to your house, with just a phone call. Only question asked is "you have cash"?

Think through your plan again, Weschrist, and this time take The Law Of Unintended Consequences into consideration.
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