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Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jun 5, 2014 - 06:09pm PT
Well, Ron, I'm sure that's a huge consolation for the parents of the kid that was murdered.

What's your opinion of this, really, alarming increase in school shootings?
dirtbag

climber
Jun 5, 2014 - 06:27pm PT
Utter, intellectually lazy, bullsh#t, from the master.^^^^^^^

Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jun 5, 2014 - 06:28pm PT
Ron, is the proliferation of weapons part of that experiment?
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jun 5, 2014 - 07:05pm PT
I grew up with guns, also, Ron. I had a Savage .22 bolt action single shot as a kid.

I'll ask the question again, do you think the proliferation of weapons might be part of that experiment you wrote about?
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jun 5, 2014 - 08:09pm PT
I remember absolutely hating school... Couldn't stand it. But we didn't shoot the place up since we knew that would be suicidal and random murder wasn't high on the list. We had access to far more firepower then as kids. I had a friend who's dad collected machineguns. Real ones. Guns were often on the wall or in glass cabinets on display. Every vehicle in town had a firearm or two inside.

Families were broken then too. Parent's drank and beat their kids with no fear of DCYS then.

But there were no random killing rampages, at least nothing that made the news perhaps. Sure there were targeted murders but not this random insanity.

The only big difference I see is these drugs being pumped into people now for the simplest things. Therapy is hard, takes a long time, and is expensive. Pills are cheap, plentiful, and can have deadly behavioral side effects. So bad in fact, that they print the warnings on the black-box labels.

Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jun 5, 2014 - 08:57pm PT
has actually led to a DECREASE in violent crimes over all.

Ron,

This doesn't seem to back you up:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/map_of_the_week/2012/12/sandy_hook_a_chart_of_all_196_fatal_school_shootings_since_1980_map.html

Nor does this:
http://www.jointhefuture.org/694-us-school-shootings-data-1979-2011

Nor does this:
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/charts-half-the-deadliest-shootings-u

Then there's this:


Is there an issue here, do you think, or is this just normal and to be expected?
crankster

Trad climber
Jun 5, 2014 - 09:07pm PT
Is rather live next to the 5 Taliban released than live next to Ron. I'm sure they have less weapons.

All this NRA propaganda is sickening.
crankster

Trad climber
Jun 5, 2014 - 09:35pm PT
Hospital gown or orange jumps, Rifleman Ron of the Oaf Keepers Militia, just a matter of time.
jonnyrig

Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
Jun 5, 2014 - 10:31pm PT
Every time some f*#king idiot does something wrong with a gun i cringe a little and get really pissed, because the rest of us get the bloody finger pointed at us while being scolded as if we are somehow complacent and/or responsible for that small minority of once-legal owners who cant keep their sh#t straight, along with the criminals who never gave a sh#t about the legality of it from the start. Well f*#k them. And f*#k this guy too. And f*#k those who think i belong with that crowd simply for owning a gun. What a bunch of as#@&%es.

http://www.ktvn.com/story/25697156/safe-shot-manager-indicted-by-federal-grand-jury
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Jun 6, 2014 - 07:11am PT
Every time some f*#king idiot does something wrong with a gun i cringe a little and get really pissed, because the rest of us get the bloody finger pointed at us while being scolded as if we are somehow complacent and/or responsible for that small minority of once-legal owners who cant keep their sh#t straight, along with the criminals who never gave a sh#t about the legality of it from the start.

If you believe criminals and the mentally ill should continue have easy access to guns, you deserve to have that finger pointed at you. If you don't, please call your congressman, senator, state representatives and NRA rep and ask them to represent your views, not the views of an industry that has a business need for criminals and mentally ill to easily have guns.

TE
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jun 6, 2014 - 07:27am PT
NOT ONE person, company, or manufacturer in the industry WANTS criminals and mentally ill to have a gun,

I don't believe that. There is at least one person, company or manufacturer that will sell guns to criminals and the mentally ill. In fact there is definitely more than one.

DMT
jonnyrig

Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
Jun 6, 2014 - 07:29am PT
Criminals? Legal gun owners want criminals to have guns? Wow.

Oh, i get it. You mean the folks who object to widening background checks...

Here,s a helpful hint: get your idiot politicians to bring that kind of legislation to the table without all the other attachments like mag restrictions, ammo taxes, volume limits etc. Then maybe it will pass.

There are a lot of idiot people with guns. We could use less of that. I dont want mentally ill people or criminals to have guns.
But jesus, every time it comes up n a ballot or something the anti-gun crowd goes so far over the line they doom their own chance of success. Blind mother f*#kers, like the rest of politics.
Idiots all around.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jun 6, 2014 - 07:30am PT
No you prove it. I really don't care. But someone is selling guns to criminals and the mentally ill and it ain't me.

DMT
jonnyrig

Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
Jun 6, 2014 - 07:32am PT
Read the paper Ron. Dingus is right, there are a limited few. Thats why the anti-gun crowd wants to lock it down for everyone. Thats why you have to do so many NICS checks, and why you have turned down sales based on your own gut instinct. Those limited few as#@&%es.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jun 6, 2014 - 07:39am PT
Someone, IN THE INDUSTRY, is selling guns to criminals. Because the criminals are buying them and they don't fall off the backs of trucks, despite what the gangster movies might suggest.

Whether that makes them criminal is irrelevant.

DMT
jonnyrig

Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
Jun 6, 2014 - 07:47am PT
Irrelavent? Um, no. Totally relavent. When they cross that line you prosecute the sh#t out of them, like theyre doing with the Safe Shot owner.

Once you decide its irrelavent, you can make blanket statements and call for blanket bans and harsh restrictions since you apparently no longer differentiate between responsible owners and the minority who are not. Thats unjust to the majority of legal owners.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jun 6, 2014 - 08:11am PT
Irrelavent? Um, no. Totally relavent.

I guess you missed the point. Just because someone is a criminal doesn't mean they aren't in the gun industry by virtue of their crime. That sort of 'logic' won't fly with me. I didn't make the ridiculous claim that NO ONE in the gun industry wants to sell guns to criminals.

Face it, there are criminals in the gun industry who will sell guns to anyone. Why pretend otherwise?

Does this paint all law abiding gun industry folk a black eye?

Maybe.... maybe....

DMT
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jun 6, 2014 - 08:12am PT
Weve been rather PRO active in policing our own.. My store goes ABOVE the ATFE requirements in its back ground checks and paper work..EACH CHECK is reviewed and initialed FOUR TIMES by management.. All the way up the line.

That's a good thing and I think you also agreed its a good thing (going above and beyond the regs...)?

DMT
jstan

climber
Jun 6, 2014 - 08:37am PT
Weve been rather PRO active in policing our own.. My store goes ABOVE the ATFE requirements in its back ground checks and paper work..EACH CHECK is reviewed and initialed FOUR TIMES by management.. All the way up the line.

Initialing is supposed to mean that those signing, if found non-compliant, can and will be subject to criminal charges.

This conversation no longer consists of a discussion of the Constitution. We are making progress. We have gotten past the fake issue phase.

As a result of all the dead, charges will become common, grand juries will make their findings and jurisprudence will come into play.

Finally.
jonnyrig

Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
Jun 6, 2014 - 08:41am PT
Yeah, missed the point. Oh well. What the hell am i doing here again? Hmm...
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