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jghedge

climber
Mar 27, 2013 - 11:51am PT
Heston did march with MLK in the 60's, which of course alienated the same crowd that Carrey is alienating now

Also served in the Aleutians in WW2 - no combat, but not as fun as hanging out in H'wood either

Also did some great movies, Ben Hur and Planet of the Apes among them

But he was wrong about guns, of course, and maybe the same ideology that led him to march with MLK would recognize 12,000 gun murders a year as a civil rights issue too - which, of course, it is.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 27, 2013 - 12:12pm PT
Heston also supported the gun control act of 1968.

And supported Goldwater, who opposed the civil rights act.

Never met the guy, but Carrey's skit was the funniest thing I've seen him do since Dumb and Dumber.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Mar 27, 2013 - 01:56pm PT
The Carey video which Hedge was having orgasms over is stupid and pointless. He ridicules rural Americans, but if he wanted to actually shine a light on gun violence he should have used rap music and gang bangers. Oh wait, then there would have been non-whites looking bad in the clip, and we can't have that can we? Then he ridicules Heston, a man who put his celebrity on the line for the cause of civil rights at a time when this did not come without risk.

And regarding Barry Goldwater and civil rights, as usual the truth is more complex than the sound bite version.

"... He got himself into political hot water, however, with his opposition to legislation that would eventually turn into the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Goldwater was a passionate Constitutionalist, who had supported the NAACP and had backed previous versions of civil rights legislation, but he opposed the 1964 bill because he believed it violated states’ rights to self-govern. His opposition earned him political support from conservative southern Democrats, but he was detested as a “racist” by many blacks and minorities."

Sucks to stand by your principles, doesn't it.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Mar 27, 2013 - 02:00pm PT
Yeah, I'm sure those "rural Americans" are really butt-hurt over an obscure Jim Carey video.

Why is it that political conservatives have such a hard time enjoying some clever satire?

BTW, there's plenty of stuff out there that mocks urban/black gun violence:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106880/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

And then there's Chapelle's show...
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 27, 2013 - 02:09pm PT
Dave,, bagging on dead folks while insulting the living isnt clever satire, at least where i come from.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Mar 27, 2013 - 02:12pm PT
What's up Dave, do you have some sort of link set up so on the rare occasion that I post you get a notice? It's kind of like having a stalker..;-)
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 27, 2013 - 02:15pm PT
I wonder if careys security guard has turned in his gun???

I guess, since his career has been a real "nowhere man- sittin in his nowhere land" - abusing a century old dick joke about guns and gun owners was the best he could do. I pity the fool.


edit: And Dave, YES rural America is paying attention and getting pro-active. That is the EXACT reason the assualt weapons ban failed consideration. The silent other majority has been awakened.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Mar 27, 2013 - 02:20pm PT
Kris,

It's not personal, but IMO your posts have a tendency to present "facts" in a way that suggests some credibility, when there is little to back them up.

I don't agree with Ron's posts either, but I don't think there's any chance that anybody would actually believe his claims.

It does amaze me how the conservative angle often seems to be based on selective outrage.

Suddenly it's wrong to criticize prominent political figures after they are dead ?

I hope nobody says anything negative about Hitler. That would be unfair.

monolith

climber
SF bay area
Mar 27, 2013 - 02:21pm PT
Anderson wants us to live by his rules of political correctness.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 27, 2013 - 02:24pm PT
Sucks to stand by your principles, doesn't it.

Only when your principles include allowing states to continue discrimination.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Mar 27, 2013 - 02:47pm PT
It does amaze me how the conservative angle often seems to be based on selective outrage.

Wow. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Oh shoot, I said black. Am I a racist? Oh sh#t, I said shoot. Am I a gun nut?

Suddenly it's wrong to criticize prominent political figures after they are dead ?

I hope nobody says anything negative about Hitler. That would be unfair.

Reduction to the absurd. Heston did his best to stand for what he thought was great about America, and stood proudly against racial discrimination. You are free to disagree with him about guns, but Carey, in his ridicule, has offended a lot of people. And comparing Heston to Hitler? Please.

