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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 4, 2013 - 01:36pm PT
So to those who would trash the 2nd amendment ---would you also trash the First, and others? How about the 4th? Gonna "trim" that one too? Consider batshyt crazies like fienstien, or bloomerburg. And I HOPE you all see how the 2nd ties in with other ammendments.

The Makers of the Constitution saw far into the future. They warned us specifically that govt would get out of control and would have to be stopped and re-built. They knew that back then and they were 100% right. Is the GOVT acting in the best interests finnancing both sides of war in the ME? Does ANYONE HERE agree with what has gone on there for the last thirty years? I sure as hell dont, and i dont want those same bafoons gaining ANY more power over me than they already have. thats NOT how the sytem was meant to be.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 4, 2013 - 01:39pm PT
Read this slowly, over and over and over if you have to, until you "get it"


Legislation restricting gun sales DOES ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to infringe on your RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS.


ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.


The Makers of the Constitution saw far into the future.

Yes, they were smart... smart enough to ensure the RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS

NOT the right to purchase a couple guns a week when you feel like it with minimal inconvenience.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Apr 4, 2013 - 01:41pm PT
There was a good segment on Democracy Now re the NRA. Some guy was saying even the gun manufacturers have to toe the line and that the NRA almost put Smith & Wesson out of business for implementing some voluntary controls!

What a bizarre organization, I can't believe that people who advocate for easy criminal access to guns and armed guards and bullet proof glass in elementary schools have a national presence. I hope Bloomberg crushes them when he's done being mayor of NYC.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 4, 2013 - 01:50pm PT
do you THINK for one second, that more legislation-redundant for the most will have any bearing on those ill sickos outside the law? What they are really fighting for is a fed registry, which through cyber sections in the NDAA 2013 debocle- they already have by access of computers for any reason they deem worthy.

Its no business of mine to know what any law abiding citizen has in guns, under wear or how many shoes they own. My record is squeaky clean so its none ones business what i own either. The freedoms you give up today, will be increased upon down a short road. My Uncles,, Grandparents, great great grandparents and cousins , brothers and self did not serve the country only to have what we served FOR taken away.





edit: Meanwhile in CONN,, the gun stores are being swamped upon by citizens of CONN to buy ,,,,GUNS, Guns of ALL TYPES. And i can only imagine a surge of lost revenues when the GUN MAKERS in that state leave for greener pastures. I hope they consider Nevada.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 4, 2013 - 01:59pm PT
do you THINK for one second, that more legislation-redundant for the most will have any bearing on those ill sickos outside the law?

Well, moran, since most guns used in crimes are obtained through straw purchases... YES.

Who needs 2 guns a week?

Why NOT check the mental health and past purchases of someone before selling them a killing machine?



Oh, right, because the government is going to take over... blahblahblah.

Jesus Christ! Thank god gun nuts are out numbered.

Your right to KEEP AND BEAR arms will remain intact. There WILL be stricter regulations regarding gun sales and the types of guns you can own. Deal with it.



the gun stores are being swamped upon by citizens of CONN to buy ,,,,GUNS, Guns of ALL TYPES.

At inflated prices no doubt. And the gun nuts accuse others of being mindless sheep. Hahahaaa. Fuking idiots!



More idiotic ramblings of clueless gun nuts...

"When you clamp down where basically everything is restricted, it feels like you're infringing on Second Amendment rights," Shari Reilly, a Connecticut gun owner, told NBC News. She said she depends on the larger magazines to protect her family.

Basically everything? Really? Idiot.

Well, thank god FEELINGS don't make the laws honey.

"I don't train for someone who is breaking into my house. If I miss, am I stuck because you limit me to seven rounds or 10 rounds?" she added.

Uh, says above you depend on larger magazines to protect your family. Then you say you don't train for someone who is breaking into your house? Did you pass elementary school?

Listen, if you can't stop an intruder with 7 rounds, you'd be better off just calling the police anyway.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 4, 2013 - 02:10pm PT
There is legislation being introduced in many a state that will make a semi auto shotgun illegal.. Utter bullshyt UNTIL someone decides to use one of those and they too will be labeled "killing machines"..

And for the record wes,, 223 claiber guns are meant to WOUND, not kill. So the correct term would be wounding machines.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 4, 2013 - 02:14pm PT
There is legislation being introduced in many a state that will make a semi auto shotgun illegal..

Dear Mr. Gun Nut... did you not say it should be left up to the states to make their own laws? Or did you mean just the laws you agree with?

