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Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jul 8, 2013 - 07:01pm PT
arming teachers and custodians poses far greater danger


Uh,.... I've forgotten. How many tragedies have been precipitated by the armed teachers and custodians already in our schools?

I know of 1 case (in another country) where an armed teacher prevented a tragedy.



What presumptuous postulators antigunners are!


Insurance companies?
They know it all, huh?

Why lionize people that have sold their souls. They make book on bad news and make profits by screwing the victims.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jul 8, 2013 - 10:09pm PT
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philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jul 14, 2013 - 06:21pm PT
New Missouri Law Would Allow First Graders To Take NRA-Sponsored Gun Class
By Esther Yu-Hsi Lee on Jul 14, 2013 at 2:52 pm

First-graders may soon be able to enroll in a NRA sponsored gun class as a result of a public safety bill signed into law by Missouri Governor Jay Nixon (D) on Friday.
The measure requires school personnel to participate in at least eight hours of an “Active Shooter and Intruder Response Training” program conducted by law enforcement officials and allows schools to apply for financial grants for the NRA’s Eddie Eagle Gunsafe Program.
The NRA claims that the course, which features colorful cartoon character named Eddie Eagle, teaches children about gun safety. But research has failed to link the program to a reduction in children’s deaths from guns, with some studies showing that while “children could memorize Eddie’s simple advice about avoiding guns,” the instruction “went unheeded when children were put in real-life scenarios and asked to role-play a response.” Another report labeled Eddie Eagle “Joe Camel with feathers” and argued that the goal of the program was to recruit new NRA members.
The gun lobby itself has a long record of marketing guns to children and actively works to discredit groups like the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) that want to stop children from encountering guns in the first place. Missouri now joins North Carolina, Texas, and Virginia in providing an endorsement of the NRA program through state laws. Ohio was the first state to fund the Eddie Eagle program.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/07/14/2297771/missouri-first-graders-gun-safety-courses/



Hell why are they waiting so long? I am sure they believe they could train them inutero.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jul 14, 2013 - 07:14pm PT
Uh,... philo, learning to be safe is a bad idea?

Oh yeah, thats right, this is about brainwashing little minds.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 14, 2013 - 08:03pm PT
So you'd rather have them only have the knowledge gleaned from Saturday morning cartoons?


Seems you haven't a clue as to what's in the NRA lessons.

According to the National Center for Health Statistics, fatal firearm accidents in the Eddie Eagle age group have been reduced by over 80% since the program's nationwide launch. NRA feels that gun accident prevention programs such as Eddie Eagle are a significant factor in that decline.

Widely Used
Since 1988, The Eddie Eagle GunSafe® Program has been taught by more than 26,000 schoolteachers and law enforcement officers nationwide. Since 1988, the program has reached over 26 million children - in all 50 states.

They should:

STOP!
DON'T TOUCH.
LEAVE THE AREA.
TELL AN ADULT.

http://eddieeagle.nra.org/program-features.aspx
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 14, 2013 - 08:46pm PT
The Eddie Eagle GunSafe® Program has been honored or formally endorsed by groups such as the National Sheriffs' Association, the American Legion, the Police Athletic League, the Association of American Educators, and others. The program has received bipartisan support from the governors of 26 states who signed resolutions recommending that the program be used in their school systems. Additionally, the legislatures of 23 states passed resolutions recommending the use of the Eddie Eagle Program in their states.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jul 14, 2013 - 09:04pm PT
The Violence Policy Center, pffft!

Yeah, a really objective organization.




Although my father dropped the ball in several regards, going target shooting and hunting with him were entirely positive bonding experiences. The education I got from the getgo in safe weapons handling has served me well not only in my personal conduct, but also in recognizing the skill (or lack thereof) in others.

Kids learning gun safety is just one facet of a well rounded upbringing for rural offspring, a breed admittedly becoming rare.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jul 14, 2013 - 09:22pm PT
Any of you NRAdvocates been around many six year olds for any length of time? Something tells me No.
Ron how old were you when you bonded with your dad?
My Grandfather was a consummate outdoorsman. He taught us all gun safety after we reached 12 years old when he thought maturity had reached a point of responsibility. Should Nascar promote driver's ed classes in elementary school? Is it actually relevant to the young mind?
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 14, 2013 - 10:20pm PT
Credit: TGT
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jul 14, 2013 - 11:00pm PT
I was about 4 when a deer came out of the woods surrounding our house and my dad went and grabbed his .257 Roberts, made sure it was unloaded, and leveled it on the living room window sill.
After a bit he had me take a look taking care to teach me the 2nd discipline.

In the next years we started with archery and .22s

By the time I was 13 I was ranked higher than my camp counselor "instructor".

Thanks dad.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jul 15, 2013 - 11:25pm PT
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mucci

Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
Jul 15, 2013 - 11:27pm PT
$25.99 for a 50 pack of .40 cal 180 grain plunkers.

Damn this gun debacle.

Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jul 15, 2013 - 11:31pm PT
yeah, mucci

that's about what I paid last week for some S&W 40s

can you imagine the billions of dollars in profits for the gun industry

and who do you think sits on the board of directors of the NRA

yep, all the firearm manufacturers, making sure the hysteria continues $$$
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jul 26, 2013 - 08:02pm PT
Things are slowly coming back. Though the old prices will likely never be seen again.

The $15 cartons of high end .22s are going for $40 and rationed, but there are lots on the shelf at Get Some.





I wonder what all you anti-gunners think of Ahmed Ozalp.

Writing in the Princeton University Alumni Weekly he said, "I have always been amused by America's fascination with the right to bear arms, dismissing it as national zealotry."

Then something happened back home,... in Cairo.
After the police abandoned the streets residents banded together in neighborhood militias arming themselves with whatever they could.
Ozalp armed himself with a golf club and his friend with a baseball bat.

His turnaround was blatant in the publication. Referring to the right to bear arms that he called national zealotry he then wrote, " After living through the necessity of forming a neighborhood militia, I now recognize the protection it affords."
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 26, 2013 - 08:11pm PT
Obviously what the Framers had in mind as well, as opposed to the my dementia

fixed it for ya.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 26, 2013 - 08:46pm PT
America is literally Egypt/Iraq/Syria and about to devolve into sectarian violence as soon as our oppressive dictator is overthrown and it is not ironic at all that statistically the fact that you own a gun actually makes it MORE likely that you'll be killed by one.

(I have no problem with gun ownership, just people who think it's the only thing "protecting their rights.")
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jul 26, 2013 - 09:19pm PT
I wonder what all you anti-gunners think of Ahmed Ozalp.

just like you,they never even heard of him

but more importantly, is your definition of an "anti gunner" someone who supports the extreme idea of thinking that convicted felons ought to be background checked BEFORE buying an AK at a gun show?

THAT was the attempt of the Federal Legislation after the eight year olds were murdered, Ron

are YOU an "anti gunner" also Ron, because you don't have a problem with background checks?

or are you just confused about what you believe, but just irrationally and emotionally oppose any damn attempt to lessen the likely hood of future slaughters?

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jul 26, 2013 - 10:05pm PT
Yeah hedge I guess you are right. It was crazy to compare our peaceful and civilized corner of the world to Egypt. Here we would never have major cities go bankrupt leaving citizens to rely on cops who only respond to major crimes (taking 58 minutes to do so). And we always have the federal government to back up the cops. They would never be so fiscally irresponsible.

pfffft, silly me.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 26, 2013 - 10:09pm PT
You mean like Detroit?

TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 26, 2013 - 10:50pm PT
















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