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hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Apr 5, 2013 - 03:40pm PT
kinda fun riding the tube there huh? loved the double deck buses. The high population density was a bit much for me though. The kids i went to school with were shocked i knew how to shoot, but they all seemed to think i lived in the wild west. course i thought they were all a bunch of pompous limeys.

sure was fun getn to ACTUALLY know eachother and dispell such heinous preconceptions.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 5, 2013 - 03:54pm PT
Here Mono some NV facts..


THE FOCUS
Nevada’s illegal immigration crisis is among the worst in the nation. Recent studies show Nevada with the highest percentage of illegal immigrants and illegal workers. With one of the highest unemployment rates in the nation, many Nevadans are unable to find jobs in manual labor, where illegal immigrants win the competition among employers paying low wages. Rather than enforcing immigration laws, President Obama’s proposed Dream Act would grant amnesty to millions of immigrants who entered the U.S. illegally, while millions of legal immigrants wait for years to earn citizenship and Americans struggle to find work.
THE FACTS
The nest cost of illegal immigration to the American taxpayer is approximately $100 billion.
Source: F.A.I.R.

Education for the children of illegal aliens represents the single largest public expenditure at an annual cost of $52 billion. Nearly all of that cost is absorbed by state and local governments.
Source: F.A.I.R.

The large population of illegal aliens is straining the state’s health care and criminal justice infrastructure. Eighteen percent of Clark County residents do not have health insurance and rely on the valley’s crowded emergency room for routine care; health officials note many are illegal aliens.
Source: F.A.I.R.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 5, 2013 - 04:03pm PT
Ron said:

Local LEOS can NOT touch them due to a severe misuse of the constitution and terminology due to political correctness.

After three years of law school, I thought I was pretty damn good on the Constitution.

I am not aware of any "severe misuse of the constitution" or any "terminology due to political correctness?


Ron, please elaborate further on both your points and especially on the misuse of the constitution

specifically what part, what amendment of constitution is being misused severely?

thanks
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 5, 2013 - 04:08pm PT
just an opinion Norton,, but if you have a throng of illegal invading people, they should in now way be entitled to anything other than the Geneva convention. They call ME people they catch here terrorists, They will drone citizens turned terrorist overseas,, yet lovely types like M S 13 are free to exists here KNOWN to LEOs.. That im my opinion, is 100 % hog wash.

Part of your tax dollars just flew over the shop on routine patrols here now thanks to much the same non sense. So now we have a little "Fed" war here of sorts, over illegal people, here illegally, doing illegal things and even advertising that fact with cute tattoos and colors. They have driven our homicide rates up which is skewed at best since they ARENT citizens, nor part of this country. They are known only for illegal activities, and if that isnt a good description of an enemy combatant then none are. And my Mexican buddies agree with me. The kids of parent that fought long and hard through all the hoops to get here legally and proud to be American.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 5, 2013 - 04:26pm PT
Ranchers and farmers LOVE the ground hog hunters and the hog hunters these days as that is the only control on extremely destructive species such as those.

Because they done shot all the coyotes. You'd think people who "live on the land" like that would get a clue... EVENTUALLY. But they don't.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 5, 2013 - 04:30pm PT
jeezersRice wes... You THINK a coyote is gonna TOUCH a wild boar? BE it a boar or a sow? Maybe after its been dead for eight hours lol! Wild hogs are MEAN in a way like the cape buffalo or hippo is. Ive seen em charge guys on quads and damm near get em! They would stomp a dog into the dirt like so many acorns.
One giant hog took six rounds from a 44 mag until the guy finally hit something VITAL as it charged him, fell dead about six feet away on the last shot. The shield of cartlidge on their chest is four inches thick.
frank wyman

Mountain climber
montana
Apr 5, 2013 - 04:35pm PT
Jeezzs..Ron...Who are you going to believe?..."GOOGLEGUY"...or your own "LYING EYES"?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 5, 2013 - 04:39pm PT
"Googleguy" -Baahahaaaa! GUD one Frank! Hows the ol saying go,,, great googily moogily.




Credit: Ron Anderson

Yo wes,, ^^ that is a wild boar.. They grow that big just about everywhere they now roam. If you see one, i dont advise running up and hassling it.

