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Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 8, 2013 - 05:07pm PT
criminals,, have had access to guns since they were invented. Black markets were born in the revolution here.

blah blah blah. That has nothing to do with gun regulations. Put your straw man back in your pocket.

The vast majority of guns used in crimes are purchased legally. Only a small percentage of those guns make it onto the streets by way of theft. The vast majority are sold by original (legal) purchaser to people who cannot purchase them legally. Stricter background checks, stricter record keeping requirements, and stiffer penalties for illegal sales will do NOTHING to hurt legal gun owners like yourself.

Have a nice day Ron.

Mar 8, 2013 - 05:16pm PT
"The way the laws are currently enforced, your desire for easy access to sporting goods results in criminals having easier access to guns."

Those who advocate the loudest for the 2nd amendment are the gun-toting criminal's best friend, obviously. They insist they'll be defenseless against the very criminals they did their level best to arm in the first place. Meanwhile those of us who are neither gun nut nor criminal get to watch our society degenerate into brainless mayhem, dumbed down to the same neanderthal-level mentality that the gun nuts and the criminals both share.

Why gun nuts chose to ignore this paradox (or are just too dumb to see it) is a mystery.

Mar 8, 2013 - 06:49pm PT
Your daily dose of FREEDOM

HELENA, Mont. (AP) — A northwestern Montana man shot and killed the host of the Sportsman Channel show "A Rifleman's Journal" in an apparent jealous rage while the TV personality was visiting the shooter's wife, police said Friday.

Wayne Bengston, 41, then beat his wife, took his 2-year-old son to a relative's house and drove to his home about 25 miles away in West Glacier, where he killed himself, Whitefish Police Chief Bill Dial said.

"It's pretty much an open-and-closed case. Homicide and suicide," Dial said.

Police identified the shooting victim as Gregory G. Rodriguez, 43, of Sugar Land, Texas. Bengston's wife told police that Rodriguez was in town on business and visiting her at her mother's house in Whitefish when her husband showed up Thursday at about 10:30 p.m.

Rodriguez and the woman, who works for a firearms manufacturer in the Flathead Valley, met at a trade show and struck up a casual relationship that police do not believe was romantic, Dial said.

She and Rodriguez were sitting at the kitchen table, talking over a glass of wine, when Bengston entered the house and shot Rodriguez, Dial said.

He then beat his wife on the face and head, most likely with the pistol, he said. She was treated at a hospital and released.

"I think it was a jealous husband, but this is all conjecture," Dial said.

After the shooting was reported, Flathead County sheriff's deputies found Bengston's truck parked in his driveway. Efforts by a police SWAT team to contact Bengston inside the house were unsuccessful, and officers found his body with what appeared to be a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head, police said.

Besides appearing on TV, Rodriguez was the founder and CEO of Global Adventure Outfitters. According to the company's website, he was an editor at Shooting Times Magazine and a contributing editor at Petersen's Hunting, Guns & Ammo and Dangerous Game.

He was a mortgage banker before founding Global Adventure Outfitters and has hunted in 21 countries, the website says.

"A Rifleman's Journal" tracks Rodriguez's hunting travels to exotic locations, according to a Sportsman Channel description.

He has {had} a wife and two children, it says.

A woman who answered the phone at Global Adventure Outfitters confirmed that Rodriguez had been in Montana but said the organization would not be making a statement at the time.

Bengston worked for the U.S. Forest Service, Dial said.


God Bless America!!!


Trad climber
Western America
Mar 8, 2013 - 07:12pm PT
jghedge -got to be some back story on this guy. Wine at the kitchen table does not merit drawing on the wife's guest.

Shooter had a separate residence from his wife and was a
USFS employee it said so he had free health care.
First thing is find out what kind of prescription drugs
his doctor had him on.

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 8, 2013 - 07:26pm PT
Why is that the first question to ask? He did not use the drugs to kill anyone? Why wouldn't the first question be "where did he get the gun?"

If was determined that he got it legally, the second question would be what prescription drugs was he on and WHY THE FUK was he allowed to own a gun while taking crazy drugs?

Mar 8, 2013 - 07:28pm PT
"First thing is find out what kind of prescription drugs
his doctor had him on. "

You're right. Whatever drugs he was on, we need to get more gun nuts on them. Apparently they suppressed his gun-nut instinct to blast the wife and kid too.

Mar 8, 2013 - 08:14pm PT
Uhmm, can't believe you guys didn't make hay of this. I realize I'm mostly invisible on here, but here it is again for those that missed it and might find it worthy-

Gun violence annual cost: $12 billion


WASHINGTON — Gunshot wounds and deaths cost Americans at least $12 billion a year in court proceedings, insurance costs and hospitalizations paid for by government health programs, according to a recent study.

"I think people probably don't understand that as well as they ought to," said Ted Miller, author of a study that found that gunfire deaths and injuries incur a direct societal cost of $32 per gun.

About 20 years ago, Miller calculated the costs to society of shooting injuries and deaths with funding from the National Institute of Justice. He decided to run the numbers again this year after the shooting at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn.

"I was surprised," Miller said. "Back in 1994, the costs of drunk driving were substantially higher, but it has reversed."

Miller found that total costs per injury had at least doubled or come close for medical care, psychiatric care, court cases, insurance and emergency transport. For example, in 1992, medical care for a fatal shooting averaged $14,500. In 2010, that number reached $28,700.

