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Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Sep 6, 2013 - 03:59pm PT
The Armed Citizen:
A homeowner in Fresno who shot a firefighter in the leg after mistaking him for a home intruder will not face criminal charges.

Police spokesman Jamie Rios told the Fresno Bee on Thursday that the firefighter was just "doing his job" and also will not be penalized.

Responding to a medical alert, authorities told the newspaper that the firefighter tried entering the home through a window after not getting a response at the door – a common practice if they feel a resident could be in duress inside.

The firefighter, though, set off the home intruder alarm, waking the residents inside.

"They were thinking there was an intruder coming in the window,” Rios told the Fresno Bee.

The homeowner then grabbed his gun and fired a shot that grazed the firefighter's leg above the knee, resulting in what Rios called a minor injury. The firefighter was treated at a hospital.

The home resident reportedly told authorities that he had not called for medical assistance and that the house was having alarm problems.

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 6, 2013 - 06:58pm PT
that the house was having alarm problems.
Ergo: keep your gun loaded and right under your pillow. It's much more trustworthy than some new-fangled high tech alarm nonsense.

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Sep 7, 2013 - 09:59am PT

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Sep 7, 2013 - 10:26am PT
The Armed Citizen:,0,2452210.story
Desirae Macias and her sister were seated in the back of a car earlier this week when gunfire erupted from a passing vehicle.

The 7-year-old attempted to shield herself from the bullets. But one of them struck her in the back of the head. Next to her, Mary, 8, was covered in her blood, alive but traumatized. Desirae's mother desperately performed CPR.

Desirae is now on life support at Children's Hospital in Los Angeles and is not expected to survive.

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Sep 8, 2013 - 09:19pm PT

Premila Lal jumped out of a closet as a harmless joke to surprise a family friend, her father says. But the noise startled the friend, who grabbed a gun and shot her.

Another "law abiding" gun owner proving the statistics. The idea that reckless endangerment is the most he can be charged with should sicken every conscientious person. This wasn't an accident, this was utter disregard for human life, shoot first, ask questions later.



Trad climber
Butte, America
Sep 8, 2013 - 09:23pm PT
Hey Toker Villain, I found some 7.62x30 cartridge casings the other day--what load is this for???

My guess is military, but my knowledge is next to none on esoteric calibres...

Sep 11, 2013 - 11:22pm PT
Guns are too scary and dangerous for you Americans.

You must turn them in at once to Obama.

The rebels will keep you safe, after they rape your wife and chop your children up limb from limb ......
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Sep 11, 2013 - 11:52pm PT
More like 7.62 X 3NINE (not 0)

I was in Gallenson's 2 days ago and THEY ARE NO LONGER RATIONING!

Stacks of crates, some of it pretty pricey, some not bad.

I picked up 500 rds of 7.62 X 39 for the Draco for a C note.
(yeah yeah, I remember it MUCH lower)

The end of the drought may be near.
Too bad. I was kind of liking having the range all to myself again.

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Sep 18, 2013 - 12:42pm PT

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Sep 18, 2013 - 01:10pm PT

Dear Fellow Americans,

Few topics in America generate a more polarized and emotional debate than guns. In recent months, Starbucks stores and our partners (employees) who work in our stores have been thrust unwillingly into the middle of this debate. That’s why I am writing today with a respectful request that customers no longer bring firearms into our stores or outdoor seating areas.

From the beginning, our vision at Starbucks has been to create a “third place” between home and work where people can come together to enjoy the peace and pleasure of coffee and community. Our values have always centered on building community rather than dividing people, and our stores exist to give every customer a safe and comfortable respite from the concerns of daily life.

We appreciate that there is a highly sensitive balance of rights and responsibilities surrounding America’s gun laws, and we recognize the deep passion for and against the “open carry” laws adopted by many states. (In the United States, “open carry” is the term used for openly carrying a firearm in public.) For years we have listened carefully to input from our customers, partners, community leaders and voices on both sides of this complicated, highly charged issue.

Our company’s longstanding approach to “open carry” has been to follow local laws: we permit it in states where allowed and we prohibit it in states where these laws don’t exist. We have chosen this approach because we believe our store partners should not be put in the uncomfortable position of requiring customers to disarm or leave our stores. We believe that gun policy should be addressed by government and law enforcement—not by Starbucks and our store partners.

