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madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Apr 1, 2013 - 07:33pm PT
You failed.

Says you. LOL

Well, no more bytes on this topic. The point is made for open minds. Thank you for acting as my foil.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 1, 2013 - 07:36pm PT
The point is made for open minds.

That smoking a cigarette near someone is worse than holding them at gun point. Got it.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Apr 1, 2013 - 07:39pm PT
Hillrat is right about hoarders, but while the price is up I use some of the 100K+ that I have in my basement for barter.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 1, 2013 - 07:42pm PT
Baahahahaaa biotch!!! eye-yaint given ya .36 per .22 !!!! I let ya know when i get desperate.;-).
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Apr 1, 2013 - 07:46pm PT
What makes you think it will still be $.36 then?
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Apr 2, 2013 - 01:30am PT
Stupid ordinance, obviously. But it does raise an interesting federalism (or even state law) question- to what extent may citizens maintain a "well regulated militia"?

Could a regional group form a militia and assert a right to arm itself similarly to a modern military force? Certainly that is how it was when the constitution was written (also common were restrictions on personal use much more onerous than what we have today).

The NRA nuts and its fans get so wrapped up in doing the bidding of the gun industry-- which profits from people amassing their own personal arsenals to fight tyranny and thwart crime, but there are some big and interesting questions re the second amendment that will have to get answered at some point, and there is very little actual legal or historical scholarship.
Salamanizer

Trad climber
The land of Fruits & Nuts!
Apr 2, 2013 - 02:35am PT
WTF do you know about Civil Rights?

You're a fool.

Here, let these people educate you about "Civil Rights" and the god given rights of the "2nd Amendment".


mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 2, 2013 - 12:11pm PT
Wow, that room is PACKED. What HUGE event was that... with more people behind the podium than in the audience? A former Dallas Cowboys football player... does he have a name?... very impressive nonetheless.

Who is this god person they keep talking about? Sounds like he loves guns and has much clout... why doesn't he speak to the issue?

Sal, can you splain why their account of the founding of the NRA differs from what the NRA itself claims?


Get your panties all wound up good and tight over banning certain weapons (like grenades, bazookas, AR15, etc wherever you want to draw the arbitrary line), you may actually have a leg to stand on there, but I wouldn't bet on it. But stricter background checks, harsher penalties for straw purchasers, limiting purchases to 1 or 2 guns a year rather than a week, etc. does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to infringe on anyone's right to KEEP AND BEAR ARMS.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 2, 2013 - 01:25pm PT
400,000,000 guns ( a very low figure) equals out to .00003 % of guns out there have been used in homicides annually..
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 2, 2013 - 01:29pm PT
where did this 400 million guns figure come from?

is that like the total in both North and South America, etc?

maybe throw in the South Pacific
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 2, 2013 - 01:32pm PT
Norton a common number used is 300M guns in circulation here. THAT FIGURE is far behind the actual numbers out there. Old guns never documented are in every collection i know of personally.


.00003 % of guns in circulation have been used in homicides/suicides..But yet the gubbmint wants to penalize the REST...non-sense at its highest level.

And of course, THOSE numbers are skewed by the fact that a good portion of those homicides are comitted by NON-citizens..Invading NON-citizens should be tallied as enemy combatants and NOT citizens.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 2, 2013 - 01:45pm PT
some interesting facts


In 2009, according to the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, 66.9% of all homicides in the United States were perpetrated using a firearm.[5] There were 52,447 deliberate and 23,237 accidental non-fatal gunshot injuries in the United States during 2000.[6] Two-thirds of all gun-related deaths in the United States are suicides. In 2010, there were 19,392 firearm-related suicide deaths, and 11,078 firearm-related homicide deaths in the United States.[7]

The Congressional Research Service in 2009 estimated there were 310 million firearms in the United States, not including weapons owned by the military. 114 million of these were handguns, 110 million were rifles, and 86 million were shotguns.[12] In that same year, the Census bureau stated the population of people in America at 305,529,237.[13] Data analysis of crime gun databases showed that 70% of guns recovered at crime scenes in Virginia were purchased within one year of the crime, suggesting that in some cases guns are purchased with the intent to commit a crime or murder.[8]


Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 2, 2013 - 01:50pm PT
Yes Norton, yet those are ALL estimates. I never was called by a gun census taker, nor anyone else i know.

Undocumented guns: Black powders, antiques, or non antique but older weapons . In addition,, that same 300M number has been thrown around since Sandy hook, yet hasnt reflected one bit of the recent purchases of guns which the stores can not keep on the shelves.. So consider those estimates already behind the times.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 2, 2013 - 01:52pm PT
400,000,000 guns ( a very low figure) equals out to .00003 % of guns out there have been used in homicides annually..

400,000,000 * 0.00003% = 120 guns used in homicides annually.

I know the math is right, but the result sounds like bullshit to me... try again and show your work for full credit.

But yet the gubbmint wants to penalize the REST

How exactly are they "penalizing" the rest?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 2, 2013 - 01:56pm PT
Yes Norton, yet those are ALL estimates. I never was called by a gun census taker, nor anyone else i know.

yes Ron, of COURSE numbers are estimates, but that is the best we can do based on all reported crimes involving firearms

the fact that numbers are estimates does not mean they are not accurate, just means they are pretty good guesses since it is impossible to know the exact numbers

but I am sure you don't have any problem with those numbers anyway and neither do I, and I did not present them to support or attack anything, just thought it was interesting


anyway, it all doesn't matter does it?
maybe we will get some tougher straw buyer penalties and broader background checks, that's about it, hardly anything for anyone to object to anyway
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 2, 2013 - 02:05pm PT
Perhaps Norton. But what about the "next round"? The NDAA is stuffed full of cyber sections. Im reasonably sure they already have fine access to every gun store computer out there. Many states have their own dept of justice keeping the records as well. We have records out the wazoo. CCW, gun purchase, etc etc etc.

I still havent been told what the diff between "universal" and the current "Brady" checks is. But ive heard from those in the VA that any returning Vets with any PTSD issues could very well fall into a no go catagory for gun ownership. Sooo,, some Vet says some negative things on a forum somewhere, and the next day DHS shows up to sieze his weapons.. Could you see such things taking place?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 2, 2013 - 02:12pm PT
exuse the percentage, im working on taxes right now. But good to see yur ONTOP of things. The figure is accurate. Does it justify the crying?> HARDLY! If Cars and bars were that safe we would have a drastic decrease in deaths in this country.

In fact statistically it is a STELLAR record of ownership safety..But we dont hear that. Instead it has been a rash of knee-jerk emotions of which the news media and govt in concert attempted to USE as a lever tool. Much like tossing a flake of hay to a flock of sheep as they stampede to eat it up.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 2, 2013 - 02:14pm PT
some Vet says some negative things on a forum somewhere, and the next day DHS shows up to sieze his weapons.. Could you see such things taking place?

We can hope!

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/reports-author-kyle-fatally-shot-gun-range
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 2, 2013 - 02:18pm PT
It is only 2 orders of magnitude.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 2, 2013 - 02:27pm PT
Fairly WEAK ratio by any standards to deserve the massive amount of govt waste going on about it eh? When presented the numbers it hardly SEEMS a factual concern.. So there MUST be other agendas present to make washington interest so keen..Damm skippy there is.
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