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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 28, 2013 - 07:20pm PT
No far more CURRENT policies. Same ones used in all those deportations Norton mentioned.


M s thirteen is THE most violnet gang in history. Well represented now here in the USA. Tell me why ANY "known" m s thirteen gang member should be allowed to stay here illegal or otherwise?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 28, 2013 - 07:21pm PT
I don't know how anyone in their right mind would vote for Republicans to cut funding so that illegals are forced to be released.


And Ron?

Are you actually trying to criticize the Dream Act?

You DO know what it says don't you?

There just is no valid reason to not give children a path to citizenship. They are here anyway, and I want them paying taxes and reporting crime, not hiding in the shadows and not reporting crime for fear of being arrested.

Amnesty, the great Republican FAILURE. 15 million illegals given amnesty thanks to Republican Reagan.

But at least THIS time around, illegals will NOT be given amnesty. And they will not be "rounded up" like cattle and sent back to El Salvador or whatever. This time around it looks like both Repubs and Dems will get together and pass a bill that finally deals with all those people NOT paying taxes and reporting crimes. It will be tough, learn English, pay a fine, join the US military, get a college education, pass a civics test that 90% of Americans could not pass, and take years to go through it all.

You damn right this has to be dealt with, it's time. We need their tax dollars.

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 28, 2013 - 07:21pm PT
So more current policies trump the 14th amendment?

The Dream Act sounds like a good idea to me. Ron, you have any RELEVANT criticisms of the Dream Act... preferably based on facts and rooted in reality?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 28, 2013 - 07:25pm PT
Yeas Nortoin,, i agree with some of that,, but along with that we get a 65% serious crime ratio..


and Wes answer MY question fer once..:M s thirteen is THE most violent gang in history. Well represented now here in the USA. Tell me why ANY "known" m s thirteen gang member should be allowed to stay here illegal or otherwise?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 28, 2013 - 07:28pm PT
along with that we get a 65% serious crime ratio..

Why not limit gun purchases to ~ 1 or 2 a year, at least until we get the immigration thing under control? Surely it will reduce the flow of guns to criminals while still allowing responsible gun owners to purchase sufficient firepower to protect themselves.

What is a 65% serious crime ratio?


Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 28, 2013 - 07:31pm PT
limiting LEGAL gun purchase will do exaclty what happened with alchohol once upon a time. the black market will flourish for those with ill intent..Limiting gun collectors from their hobby will do nothing in reducing gun crimes. Nadda , zilch -zippohw. They arent the ones comitting them.


answer please:M s thirteen is THE most violnet gang in history. Well represented now here in the USA. Tell me why ANY "known" m s thirteen gang member should be allowed to stay here illegal or otherwise?


edit: Well since they are "known" members,, YES. Round them up or if needed shoot them up. Get that cancer the hell OUTTA HERE. Its UTTER nonsense to have an enemy right in your face spitting at your laws and driving the class of the country down. Period,, end o story. We can google sex crime folks - look at their pics,, but NOT gang members?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 28, 2013 - 07:34pm PT
Tell me why ANY "known" m s thirteen gang member should be allowed to stay here illegal or otherwise?

I don't think they should be allowed to stay. I think only those who are willing and determined to contribute to society should be allowed to stay. What do you suggest we do? Maybe some laws that make gang membership illegal in order to justify shipping them back or incarcerating them? Maybe just round up anyone who looks like they might be in said gang and ship them back?

What does gang membership have to do with being able to easily buy guns? You know the gangs are around. You have guns for self-protection. Do you need to run down to the gun store and buy a couple more a week depending on how many gang members you see on your way to the supermarket?

The black market is already flourishing... ask Chaz... mainly because anyone with a clean record can purchase 2 guns a week and sell them on the streets... EASY. NOT the case in England or ANY OTHER country with strict gun laws.

Prohibition of alcohol was an entirely different issue. Nobody was using alcohol specifically to kill others.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 28, 2013 - 07:42pm PT
Wes, i saw a local gang member - in colors with the tats at the local range shooting a fully auto Ak. So do i think assualt weapons should be banned? Hell no- theres a bazillion out there already and bans will ONLY prohibit LEGAL folks. Band aid on dry scab. I in my simplistic view, say get rid of that gang banger with the fully auto AK. But thats just me.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 28, 2013 - 07:52pm PT
I in my simplistic view... But thats just me.

Yep. Luckily many Merkins realize it ain't that easy.

Maybe you should just get all Gran Torino on their asses...

