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mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 29, 2013 - 01:48pm PT
Ron, you really believe most guns used in crimes were originally (legally) purchased in that state? You really see no benefit to having a federal registry to help law enforcement expedite their search, rather than individually searching records from all 50 states?

The MAIN reason the feds want a fed registry is a place in which to shove their fingers.

Translation: the MAIN reason gun nuts are opposed to the ideas is because they think the government will come after their guns.

Christ, don't you just love this world of paranoia and outrageous speculation?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 29, 2013 - 02:00pm PT
Wes,, what we speak of is after the fact. As far as licensed dealers, gun stores etc. That info is on computers which are being tapped as we speak. This is all in that five miles of sub sections of the NDAA 2013 legislation.
So they already have thier avenues for investigation after the fact.

And when it comes to law abiding citizenry, it is no ones business what they have- be it fire arms, cars, bars or how much beer they can have per night. We see the proof of what i say in that NDAA 2013 pile. Obama took what bush did with the patriot act even further, as all have done for some time now. One little chisel at a time to be subtle..The technique is just like gas prices, which shoot up farther that ever before, then relax a few pennys backwards to keep the comfy feeling to the consumer.
Also consider that thee has been talk in Washington if "civil unrest" for a few years now. This could explain those empty concentration camps and mass grave sites that set idle. That definitly explains the feds wanting a fed register of guns too. So they know exaclty what any person has in the way of fire arms.. WHY do they need to know that of law abiding citizenry? It wont stop or hamper criminal activities.



so you tell me Wes: Fema grave sites coffins and liners, DHS, IRS, SS and many other agencies ordering massive amounts of hollow point ammo as well as urban assualt vehicles and the NDAA 2013 sections .. I ask you, what does all this indicate? They arent using urban assualt vehicles for anything here in the past. But they are ordering them now.?? And since when did so many agencies order so much ammo? Ive never known such numbers before. Do you not wonder a little about all of this?


Ive heard rumor that Washington fully expects an economic disaster ahead and is preparing for that civil unrest they speak of, and if i were to prepare for such an event, i would be doing exaclty what they are currently.
pud

climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
Mar 29, 2013 - 02:50pm PT
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 29, 2013 - 02:51pm PT
Gawd, that ^ is cute!

And when it comes to law abiding citizenry, it is no ones business what they have- be it fire arms, cars, bars or how much beer they can have per night.

Or chemical weapons or poppy plantations or meth distilleries or gang headquarters.

Also consider that thee has been talk in Washington if "civil unrest" for a few years now.

Please provide a reference to those talking about the type of "civil unrest" to which you refer. Because there has been talk of civil unrest for millenia... usually by extremists... often by religious extremists. I'm curious if the "talk" has become more dire since Obama was elected... or since the invasion of Tea Baggers. Please be specific... Inquiring Minds Like Me Want To Know.

so you tell me Wes: Fema grave sites coffins and liners, DHS, IRS, SS and many other agencies ordering massive amounts of hollow point ammo as well as urban assualt vehicles and the NDAA 2013 sections .. I ask you, what does all this indicate?

An impending invasion by Marxist dictators?

Do you not wonder a little about all of this?

Nope, not really. I've been out of the country before. I've been to train stations where uniformed military types patrol with fully auto machine guns. I understand that higher population density means more security is required. I understand that if any jackass with a clean record can EASILY arm themselves like the Aurora shooter or the fuks at Waco, etc, the government better come in with even more firepower to put a stop to it.

Ive heard rumor that Washington fully expects an economic disaster ahead and is preparing for that civil unrest they speak of

God forbid the government prepare for civil unrest/armed uprising with adequate equipment!
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 29, 2013 - 03:13pm PT
Im not an extremist wes, nor are any of my close freinds. What we are is awake, and researching the back channels. Mainstream medias are nothing but an insult and waste of time anymore. Google, snopes -- all of those avenues have now been gathered , bought or inducted.
In this age of info flow in cyber space, all manner of rumor AND FACT can be found and none of it ever is seen on the major networks. That goes for both political parties.
It was these same avenues that finally got the silent gun owners off their collective arses and onto the emails to their reps. Hence the assualt weapons ban going down the tube so rapidly. Several states now consider laws like Montana has, prohibiting the feds from enforcing gun laws not approved by the state. So it seems the local politicians certainly think something is up as well. Rand Paul did 13 hours on the floor over things like DRONES, which are now a quite commonly talked about issue. They are starting to be used by local LE to the feds HERE..
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 29, 2013 - 03:15pm PT
Im not an extremist wes, nor are any of my close freinds. What we are is awake

I think that is what Charles Manson said too.

Mainstream medias are nothing but an insult and waste of time anymore

But they tell you about all those horrible killings in SF... otherwise you wouldn't know how bad inner city violence has become and how many guns everyone needs to protect themselves.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 29, 2013 - 03:24pm PT
No,, he did not say anything of the kind. Niether did Squeaky when she lived up six mile canyon.


But to get back,, lets talk about SOCIAL SECURITY ordering millions of rounds of hollow point 223 and 9/10 mm, assualt vehicles and ARs.

Ive been to the social security offices. Much like walking into any H&R block office. People setting in a waiting area, cubicles with computers and interviewers. Period.. Not armed guards, no assualt vehicles out back, nothing but an office setting and enviroment.

You cant find one legit reason for that agency ordering those arms. Sure they investigate frauds, mostly via the computers, however local leos can handle any actual arrests being made right? Or the FBI? So again i have to ask --SOCIAL SECURITY??

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 29, 2013 - 03:57pm PT
So, we are back to the US government invading...

