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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 1, 2013 - 02:55pm PT
Yesterday NEWS FLASH: approx 589,447,365 guns werent used in crimes nor shot anyone. STELLAR record gun owners of America.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 1, 2013 - 03:07pm PT
hahaaaaa... only you Ron!

You claim 589,447,365 guns were not used in crimes. Estimates say 89 guns per 100 US residents (wiki). With 313,000,000 people in the US that means there are approximately (89*313,000,000/100) = 278,000,000 guns owned by US citizens. Yet somehow nearly twice as many were not used in crime.

Stellar math displayed by some unknown, uncited source there!
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 1, 2013 - 03:13pm PT
wes,,lil buddy,,i can TELL YOU by absolute fact,, that half the guns the average collector owns were NEVER documented. NEVER. I can tell you by knowledge that there are antigues and older weapons in millions of collections never documented in any way shape or form.

Now, i WONT even mention,, that those numbers thrown out by the mass sheeple medias havent changed since sandy hook,, YET the gun stores and shows have been selling them at a rate never before seen..Oooops i guess i did mention it..Ohw,, and i didnt know abc tallied black market counts? wonder where they get that info??

One way ONLY to get an accurate account of actual guns in this country is to go door to door searches.. Good luck with that...


Your the one thats all "facts and figures".. I suggest you get some fresh input.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Apr 1, 2013 - 03:17pm PT
The Constitution is a living document. Some amendments (notably the Second) could and SHOULD be amended.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 1, 2013 - 03:24pm PT
Kinda contradicts an Oath you once took JD...
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Apr 1, 2013 - 03:32pm PT
I took an oath to defend my country. I'm not saying the Second Amendment should be gutted, just modified in a resonable way that reflects America in the 21st century. Moot point anyway, i know it won't happen in my lifetime.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Apr 1, 2013 - 03:36pm PT
Colorado gave me whiplash.

I was just about to move back and twist one up and only weeks later they ban hi-caps.


Oh, the irony!
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Apr 1, 2013 - 03:40pm PT
Colorado's loss is Utah's gain.

DMT
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Apr 1, 2013 - 03:41pm PT
I believe they remain unconvinced, DMT.



Joe, some people need an explanation (when they can't read an avatar).
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 1, 2013 - 03:42pm PT
Yes JD, from enemies "foreign and domestic"...Our ability to defend ourselves from domestic enemies IS the second amendment. That is the very same reason "domestic enemies" is included in that oath in the various bracnhes of the military right?

You know,, we have thousands upon thousands of "gun laws" on the books across the country but with the amount of people here,it would take armies of LEOs to enforce them all across the board. Like a ratio of 1:2...That is why for the most, its all after the fact investigations. Chi-town a glaring example.

Get rid of gangs, that are KNOWN in this country and you would see the homicide rate reduce by at least a third or more. Its not the guns, but who uses them here now.

pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Apr 1, 2013 - 03:51pm PT
Credit: pyro
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 1, 2013 - 04:00pm PT
must be that Gifford pooch! BAAAHAHAHA!


edit: News for Nevada is that Senator Heller said he would not support any legislation contradictory to the 2nd amendment..
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 1, 2013 - 04:53pm PT
The question is, is Heller smart enough to realize legislation aimed at firearm SALES does absolutely NOTHING to contradict our right to keep and bear arms? Or is Heller just another politician who knows morans will vote based on meaningless statements like that?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 1, 2013 - 04:55pm PT
Heller is a native Carsonite, class 0 77.. Hes had an ear full from the locals here that graduated with him. You do the math..
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Apr 1, 2013 - 04:58pm PT
Yes JD, from enemies "foreign and domestic"...Our ability to defend ourselves from domestic enemies IS the second amendment.


Then how come Ted Nugent never took the oath?

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 1, 2013 - 05:09pm PT
Heller is a native Carsonite, class 0 77.. You do the math..

Sounds like someone is going to have to.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Apr 1, 2013 - 05:16pm PT
just another politician who knows morans

Has he done the SW Buttress?
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Apr 1, 2013 - 05:45pm PT
Aaaiiieee... help me!!! Can't resist....

I don't want to stop people from dying... in fact, it would be nice to see the population decline by several billion. I do want to stop people from being murdered. Big difference... consult your dictionary.

Now I think I'm getting the picture. For you, "murder" is such a clear, bright line that IT is the great Satan worth spilling all these bytes and effort over.

1) Do you really think that the thousands of kids dying from lung cancer caused by cigarettes are really comforted by YOUR sentiment: "Wow, whew, at least I wasn't MURDERED! Makes me feel SO much better to know that I wasn't killed instantly by some crazed gunman's bullet. That whole 'murder' line really makes me feel SO much better; I know that I'm dying on the correct side of it!"

THAT is silly.

Have you ever watched somebody die of lung cancer? I have. Repeatedly. I can tell you that your nomenclature line means nothing. And I know a couple of them would gladly have traded their form of death for a quick murder ANY DAY!

People die. People kill other people. They use all sorts of implements. And there are better and worse ways to die when it's your time. What you "name" the form of death means nothing.

2) Why don't you identify and go after the CAUSES of murder (such as the "war on drugs" and the fact that a huge proportion of them are gangland in nature) rather than go after a tool?

3) Just because the proximate cause of a death is not as "immediate" or "clear" in the case of SHS does NOT make it one slightest bit less outrageous (indeed, it's more so). A gun feels like an immediate, proximate threat. Big deal. The cigs are FAR more dangerous and insidious. If you think that "intent" makes so much difference, refer back to point 1 above.

Finally, what I said earlier, even the MURDERS in this country (done with guns or otherwise) are at a level that's not worth getting your panties in a bunch about!

Sheeesh... I grew up and lived most of my life in the San Bernardino/Riverside area... a "hotbed of violence." I wasn't living in fear of getting shot, and I hung around with a pretty rough crowd for years: the Diablos. Ever hear of them?

FEAR owns this nation at this point. Let's have some perspective! "Land of the Free and Home of the Brave." Uhh, yeah, right. Don't even get me started on how we tolerate the NSA's constant invasion of every detail of our lives in the name of the "war on terror." "Land of the Free and Home of the Brave." Yeah, yeah, right, right.

Put it in perspective, people. Statistically speaking, gun deaths are NOTHING to get all worked up about, even if some of them are (dare I name that which must not be named?) MURDER.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Apr 1, 2013 - 06:09pm PT
Hey MadBolter, why not just murder your family members, and then shoot yourself in the head? Statistically speaking, it's NOTHING to get all worked up about.

That's not worth a response.

What IS worth saying is that I would do them a service to murder them with a gun rather than to force lung cancer upon them!

Both are heinous acts. Only one of those acts is already illegal. Rather than to get all in a tizzy about ONLY the former, back up, remember the words "statistically speaking," and go after the causes of much more frequent and much more horrible CAUSED death... regardless of nomenclature.

At least guns have intrinsic value. Cigarettes and other implements of smoking have NONE. You can't use smoking for ANY "good purpose." Why is smoking legal in this country at all? What good does it do ANYBODY?

Again, go after the statistically significant (and more horrible) death where it is. Going after the guns that cause a few thousand murders in a nation of 1/3 of a billion people is totally Quixotic. And if you care about saving children from horrible, needless death, you are totally barking up the wrong tree.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Apr 1, 2013 - 06:11pm PT
At least guns have intrinsic value. Cigarettes and other implements of smoking have NONE. You can't use smoking for ANY "good purpose." Why is smoking legal in this country at all? What good does it do ANYBODY?

Sounds like somebody wants big government to take away all our freedoms.
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