It will outweigh you be several hundred pounds and out run you in the thick. Coyotes walk WAY around these.. As to not disturb them..Cuz coyotes aint karazee ya know...
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 5, 2013 - 05:09pm PT
So now we have a little "Fed" war here of sorts, over illegal people, here illegally, doing illegal things and even advertising that fact with cute tattoos and colors. They have driven our homicide rates up which is skewed at best since they ARENT citizens, nor part of this country. They are known only for illegal activities, and if that isnt a good description of an enemy combatant then none are

yes, I do understand from your many postings that you have a terrible illegals problem there

I suppose you can at the very least be thankful that the "feds" ARE enjoined with the local law enforcement to help find them and arrest them, I sure you agree with that

but getting back to my question:
I know it is just your opinion as you say, but again what part of the US constitution is being disused, or not enforced, or whatever it is you say about the Constitution?

and again, please explain what you meant by "political correctness" language somehow hampering enforcement, what language and who is saying it and how is this stopping enforcement?

yes I know everything you said is your opinion but opinions are based on truths, facts, on knowledge, and I would like to know what you are talking about, my questions?

thanks Ron
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Apr 5, 2013 - 05:11pm PT
hedge, ever been to france? you,d fit right in.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 5, 2013 - 05:18pm PT
Norton the Constitution now protects these illegals here. You know very well the amendments concerned. And further, the feds have standing policies issued by the obama admin that allow them to be here illegally as well and you know those as well- ive mentioned them many times previously.
The local LEOS can only tally the number of gang bangers here. They are not arrested, collected, or anything else UNTIL they are finally caught committing crimes. Bandaid on a dry scab is what that is.
These gangs represent the MOST MURDEROUS in gang history. Responsible for nightly shootings across the country. They massing as a gang or army, committing serious crime and homicides or killings, have all the factors of an invading army and as such should not have Constitutional consideration. They should be treated as invading armies and enemies of the country. Just like the ME types they arrested here and hauled off to gitmo. Well over 400K of them here now..
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Apr 5, 2013 - 05:18pm PT
Few people really believe in the Constitution. They prefer to pick and choose, upholding the 2nd while trashing the 1st, or trashing the 2nd then suing to remove "under god".
But i suppose the devil is in the interpretation, isn,t it?

And that,s why we have the supreme court. And in gun law, they,ve ruled- individual right with reasonable restriction. Now what was that again about justification?
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Apr 5, 2013 - 05:22pm PT
whoa, you didnt just advocate the arrest of someone prior to committing a crime there did you ron?
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Apr 5, 2013 - 05:25pm PT
Because crime rate is a proven function of population density, and the UK is much more densely populated than we are.

And the fact that the crime rate is higher, yet gun murders are practically non-existent, refutes the gun nut paranoia that a gun black-market arming the criminals would result in mayhem.

Uhh... exactly my point. There are MANY metrics that go into crime rates of all sorts, including murders. So, the refutation you are talking about is actually making the opposite argument you claim it is.

You keep touting the 12,000 murder each year in the US, but you know that's not an accurate number. There are about 12,000 homicides, but that includes accidents, suicides, and actual murder. The actual murder figures are far, far lower than 12,000... probably more like 1/3 of that. And the vast, vast majority of those remaining murders are gang-related. In fact, we already HAVE a huge black market of guns that arm these gangs. The majority of these gang members could not walk into any store and buy a gun legally. So, the "mayhem" we do see is a demonstrable function OF the black market we have in guns. And that market would largely dry up if we got control of the GANG problem in this country.

By contrast, the UK doesn't have anything approaching the gang problem we have here, because they don't tolerate that crap under the rubric of "free speech." Unlike here, in the UK gangs don't flaunt their power.

In the USA, a tiny minority of the gun-holding population misuse their weapons. They are an identifiable minority, and we COULD get them under control if we had the will to do so.

(One big first step would be to legalize drugs. We could dry up most of the drug black market, drying up most of gangs' cash flow, and then devote the VAST resources we spend on the futile and utterly failed "war on drugs" into an actually successful war on gangs.)

And at that point, you'd see more like hundreds of gun-involved murders rather than thousands.

So, the whole "black market" argument is a red herring (on both sides of the debate), because, as always, the actual causality is much more subtle than either side wants to cope with. But we have a GANG problem in the US rather than a GUN problem.

