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hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Feb 15, 2013 - 03:02pm PT
Most folks don,t have the time or inclination to read through enough posts to take more awax than the last couple pages, if that, and so dont fully get a sense of the limited few your yelling at. You know, like i did.

Kinda like thinking our govt would actually sanction a Sandy Hook style event in order to push a political agenda.

But then, Obama MAY BE the antichrist.

I don,t know, I kinda think all the protectionist laws, success of healthcare, and general ease of life in modern society have reversed evolution. Bring back Darwin! The gene pool is stagnant...

Arm everyone, end healthcare, and cut the fuel supply. Yeah baby, THEN we,ll evolve or die, like it oughta be!
jghedge

climber
Feb 15, 2013 - 03:06pm PT
"First of all the Jim Crow laws were largely fought for by southern democrats. George Wallace was a democrat."

And no one said anything about democrats, I was talking about liberals. Southern democrats were as conservative as they come, till LBJ forced them to switch parties.

Always cute when conservatives try to pretend that 60's southern dems were liberals - desperate, but cute.

Conservatives always disavow what they fought for in previous decades, even to the extent of switching parties - it's the hallmark of their integrity.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Feb 15, 2013 - 03:13pm PT
training and combat experience,..

I didn't know that fondling guns all day was now called "training and combat experience."
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Feb 15, 2013 - 03:22pm PT
Norton the strategy of the freedom riders was to travel into the deep south in groups, usually in buses, and get arrested for deliberately violating a segregation law. Then they would refuse bail for as long as they could, this generated a lot of media coverage at the time and helped to shed light throughout the nation on the race laws in certain states.

http://crdl.usg.edu/people/r/rogers_ralph_robert_1928/
jghedge

climber
Feb 15, 2013 - 03:48pm PT
Bipartisan deal close on expanded background checks

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2013/02/15/bipartisan-deal-close-on-expanded-background-checks/


The bipartisan group of four Senators who are negotiating over a proposal to expand the gun background check system privately met this week to discuss where things stand, according to sources familiar with ongoing talks. One source tells me the four Senators are “95 percent of the way there.”

This isn’t to say that the last five percent can’t scuttle the emerging compromise. As one source put it, that remains the “hardest part.” But there is reason for optimism that the four Senators — Republicans Tom Coburn and Mark Kirk, and Democrats Chuck Schumer and Joe Manchin — may be able to bridge remaining differences.

Here’s where things stand, according to several sources. There is general agreement on the concept of expanding the background check to cover most private sales, and on the concept of improving state mental illness data-sharing with the feds — which is important, because it means the four more or less agree on the fundamental policy goal here. The four Senators are in discussions about exemptions — sales among family members — and about tweaking the way background checks are performed for private sales in certain rural areas. But sources say those are unlikely to be sticking points. The four Senators are discussing yet another possible exception designed to make the deal more palatable to gun rights lawmakers: Exempting those who have already obtained “conceal and carry” permits, the idea being they’ve already undergone a background check.



The beginning of the end of The Gun Nut Era.




Repubs Have Failed.



WTF

climber
Feb 15, 2013 - 04:52pm PT
Hedge while you think that's a failure by repubs it is not its what we law abiding gun owners want.

In fact it's a win for our country and its not a dem or repub victory. It's a win for the kids in Connecticut the Colorado families and anyone else who's been a victim of such violence.

All we gun owners want are fair laws that allow us to keep and buy the guns we want and keep them out of the hands of the mentally ill and the criminal.

You however keep driving a wedge between people and making people choose sides so we can continue to fall apart as a country and society with you repub and dem bullsh#t.

Like they say a repub doesn't want a gun he doesn't buy one a dem doesn't want one and therefore no one should have one.

Stupid fu king Americans
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 15, 2013 - 05:00pm PT
Its actually a win, with the CCW holders being exempt, a condition long sought after by many holders. No one i know is against good back ground checks.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 15, 2013 - 05:12pm PT
Maybe no one you personally know is against background checks, Ron

but did you know that the NRA IS?

they have a LOT of influence, lots of money, lawyers, and Washington lobbyists.

