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Trad climber
Truckee, CA
May 24, 2014 - 04:20pm PT
You suck.

Trad climber
May 24, 2014 - 07:45pm PT
This tragedy, courtesy of the NRA.

May 29, 2014 - 01:24pm PT


Bill would allow concerned family or friends to appeal to law enforcement for a 'gun violence
restraining order'
May 28, 2014 5:59PM ET
by Marisa Taylor @marisahtaylor

In the wake of Elliot Rodger’s gruesome killing spree on Friday in Isla Vista, California, state
lawmakers on Tuesday said they would propose legislation to create a system of gun-violence
restraining orders to prevent future massacres.

The bill would allow concerned family members or friends to notify law enforcement if they’re
concerned about a loved one’s intent to commit violence. Law enforcement would then
investigate the threat of violence and could ask a judge to approve a restraining order on that
person’s ability to purchase firearms or to keep in their possession already-owned guns.

“When someone is in crisis, the people closest to them are often the first to spot the warning
signs but almost nothing can now be done to get back their guns or prevent them from buying
more," said California state Assemblywoman Nancy Skinner, D-Berkeley, in a release. She
introduced the bill with Assemblywoman Das Williams, D-Santa Barbara.

Under current law, a therapist can notify law enforcement of a client’s intent to commit violence,
and law enforcement can investigate that individual, but a person can only be banned from
purchasing firearms if that person has been involuntarily committed to a mental health facility.

“Parents, like the mother who tried to intervene, deserve an effective tool they can act on to help
prevent these tragedies,” said Skinner. Roger's mother had contacted authorities at least twice
prior to the killings.

And California Senate President Pro Tem Darrell Steinberg told the Senate on Tuesday that he
intended to introduce a package of policy and budget proposals on Wednesday to address mental
health care, according to the Sacramento Bee.

Steinberg said the state should create protocols for law enforcement to follow when they’re called
to check on a person’s mental health, requiring officers to look into that person’s firearm
purchasing history and talk to family members and neighbors.

In April, just weeks before Rodger stabbed to death three men at his apartment and shot dead
three more as he drove around the beachside college town of Isla Vista, Rodger’s mother became
concerned when she saw a YouTube video he posted and reportedly called the police.

But Rodger staved them off when they visited his apartment and asked him if he’d had suicidal
thoughts, telling them “it was all a big misunderstanding, that his relative and this other person
had taken things the wrong way and he really wasn’t going to hurt anybody or himself,” according
to Santa Barbara county sheriff Bill Brown.

But had they searched his room, as Rodger wrote in the 141-page manifesto that he emailed to a
handful of people just before his violent rampage, the police officers might have found his three
semi-automatic guns and 400 rounds of ammunition — all legally purchased — “along with my
writings about what I plan to do with them.”

Richard Martinez — the father of Christopher Michaels-Martinez, who died in the attack — urged
students at a memorial service on the University of California, Santa Barbara campus to fight for
tougher gun laws and blamed the shooting on politicians’ inaction, according to the Associated

"They have done nothing, and that's why Chris died," Martinez said. "It's almost become a normal
thing for us to accept this."

In January, the Obama administration strengthened the federal law banning those who have been
sentenced to involuntary mental health treatment from purchasing firearms, clarifying that both
inpatient and outpatient treatment would warrant a ban on gun ownership.

President Barack Obama proposed sweeping gun control measures early in 2013 following the
mass shooting of 26 people at an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut, but legislation to
strengthen federal background checks were rejected by Congress.

Whether or not the restraining order is created, people notifying the authorities need to set out
for the police the evidence causing them to worry. I am guessing the police detailed to question
Rodgers were scheduled to interview many people that day. They don't have time to research his
videos. Had they been provided the links at the time of the complaint, I think this might
have been avoided. There could be several other good effects from this initiative.

Trad climber
The land of Fruits & Nuts!
May 29, 2014 - 03:51pm PT
Finally a bill introduced by Democrats that appears (at least on the surface) to actually make some sense. I wonder what that crooked ass crackpot Steinberg will try and attach to it that will effectively force Republicans and some Democrats to reject it?

Jun 2, 2014 - 04:10pm PT

NRA slams Texas gun group as ‘downright weird’ and ‘scary’ for rallying at restaurants with rifles

The National Rifle Association thinks Open Carry Texas has taken a law allowing rifles in public too far after backlash for bringing guns to chain restaurants like Chipotle and Starbucks. 'A small number (of Texans) have recently crossed the line from enthusiasm to downright foolishness,' the NRA said in an online posting Friday.

BY SASHA GOLDSTEIN NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Published: Monday, June 2, 2014, 5:19 PM Updated: Monday, June 2, 2014, 5:56

Brian Chrusciel of Fort Worth, Texas, poses for a portrait holding a pocket version of The Constitution of the United States and his Bushmaster AR-15 rifle, as he and members of the Open Carry Tarrant county group gathered for a demonstration on Thursday in Haltom City, Texas.
Even the National Rifle Association thinks some Texas residents are taking public gun toting too far.

The notorious gun lobby has slapped members of Open Carry Texas as “downright weird” for their insistence on bringing loaded semi-automatic rifles, including AR-15s and AK-47s, into family-friendly establishments like Chipotle and Starbucks.

