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Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 28, 2013 - 05:53pm PT
Actually,

WHY does the form specifically ask if a gun buyer is LATINO or HISPANIC anyway?

WHY would it matter?

Hispanics who are US citizens own guns legally just like any other race or ethnicity.

So to me, the FFL form does seem to be discriminatory.


Here is what a PRO gun website says about it, and I think they bring up this point very well.


]Where previously the form asked a general question about the purchasers’ race (ethnicity), the section now requires Americans in the Hispanic community to designate themselves as such.

Curiously, the form’s “Race” section has been divided into two parts. Section 10a, now labeled “Ethnicity,” requires you to check off whether you’re “Hispanic or Latino” or “Not Hispanic or Latino.” The new 4473 document’s 10b section no longer includes Hispanics or Latinos as a race.

Boasting a US population density of 16.3%, Hispanics, in general, encompass a large portion of the gun owning community. Given this fact, the change, that went into effect early July with little to no press or fanfare, has left many gun owners baffled as to why the ATF is singling out Hispanics.

Evan Nappen, General Counsel of Pro-Gun New Hampshire, reported on the alteration as a blatant form of racism, asking, “What if the “ethnicity” question demanded “Jew or Not a Jew”? Would that “ethnicity” question be acceptable? Like the Hispanic/Latino question, it is offensive and not necessary. It has nothing whatsoever to do with one’s qualification to purchase a gun.”



Infowars’ Matt Williams asked a Houston ATF public relations spokesperson why the change had gone into effect and why it specifically targeted Hispanic and Latino Americans. The ATF told us the change had been implemented by White House order of the Obama Administration’s Office of Management and Budget and has been ordered across the board nationally to be carried with all federal agencies.

Further investigation provided no answers as to why the minority group has been singled out, and no conclusive evidence shows that any other ATF form, or government agency for that matter, has adopted the protocol. Even the form licensing home manufacture of



firearms/class 3 weapons (i.e. machine guns, suppressors, etc.) does not include this stipulation.[
/http://usahitman.com/arphgo/]
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Mar 28, 2013 - 05:55pm PT
When people come here from third world countries, they are often in the lowest socio-economic groups here. They wind up in high population density areas, which is the single largest factor in murder rates.

I suppose since they love their children so much, then they must have a strong desire to be criminals even more. Anderson logic.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 28, 2013 - 05:58pm PT
Do you think third world influences here are responsible for much of the homicides?

Not specifically "third world influences" but poverty certainly. That and the fact that anyone can easily send their nephews to the store to buy 2 guns a week.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 28, 2013 - 06:04pm PT
jeees mono,, when you get real, lemme know..

And Wes, we never needed DHS unmarked helos here in the past. We now have daily flights.. Due to a third world influnce ( cartels and thier branchlings)


edit: And Norton, just by a rough survey between the bay area news and my local news , 65% of serious crimes being perpetrated are by third world type people. That being recorded as either hispanic or non hispanic like the brady check does. My own survey recorded in a planner. Over a years worth of periodic news reports in there, certainly not ALL but a good sampling.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 28, 2013 - 06:10pm PT
we never needed DHS unmarked helos here in the past. We now have daily flights

Yeah, the world changes. Crazy eh? If you look back far enough we didn't need borders or border patrols because we didn't even have "Mexicans" here in the past.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 28, 2013 - 06:11pm PT
Well it sure seems to me that the Obama administration agrees with Ron.

After all, they added the Hispanic/ Latino question to the FFL form.

Obama is clearly targeting Hispanics as border arrests and deportations are at the highest level in US history right now.

This proves Obama is a rascist, hates brown people.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 28, 2013 - 06:14pm PT
That may be Norton,, but we just let 5000 of em loose from jail at the same time-- quite confusing ..


and Yeah Wes thngs change- now there are parts of AZ you and i can not go see..I would have never dreamt that as a child. Closing week end of the quail season, my brother was denied access to a canyon he hunts by Border patrols on quads due to it being to dangerous from armed "immigrants"..
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 28, 2013 - 06:19pm PT
same ol out of context bullsyt i wont be responding at.