NRA officials handed out a flyer titled: "NO to 'Universal' Background Checks"
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/02/12/nra-ramps-up-campaign-against-background-checks/

edit: I think the above NRA kind of absolutism, no grey area, my way or the highway is the attitude that people like myself, Mechrist and others wish would change

The NRA has every right to teach little Timmy how to shoot his new BB gun, and has every right to represent the interests of responsible gun owners everywhere, all just fine

However, the NRA does strongly influence the thought processes of ten of millions of gun owners in addition to literally "owning" many of our politicians with their large cash contributions to their re election campaigns.

Here's the thing, the NRA would be doing itself a big favor and regaining a lot of lost credibility IF they would agree to support what their own NRA members support, and the membership supports Universal Background checks except to close knit blood relatives in private sales, the membership also supports much stronger electronic monitoring and Federal "policing" of grey area sales, instant data base checks, and the membership also supports reasonable limits on magazine size and "some" additional limits on what types of weapons the public can purchase.

If the NRA collects dues from its members which it does, and claims to "represent" its members, then yes, it ought to support the same things its own members support.
jghedge

climber
Feb 15, 2013 - 05:32pm PT
"All we gun owners want are fair laws that allow us to keep and buy the guns we want and keep them out of the hands of the mentally ill and the criminal."

Which is impossible, as Adam Lanza proved.

Only way to do it is to outlaw them, which works, for both your protection and for keeping them away from criminals and crazies, as the UK has proven.
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
Feb 15, 2013 - 05:37pm PT
Because nobody gets murdered in the UK by guns.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 15, 2013 - 05:40pm PT
Joe, I have said it before and with all due respect to you personally.

Your position to "ban" ALL guns is childish, unrealistic, and really ultimately serves only to establish your position, and thus you, as "extreme" and as emotionally unreasonable as the very people you rail against.

Honestly Joe, you weaken your credibility when you take such an unyielding and my way or the highway position, in fact you present the same black and white only extremism that you criticize your discussion opponents of embracing.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 15, 2013 - 05:41pm PT
Because nobody gets murdered in the UK by guns.

well Michael, good point!

out of a population of some 60 million, less than 100 people were killed by guns in 2012

thanks for pointing that out
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Feb 15, 2013 - 05:41pm PT
Please provide any REASONABLE home defense scenario where the inability to own an assault weapon would have any likely effect on the outcome.
Look up the frequency of road rage incidents where people use vehicles as weapons, even on pedestrians or people in their own yards. Most handgun rounds bounce off windshields, as does birdshot.
And more and more criminals are stealing body armor and HTFU.
.223 rounds defeat IIA armor. In fact it renders the AR round MORE effective.






Dropline, in the land of the blind the one eyed man is king, but what are you going to feed it?


It is good to see WTF channeling Werner.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 15, 2013 - 05:46pm PT
A buddy of mine got an m1-A (308)in full competition set ups, supressor the hole nine..! 2500.00 Brand new. A spankin 500 yard gun!
jghedge

climber
Feb 15, 2013 - 05:47pm PT
"Because nobody gets murdered in the UK by guns."

35 gun deaths total in the UK in 2012 - including suicides (20 gun murders)

Out of 60 million people, with a history of warfare and violence that makes us look like a hippie commune.

So yes, outlawing guns obviously works.
Dropline

Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
Feb 15, 2013 - 05:48pm PT
Toker, .308 Win
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Feb 15, 2013 - 05:49pm PT
Hows your supply?



















edit
Yeah, Ron, probably have 147gr "cheap" surplus @ $1.50 per
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 15, 2013 - 05:49pm PT
Major gun show in Reno tomorrow- 9:00 am opening. Be there EARLY for ammo...;-)



Ill be in the back rooms getting me some Shoulder mounteds,, pineapples, and C4...Muwaaaahahahahahaaaaaaaaaa
jghedge

climber
Feb 15, 2013 - 05:50pm PT
"Honestly Joe, you weaken your credibility when you take such an unyielding and my way or the highway position, in fact you present the same black and white only extremism that you criticize your discussion opponents of embracing."

The UK proves it's not "black and white extremism", though. It's reality. Reality isn't "extremism".

WTF

climber
Feb 15, 2013 - 05:50pm PT
Really hedge that's your example. Weak sauce man that f*#king psycho got to those guns because his stupid f*#king mom did not secure them from her f*#king nut job son plain and simple.
Good thing he shot her saved us a ton of money prosecuting her for her gross negligence.
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