The statement, released Friday, came one day before a throng of some 150 people, some armed with semi-automatic rifles and copies of the U.S. Constitution, assembled peacefully outside a Home Depot in North Richland Hills, a Dallas/Fort Worth suburb.

“We’re fundamentally changing America and changing Texas,” Mark Thompson, armed with a Beretta semi-automatic rifle during the rally Saturday, told the Dallas Morning News. “We’re letting people know they’re free.”

But the NRA, whose vice president Wayne LaPierre endorsed “a good guy with a gun” in schools and other public places shortly after the massacre at Newtown, said in a blog posting that “a small number (of Texans) have recently crossed the line from enthusiasm to downright foolishness.”

The state allows unlicensed people to openly carry rifles in public places, a law OCT has used “merely to draw attention” to themselves, the NRA said.

“Let's not mince words, not only is it rare, it's downright weird and certainly not a practical way to go normally about your business while being prepared to defend yourself,” the statement says. “To those who are not acquainted with the dubious practice of using public displays of firearms as a means to draw attention to oneself or one's cause, it can be downright scary. It makes folks who might normally be perfectly open-minded about firearms feel uncomfortable and question the motives of pro-gun advocates.”

Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America shared this photo after pushing Chipotle to make a statement about bringing armed guns into its restaurants.
Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America circulated a petition asking Chipotle to ban guns in restaurants after a rally last month at a Dallas-area restaurant spooked other customers. And Open Carry Texas demonstrations at Jack in the Box and Starbucks caused the companies to prohibit firearms from their respective establishments nationwide.

“I think they’re just a bunch of boobs,” Jon Felt, 49, told the Morning News as he watched Saturday’s demonstration. “They say they checked all these weapons. How do we know they’re empty? I don’t know who these people are.”


Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Jun 2, 2014 - 04:53pm PT
^^^...So...... yep...bmoc....pff

"and this weekend with my SS bolt action sears model 1- 22 caliber with glenfield scope, i shot a group that was 9mm round- all five connecting dead center. "

Social climber
So Cal
Jun 2, 2014 - 05:21pm PT
Were any of these mass shootings not the work of a schizoid?

How about schizoid control?

We used to have a process for that.


Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Jun 2, 2014 - 06:57pm PT
Ron, What ever...Not being able to tell the the difference between nita, and anita514....LAME!

It goes like this..A.. BCDEFG>>HIJKLM....N < .......................................................... plus the, 514.....


Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Jun 2, 2014 - 07:26pm PT
Feeble reply....



Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jun 2, 2014 - 07:26pm PT
Don't you be picking on nita, Ron. It's not her fault that the NRA thinks gun nuts are nuts.

Social climber
So Cal
Jun 2, 2014 - 08:12pm PT

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Jun 2, 2014 - 09:11pm PT
I pick on you....LOL.... haha...............weak.

No,it's more like.... I'm not afraid to call you out on your bull.

Return the volley...HA......It's Not even a contest with you..

I pick on you..LOL..I rarely talk to you...

Edit... ...for next page... hijole, mamon, still can't figure out the alphabet ..


Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
Jun 2, 2014 - 09:37pm PT
Ron, your store got one in stock with the conversion. The mags shoot about three inches higher at twenty feet, but i,ll get dialed in. I like the DeSantis pocket holster that NAA sells on their website for jeans, but not so much slacks. Meh. Its fun.
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Missing photo ID#360557

Meanwhile people in Texas act like people in CA shortly before CA banned unlicensed open carry. Brilliance at work. Sometimes its actually bad to bring the public spotlight even if you ARE within your rights. Theres a difference between legal and smart.

Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
Jun 2, 2014 - 10:12pm PT
Yep. You did. It's mine now. heh heh. Even got a box of ammo with it. ;)
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jun 3, 2014 - 07:29am PT
I need some coffee.

Where's ma gun!!!!1111111111111

Cuz I'm scairt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
Jun 3, 2014 - 07:31am PT
No no no dingus...
Its for the biscuits!

Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
Jun 3, 2014 - 08:14am PT
photo not found
Missing photo ID#360580
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jun 3, 2014 - 08:26am PT
Headed down to Home Depot, I'll be gittin my AR15 and gettin on ma way....

CUZ I GOT GUNZ!!!!!!!11111111111


Social climber
An Oil Field
Jun 3, 2014 - 08:59am PT
I love shooting 22lr. It is the only round that I can afford to go to the range and shoot 400 rounds in an afternoon.

I never had much use for handguns. I don't plan on going around shooting people. That is what handguns are for if you get down to the nitty gritty.

I can see the use of a cheapo pistol for putting down deer, but I generally put them down with a 30-06. Which is a great round.

As for 22lr ammo, I prefer the CCI Velocitor. I have a couple of boxes of CCI segmented hollow points, and that is the round I would like to NOT get shot with.

There is supposedly a problem with Stingers in Ruger 10-22's. I've shot them, and they are way loud.

Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
Jun 3, 2014 - 09:09am PT
I like the 30-06 too. Taken several deer and two elk with mine. But i keep a 357 or 44mag as backup, since once the scope came loose and twice it failed to fire due to crud in the firing mechanism. Pistols are way more convenient to hunt with in the really thick brush, at least imho. Not just for shooting people.

Dingus, you ever smoke pot?
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