Ron, seriously, if you want to discuss this sh#t you have to provide more than your opinion. You have to cite outside sources because when I try to figure out what you are talking about, I come up with stuff like this:

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/48898365/ns/us_news-life/t/why-does-social-security-need-bullets/#.UVXwM1dvD9U

It ain't "millions" of hollow points, more like 174,000.

The agents carry guns and make arrests 589 last year, Lasher said. They execute search warrants and respond to threats against Social Security offices, employees and customers.

Agents carry .357 caliber pistols, Lasher said. The bullets, which add up to about 590 per agent, are for the upcoming fiscal year. Most will be expended on the firing range.

How many rounds did you pop off at the range this year? How many when you were an LEO? I'm not a gun nut, but 590 rounds a year doesn't seem like that much if your job involves carrying a gun... once a month at the range, that's only 50 rounds a visit.


local leos can handle any actual arrests being made right? Or the FBI?

yeah, because they have plenty of free time for silly investigations of SS fraud?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 29, 2013 - 04:14pm PT
nbc news....(sigh)....Thought i covered that somewhere up above..
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 29, 2013 - 04:18pm PT
Note, I said "stuff like this" indicating every source I looked at had similar information. Do you even look at multiple sources?

So your approach to a "discussion" is to offer never ending opinions supported by NO outside information, and then criticize the links provided by others... again with NO outside information?

So, give me a better source. Enlighten me.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 29, 2013 - 04:27pm PT
dood as i just mentioned ive posted the links many times.

Please dont tell me you think gubbmint is transparent, open and honest to the people they supposedly represent.. You think you heard the total truths of Sandy hook? Theres fifty pages of googlyness on that. And some real glaring items as well. Times are changing in mor ways than you or i know for sure. The drones here were an unkown till the bloggers and back channels found out. Took Rand Paul 13 hours for clarification that was no more than Holder double talk. Were they honest about Iraq? Bush had the support ya know. Were they honest about Nam? "we are NOT in Cambodia" was told to the american public, and at the same time my brother was on that border supprting air missions into it. Are we being kept up with the current ME fiascos?? Benghazzi?? Hell no- all smoke and mirrors. meanwhile the poor get poorer and the gubbmint plans for disaster. We are supporting both sides of wars in the ME right now.. whut--thee- fhu-hu-huck.?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 29, 2013 - 04:29pm PT
He clearly gets upset when I call him an idiot and some friends asked me why I was so hard on him (did he really deserve it?). So I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt and change my ways a bit. I actually agree with WB that Ron is "He's a good human being besides all his faults." But at the same time, his faults are intolerable.


I'm simply asking Ron to supply ACTUAL information from an outside source that supports his OPINIONS. I don't think that is too much to ask. If he can't or refuses to, well, I will just have to resort to pointing out that he displays the characteristics of a mentally deficient person.


hollow points... social security... DHS... drones... FBI... conspiracies... gangsters... vigilante justice... blah blah blah... just look back through 4000+ posts... it was posted somewhere...

fuking weak!
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 29, 2013 - 04:34pm PT
No, it is simply that ive already, many times over, provided links. What i talk of is common knowledge for those that look.

But using NBC for a point is certainly tell tale of a mental difficiency..Might as well post a limbaugh link..

Right now, im grooming a great horned owl whcih is taking my time and concentration..That is far more important than redundant link postaing.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 29, 2013 - 04:41pm PT
What i talk of is common knowledge for those that look.

Spoken like a true IDIOT. You are impossible. You and hedge enjoy yourselves.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/ssabullets.asp
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 29, 2013 - 04:43pm PT
Snopes LMAO! Gud one wes....
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 29, 2013 - 04:48pm PT
I'm sure Ron's a fine guy coz... which is why I feel bad that he insists on acting like such an idiot.

Clearly he is smarter than blurring and a much better person all around. But soooo obstinate... and soooo unwilling to provide any supporting information. That pretty much makes an idiot in my book.
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Mar 29, 2013 - 04:55pm PT
People get to believe in things without evidence all the time. Why can,t you just accept that?

I mean, take religion...
oops, wrong thread.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 29, 2013 - 04:59pm PT
Sure, believe whatever you want.

But I will not accept it when it is presented as factual yet contradicts all available information... and certainly not when it affects public policy and/or promotes vigilante justice and conspiracy theories of civil unrest and government invasions.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 29, 2013 - 04:59pm PT
Coz when yur right yur right. I have little. I lost what i had six years past to a fake relationship, home included.. The last 6 months have left me with medical bills that are hard to fathom. So i continue on just barely floating my lips above the tide line trying to actually pay off bills instead of the ohhw soo fun bankrupcy square dance.
But i give waht i can where and when i can good times and bad.

And Wes, i could tell you some factual first hand accounts of gubmint and they way they handle things at the local levels that would shed some light. I used to be there. You insult me on a steady basis, but yet, if you review, i had predicted the happenings of benghazzi the day after it happened - right up to and including Hillary having to take the blame. I was 100% correct. That is one example. I didnt post links then either as there was none. You post snopes, yet SNOPES has been severly edited just like Google is now connected to the gubmint. All these things are facts.


wes,, have you at least read the titles to the sub sections of the NDAA2013?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 29, 2013 - 05:11pm PT
You want to know who truly influenced me in the last 10 years? A vet named Dan Burns, who my buddy was close freinds with. Enlisted at the age of 16 -was in the batan death march for his 17th birthday- escaped and finished the war with multiple HIGH honor awards. Recently buried in Arlington, with a host of presidents, Astronauts, Foreign Dignitarys, and many other people. Those were the people Dan communicated with like buddies. He mad a fortune turning war vehicles into agricultural machines in Africa aftr the war. 100% self made man that knew the upper crust. He too said things have changed for the worse, and he never would have thought it would be so. That man contained more knowledge of such mattrs than the whole of supertopo membership.
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