Of course, you'll then say that even hundreds of murders is outrageous, and you'd compare that to the UK again, saying how out of proportion even hundreds of murders would be. After all, compare hundreds to 35! It's a "no brainer" that making guns harder to get would reduce that figure even more! Right?

But the real contrast should be how outrageous it is that there are ANY gun-related murders in the UK, when guns are illegal there, compared to the proportionally few in the USA where there are hundreds of millions of guns in circulation, and more people own guns in the US than the entire population of the UK. I mean, you can't even GET guns in the UK, right? Yet somehow hundreds of shootings and about 35 killings are still caused by guns. It's outrageous! Why can't they completely shut that crap DOWN???

Your responses so far just make my point all over again that you are cherry-picking numbers to make a very superficial and simplistic anti-gun point, when the actual reality is much more complex and involves a LOT more factors than gun-availability.

The sheer numbers of guns in the US, coupled with how easily available they ARE in fact makes the opposite case you would like, namely that our ACTUAL murder rate is amazing LOW compared to what you would expect in a "gun culture."

Solve the GANG problem in the US, and you largely solve the gun-related murder problem in the US. Solve the GANG problem here, and you'll bring other gun-related murders down into line with the per-capita rates in other countries such as the UK. And meanwhile, our total crime rate is a TINY fraction of theirs.

I'd still rather live here!
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 5, 2013 - 05:26pm PT
HR,,,They already have. Identifying yourself as a member of a murderous criminal gang.. Much like ohwwww,, a Squad of N Koreans parachuting into the school yard BAAAHAHA! They are and have been identified. MOST are here illegally to begin with. Therefore are subject to the laws, just like you and me right??

If we were caught illegally in mexico and known to be a criminal element, do you think we would be left to roam the streets? (snicker)
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 5, 2013 - 05:37pm PT
Norton the Constitution now protects these illegals here. You know very well the amendments concerned. And further, the feds have standing policies issued by the obama admin that allow them to be here illegally as well and you know those as well- ive mentioned them many times previously.

Ron, again, I am pretty damn good on the Constitution from my law school days


I honestly don't know what you are talking about

for the third time, please state the section or amendment language that you are referring to

and now you throw out a new "fact", that the Obama Administration has issued "standing policies" that actually allow illegals to be here illegally

as President Obama has both greatly increased border funding, greatly increased border arrests, and also greatly increased deportation over any other President in US history, I honestly don't know what your "opinion" is fact base upon

can we try it again, please be specific, show the constitution language, political correctness "terminology" hurting enforcement, and also this new charge of yours regarding the President's new "standing orders", sources please

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 5, 2013 - 05:40pm PT
Norton the 2nd amendment is the premise mmmk?


And as for deportations, tell me why there have been none in the 900 some gang members KNOWN by leos here. At least until they are caught in a crime, then they are sent to jail to be "fed" by you and me. ( dig that pun!)
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Apr 5, 2013 - 05:41pm PT

as President Obama has both greatly increased border funding, greatly increased border arrests, and also greatly increased deportation over any other President in US history, I honestly don't know what your "opinion" is fact base upon

LOL! hahah!

first thing i think about is the "Fast and furious"...

don't forget about all those ponga boats full of refugees coming from encinada

Credit: pyro
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 5, 2013 - 05:46pm PT
The Feds put "aid stations" out in the canyons below Tuscon right now. Water, first aid kits blankets etc etc. All for the Illegal immigrants. They close off canyons due to being too dangerous due to illegals and smuggling activities as my brother found out the closing weekend of quail season.. A spot where a Veteran of thirty years went to hunt his game on US lands- could not access it due to govt orders from the US border patrol. Seems only illegal smugglers were allowed. My brother offered to collect them for them as he was equipped both long and short range means. They still refused him entrance to Federally owned lands..When asked how come THEY werent up in the canyon flushing them out, no answer was given. Just another, sorry sir, we cant allow you up there. And is ISNT too far from the Stronghold!
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 5, 2013 - 05:50pm PT
The Feds put "aid stations" out in the canyons below Tuscon right now. Water, first aid kits blankets etc etc. All for the Illegal immigrants.

Says who?
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