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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 1, 2013 - 10:31pm PT
poor TE,, needs to review his local statutes..


wonder if double barrel Biden hunts by shooting at "noise" in the bushes too?
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Mar 1, 2013 - 10:34pm PT
I agree Ron, background checks on ammo would be a bit ridiculous. Expanding background checks to all sales would be a PITA with the current model. If they do that, then they should alter the system to something automated that a private party can also utilize.
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Mar 1, 2013 - 10:35pm PT
Cheney already proved conclusively you don't fire until you've identified your target and the backdrop.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Mar 1, 2013 - 10:39pm PT
lol, there is no felony in deliberately missing in self defense in CA. Whether it's advisable or not is another topic.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 1, 2013 - 10:47pm PT
perhaps not a felony, but discharge of a fire arm in city limits or occupied areas is normally an offense. Dishcarging a weapon at un identified or unkowns in the dark is just stupid.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Mar 1, 2013 - 10:48pm PT
We are talking self-defense here. Pay attention.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 1, 2013 - 10:49pm PT
Hillrat writes:

"Cheney already proved conclusively you don't fire until you've identified your target and the backdrop."


Yes. Cheney does a hell of a lot more to advance the cause of gun safety by serving as a bad example than the curent Vice President does by giving us his wrong, dangerous, and illegal advice.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 1, 2013 - 10:50pm PT
Warning shots are not considered self defense. ( look it up ) It's a felony in California.

Besides, it's a waste of ammunition.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Mar 1, 2013 - 10:51pm PT
What's the difference between a warning shot and a miss. I just missed.

Do ya get charged for missing?

In fact, if you deliberately missed and then the perp then runs away, and you shoot him in the back, in CA you will be charged. Maybe in Florida too, depending on how stand your ground applies.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 1, 2013 - 10:54pm PT
No, Monolith. You won't be charged for your misses, IF you are firing in a legitimate self-defense situation. Just don't admit to firing to scare someone, like Joe Biden suggests, because that's both reckless and illegal.

In other words, the only time your "warning" shots would be legal would be the same time deadly force is legal. Walking out on your deck, and blasting both barrels just to make noise, like Biden suggests, is totally illegal and will earn you a few years in prison if you're that stupid.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Mar 1, 2013 - 11:04pm PT
Better look into it closer. If you are committing a crime, a warning shot is a felony.

Otherwise, in self-defense it is not. Like in this example.

Funny you gun boyz didn't know this, but still accuse others of ignorance.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 1, 2013 - 11:07pm PT
OK. What are the established guidelines for firing off warning shots? What do the self-defense pros suggest?

They suggest you not do it ( except for Obama's Vice President, but he's an idiot ).
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Mar 1, 2013 - 11:18pm PT
You're right hedge. I don't need guns. There are plenty of other ways to kill people.

Fortunately for me, the constitution protects my individual right to have guns, whether or not I choose to own them. The Supreme Court upholds this right, the President and the Vice President recognize this right. The majority of Congress recognize this right. Individual state constitutions reiterate this right.
The history of this country demonstrates that we've always supported firearms ownership.
Tradition in this country, whereby countless generations have kept, born, and employed firearms support the ongoing individual ownership of arms here for what are and have been deemed, historically and traditionally, appropriate uses.
You and your ankle-biting "35 deaths in the UK" rhetoric are like a toothless chihuahua nipping on the heels of an elephant.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 1, 2013 - 11:21pm PT
baaahahahahaaa^^^^^^GUD one HR...
paul roehl

Boulder climber
california
Mar 2, 2013 - 01:32am PT
Simple idea: just make all gun sellers civilly responsible for the actions of their customers as per the involvement/use of the firearm they've sold. Then background checks and registration will, at least to some degree, become the interest and purview of the private sector and not the government. Sell a gun to a madman and you pay the price.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 2, 2013 - 01:51am PT
What if the gun seller goes and does something illegal with the money the gun buyer gave him when the buyer bought the gun? Is the gun buyer responsible for what the gun seller does with the money that once was his, after it has left his possession?
MarkGrubb

climber
Mar 2, 2013 - 05:29am PT
We should apply Pauls logic to cars, gasoline, alcohol, and food.

Epic fail in logic.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Mar 2, 2013 - 08:49am PT
Not really. The background check would be the private sellers proof that he met the acceptable standard of conduct. Not unreasonable for a product designed to kill.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Mar 2, 2013 - 10:03am PT
What do the self-defense pros suggest?

Who are these "self-defense pros" you keep referring to?

Your karate teacher?




YES SENSEI!

TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Mar 2, 2013 - 10:17am PT
It's pretty clear when people advise shooting blindly in the dark at an unidentified person instead of first attempting to scare them away that background checks aren't doing nearly enough to identify the mentally ill.

The gun-nut intardweb is going crazy over Biden's comments, cos it goes against so many gun-nuts greatest fantasy - actually getting the chance to shoot someone. They've been so caught up in their "right" to shoot someone that they've forgotten it's not an obligation.

Anyway its going to be 45 and sunny, I'm going climbing, remember that?

TE


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