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Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Mar 27, 2013 - 02:47pm PT
It does amaze me how the conservative angle often seems to be based on selective outrage.

Wow. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Oh shoot, I said black. Am I a racist? Oh sh#t, I said shoot. Am I a gun nut?

Suddenly it's wrong to criticize prominent political figures after they are dead ?

I hope nobody says anything negative about Hitler. That would be unfair.

Reduction to the absurd. Heston did his best to stand for what he thought was great about America, and stood proudly against racial discrimination. You are free to disagree with him about guns, but Carey, in his ridicule, has offended a lot of people. And comparing Heston to Hitler? Please.

Only when your principles include allowing states to continue discrimination.

Goldwater thought that the Civil Rights Act went beyond Federal powers in the constitution. I, personally, have a hard time finding the rightness of his position. However, he took this position while at the same time advocating for the cause of the NAACP and the civil rights cause. The complexity of his position and the apparent contradiction was too much for people to process, and still is it seems.

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 27, 2013 - 03:05pm PT
Goldwater thought that the Civil Rights Act went beyond Federal powers in the constitution.

You mean the part of the Constitution that says....

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

...

The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

I can see how he might get that idea... it is a little arbitrarily worded... haha.

The complexity of his position and the apparent contradiction was too much for people to process, and still is it seems.

He was a politician who clearly twisted whatever he could in an attempt to get votes. I find it funny that conservatives don't hesitate to paint their folks as "complex" and somehow beyond our comprehension (hahaha) when they do it, but flip-floppers/etc when liberals do it.

Wake up! They are all politicians. You want to call Dems out on their apparent contradictions, you should be willing to call conservatives (yes, even dead conservatives) out on their similar bullsh#t. Otherwise you are a silly hypocrite.

Luckily the Merkin people saw through the bullshit and voted appropriately.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Mar 27, 2013 - 03:17pm PT
And pretending that Paul McCartney doesn't use private security? Looks to me like he spends million on it. For that kind of dough they had better be armed.

http://www.scotsman.com/business/interview-mark-hamilton-security-adviser-to-paul-mccartney-1-1354519

MeChrist you skipped the part where I said I have a hard time finding the rightness of his position.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 27, 2013 - 03:18pm PT
K, I'm not talking about you... I never was... I'm talking about Goldwater. It isn't all about you...jeesh!

:)
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Mar 27, 2013 - 03:20pm PT
K, I'm not talking about you... I never was... I'm talking about Goldwater. It isn't all about you...jeesh!

...You want to call Dems out on their apparent contradictions, you should be willing to call conservatives (yes, even dead conservatives) out on their similar bullsh#t. Otherwise you are a silly hypocrite.

Okay then. Somehow I got the wrong idea. Cheers..:-)
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 27, 2013 - 03:23pm PT
Sorry, I was using the plural form of "you" referring to all conservatives. I'm in one of those hazy stream of consciousness states and things are coming out unparsed. It isn't the first time I have heard conservative views painted as just too complex for "us" to understand.

I guess I should have used "yous" or "yall."
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 27, 2013 - 03:39pm PT
He might now...
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Mar 27, 2013 - 03:39pm PT
I know for a fact that hockey pro Russ courtnal sold his home to Brit spears. Russ say's he don't like the children to grow up near armed guards so they move to the out skirts of west lake. So yeah armed cops can wear the heat.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Mar 27, 2013 - 04:14pm PT
Heston did his best to stand for what he thought was great about America, and stood proudly against racial discrimination.

Heston was a political figure that took a strong position on a controversial issue. He's fair game for satire.

You are free to disagree with him about guns, but Carey, in his ridicule, has offended a lot of people. And comparing Heston to Hitler?

You've demonstrated my point on selective outrage pretty well with that one.

Nobody is comparing Heston to Hitler other than pointing out that they are both dead. Which is the theme of the latest flavor of political correctness from the right: It's now "offensive" to criticize dead pople.

So now that we've redefined a new type of "offensive" language, I'm sure we'll be hearing all about any breaches of decorum next time Hannity or Limbaugh has something to say about (deceased) FDR.

TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 27, 2013 - 04:19pm PT
The Neo-Feudalists believe that ony nobility grants the right to arms.

Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Mar 27, 2013 - 04:40pm PT
Okay guys, to begin with I have expressed no outrage, simply made observations. And yes I know some people who are offended by the sendup of Heston. Personally I don't find Carey's piece amusing, but if it floats your boat you can have it.

And I never said said texting while driving is "tantamount to murder." What I said was that texting while driving, or driving while otherwise impaired such as being drunk, is a conscious choice so if you kill someone as a result it is murder. I know a lot of folks would call it a simple accident. I see it differently since one persons death came about because another person chose to act illegally.

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 27, 2013 - 04:47pm PT
Ksolem,, so many sheeples so stupid, MUST be micro managed to not text and drive at the same time. And people buy off on that. Yes, texting and driving amount to murder through stupidity. Stupid should hurt.


meanwhile:m Carrey Admits He Has An Armed Bodyguard
rightwingnews.com ^ | 26 March 2013 | John Hawkins


Edited on 3/27/2013
After making news for doing a tired “humor” video mocking gun owners, whom he also called (bleep) Jim Carrey announced today on twitter that his armed bodyguard “doesn’t have a hundred rounds in his clip.”
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 27, 2013 - 04:51pm PT
He pulled a "jane(hanoi) fonda" Coz..
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Mar 27, 2013 - 04:51pm PT
Heston was an actor. He got paid to pretend he was somebody else. That hardly makes him a hero.

Heston and Carey have basically the same job, except that Carey at least writes a lot of his own stuff.

When Heston signed up for the NRA gig, he was either a complete sham or a complete sucker.

The NRA is not a rights organization, they are a lobby for an industry.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Mar 27, 2013 - 04:52pm PT
Yeah Coz. I'm done (once again) with Hedges foolishness. My list of album credits as a recording engineers is more than 400, many of which were platinum hits by superstars. Most of these people, when they are out and about, have armed guards and many pack themselves. And the best security is rarely seen.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Mar 27, 2013 - 05:01pm PT
Here's the post which you are attempting to quote.

And how many people are intentionally killed with cars?

"Are DUI, speeding, reckless driving, texting while driving, using a cell phone while driving - in other words the causes of most accidents - not intentional acts?

The driver made a choice to put their own and other people's well being at risk. That is intentional. Of course I understand that such a driver is not choosing the specific person they will harm or kill, so instead of murder one they should get manslaughter, but the majority of car accidents are caused by the decisions and actions of drivers.

I suppose you could actually argue that cars don't kill, drivers do..."
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Mar 27, 2013 - 05:07pm PT
Legal scholars already had this conversation, a long time ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malice_aforethought

..along with a bunch of other terms.

There is no simple definition of "murder" or "negligence" ... which is basically what you guys are debating.

There has been a gazillion pages of arguments written trying to define these things.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Mar 27, 2013 - 05:13pm PT
It is ludicrous [...]

Speaking of...

I lived next door to Chris Bridges in LA and I never saw any security. I'd see him at the nearby grocery store sometimes by himself.

Some of his friends were pretty big dudes, but they were all very polite and smoked a lot of weed. Not exactly "secret service" types.

Anybody who lives in West LA runs into celebrities occasionally. They don't have security with them most of the time. Danny Devito once bumped into my shopping cart at the Pavillions in Beverly Hills. I didn't realize it was him until he spoke. He was with his daughter, and I watched them get in his car and drive away without anyone else.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Mar 27, 2013 - 05:17pm PT
WHAT? NO, IT ISN'T!!!!

Are you crazy?

Dude I did a search of my old posts for "texting while driving" and copied and pasted it.

That's it word for word the exact post from Feb 2013.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 27, 2013 - 05:31pm PT
(Hrrrmmmmmmfffff ! cough cough ,,chorlte,, guffaw,,, )


Coffee on the keboard,, thanks Coz...
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