Only when your principles include allowing states to continue discrimination.

Goldwater thought that the Civil Rights Act went beyond Federal powers in the constitution. I, personally, have a hard time finding the rightness of his position. However, he took this position while at the same time advocating for the cause of the NAACP and the civil rights cause. The complexity of his position and the apparent contradiction was too much for people to process, and still is it seems.

jghedge

climber
Mar 27, 2013 - 02:58pm PT
"I wonder if careys security guard has turned in his gun???"


Jim Carrey needs armed security????? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Rong - where on earth did you get this idiotic notion that celebrities have armed security, or any security for that matter?

Usually they're just driving around in their cars by themselves - you do understand that, correct?

I've worked on movie sets and music vids with some of the biggest in music and movies - at most there's a chauffeur, maybe a bodyguard or 2, but no one's armed. You really think private security is going to start shooting people? Any examples of that actually happening?

I did the Paul McCartney iTunes webcast last year at Capitol Records - McCartney showed up for both days, driving himself in a convertible Corvette with the top down. No security, no entourage, nothing. Worth half a billion, and had his bandmate murdered by a gun nut. No sane person wants to live their life with armed security tagging along.

You really haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about - you're just an insane idiot, projecting your idiotic, paranoid-delusional bubble onto the real adult world.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 27, 2013 - 03:05pm PT
Goldwater thought that the Civil Rights Act went beyond Federal powers in the constitution.

You mean the part of the Constitution that says....

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

...

The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

I can see how he might get that idea... it is a little arbitrarily worded... haha.

The complexity of his position and the apparent contradiction was too much for people to process, and still is it seems.

He was a politician who clearly twisted whatever he could in an attempt to get votes. I find it funny that conservatives don't hesitate to paint their folks as "complex" and somehow beyond our comprehension (hahaha) when they do it, but flip-floppers/etc when liberals do it.

Wake up! They are all politicians. You want to call Dems out on their apparent contradictions, you should be willing to call conservatives (yes, even dead conservatives) out on their similar bullsh#t. Otherwise you are a silly hypocrite.

Luckily the Merkin people saw through the bullshit and voted appropriately.
jghedge

climber
Mar 27, 2013 - 03:11pm PT
"And comparing Heston to Hitler? Please."

And pretending that anyone did? Please.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Mar 27, 2013 - 03:17pm PT
And pretending that Paul McCartney doesn't use private security? Looks to me like he spends million on it. For that kind of dough they had better be armed.

http://www.scotsman.com/business/interview-mark-hamilton-security-adviser-to-paul-mccartney-1-1354519

MeChrist you skipped the part where I said I have a hard time finding the rightness of his position.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 27, 2013 - 03:18pm PT
K, I'm not talking about you... I never was... I'm talking about Goldwater. It isn't all about you...jeesh!

:)
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Mar 27, 2013 - 03:20pm PT
K, I'm not talking about you... I never was... I'm talking about Goldwater. It isn't all about you...jeesh!

...You want to call Dems out on their apparent contradictions, you should be willing to call conservatives (yes, even dead conservatives) out on their similar bullsh#t. Otherwise you are a silly hypocrite.

Okay then. Somehow I got the wrong idea. Cheers..:-)
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 27, 2013 - 03:23pm PT
Sorry, I was using the plural form of "you" referring to all conservatives. I'm in one of those hazy stream of consciousness states and things are coming out unparsed. It isn't the first time I have heard conservative views painted as just too complex for "us" to understand.

I guess I should have used "yous" or "yall."
jghedge

climber
Mar 27, 2013 - 03:35pm PT
"And pretending that Paul McCartney doesn't use private security?"

Hahahaha, hey dummy.

I was there, you weren't

2 days at Capitol Records last year

He drove up both days in a convertible Corvette, top down, in sunglasses and a baseball cap.


By himself. Driving the car himself.


Oh, but Jim Carrey needs armed bodyguards...


Hahahahahaha...pathetic.





mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 27, 2013 - 03:39pm PT
He might now...
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