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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Feb 19, 2013 - 09:15am PT
Ron's comment about the gun show demonstrates why the second amendment has a first amendment problem- everyone being armed to the teeth chills speech. Will college professors feel ok saying controversial things knowing half the class is packing? Preachers?
jghedge

climber
Feb 19, 2013 - 09:17am PT
"Responsible folks should be trained and encouraged to own firearms.
Taking guns from lawful owners does nothing to address the real problem."


Taking them from everyone does, though.

35 gun deaths in the UK last year.

12,000 in the US


Having an armed populace increases, not decreases, gun deaths

Having an unarmed populace reduces them to practically zero.


That is the reality.


Heyzeus

climber
Hollywood,Ca
Feb 19, 2013 - 09:19am PT
Had all the right elements......
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 19, 2013 - 09:20am PT
TE,, no one CUT in line, those folks dont roll that way. Having been to a plethora of rack concerts, i can flat tell you those are far more violent natured crowds than a gun show.


And yes, i simply passed on emails of the shootings. I love how you all rely on a left wing site like snopes though. Snopes having already been proven wrong on numerous occasions.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 19, 2013 - 09:27am PT
OME INVASIONS STOPPED BECAUSE OF GUNS

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The following are three stories about armed citizens protecting themselves and property against burglars. In one case a man stopped two men from robbing his neighbor.
In Jacksonville, Florida a man heard a knock at the door, but did not recognize the individual and decided not to answer the door. While he was returning to his business he saw a shadow move past his daughterís bedroom window and then heard someone breaking a window in the back of the house. He aimed his guns, a .9mm and a .38, and shot at the suspect. This man was not the same one at the door.
A homeowner in Michigan City, Indiana pulled his gun on two men when they broke into his house. He shot both, but one was able to get away. He held the other one at knife point until the police arrived. The police found the other suspect hiding in a house a few blocks away.
Two men broke into a home in San Antonio, Texas and took out the TV. The victim's neighbor saw the burglars with it and confronted them with his shotgun. Once the burglars saw the gun they dropped the TV and ran.
Stay tuned for more armed citizen stories at Breitbart News.
You can follow Mary Chastain on Twitter at @maryclimer. Please send her any local armed citizen stories you find.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 19, 2013 - 09:29am PT


A homeowner in Sacramento is being treated for non life threatening wounds after successfully fighting off 3 armed home invaders who tried to attack his home last night.

The homeowner grabbed a weapon after 3 armed men tried to break into the home, and opened fire.

The homeowner was shot by one of the suspects, but he managed to shoot all 3 suspects. One of the shot suspects died at the scene and the other 2 are being detained by police as they try to figure out exactly what happened.

Residents say there were children in the home at the time of the attempted home invasion. There may have been a childrenís slumber party going on at the time of the attack.

Editorís note: We are thankful that the homeowner was fast acting and armed or we could be talking about a mass murder of children at a slumber party today.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 19, 2013 - 09:31am PT
Three men broke into a home in a gated community in the southwest part of the valley early Tuesday morning. The woman in the home was wounded and one of the intruders was killed when a shootout happened between the men -- and the woman's boyfriend.

Now Police are looking for the suspects and residents of the neighborhood are trying to deal with what happened. One of the neighbors claims he heard 10 gunshots -- and then saw two suspects run out of the house, leaving one of the suspects behind and one of their victims in the hospital.

"I heard a boom, boom, boom, three shots -- and then I heard a car spin off," said Sherell, a neighbor.

It was a wake up no one in this quite neighborhood ever expected. Police swarmed Correl Ribbon Ave., in southwest Las Vegas, after rounds of bullets were fired off in the early morning hours. Neighbors are still in shock.

"Unbelievable, unbelievable, unbelievable," said Sherell.

Police say at 4:45 a.m., a 28-year-old woman came home and was taken hostage by three armed suspects -- but her boyfriend, who was inside, fought back with his own gun. Shots were exchanged, the woman was hit and a suspect was also shot. He died on scene while the other suspects got away.

"Makes me want to move," said Danny Silva, who works in the neighborhood. "Where are you going to move to? The madness is everywhere. It's like a fad. It's a trend. It's starting to sweep across the nation."

Police are now trying to figure out if the suspects knew the victim.

"Go figure; I thought this is a nice neighborhood," said Sherell.

Or if this was another random home invasion. Eyewitness News talked with the victim earlier Tuesday -- she didn't want to go on camera. She says she was shot in the shoulder and neck but is doing okay.

The other two suspects were seen taking off in a 2001 red Neon with tinted windows. They are considered armed and dangerous.