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 28, 2013 - 07:57pm PT
give me open reigns and i would quickly have a group to solve the gang problem of carson city. Id volunteer for that duty. This is MY home..MY lands..I risked myself in SAR,USFS, risked myself in wildfires too. Dont think i wont risk myself to clean the hood.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 28, 2013 - 08:09pm PT
I trust you. I'm sure you can just tell who's who and will only deal with those who pose a real problem. When you are done with that, maybe you could do something about the hippies and freaks and homos?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 28, 2013 - 08:11pm PT
hippies freaks and homos dont threaten me. Ive known many of each..


And , if the sheriff here can give accurate count numbers of "known" gang membrs, then they have their sweet lil faces on polaroid too.. That is how the list and targets would be determined. Bingo-bongo. Before we got half way through, the other half would already be gone..
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 28, 2013 - 08:13pm PT
What would you call this new gang of yours? I want to make sure I am easily recognized as part of your gang and not theirs.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 28, 2013 - 08:14pm PT
Already has a name. Id tell ya,, but id have to kill ya or youd have to JOIN...( it includes guys with names like "Manuel") DOH!


and we are not a gang, but a brigade.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 28, 2013 - 09:25pm PT
2nd amendment's got, probably, 12 more years before it gets repealed.


Hubris

conceit born of arrogance and naive insistant wishful thinking

nice, Joe, it's your only weakness and you just can't let it go

I got $10,000 that says you are flat wrong, I put MY money where my mouth is

how about it Joe? You are SO sure of yourself to state your "prediction" as a fact

wanna bet?
Reeotch

Trad climber
4 Corners Area
Mar 28, 2013 - 09:29pm PT
We had a lockdown at my school today for about 3 hours. That means nobody leaves the classroom, the lights are out, silence, students taking cover (literally) on the floor. (Try enforcing that with a bunch of 15 year olds)

Apparently, some students reported another student had brought a handgun on the school bus, and was showing it off along with a fully loaded ammo clip.

This kind of crap freaks me out as a teacher, but . . .

Let's look at the gun legislation currently being proposed: Background checks, and a ban on "assault weapons".

This kid was certainly not the owner of this firearm, so any kind of background check would not have done anything to stop him from bringing a gun to school. Likewise with Adam Lanza.

This was a handgun, so I don't think it would be covered under any of the legislation being proposed.

Original reports of the Sandy Hook massacre said they had recovered 3 or 4 handguns from the school building. They also reported (originally) that the assault weapon was recovered from Lanza's vehicle. They even showed footage of officers removing what looked like some kind of rifle from the trunk of a car. I only mention this because I remember watching the extensive news coverage that day, but you can also find these initial news reorts on the internet.

The situation at my school today could not have been prevented by any of the gun legislation currently being proposed, and it is doubtful that it would have stopped Adam Lanza either.

What do you think are the chances we could get a ban on handguns (which are responsible for the vast majority of gun murders)? Eh? What was that? About ZERO.

So, if we think we are going to solve the problem of gun violence by simply focusing on a one dimensional approach - gun control - we are seriously deluded.

pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Mar 28, 2013 - 09:31pm PT
Why does it always have to come down to the Mexican.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 28, 2013 - 09:38pm PT
So, if we think we are going to solve the problem of gun violence by simply focusing on a one dimensional approach - gun control - we are seriously deluded.

From my readings of the Federal registar, I was not aware that any proposed gun legislation would be one dimensional

In fact, banning or not banning any single of weapons is not even being considered

what is being talked about is universal background checks and tougher straw buyer penalties

there will also be much strong tracing of weapons, money for mental illness data checks, etc

got any other ideas?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 28, 2013 - 09:39pm PT
Let's look at the gun legislation currently being proposed: Background checks, and a ban on "assault weapons".

This kid was certainly not the owner of this firearm, so any kind of background check would not have done anything to stop him from bringing a gun to school.

bbbut, background checks don't appear in your list of currently proposed legislation.

Anyway, where do you think he got it? Serious question. Probably stole it right? From dad or uncle or brother or those of a friend? I'm guessing if/when they trace that gun it belongs to someone who purchased it legally... with no test required to ensure any level of responsibility... no licensing... nothing to ensure safe storage... no insurance... etc.

Just like Lanza.

When I built my deck I had to make an appointment with the County for a safety inspection... for a fuking deck, but not for guns! They measured how far of a drop it was to ensure it met County codes for safety. Why not anything like that for killing machines?
tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Mar 28, 2013 - 09:39pm PT
When I was a young teen I got my first weapons. You Americans are going to have daddy take all your guns away because even as adults you are inherently less able to own weapons than 13-year old me. No personal responsibility, just blanket laws.



I'm sorry your government has persuaded some of you to think this way!




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