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hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Mar 28, 2013 - 11:23pm PT
Oh, let's see hedge, waaaaaaay back where you said trading the lives of people unwilling to surrender their guns should be treated as being in "armed insurrection" and that trading their lives for the lives of those 12000 or so who are/have been murdered would be a fair trade. But then, of course, you could have changed your mind by now. Although if that was the case, I expect you could have moved away from the 12000 vs 35 argument you keep repeating over and over
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But hey... thanks for being predictable. You know, I bet you can't climb for sh#t any more or you might actually post somewhere else besides the gun sandbox and the republican rhetoric page.

If you weren't such a smug as#@&%e with a superiority complex, you might even stand a chance of making a valid point.

Lucky for me, I actually have a real life.
Bye now, have fun repeating yourself.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 28, 2013 - 11:31pm PT
This isn't "childish", Norton. It's US history.


oh my, but can't you shuck and jive

and completely miss the point


what is "childish" is YOUR asinine, constant "crowing" that because "liberals" won past social issue that it necessarily follows that they WILL "win" future ones

that kind of arrogance leads you to proclaim the 2nd Amendment will be repealed, in a ridiculously short time period, because 'liberals always win"

what is "childish" is YOUR using that exact presumption as a proof of some kind of moral superiority
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 28, 2013 - 11:32pm PT
If you weren't such a smug as#@&%e with a superiority complex, you might even stand a chance of making a valid point.


that's YOU, Joe

an arrogant ass hole
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 28, 2013 - 11:39pm PT
then you damn well ought to be ashamed of yourself and do something about it



like .......change
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 28, 2013 - 11:59pm PT
well Joe, since you still can't see yourself as others see you


Oh, let's see hedge, waaaaaaay back where you said trading the lives of people unwilling to surrender their guns should be treated as being in "armed insurrection" and that trading their lives for the lives of those 12000 or so who are/have been murdered would be a fair trade.


go ahead, Joe

don't "back down"

just keep on being what you are and how others see you, an arrogant and smug horse's ass

there, feel better? be true to yourself and all that

you know Joe, it's not always about being "right', being a decent human in how your communicate to others is kind of a good thing, yet you prove over and over how obnoxious you are at that
WBraun

climber
Mar 29, 2013 - 12:04am PT
yet you prove over and over how obnoxious you are

So are you Norton.

You're an obnoxious asszhole yourself.

I've known Joe for years.

He's all right dude.

This is his thing this gun sh!t and he draws the line in the sand.

I don't completely agree with him.

But tough sh!t for you Norton.

You're being whiny little bitch again .....
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 29, 2013 - 12:12am PT
Werner , with due respect,, Norton isnt any where near the class of ass some are here...
WBraun

climber
Mar 29, 2013 - 12:15am PT
Yeah I know that Ron.

I just love to give him sh!t just for sh!ts sake .....

:-)
WBraun

climber
Mar 29, 2013 - 12:19am PT
He's not that dumb Joe.

He's a lot sharper than he reveals here.

Don't fall for it.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 29, 2013 - 12:19am PT
WBraun

climber
Mar 29, 2013 - 12:31am PT
Actually Joe you are so lucky to have a guy Ron keeping the momentum of the topic going.

Who else the fuk would you debate besides maybe TGT?

LOL

Ron is blessing for these topics.

Don't be so hard on Ron.

He's a good human being besides all his faults.

Every one of us here have our own fuked up faults too ......
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Mar 29, 2013 - 12:43am PT
group hug...
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 29, 2013 - 11:28am PT
Can we stop with all the ad hominems and get back to criticizing people who display a glaring lack critical thinking skills?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 29, 2013 - 01:14pm PT
ill clu you guys in on something. In CALI,, ALL gun sales, the serial numbers and model ARE recorded through the DEPT of Justice. That is the only call LEOs need to make in Cali to discern the originating buyer of any gun.

