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madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Mar 7, 2014 - 02:03pm PT
Benign dictatorship, that's what I'll have on my tropical island :-).

Exactly what works in the "island" that is my home. (At least, so I like to think.) LOL

No, I'm not a laissez faire sort of person, either economically or in terms of government intervention as adjudicator between the conflicting positive rights of individuals. We PUT government in place SO AS to have such an adjudicator between us. It's ludicrous, then, to claim that government should stay out of everything. My point is that there are very principled ways that government is supposed to be involved, and those principles themselves have shifted from libertarian to communitarian over time.

Your point that the voters don't even know what's really good for them is very prescient on this very subject. In a very real sense, the Constitution was supposed to protect voters from themselves. That is why the majority SHOULD not always rule, and it is why we were set up as a Republic rather than direct Democracy.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Mar 7, 2014 - 04:29pm PT
Sheesh!

It is like you guys have never read Plato's "Republic".



Damn weatherman said it'd be nice so I packed the 4X4 full of guns and targets yesterday and woke to winds gusting out of the NW at over 30 mph.

Not much fun for ultra-long range bench rest shooting so its feed the lizards and tap the taco.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Mar 7, 2014 - 04:45pm PT
Yahh, Toker! That's what we really need: Philosopher Kings!

C'mon! Let's do it!

Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
May 4, 2014 - 03:32am PT

‘Smart’ Firearm Draws Wrath of the Gun Lobby: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/28/us/politics/smart-firearm-draws-wrath-of-the-gun-lobby.html

Maryland gun store drops plans to sell 'smart guns' after threats:http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/02/us-usa-maryland-smartgun-idUSBREA410SD20140502

TGT

Social climber
So Cal
May 5, 2014 - 08:28pm PT
Really big gun!

Really long shot!

crankster

Trad climber
May 17, 2014 - 10:49am PT
Gun debate is over. Lunatics like Ron won. Won't change until the body count gets too high.
locker

Social climber
"Sh#t shack across from the city dump"
May 17, 2014 - 10:51am PT


"The craze of 22's is still being felt - as approx 20 million new shooters have entered the shooting world in recent years, and the 22 being a cheaper round is still in extremely high demand."...


So people are finally admitting that the shortage is due to consumer purchases and not the Government buying up all the stock???...




As for the "Stingers"...

I remember well when they came out...

It was the EXCITING .22 round that packed a decent wallop...




locker

Social climber
"Sh#t shack across from the city dump"
May 17, 2014 - 11:02am PT

So the paranoia was unwarranted...

As I figured...

All those freaks claiming Obama and crew were buying up ALL the .22's...

WHY the fuk would they???...

LOL!!!...





THANKS for confirming what I already knew...

;-)





EDITED:

It is the high cost of rounds these days that keeps me from going out, "Plinking"...

I miss the days of walking into a store and grabbing a box of .22's for $1.00 a box (I actually recall $.50, but at that time I was too young to purchase on my own)...


crankster

Trad climber
May 17, 2014 - 11:04am PT
That "government is buying up the ammo" lunacy is popular with the millions of Wingnuts gathered in DC this weekend. Oh, did I say millions? I meant dozens.
jonnyrig

Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
May 17, 2014 - 08:24pm PT
Nice goin Ron! You,ll be ready for chukar season.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
May 20, 2014 - 03:03pm PT
The Armed Citizen:
A South Carolina man who donned a bulletproof vest and asked a friend to shoot him was lethally wounded when his friend followed through on the request, authorities said.

Blake Randall Wardell, 25, of Honea Path was killed Wednesday with a single gunshot by 18-year-old Taylor Ann Kelly, authorities said. The bullet missed the protective Kevlar entirely, hitting Wardell's heart instead.

"The bullet went through the top edge of the material. It missed the vest," Lt. Sheila Cole, spokeswoman for the Anderson County Sheriff's Department, told the Los Angeles Times.

Kelly, a friend of the victim, according to Cole, told authorities that Wardell had asked her to shoot him after putting on the vest. Local media reported that he had found the vest in a garage.

Cole added that nothing had been ruled out while investigations are ongoing, and that Kelly was charged with involuntary manslaughter.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-bullet-proof-vest-fatal-shooting-20140515-story.html
jstan

climber
May 24, 2014 - 01:24pm PT


Edit:
Turns out when sheriff's department personnel interviewed the subject they had not viewed the videos he had posted.