He found that medical care in 2010 cost $3.2 billion for 105,177 deaths and injuries. In 1992, medical care cost $3 billion for 171,800 deaths and injuries, including 31,674 BB gun shootings, which were not included in the 2010 numbers.

According to government statistics analyzed by Miller for the Pacific Institute for Research and Evaluation, costs to the government in 2010 broke down this way:

• $5.4 billion in tax revenue lost because of lost work

• $4.7 billion in court costs

• $1.4 billion in Medicare and Medicaid costs for firearm injuries and deaths

• $180 million in mental health care costs for gunshot victims

• $224 million in insurance claims processing

• $133 million for responding to shooting injuries

Miller also found that Medicaid covers 28% of hospital admissions for firearm injuries, 37% of hospital days and 42% of medical costs. But in another study, he found that even if people weren't on Medicaid when they were injured, about 8% ultimately enroll in Medicaid after their injuries. "So about half of the medical costs borne by Medicaid may be the best estimate," he said.

A 2012 study by the Vanderbilt Medical Center in Nashville found that 79% of gunshot victims in greater Nashville were enrolled in Medicaid. That compared with 45% of Medicaid enrollment for all other emergency room patients. African-American patients were three times more likely to be gunshot victims than were white patients, the study showed.

Manish Sethi, a trauma surgeon at Vanderbilt University and a researcher for the study, said his team decided to look at the numbers after seeing "a bunch of African-American kids with gunshot wounds" coming through the emergency room. "We have to do something."

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 8, 2013 - 08:31pm PT
Thats hardly a representative study^^ They dont even mention encarseration costs deportations etc etc.

Illegal immigration cost Cali last year: 10 Billion dollars.

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 8, 2013 - 08:37pm PT
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Mar 8, 2013 - 08:48pm PT
Stefan Jacobsen, after seeing Green Butchers I feel safer in the US than in Denmark.

Mar 8, 2013 - 08:54pm PT
Incarceration is under "Criminal Justice".

Here's the organization, if you want to take them apart:
Stefan Jacobsen

Trad climber
Mar 8, 2013 - 09:33pm PT
Svend: You don't threaten me with that animal! Please point that giraffe in another direction so we can get back to a pretty normal dialogue!
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 9, 2013 - 04:10pm PT
So i see many Colo Sheroffs are wanting the AG of Colo to investigate THREATS against them all the way to SENATE level for not towing the "fed" line on proposed magazine bans..

Uncle monkey coming down on local LEOS for NOT towing a FED LINE?? HUH?? Sates rights ?? Intimidation against good local LEOs?

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 9, 2013 - 09:08pm PT

Gabby Gifford's husband signing the paperwork to buy a ,45 auto pistol and an AR-15 at Diamondback Police Supply in Tuscon, AZ yesterday.

Now he says he really didn't want it.

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Mar 9, 2013 - 09:22pm PT
awsome video. do you think it is edited or did the professional(fake) Russian almost get killed by that door?

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 9, 2013 - 09:25pm PT
Well TGT, just for once why don't you bother to get the facts right before you twist something around.

Mark E. Kelly, gun-control proponent and husband to former Congresswoman Gabby Giffords, recently purchased an AR-15 (an "assault weapon," he called it)—which he now says he intended as an illustration of the need for more stringent gun laws.

Kelly reportedly bought the AR-15 and a 1911-style semi-automatic pistol at Diamondback Police Supply in Tucson, Arizona.

Various sources contacted Breitbart News once Kelly made the purchase, and after we began investigating the details surrounding the purchase, Kelly announced on his Facebook that he was not going to keep the AR-15, which he has yet to pick up from the store

see the difference yet?

let me explain it, he bought the weapon to illustrate how easy it is in America to buy an assault rifle, and because he had no use for it he did not bother to pick it up at the store

if you recall, many people were murdered along with his wife being shot in the head by a rabid right wing moron who was all fired up by right wing talk radio hatred of democrats, so much so that he came to her speaking engagement with the intent of killing her, just as Sarah Palin had subtly suggested days before on her website by showing Gabriella's head with cross hairs on it along with some other Democratic congressmen who voted for the ACA.

get it yet, TGT?

SF bay area
Mar 9, 2013 - 09:29pm PT
The producer for the fake Russian is dead. Killed January 6th, with a close shot to the head. Surrounded by his own guns.

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Mar 9, 2013 - 09:36pm PT
what does that have to do with the blown up truck?

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 9, 2013 - 09:59pm PT
he had no use for it he did not bother to pick it up at the store

He can't pick it up until the mandatory waiting period is up.

Same for the pistol.

Sounds more to me like a change of heart once he knew he was photographed.

And, his wife was shot with a pistol not a rifle.

He evidently believes that it's ok for him to own that.

SF bay area
Mar 9, 2013 - 10:10pm PT
He showed how simple it was to get a background check, so every purchaser should. You do have to wait for the AR-15, not the handgun.

The photo comes from his own facebook page.

But it's fun watching you spin the story.

Looks like the judiciary committee will vote on background checks next week. I just had a background check a few days ago when I went to my local gun store to buy a 45. As I was leaving, I noticed a used AR-15. Bought that too. Even to buy an assault weapon, the background check only takes a matter of minutes. I don't have possession yet but I'll be turning it over to the Tucson PD when I do. Scary to think of people buying guns like these without a background check at a gun show or the Internet. We really need to close the gun show and private seller loop hole.
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