If/when it is passed, its constitutionality can be challenged... if you are not familiar with the procedure, I suggest you take a high school level civics class.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 4, 2013 - 02:19pm PT
NO state may make laws contradictory to the Constitution. All those amendments are IMPORTANT to retain any freedom what so ever. Imagine the USA without the 2nd, 4th, 1st and 10th? We wouldnt be typing this here. ALL decisions would be left to the FED cluster f*ck we call our govt. Sounds cooooool eh?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 4, 2013 - 02:21pm PT
Imagine the USA without the 2nd, 4th, 1st and 10th?

Why imagine something that ain't never going to happen? I might as well imagine a man in the sky who sent his only son to die for the sins I didn't commit 2000 years ago.


Maybe you can only hear it from your own people... from the Fux at Faux...

Gun control is completely consistent with the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. And President Obama is on target with the great American tradition of proposing gun control laws for Congressional approval as well as by issuing executive orders on gun control.

The only opinion that matters here is the Supreme Court’s opinion. And the high court has ruled, several times, that the president, the Congress, state and local government all have the power to regulate guns. The Court reaffirmed this interpretation as recently as 2008 in the landmark case, District of Columbia vs. Heller.

Even conservative Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia acknowledged this in his opinion to Heller. He wrote that the Second Amendment is “not unlimited” and is “not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.”

To be crystal clear: President Obama has the legal authority to enact gun safety measures through executive order. That is not a matter of opinion. It is a statement of fact. And there is historical precedent.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/01/16/what-everybody-needs-to-know-about-our-constitution-and-gun-control/#ixzz2PWJwgy2H


ALL decisions would be left to the FED cluster f*ck we call our govt. Sounds cooooool eh?

No. Sounds like uninformed, paranoid gibberish.
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Apr 4, 2013 - 02:48pm PT
Remember folks, those same wonderful foks who want to restrict guns today could be screaming for regulations on climbing tomorrow. It,s just a matter of how many people engage in such risky behavior, and what the public sentiment feels should be a reasonable restriction to protect us and/or the environment from those pesky bullets and bolts that are becoming so pervasive in our ultra-modern society. Remember when cell-phones in your car were legal?
Geez, next they,ll be regulating gay marriage!
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Apr 4, 2013 - 02:55pm PT
Seriously, at what point exactly DO you start shooting at the govt? I mean, I work for the state- am I at risk? ,cause ya know, bans seem stupid and ineffective to me, but universal backgrounds seem fair. Do I need to carry a gun to defend myself from my govt, or from those who see me AS the govt? Maybe I don,t need one at all- perhaps pepper spray would be sufficient to combat the drug-crazed ex,s kid who already attacked me once and later stole her guns, or his buddy i put in jail for burglary, who showed up at my house after being released...
Maybe a good dose of situational awareness is all I need?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 4, 2013 - 03:07pm PT
Seriously, at what point exactly DO you start shooting at the govt?

Obviously not a serious question.




I mean, I work for the state- am I at risk?

Yes! But more from GUN NUTS who think you are coming after their guns.

Do I need to carry a gun to defend myself from my govt, or from those who see me AS the govt?

See above.

perhaps pepper spray would be sufficient to combat the drug-crazed ex,s kid who already attacked me once and later stole her guns, or his buddy i put in jail for burglary, who showed up at my house after being released...
Maybe a good dose of situational awareness is all I need?

I'd say stick with the gun for personal protection and hope you don't have to use it. I'd also suggest not making threats towards government officials/employees and/or members of the general public and you WILL BE JUST FINE.


And "they" are not going to ban climbing any more than they are going to ban motorcycle jumping.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 4, 2013 - 03:10pm PT
Yes,

and now we once again go dancing down the Slippery Slope of Irrational Fear

smoke some reefer and you WiLL become a heroin addict they screamed in the 50s and 50s

try to pass some minor legislation on straw buyers and background checks and next the feds WILL be coming to take my guns away

this is an effective counter argument, and works very well to influence the easily gullible


hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Apr 4, 2013 - 03:16pm PT
See Auburn quarry.
Any raptor closure of your choice.
Regulations at Red Rocks, J-tree, etc.

Shooting at the govt? Absolutely a serious question, since so many believe that to be at least partially the intention of the 2nd. If its a logical intent of the 2nd, then my question should bear out a logical answer.

Yeah. some parts of my post were inflamatory. Specifically.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 4, 2013 - 03:20pm PT
In reality, nothing is worse, and in fact there is a general downward trend in homicide or gun use in crimes. And one of the factors influencing that is the hundreds of thousands of crimes thwarted by CCW holders across the country. So no we dont have to worry about "shooting it out" with the gubbmint,,YET. But if tomorrow they seek to expand,, and want to take away my eight round semi auto handgun? Or take away my semi auto shotguns? Legislation being proposed right now in NV does just that- takes away my bird hunting weapons. That is infringment of the most blatant type.