Recently, however, we’ve seen the “open carry” debate become increasingly uncivil and, in some cases, even threatening. Pro-gun activists have used our stores as a political stage for media events misleadingly called “Starbucks Appreciation Days” that disingenuously portray Starbucks as a champion of “open carry.” To be clear: we do not want these events in our stores. Some anti-gun activists have also played a role in ratcheting up the rhetoric and friction, including soliciting and confronting our customers and partners.

For these reasons, today we are respectfully requesting that customers no longer bring firearms into our stores or outdoor seating areas—even in states where “open carry” is permitted—unless they are authorized law enforcement personnel.

I would like to clarify two points. First, this is a request and not an outright ban. Why? Because we want to give responsible gun owners the chance to respect our request—and also because enforcing a ban would potentially require our partners to confront armed customers, and that is not a role I am comfortable asking Starbucks partners to take on. Second, we know we cannot satisfy everyone. For those who oppose “open carry,” we believe the legislative and policy-making process is the proper arena for this debate, not our stores. For those who champion “open carry,” please respect that Starbucks stores are places where everyone should feel relaxed and comfortable. The presence of a weapon in our stores is unsettling and upsetting for many of our customers.

I am proud of our country and our heritage of civil discourse and debate. It is in this spirit that we make today’s request. Whatever your view, I encourage you to be responsible and respectful of each other as citizens and neighbors.


Howard Schultz

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Sep 18, 2013 - 01:18pm PT
hmmm, I was going to get coffee at Alpina where fat angry old men rant libertarian bullshit all day long... but now I think I will go to Starbucks instead.

Social climber
the Wastelands
Sep 18, 2013 - 01:25pm PT
well Ron,

in the words of Sarah Palin, "Why bother"?

fact is that we have now become immune to mass shootings

it just does not shock any more

so, carry on!
the Fet

Sep 18, 2013 - 01:40pm PT
Washington Navy Yard gunman Aaron Alexis tried to buy an AR-15 assault rifle at a Virginia gun store last week after test firing one, but the store wouldn't sell it to him right away, CBS News has learned.

The reason for the refusal isn't clear.

Alexis then purchased a shotgun he used in his rampage, sources tell CBS News.

The owners of two gun stores in Virginia told CBS News Alexis would have been able to buy an AR-15, he just wouldn't have gotten it right away.

How can you gun nuts live with yourselves being against background checks? The killer should have gotten an AR-15 right away right? Otherwise our 2nd amendment rights are being violated. But luckily he was still able to buy a shotgun despite a long record of mental illness?

Universal background checks should be a non-controversial, no-brainer basis of gun control that everyone can agree on. But the gun nuts won't even allow that, thanks a lot.

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Sep 18, 2013 - 01:43pm PT
Maybe reasonable people are tired of playing your side's bullshit games Ron. It is clear to any reasonable person that access to machines designed specifically for killing should be restricted, regardless of the outdated and misinterpreted 2nd amendment. The dude had a history of misusing firearms and a history of mental illness... yet he was allowed to buy a shotgun and ammunition within weeks of the shooting.

Why keep hashing it out with the idiots who refuse to acknowledge the simple truth?

Social climber
the Wastelands
Sep 18, 2013 - 01:48pm PT
well Ron,

you and I must be following completely different new sources for you to say that this
shooting did not generate major media coverage

From CNN to Fox to MSNBC to HLN to ABC, NBC, and CBS and every major newspaper,
they all had extensive coverage from the beginning and throughout the day and day after

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Sep 18, 2013 - 01:52pm PT
Ron gets his "news" from conservative blogs,,, etc.

They all report that an AR-15 was used... by the police to stop the shooter... you know, offering well-reasoned angles that help inform the "debate."

Sep 18, 2013 - 01:57pm PT
Screw gun owner's rights. We are getting shot up every few months because of the stupidly easy access.
Jebus H Bomz

Peavine Basecamp
Sep 18, 2013 - 02:03pm PT
Ron, now you're complaining because you DON'T see a hue and cry for gun restrictions? Are you just a natural born whiner, or what?

Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
Sep 18, 2013 - 11:07pm PT
How come reasonable people who own firearms and support background checks dont get any press?

Because then you would all have to STFU.
bit'er ol' guy

the past
Sep 18, 2013 - 11:09pm PT

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