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Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 24, 2013 - 03:18pm PT
Senate proposes law, representatives vote on them.

well, here in the USA either the Senate OR the House can "create" and vote on ALMOST all legislation (spending being the exception)

however, ONLY the House can originate "spending" bills, per our Constitution
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 24, 2013 - 03:21pm PT
"in what way is it "cowardly" to vote FOR something that "90% of americans" (i.e. 90% of voters) support?"

that is NOT what happened

background checks are supported by 90% of the public, yet it was voted down as in NO

see how this is the opposite of what your thought process came up with?

it would be cowardly to vote against the wishes of the people who elected you
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
May 2, 2013 - 01:42am PT
How about a straight-up nickel-per-resident tax to pay for mental health programs?

Oh wait... it's the gun nuts fault that people are nuts. I see now.
Some people use guns irresponsibly, so lets just f*#k all of them.

Hmmm... some rockclimbers bolt irresponsibly, so let's just ban rock climbing.

How long will it take to destroy a society internally simply by restricting the majority for the actions of a minority? What will it take? Oh my god no... we can't punish the individual, we have to pass a blanket prohibition that affects everyone! That's the way this country works! That's how we get things done! F*#k everyone! It's for the greater good!

I'll be out this weekend bolting some useless choss at a trail near you, for those of you who give a sh#t. Maybe do a little chipping, just for good measure. Auburn Quarry maybe? I should teach my dog to run a hammer drill to pass the time between goose kebabs.
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
May 2, 2013 - 02:43am PT
Why bother? There's too many people in the world anyway. After all, it's the low-end of the population spectrum that really ends up being victims of themselves in the greater overall scheme of things. Hell, I think we ought to do EXACTLY as you think the gun nuts think... arm EVERYONE. Things will sort themselves out shortly, and those who survive will be the stronger for it in the end, Darwinism and all. While we're at it, we ought to just skip the whole nukes-as-a-defensive-weapon thing and launch a few. Ship 'em on over to Iran and N.Korea, cut 'em loose, and just f*#king have at it.

Global warming? Solved. Nuke winter.
Too many guns? Nah, nobody left to supply ammo. Solved.
Bolt wars and raptor closures? Not anymore!
crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
May 2, 2013 - 08:53am PT
Guns for 5 year--old's.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/01/us/kentucky-accidential-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
May 2, 2013 - 11:45am PT
Hurry, hurry, hurry bullet bois there is another thread making guns look bad. You are dropping the ball here. By now I would have expected dozens of posts ridiculing anyone guilty of not knowing the correct weapon vernacular and explaining that if his "little cricket" had had an extended magazine he could have also taken out the family dog, cat and goldfish.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
May 4, 2013 - 03:02pm PT
Yeah well a teen was killed yesterday in school by being hit in the head with a softball while playing..

getting back to a previous post of mine on this thread, the above statement by Ron is interesting to parse....

implied is the equivalence, in terms of likelihood, that playing softball at school is as dangerous as keeping handguns at home.

The determination of the statistical likelihoods requires data, and that data could be gathered by law enforcement and available to researchers except for explicitly written legislature that bars this data gathering/providing. This is a huge inhibition to the debate, since without the ability to study such things, all we have is advocacy by opinion by one side or the other.

Independent of how the research might play out, wouldn't it be wise for everyone to agree that we should be collecting this data and providing it to researchers? A much better picture could be formed of the effectiveness of handgun safety, handgun use, accidents, and all other aspects of the guns.

Why the prohibition on this aspect of guns? I don't know of anything else where such roadblocks have been put up to inhibit research.
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
May 5, 2013 - 08:19pm PT
LaPierre: 'How many Bostonians wish they had a gun two weeks ago?'


Completely forgetting that both victims shot by the bombers WERE ARMED and the only thing that stopped one bad guy with a gun was BEING RUN OVER BY HIS BROTHER!

I heard on NPR that WLP also criticized politicians for "colluding with the people". How dare the people corrupt democracy like that, they should leave it to the vested interests like the founding fathers intended.

TE
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
May 5, 2013 - 08:29pm PT
He was full of holes and down on the ground when his brother ran over him.


Since 1984 327 children have drowned in buckets, about 30 a year.

http://www.preventinjury.org/PDFs/DROWNING.pdf

We need to ban buckets!

Better yet demand background checks and strict regulation of the possession of Dihydrogen Monoxide.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
May 5, 2013 - 08:49pm PT
Perhaps what we need most of all are mandatory school courses in logic.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
May 5, 2013 - 09:00pm PT
And statistics.

tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
May 5, 2013 - 10:15pm PT
That's gonna explode some minds
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
May 5, 2013 - 10:59pm PT
Yearly there is 1 child killed by a gun for every 1 million-plus guns.

There is one drowning of a child for every 11,000 residential swimming pools.

Obviously we need to ban swimming pools!
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
May 5, 2013 - 11:01pm PT
Mr Kay writes:

"All other civil societies that limit access to these killing machines are generally speaking LESS VIOLENT and as a consequence MORE CIVIL."



You mean someplace with limited firearm access like Mexico?

Or Brazil?

Venezuela?

Those places are less violent than the U.S.?
tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
May 5, 2013 - 11:04pm PT
someone's mind just exploded and spewed all over their keyboard
tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
May 5, 2013 - 11:18pm PT


The ratio that is relevant to a civil society is gun violence per capita. Why? because guns are by far the most efficient killing machines available and when widely available they are used as the preferred tool of violence to the detriment of civil society by an exponential rate of efficiency. American society is living proof. All other civil societies that limit access to these killing machines are generally speaking LESS VIOLENT and as a consequence MORE CIVIL.



After leaving the USA where there was a lot more gun crime, most all done by idiots, and moving to BC where I know a lot more people/friends/neighbors who own guns, but fewer idiots, and almost no gun crime I can see now how gun crime over many years increases or decreases as a result of the laws that shape society. Initially, no, there will be idiots who grew up thinking guns should be toys. But yeah, given a few generations and new laws in the US, things could change, like I said earlier in this thread, (months ago?)
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
May 5, 2013 - 11:46pm PT
Mr Kay writes:

"I f you consider the USA to be on a par with Brazil, Mexico or whatever then fine. I get it."



I don't consider America to be on par with any other country. We're exceptional.

But of you want to compare different countries, you can't cherry-pick the ones that seem to advance your point while ignoring similar ones that would contradict it.

Mexico, Brazil, and Venezuela are all civilized democracies, yet harsh gun laws there have caused their murder rates to skyrocket.

Laws don't always work the way you want them to, and the liberal left doesn't have a good track record of predicting the effects of the laws they pass.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
May 5, 2013 - 11:47pm PT
I don't think I'm at risk of getting shot. I just hate the NRA.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
May 6, 2013 - 12:05am PT
How about Chicago?

Chicago has exactly equal social/economic status with the US, and extremely harsh gun prohibition. And look what those harsh gun laws have done to the murder rate there.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
May 6, 2013 - 12:17am PT
How would you account for a law banning guns having one effect in somewhere like Great Britain, while the exact same law on the books in some place like Mexico has the exact opposite effect?

I'm saying it isn't the law ( or absence thereof ) that makes a safer society.
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