If you have any information, you are urged to call CrimeStoppers at 385-5555.
Heyzeus

climber
Hollywood,Ca
Feb 19, 2013 - 09:34am PT
You don't like Faulkner? Snopes- http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2012-09-28/story/fact-check-so-whos-checking-fact-finders-we-are

Q: Who creates the material for this site?

A: With very few exceptions, all of the material on this site is prepared by the same people who operate this site, Barbara and David Mikkelson.

Q: How do I know the information you've presented is accurate?

A: We don't expect anyone to accept us as the ultimate authority on any topic. Unlike the plethora of anonymous individuals who create and send the unsigned, unsourced e-mail messages that are forwarded all over the Internet, we show our work. The research materials we've used in the preparation of any particular page are listed in the bibliography displayed at the bottom of that page so that readers who wish to verify the validity of our information may check those sources for themselves.
Read more at http://www.snopes.com/info/faq.asp#uFs5Cd16ZomXGRHg.99
pud

climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
Feb 19, 2013 - 09:41am PT
jhedge and his ilk will never use real facts to address the real problem.



jghedge

climber
Feb 19, 2013 - 09:44am PT
"jhedge and his ilk will never use real facts to address the real problem."

35 gun deaths in the UK is a fact.

They addressed the real problem, and fixed it.

That's reality.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 19, 2013 - 09:47am PT
"They addressed the real problem, and fixed it."


England never had a gun violence problem. Even a hundred years ago, back when the gun laws here and the gun laws there were exactly the same - as in there weren't any gun laws - England was a far less violent place than the U.S.
jghedge

climber
Feb 19, 2013 - 09:49am PT
"England never had a gun violence problem. Even a hundred years ago, back when the gun laws here and the gun laws there were exactly the same - as in there weren't any gun laws - England was a far less violent place than the U.S."

Prove it.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 19, 2013 - 09:50am PT

Last week, Melinda Herman shot an intruder in her Georgia home
She had learned to shoot only two weeks before
Her story has gained the attention of gun rights groups
Loganville, Georgia (CNN) -- This is not a movie. There's no dramatic music in the background. A happy ending, far from a guarantee.
The concern in Donnie Herman's voice was clear as day. So was his stress. With two telephones to his ear, he listened to his wife, Melinda, as she fled into an attic of their Loganville home. With her: Her two 9-year-old children and a loaded .38 revolver.
In the house: An intruder with a crowbar.
On another line was the 911 operator Donnie Herman had called for help. Herman's words to his wife, as he sat helplessly, an hour away from the home, were recorded.
"Stay in the attic," he instructed her, calmly.
"He's in the bedroom," she told him. He repeated the words to the 911 operator.
"Shh. Relax," Herman said, trying to calm his wife.
Then he instructed her to do what was fast becoming a realistic possibility.

Melinda Herman fled to the attic with her two children when an intruder entered her Georgia home.

Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman, whose office responded to the shooting, praised Melinda Herman's actions.
"Melinda -- if he opens up the door, you shoot him! You understand?"
What happened next has made the Hermans the new faces of the right to bear arms.
Melinda Herman fired a six-shot revolver at the intruder, hitting him five times, in his torso and in his face. Surprisingly, he managed to flee.
Opinion: The case for gun rights is stronger than you think
Gun rights groups say this shows that law-abiding citizens should be allowed to buy their weapon of choice and as big a magazine or ammunition clip as they like.
They remind people that Melinda Herman had only a six-shot revolver.
"It's a good thing she wasn't facing more attackers. Otherwise she would have been in trouble and she would have run out of ammunition," said Erich Pratt, director of communications for the Gun Owners of America.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 19, 2013 - 09:52am PT
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 19, 2013 - 09:55am PT
Chaz,,, some here dont even know what country they live in..But i WISHED they lived in the UK!
jghedge

climber
Feb 19, 2013 - 09:57am PT
"Last week, Melinda Herman shot an intruder in her Georgia home"

The same intruders people like you advocate arming in the first place, by supporting everyone's right to be armed.

Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 19, 2013 - 10:02am PT
jghedge writes:

"Prove it."



Dude, it's fact. Like the sun rises in the east.

The U.S. has always been a more violent place than England. Gun laws, or no gun laws.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Feb 19, 2013 - 10:02am PT
We on the sidelines WANT responsible, non-violent action if and when possible, but there is no way to impose this on the folks in the fray. That leaves us blathering on the sidelines, like two bald men arguing over a comb.

Largo
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 19, 2013 - 10:06am PT
Hey now! Thats BELOW THE BELT LARGO!
jghedge

climber
Feb 19, 2013 - 10:10am PT
"Dude, it's fact. Like the sun rises in the east.

The U.S. has always been a more violent place than England. Gun laws, or no gun laws."


Then prove it. Should be pretty easy, if it's as verifiable as the sun rising in the east, right?

Anything?
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