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jghedge

climber
Mar 22, 2013 - 05:15pm PT
"It will be down to shotguns or paintball....your pick."


And rock salt only for the shotguns...

Nice!


philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Mar 22, 2013 - 08:26pm PT

Two Teenage Boys Arrested in Georgia Baby Shooting Death
By LAUREN EFFRON | ABC News 3 hrs ago


Two teenage suspects, one as young as 14, have been arrested in the shooting death of a 1-year-old Georgia boy, who was killed as his mother pushed him in a stroller, police announced today.
Chief Tobe Green of the Brunswick Police Department said that Demarquis Elkins, 17, and a 14-year-old unidentified suspect whose name has been withheld because of his age, were arrested early this morning in connection with the baby's death, and both have been charged with first-degree murder.
"We are still investigating the motive, but we are trying to turn every stone to make sure we get a motive," Green said.
Green declined to provide further details, other than to say it continued to be an open investigation, and that no weapon had yet been recovered.
Under Georgia law, Elkins is considered an adult, Green said, but the younger suspect is considered a minor.
"We are still following up on leads from our witnesses and are still involved in collecting evidence," Green said. Search warrants had been issued at three locations near Brunswick, which has a population of about 15,500 people.
Brunswick police, along with a SWAT team and various agencies, had launched a vast manhunt across the Glynn County area in search of the two teenage suspects after the shooting on Thursday morning.
Sherry West, the 41-year-old mother of the child, told police she'd been walking her 13-month-old son, Antonio, in a stroller Thursday morning through their Brunswick, Ga., neighborhood when two African-American boys approached her and demanded money. When she told them she didn't have any money, West said one of the boys pulled out a handgun.
"He said, 'I'm going to kill you if you don't give me money,' and I said, 'I swear I don't have any,"' West told WAWS-TV in Jacksonville, Fla.
West said she tried to shield her child with her arms, but the gunman shoved her and shot the baby in the head. West was shot in the leg.
Going on West's description, police said they began looking for two African-American boys between the ages of 10 and 15 years old since Thursday. No details about how the suspects were arrested were given.
Officer Todd Rhodes, a spokesman for the Brunswick Police Department, confirmed that the weapon used in the shooting was a handgun but declined to describe it further.
Since the shooting, police said 30 different leads had been called into the Brunswick Police Department and the Glynn County Police Department, or were submitted through email. Police said the Glynn County School Board Campus Police had been assisting law enforcement in combing school attendance records for leads.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 22, 2013 - 08:34pm PT
Too bad there's no more death penalty for crimes committed by juviniles.





This piece of sh#t, however, is 18 - which makes him an adult for legal purposes, and he'll know the exact day and time of his own death far in advance because Georgia is one of those states who doesn't f--k around with the death penalty.



I doubt he lives to see thirty.

Old enough to have earned himself a seat in the Electric Chair, but not old enough to legally possess the handgun he used in the murder. See ya!
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Mar 22, 2013 - 09:05pm PT
The weird backstory is the same women whose infant was killed, also lost her 18 year old son in 2008. He tried to ambush another teen, but the other teen took the knife away and killed him. No charges, self defense.

http://www.sfgate.com/news/crime/article/Police-arrest-2-teens-in-Georgia-baby-s-killing-4375946.php

Chaz posts the mug shot to clue us in on what he thinks killers generally look like.
jghedge

climber
Mar 22, 2013 - 09:08pm PT
"Too bad there's no more death penalty for crimes committed by juveniles."


Too bad we're the only developed nation where stuff like this is a daily occurrence.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 22, 2013 - 09:43pm PT
Monolith writes:

"Chaz posts the mug shot to clue us in on what he thinks killers generally look like."



Black-hair-brown-eyes is consistent with a majority of suspect descriptions in murder cases.

I wish it were different.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Mar 22, 2013 - 09:48pm PT
Chaz....what would be the physical description of the vast majority of the mass murderers and serial killlers in America? Male and white would fill the bill nicely.

Yes the death penalty.....revenge feels good but every First World Country, save one, has rejected the death penalty as archaic, barbaric and ineffective.
jghedge

climber
Mar 22, 2013 - 09:52pm PT
"I wish it were different."


Just not enough to admit the truth.

And please explain how a mother pushing a carriage is supposed to defend against this - open fire before they do?

WHY do you idiots not understand reality?

WHY do you insist that your idiotic, gun-fantasy world bubble is the only way?

Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 22, 2013 - 10:14pm PT
jghedge writes:

"WHY do you insist that your idiotic, gun-fantasy world bubble is the only way?"




