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Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 28, 2013 - 01:45am PT
Different mindset in Canada. Any law-abiding Canadian who wants a gun can get one. Their gun violence rates are lower partly because fewer Canadians want guns, and even fewer feel the need to use one.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Mar 28, 2013 - 02:20am PT
I gotta give it to Hedge for endurance. I left the computer for 9 hours to go hiking, bouldering, and a Yoga class followed by dinner with my beautiful wife. So I come back to take a peek, and he's been here the whole time.

FACT: That is unreal. Credit where credit is due, the guy sticks to his guns! Oh wait, that can't be right...
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 28, 2013 - 02:40am PT
Their gun violence rates are lower ALMOST CERTAINLY because...

of lower population densities.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Mar 28, 2013 - 09:56am PT
America's just more violent. Any way you want to measure it. And we should be. It's in our genetics.

Did you really say that Chaz? Did you say it with a straight face?
"And we should be".
WTF! Did the genome project Map an American violence gene? Really?
Well then that explains it. Nothing can be done about because as Chaz says"It's in our genetics".
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 28, 2013 - 12:09pm PT
He may have a point Philo. Just look at this thread- insults, attacks name calling.. All displayed rather frequntly by some here. They even share their dream of apache helos cutting down US citizens because they dont think the way he does. Fairly Violent outlook there eh? And that from an anti-gun nut. We have hollyweird actors flipping the bird to the masses because they dont think like him..

So confrontation and violence are quite deep seated. Has been that way for people here since the Native Americans, which were expert at violence slavery and other confrontational aspects..
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Mar 28, 2013 - 12:27pm PT
Violence is genetic sheesh! It shows the mentality of those on the right! If anything violence is in our culture, and that's exactly what this thread should be about trying to change that.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 28, 2013 - 12:31pm PT
Yeah, it is confrontational when a comedian does it... but when the POTUS does it I suppose it is classy?



I suppose yelling out "YOU LIE" during a congressional address is just honest and open debate, too?



If anything violence is in our culture, and that's exactly what this thread should be about trying to change that.

Or at least reducing the availability of lethal tools used to express that violence.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 28, 2013 - 12:45pm PT
Our culture?? Really what about the rest of the world.. Are they not violent in the ME,, Asia,, Europe?? The central and south American countries are at the top of the violence chart. Do you remember a time where a war wasnt being fought somewhere? QWe are sinmply the alpha predatrs of the planet.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 28, 2013 - 12:47pm PT
Oh for fuk sakes Ron... of course other people are violent all over the world... that is what makes the "violence is in our genes" comment so fuking stoopid...


BUT

THEY

DON'T

HAVE

AS

EASY

ACCESS

TO

FIREARMS!!!!

This is fun:
http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2013-03-27/news/fl-boynton-road-rage-20130327_1_road-rage-incident-west-boynton-man-road-rage-incidents
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 28, 2013 - 12:57pm PT
If you make legal access to firearms too hard, you'll end up making it much easier to get a gun.

Prohibition ALWAYS creates black markets.

The Black Market doesn't do background checks, or check I.D.s, or enforce *waiting periods*. No. The Black Market delivers right to your house, with just a phone call. Only question asked is "you have cash"?

Think through your plan again, Weschrist, and this time take The Law Of Unintended Consequences into consideration.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 28, 2013 - 01:00pm PT
If you make legal access to firearms too hard, you'll end up making it much easier to get a gun.


Yeah, that makes sense... since most guns on the streets get there through straw sales... you know, like any criminal who doesn't have a felony can legally buy one gun a month and sell it to their neighbor... no tracking, no followups, no reporting of high volume purchasers... the gun manufacturers like it that way, which is why they pay the NRA so much to lobby and brainwash morains.

No need to increase regulations/oversight...
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=129253&page=1#.UVR4NldvBao
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 28, 2013 - 01:05pm PT
And I can make a phone call or two and get as many guns as I can afford today. No paperwork. The Black Market is already up-and-running. Trust me. I've participated in underground trade on many levels.

You really want to give the Black Market a big boost? Give it a monopoly.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 28, 2013 - 01:08pm PT
And I can make a phone call or two and get as many guns as I can afford today.

Where did those guns originally come from? How did your seller get them?

Don't be a dumb ass. It has been shown the vast majority of guns on the streets (black market) come from straw sales or corrupt gun shops. Clearly stricter regulations and prosecution would slow down the flow of guns into the streets. If you can't see that you are a fool.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 28, 2013 - 01:09pm PT
yes, and the 499 other million guns have killed no one. Failry good track record considering. Not to mention guns prevent far more crimes and homicides per year than they commit.. FAR more.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Mar 28, 2013 - 01:19pm PT
Anderson is also the guy who says murder rates are going up and down at the same time, within 10 minutes.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 28, 2013 - 01:29pm PT
Of every 10 firearm homicide victims killed at the shooter’s residence:6 were intimate partners or family members, 3 were friends or acquaintances, 1 was a stranger.

One of 10 firearm homicides in the shooter’s home was considered justifiable (shooter was not an assailant).

http://www.apps.cdph.ca.gov/epicdata/firearms/gunownstore.htm
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 28, 2013 - 01:40pm PT
Weschrist,

Is it possible to use a gun defensively without shooting someone, or even firing it?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 28, 2013 - 01:40pm PT
According to FBI Uniform Crime Reports (UCR), in 2011 there were 12,664 murders and 653 justifiable homicides (of which 393 were performed by law enforcement) in the United States. Over previous years this reflects a decline in criminal homicide and an increase in homicides reported as justifiable (for 2008 UCR listed 14,180 murders, 616 justifiable homicides (of which 371 were by law enforcement). The UCR states that the justifiable homicide statistic does not represent eventual adjudication by medical examiner, coroner, district attorney, grand jury, trial jury or appellate court.[102] Few US jurisdictions allow a police crime report to adjudicate a homicide as justifiable and in any given year fifteen to twenty states do not report such statistics to FBI UCR, resulting in an undercount in the UCR table. The vast majority of defensive gun uses (DGUs) do not involve killing or wounding an attacker, with government surveys showing 108,000 (NCVS) to 23 million (raw NSPOF) DGUs per year,[103] with ten private national surveys showing 764,000 to 3.6 million DGU per year.[104]
[edit]Politics





So go ahead anti gun knutts- coo-coo-ca-chew on those figures.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 28, 2013 - 01:46pm PT
also from Wikipedia,, 2/3 of gun deaths in the US are suicides..
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 28, 2013 - 01:47pm PT
Monolith,

Is it possible to use a gun defensively without shooting someone, or even firing it?
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