MANY politicians seek direct infringment on the 2nd amendment. If fienstien would have gotten her way, the shooting would have already started,, in Sacto. Thats the worry. Not what is being done now, because really, its pure cosmetics. 17 million 30 round mags recently purchased wont just dissapear. The worry is seeing where the extemists want to take it all. ON EITHER SIDE!



edit : And the REAL JOKE IS,,, some here actually think im an extremist! BWUUUWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Im NOTHING of the sort, not even close to a real extremist on the gun side. If you wonder why the gubbmint now prepares for wars HERE, you should seek other sites out there and youll find out.



edit: perfect example of the extremeist crap out there wes.. a pic of a drone presumably firing over American soil, at Americans. That is a fantasy of some on this very forum..
Dover

Trad climber
New England
Apr 4, 2013 - 03:28pm PT
But if tomorrow they seek to expand,, and want to take away my eight round semi auto handgun? Or take away my semi auto shotguns? Legislation being proposed right now in NV does just that- takes away my bird hunting weapons. That is infringment of the most blatant type.

You can move to Connecticut.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 4, 2013 - 03:30pm PT
NO one moves TO CONN....That would be,, well,, just silly!
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Apr 4, 2013 - 03:36pm PT
You mean like suggesting that smoking near children is worse than holding them at gun point?

Yes, actually, statistically speaking, it is worse. Demonstrably worse by more than an order of magnitude.

The fact that it's not as dramatic or proximate of a threat makes it no less a threat. It is in fact a much more serious health and welfare issue for our children than are guns, again by more than an order of magnitude.

If you need drama in order to get the point, you should watch a kid die of lung cancer. Then comfort yourself: "Well, at least the kid wasn't traumatized by a gun. Slow death by totally preventable and completely caused lung cancer at age ten is much, much better than the unspeakable horror of gun threat!"

Come on. Horrible death is horrible death. Preventable death is preventable death. Be consistent, and levy your hand-wringing where the numbers most validate it.

The fact is that a subsidized tobacco industry has at least as much sway over national policy as does the gun lobby. However, like the hundreds of thousands of totally preventable deaths caused by smoking, things are more hidden and subtle. Nothing subtle about a gun in your face! So, the thing doing more damage continues to do that damage because it lacks the requisite dramatic force. There's nothing sexy about a news item: "47 children died today in an LA hospital of lung cancer. Investigators have uncovered that every one of them lived in a home where both parents were two-pack-a-day smokers. More on this developing story at 9!"

Yup, as a country, we now make our decisions in sound-bites and drama.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 4, 2013 - 03:40pm PT
See Auburn quarry.
Any raptor closure of your choice.
Regulations at Red Rocks, J-tree, etc.

Ah, yes, I should have known... site specific restrictions based on resource protection in overcrowded areas and/or liability of a fuking choss pile... right then, anyone and everyone should be able to buy whatever guns they want, as long as they are not convicted felons.

Shooting at the govt? Absolutely a serious question, since so many believe that to be at least partially the intention of the 2nd. If its a logical intent of the 2nd, then my question should bear out a logical answer.

That is sad. I thought you were one of the more reasonable gun owners here. 226 years ago, when everyone had muzzle loaders, shooting at "the government" might actually accomplish something. Today it is as silly as using mercury to cure dementia.

In reality, nothing is worse,

...than HYPERBOLE!

and in fact there is a general downward trend in homicide or gun use in crimes.

Up, down, whatever... there are always 2 sides to the facts, right?

So no we dont have to worry about "shooting it out" with the gubbmint,,YET. But if tomorrow they seek to expand,, and want to take away my eight round semi auto handgun? Or take away my semi auto shotguns?

So now we know where your limit is. Others have different limits. Those who refuse to live within the limits set forth by GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS elected by the PEOPLE of OUR GREAT NATION become outlaws. That's how it is, that's how it has always been. You know that whole "personal responsibility" thing we keep hearing about? Well, you are personally responsible for your choices, legal or not.


The fact that it's not as dramatic or proximate of a threat makes it no less a threat. It is in fact a much more serious health and welfare issue for our children than are guns, again by more than an order of magnitude.

You do realize how easy it is to walk away from someone holding a cigarette in your face, don't you? You do realize that LEGISLATION has been VERY effective at reducing the exposure to second hand smoke, right? But somehow it won't work for guns?

Pretty sure EVERY child is exposed to anti-smoking education in school. Gun safety... nope.

I'm all for prosecuting parents who expose their kids to second hand smoke! Let's do it.
frank wyman

Mountain climber
montana
Apr 4, 2013 - 03:44pm PT
Lets imagine we are back at square one, You are writing the Constitution for a new nation. How do you specify the right to keep and bear arms and what, if any limitations do you place on it?...just wondering..
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