No tool works for every job. You tell me how a #3 Camalot would have made a difference. Even if I were carrying a concealed pistol, I wouldn't try to pull it on someone who has the drop on me ( unless maybe I had him convinced I was reaching for my cash ).
jghedge

climber
Mar 22, 2013 - 10:18pm PT
"Even if I were carrying a concealed pistol, I wouldn't try to pull it on someone who has the drop on me ( unless maybe I had him convinced I was reaching for my cash )."


So, again - why do you nuts insist that being armed is the only way?

What right do you have to complain about babies getting shot when you advocate arming the killer?
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 22, 2013 - 10:26pm PT
jghedge writes:

"So, again - why do you nuts insist that being armed is the only way?"



You're not seeing the whole picture.

Simply being armed isn't an end-all. Being armed is only one component of self-defense. One of many components.
jghedge

climber
Mar 22, 2013 - 10:31pm PT
"Being armed is only one component of self-defense. One of many components."


How would a mother pushing a carriage have defended against this?

And if being armed is a component of self-defense, then why do we have 12,000 gun murders a year, when we have the highest gun-ownership per capita rate on the planet?

And if being armed is a component of self-defense, then why do countries that have outlawed guns have virtually no gun murders?


And I would think that looking at gun murder rates in peer countries, as I do, is, quite literally, "seeing the big picture".



Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 22, 2013 - 10:35pm PT
If you ever had to defend your life in an actual for real fight, would you rather be armed? Or un-armed?

By the way, when was the last time you were in a violent fight? Ever once?
jghedge

climber
Mar 22, 2013 - 10:47pm PT
"If you ever had to defend your life in an actual for real fight, would you rather be armed? Or un-armed?"


Why respond with hypotheticals when asked to respond with facts?

And why do you think being armed keeps you safe, when we have a gun murder rate 20 times higher than comparable countries?

We have 300 million guns, which means no one, according to you, should be getting shot, since more guns = more safety, right?

Yet comparable countries that have outlawed guns have virtually no gun murders.


Get it? In the countries where guns are outlawed, virtually no one's getting shot.


That is the truth that you can't handle.



Try explaining that, instead of asking my about your fantasy-based hypotheticals.




Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 22, 2013 - 10:59pm PT
When was the last time you were in a violent fight?

P.J. O'Rourke put it best:

"you'd be crazy not to have a gun. Though, I assure you, all the crazy people have guns, too"

Works for me.
jghedge

climber
Mar 22, 2013 - 11:11pm PT
"When was the last time you were in a violent fight?"


The kid whose picture you posted had probably been in violent fights. Should he have been armed?

And again, if being armed is a component of self-defense, then why do we have 12,000 gun murders a year, when we have the highest per capita gun ownership in the world?

And why do the countries comparable to the US, where guns are outlawed, have the least gun murders?

Do you understand what the term "demonstrably false" means?


Guess what - if someone wants to shoot you, they're just going to walk up to you and do it. You having a gun won't matter. You know this is true. The best sniper in the US Army was shot to death a week few weeks ago - ON A GUN RANGE. HE WAS ARMED AT THE TIME.





Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 22, 2013 - 11:15pm PT
jghedge writes:

"And why do the countries comparable to the US, where guns are outlawed, have the least gun murders?"



Like Mexico? How do you explain all the gun murders in Mexico? They have really strict gun laws.
jghedge

climber
Mar 22, 2013 - 11:23pm PT
"Like Mexico? How do you explain all the gun murders in Mexico? They have really strict gun laws."

sigh...

These are the countries most comparable to the US. They're called "industrialized democracies". The VAST MAJORITY of Mexico isn't industrialized, or even a democracy anymore. It's run by drug cartels. Our own state dept has travel advisories against going to most of it. Please list what parts of the US, or any of the countries listed below, have travel advisories.

Australia
Austria
Belgium
Canada
Croatia
Czech Republic
Denmark
Estonia
Finland
France
Germany
Greece
Hungary
Ireland
Israel
Italy
Japan
Korea (South)
Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
Poland
Portugal
Slovakia
Slovenia
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
Trinidad and Tobago
Taiwan
United Kingdom

These are the countries we're most comparable to. NOT MEXICO.

We had 12,000 gun murders last year. The country on this list that comes in second to the US is Switzerland.



THEY HAD 52


IS ANY OF THIS GETTING THROUGH TO YOU


NO SANE INDUSTRIALIZED DEMOCRACY WOULD TOLERATE 1000 GUN MURDERS A MONTH!!!!



moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Mar 22, 2013 - 11:28pm PT
Guns

Death penalty

Are we PROUD?

I am ASHAMED.

Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 22, 2013 - 11:29pm PT
Where I live, here in SoCal, we're a hell of a lot more like Mexico than any of the countries on your list. Therefore, if we adopt Mexican-style gun laws here, we'll get Mexico-style results. It's not a chance an intelligent person would want to take.
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