Like i said mono, you dont identify yourself and you parrot the same ol..

Your not real..
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Mar 28, 2013 - 06:20pm PT
Several people here on ST know me, Anderson. I don't know you. Should I conclude you are not real?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 28, 2013 - 06:22pm PT
Good point on the letting go of low level detainees,

The House Republicans cut funding to that agency.

So unnecessary but they control all spending.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 28, 2013 - 06:24pm PT
Norton,, its a dem and repub thing. More minions for votes and control over- one side or the other.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 28, 2013 - 06:28pm PT
No Ron,

Repeat, the house Repubs controll ALL gov spending

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 28, 2013 - 06:30pm PT
So Obama comes up with dream acts and amnesties and the repubs wanted those jailed illegals freed? In other words, its a dem and repub thing?;-)
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 28, 2013 - 06:34pm PT
mono google ron anderson- climber or ron anderson -taxidermist..

read away...
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Mar 28, 2013 - 06:45pm PT
Anderson, google S-A-R-C-A-S-M.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 28, 2013 - 06:57pm PT
So Obama comes up with dream acts and amnesties and the repubs wanted those jailed illegals freed? In other words, its a dem and repub thing?;-)


no Ron

President Obama did not "come up" with the Dream Act, it has been discussed for at least 30 years
He simply said that he would support such legislation IF congress passed it.

And no, President Obama did not "come up" with "amnesty".

Republican President REAGAN gave AMNESTY to 15 million illegals.

so, NO, it was a NOT a "dem or repub thing"
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 28, 2013 - 07:00pm PT
He IS bringing it up again Norton. There are plenty of speeches where he preaches that on the u toob...

The fact that they released 5000 illegals that had already comitted crimes to be jailed for wasny an "unkown" to the whitehouse either. The fact that my local LEOs can do NOTHING about illegals being "known" gang members here until AFTER they commit a crime and get caught also tells me the real story ..
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 28, 2013 - 07:01pm PT
How do stricter regulations on gun sales infringe on anyone's right to have or bear arms?



The fact that my local LEOs can do NOTHING about illegals being "known" gang members here until AFTER they commit a crime and get caught also tells me the real story

What is the REAL story Ron?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 28, 2013 - 07:10pm PT
Some of them dont.. While some proposals out there are luncay.

Weve seen suggestions of including the use of certain prescriptions as a factor for gun owner ship, yet that violates dr/patient confidence claus.

Weve heard the term universal, but not how that differs from back ground checks already being done. The brady check is identical in every state. It is a federal form.

We now see attempts at magazine bans resulting in a whole secnd and a half to two seconds of time delay per reload of a smaller mag. And ibbi-duh ibbi-duh ibbiduh...


What this ALL was, was the gubbmint jumping on an opportunity to test the American public to see how far they could make it in one jump so- to speak. The obvious mainstream media along with them.




Wes, When i asked ,, i was told it is current FED policies that prevent them from rounding up those illegal gang bagers and bussing them back over baja. Being in a "gang" can mean many things and isnt illegal AS SUCH, yet being an illegal to begin with in a gang must qualify the same. Now if I was an illegal in mexico doing those crimes,, my head would be on a fence post and my ass would be planted sunny side up.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 28, 2013 - 07:19pm PT
i was told it is current FED policies that prevent them from rounding up those illegal gang bagers and bussing them back over baja

You mean FED policies like...

In Yick Wo v. Hopkins, a case involving the rights of Chinese immigrants, the Court ruled that the 14th Amendment's statement, "Nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws," applied to all persons "without regard to any differences of race, of color, or of nationality," and to "an alien, who has entered the country, and has become subject in all respects to its jurisdiction, and a part of its population, although alleged to be illegally here."

Now if I was an illegal in mexico doing those crimes,, my head would be on a fence post and my ass would be planted sunny side up.

Yeah, those damn FED regulations really suck. We should be more like Mexico.
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