So you see, the "registry" is already there- just like most all other states. Which is the way it should be. States being closer to home in their own issues. So a fed registry is once again, redundant , un needed and a waste of $$$. In addition,, many states already have laws on the books regarding the mentally ill and gun possesion..
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 29, 2013 - 01:29pm PT
That is the only call LEOs need to make in Cali to discern the originating buyer of any gun.

Is that because ALL guns used in CA crimes were purchased in CA? Makes perfect sense.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Mar 29, 2013 - 01:34pm PT

But I'm equally guilty of trying to pointlessly dance around the 2nd amendment...making me (almost) just as much of a nut.

As long as the 2nd exists, all debate about guns is bullshit - including Obama's and Biden's

The political courage and will needs to focus on changing the constitution, not on pointless gun laws


And eventually, it will.

Well that makes sense if you think laws requiring background checks, forbidding private ownership of machine guns, howitzers, etc. are unconstitutional. But most grown-ups recognize there are limitations on virtually every "right" in the constitution, even ones like freedom of speech. The laws that were struck down by the USSC basically completely outlawed types of guns commonly and historically used for self-defense, and the USSC said that's going too far. Still lots of room for reasonable regulation.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 29, 2013 - 01:40pm PT
Any gun sold in Cali wes..Each gun sold has a record of its serial number and model number in hard copy and MOST are also on computer files which are now being monitored by the feds. See the NDAA 2013 legislation for "cyber" and "clandestine" sections.

The MAIN reason the feds want a fed registry is a place in which to shove their fingers. Many politicians have long range goals of dissarming the American public. Not for their safety by any means. If the feds were AT ALL woried abut you and i, they would cease giving BILLIONS of dollars annually to our enemies abroad.. Instead we are fighting all over the place, flying b-2s over Korea and supplying BOTH sides of the Isreali and Syrian war.???
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 29, 2013 - 01:48pm PT
Ron, you really believe most guns used in crimes were originally (legally) purchased in that state? You really see no benefit to having a federal registry to help law enforcement expedite their search, rather than individually searching records from all 50 states?

The MAIN reason the feds want a fed registry is a place in which to shove their fingers.

Translation: the MAIN reason gun nuts are opposed to the ideas is because they think the government will come after their guns.

Christ, don't you just love this world of paranoia and outrageous speculation?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 29, 2013 - 02:00pm PT
Wes,, what we speak of is after the fact. As far as licensed dealers, gun stores etc. That info is on computers which are being tapped as we speak. This is all in that five miles of sub sections of the NDAA 2013 legislation.
So they already have thier avenues for investigation after the fact.

And when it comes to law abiding citizenry, it is no ones business what they have- be it fire arms, cars, bars or how much beer they can have per night. We see the proof of what i say in that NDAA 2013 pile. Obama took what bush did with the patriot act even further, as all have done for some time now. One little chisel at a time to be subtle..The technique is just like gas prices, which shoot up farther that ever before, then relax a few pennys backwards to keep the comfy feeling to the consumer.
Also consider that thee has been talk in Washington if "civil unrest" for a few years now. This could explain those empty concentration camps and mass grave sites that set idle. That definitly explains the feds wanting a fed register of guns too. So they know exaclty what any person has in the way of fire arms.. WHY do they need to know that of law abiding citizenry? It wont stop or hamper criminal activities.



so you tell me Wes: Fema grave sites coffins and liners, DHS, IRS, SS and many other agencies ordering massive amounts of hollow point ammo as well as urban assualt vehicles and the NDAA 2013 sections .. I ask you, what does all this indicate? They arent using urban assualt vehicles for anything here in the past. But they are ordering them now.?? And since when did so many agencies order so much ammo? Ive never known such numbers before. Do you not wonder a little about all of this?


Ive heard rumor that Washington fully expects an economic disaster ahead and is preparing for that civil unrest they speak of, and if i were to prepare for such an event, i would be doing exaclty what they are currently.
pud

climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
Mar 29, 2013 - 02:50pm PT
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