Hard to avoid concluding the NSA will not now do keyword searches on all communications. Very simple to do that and then raise a flag with the appropriate authorities. Should not have been necessary, I think, in this case. Egregious.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
May 24, 2014 - 01:41pm PT
Son of a movie director.

No wonder the L.A. Times has been withholding the dude's name. Wouldn't want to be the one to report anything that could be seen to be negative to The Industry first.

The guy definitely had head problems. Look at his videos:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgsBey7KX53-0qm-FSGTOyQ/videos

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
May 24, 2014 - 03:23pm PT
OMG Gary, that is darwinism rather than 2nd amendment fodder.


I'm in a strange place with the lowly .22lr.
I still have plenty (including over 1K Stingers), but every time I shoot them I start thinking about replacing them @ at least 12 cents a round which, considering the miniscule ballistic performance compared to 9mm and .223 which go for little more, leaves me no longer having a taste for just blazing away with my plinkers.

It still has a place in my lineup but it is now more functional than useful for practice shooting.
I think that the .22 is on the wane, although there will always be afficionados, fools and cheapskates that make it the #1 round for homicides.

How much are Stingers going for online?
(probably more than factory 9mm)
crankster

Trad climber
May 24, 2014 - 03:31pm PT
You're a nut. Guns kill people. You're a nut. Every mass murder. Guns. Nuts. Nuts.
Flip Flop

Trad climber
Truckee, CA
May 24, 2014 - 04:20pm PT
You suck.
crankster

Trad climber
May 24, 2014 - 07:45pm PT
This tragedy, courtesy of the NRA.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/05/24/the-nra-s-all-out-assault-on-accurate-information-about-gun-deaths.html
jstan

climber
May 29, 2014 - 01:24pm PT
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/5/28/california-gun-legislation.html

U.S.AFTER ISLA VISTA KILLINGS, CALIFORNIA LAWMAKERS PROPOSE NEW GUN CONTROLS

Bill would allow concerned family or friends to appeal to law enforcement for a 'gun violence
restraining order'
May 28, 2014 5:59PM ET
by Marisa Taylor @marisahtaylor

In the wake of Elliot Rodger’s gruesome killing spree on Friday in Isla Vista, California, state
lawmakers on Tuesday said they would propose legislation to create a system of gun-violence
restraining orders to prevent future massacres.

The bill would allow concerned family members or friends to notify law enforcement if they’re
concerned about a loved one’s intent to commit violence. Law enforcement would then
investigate the threat of violence and could ask a judge to approve a restraining order on that
person’s ability to purchase firearms or to keep in their possession already-owned guns.

“When someone is in crisis, the people closest to them are often the first to spot the warning
signs but almost nothing can now be done to get back their guns or prevent them from buying
more," said California state Assemblywoman Nancy Skinner, D-Berkeley, in a release. She
introduced the bill with Assemblywoman Das Williams, D-Santa Barbara.

Under current law, a therapist can notify law enforcement of a client’s intent to commit violence,
and law enforcement can investigate that individual, but a person can only be banned from
purchasing firearms if that person has been involuntarily committed to a mental health facility.

“Parents, like the mother who tried to intervene, deserve an effective tool they can act on to help
prevent these tragedies,” said Skinner. Roger's mother had contacted authorities at least twice
prior to the killings.

And California Senate President Pro Tem Darrell Steinberg told the Senate on Tuesday that he
intended to introduce a package of policy and budget proposals on Wednesday to address mental
health care, according to the Sacramento Bee.

Steinberg said the state should create protocols for law enforcement to follow when they’re called
to check on a person’s mental health, requiring officers to look into that person’s firearm
purchasing history and talk to family members and neighbors.

In April, just weeks before Rodger stabbed to death three men at his apartment and shot dead
three more as he drove around the beachside college town of Isla Vista, Rodger’s mother became
concerned when she saw a YouTube video he posted and reportedly called the police.

But Rodger staved them off when they visited his apartment and asked him if he’d had suicidal
thoughts, telling them “it was all a big misunderstanding, that his relative and this other person
had taken things the wrong way and he really wasn’t going to hurt anybody or himself,” according
to Santa Barbara county sheriff Bill Brown.

But had they searched his room, as Rodger wrote in the 141-page manifesto that he emailed to a
handful of people just before his violent rampage, the police officers might have found his three
semi-automatic guns and 400 rounds of ammunition — all legally purchased — “along with my
writings about what I plan to do with them.”

