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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Apr 17, 2013 - 07:12pm PT
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Harry Reid votes against the bill.
That tells you all you need to know about it.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Apr 17, 2013 - 07:23pm PT
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It's a date Ron....i'll look you up after my month (May) in Yosemite.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Apr 17, 2013 - 08:15pm PT
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jghedge writes ( as to why he thinks Reid voted with the Republicans on the gun bill ):
"On procedural grounds, in order to preserve the right to bring the measure back up.
Educating yourself, actually, is the way to find out "all you need to know about it".
Now that is the exact type of playing-politics sh#t we're all sick of. Sick of it. If the bill is good, vote YES. If it stinks, vote the other way. Reid's vote was just chickensh#t, and just another example of his perpetuating politics-as-usual, which we've all had enough of.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Apr 17, 2013 - 08:16pm PT
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SW Utah? WTF are you talking about Jim?
I agreed with most of your 3:10 post and then you go and confuse me with a nevadan taxidermist!
You'd better get the Nose in a diaper done before the oldtimer's gets bad. ;)
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Apr 17, 2013 - 08:21pm PT
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Now that is the exact type of playing-politics sh#t we're all sick of. Sick of it.
Of course, filibustering so it would require 60 votes is perfectly fine.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Apr 17, 2013 - 08:23pm PT
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The Senate could do away with the fillibuster rule completely, with just a majority vote.
It wasn't that long ago when it took 67 votes to break a fillibuster. Somehow, bills were passed then.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Apr 17, 2013 - 08:29pm PT
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And filibusters were used very infrequently then, Chaz. Now they happen all the time.
And yea, that 'simple majority' solution to change the filibuster rules isn't called the 'nuclear' option for no good reason. No one wants to go that route.
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TradEddie
Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
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Apr 17, 2013 - 08:30pm PT
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46 Senators have just shown that they believe their jobs are more important than saving lives. I can't believe that I would ever have voted Republican, but Sen. Toomey's courage has assured my vote for his re-election.
All the rest of the partisan sh#t is just that, less taxes for less services, or more taxes for more services, its all a wash, nothing but opinion to justify whether one or the the other is right. I couldn't give a damn about abortion or gay marriage, won't affect my life, so this issue is the only one where we can be 100% sure to make a positive improvement in the lives of Americans. 46 Senators are going to answer soon enough.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Apr 17, 2013 - 08:32pm PT
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Nope. Totally different drugs with totally different effects. One has been tested for millenia, the other about 30-40 years.
So they still get to drive?
Sure why not? It doesn't affect your coordination. I bet a person on Prozac could kill way more people than a drunk fuker with the same weapons.
Let's just make sure they aren't amassing an arsenal and keep an eye out for personality changes for the first few critical months they are on new medications... at least until we know how they are affected.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 17, 2013 - 09:00pm PT
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By voting yes today, they'd be handing the federal gov't over to the dems come next election.
The Tea Party would make sure of it.
yep
and the Tea Party has already cost the Republicans the US Senate
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 17, 2013 - 09:25pm PT
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Maybe not so idiotic Hedge. If Reid wasn't there to oppose it, perhaps Yucca Mountain would open with the result being tens of billions in fed expenditures and thousands of good paying jobs. And of course any idiotic first termer wouldn't bite the hand of the mining and gaming industry that feeds them.The only industry/constituency that would be shortchanged would be the "undocumented democrats".
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Apr 17, 2013 - 09:34pm PT
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Dems just have to wait a few more election cycles - then we get to do whatever we want.
Sounds like a democracy I'd love to live in! Just kidding, I'm enjoying a land where we are free, mostly because there are fewer dummies and far fewer rules.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 17, 2013 - 09:36pm PT
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LMAO Hedge at your conversion
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 17, 2013 - 09:39pm PT
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actually,
excellent sarcasm, Hedge!
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Apr 17, 2013 - 09:41pm PT
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Senators need guns....they certainly don't have guts. There is quite a positive correlation between gun ownership and weak stomachs.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 17, 2013 - 09:45pm PT
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Regardless of why your singing the tune, eventually with enough repeats you'll begin to believe it. Go to your own training manuals Hedge for validation on this technique.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 17, 2013 - 09:45pm PT
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well,
both Ron Anderson and myself are disappointed with the Senate today
both of us support increased background checks
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 17, 2013 - 09:46pm PT
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weak
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 17, 2013 - 10:39pm PT
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Pinning your hopes for gun control, Norton, on the chance that repub party would go along with it, thereby committing political suicide, was probably never very realistic, right?
Dare I hope you're starting to see the light?
saying I support even a watered down bill because it is better than nothing is being realistic, Joe
and no Joe, your comment is flat wrong about ME seeing the light
if you are going to come after me then you better prove your sh#t, and thus far your little comment has no basis
you started this Joe, why I don't know, maybe your ass holeness is just coming out AGAIN
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