Richard Martinez — the father of Christopher Michaels-Martinez, who died in the attack — urged
students at a memorial service on the University of California, Santa Barbara campus to fight for
tougher gun laws and blamed the shooting on politicians’ inaction, according to the Associated
Press.

"They have done nothing, and that's why Chris died," Martinez said. "It's almost become a normal
thing for us to accept this."

In January, the Obama administration strengthened the federal law banning those who have been
sentenced to involuntary mental health treatment from purchasing firearms, clarifying that both
inpatient and outpatient treatment would warrant a ban on gun ownership.

President Barack Obama proposed sweeping gun control measures early in 2013 following the
mass shooting of 26 people at an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut, but legislation to
strengthen federal background checks were rejected by Congress.


Whether or not the restraining order is created, people notifying the authorities need to set out
for the police the evidence causing them to worry. I am guessing the police detailed to question
Rodgers were scheduled to interview many people that day. They don't have time to research his
videos. Had they been provided the links at the time of the complaint, I think this might
have been avoided. There could be several other good effects from this initiative.
Salamanizer

Trad climber
The land of Fruits & Nuts!
May 29, 2014 - 03:51pm PT
Finally a bill introduced by Democrats that appears (at least on the surface) to actually make some sense. I wonder what that crooked ass crackpot Steinberg will try and attach to it that will effectively force Republicans and some Democrats to reject it?
jstan

climber
Jun 2, 2014 - 04:10pm PT
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/nra-slams-texas-gun-group-downright-weird-scary-article-1.1814498

NRA slams Texas gun group as ‘downright weird’ and ‘scary’ for rallying at restaurants with rifles

The National Rifle Association thinks Open Carry Texas has taken a law allowing rifles in public too far after backlash for bringing guns to chain restaurants like Chipotle and Starbucks. 'A small number (of Texans) have recently crossed the line from enthusiasm to downright foolishness,' the NRA said in an online posting Friday.

BY SASHA GOLDSTEIN NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Published: Monday, June 2, 2014, 5:19 PM Updated: Monday, June 2, 2014, 5:56

Brian Chrusciel of Fort Worth, Texas, poses for a portrait holding a pocket version of The Constitution of the United States and his Bushmaster AR-15 rifle, as he and members of the Open Carry Tarrant county group gathered for a demonstration on Thursday in Haltom City, Texas.
Even the National Rifle Association thinks some Texas residents are taking public gun toting too far.

The notorious gun lobby has slapped members of Open Carry Texas as “downright weird” for their insistence on bringing loaded semi-automatic rifles, including AR-15s and AK-47s, into family-friendly establishments like Chipotle and Starbucks.

The statement, released Friday, came one day before a throng of some 150 people, some armed with semi-automatic rifles and copies of the U.S. Constitution, assembled peacefully outside a Home Depot in North Richland Hills, a Dallas/Fort Worth suburb.


“We’re fundamentally changing America and changing Texas,” Mark Thompson, armed with a Beretta semi-automatic rifle during the rally Saturday, told the Dallas Morning News. “We’re letting people know they’re free.”

But the NRA, whose vice president Wayne LaPierre endorsed “a good guy with a gun” in schools and other public places shortly after the massacre at Newtown, said in a blog posting that “a small number (of Texans) have recently crossed the line from enthusiasm to downright foolishness.”

The state allows unlicensed people to openly carry rifles in public places, a law OCT has used “merely to draw attention” to themselves, the NRA said.

“Let's not mince words, not only is it rare, it's downright weird and certainly not a practical way to go normally about your business while being prepared to defend yourself,” the statement says. “To those who are not acquainted with the dubious practice of using public displays of firearms as a means to draw attention to oneself or one's cause, it can be downright scary. It makes folks who might normally be perfectly open-minded about firearms feel uncomfortable and question the motives of pro-gun advocates.”


MOMS DEMAND ACTION FOR GUN SENSE IN AMERICA
Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America shared this photo after pushing Chipotle to make a statement about bringing armed guns into its restaurants.
Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America circulated a petition asking Chipotle to ban guns in restaurants after a rally last month at a Dallas-area restaurant spooked other customers. And Open Carry Texas demonstrations at Jack in the Box and Starbucks caused the companies to prohibit firearms from their respective establishments nationwide.

“I think they’re just a bunch of boobs,” Jon Felt, 49, told the Morning News as he watched Saturday’s demonstration. “They say they checked all these weapons. How do we know they’re empty? I don’t know who these people are.”

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