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WBraun

climber
Mar 29, 2013 - 12:19am PT
He's not that dumb Joe.

He's a lot sharper than he reveals here.

Don't fall for it.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 29, 2013 - 12:19am PT
WBraun

climber
Mar 29, 2013 - 12:31am PT
Actually Joe you are so lucky to have a guy Ron keeping the momentum of the topic going.

Who else the fuk would you debate besides maybe TGT?

LOL

Ron is blessing for these topics.

Don't be so hard on Ron.

He's a good human being besides all his faults.

Every one of us here have our own fuked up faults too ......
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Mar 29, 2013 - 12:43am PT
group hug...
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 29, 2013 - 11:28am PT
Can we stop with all the ad hominems and get back to criticizing people who display a glaring lack critical thinking skills?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 29, 2013 - 01:29pm PT
That is the only call LEOs need to make in Cali to discern the originating buyer of any gun.

Is that because ALL guns used in CA crimes were purchased in CA? Makes perfect sense.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Mar 29, 2013 - 01:34pm PT

But I'm equally guilty of trying to pointlessly dance around the 2nd amendment...making me (almost) just as much of a nut.

As long as the 2nd exists, all debate about guns is bullshit - including Obama's and Biden's

The political courage and will needs to focus on changing the constitution, not on pointless gun laws


And eventually, it will.

Well that makes sense if you think laws requiring background checks, forbidding private ownership of machine guns, howitzers, etc. are unconstitutional. But most grown-ups recognize there are limitations on virtually every "right" in the constitution, even ones like freedom of speech. The laws that were struck down by the USSC basically completely outlawed types of guns commonly and historically used for self-defense, and the USSC said that's going too far. Still lots of room for reasonable regulation.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 29, 2013 - 01:48pm PT
Ron, you really believe most guns used in crimes were originally (legally) purchased in that state? You really see no benefit to having a federal registry to help law enforcement expedite their search, rather than individually searching records from all 50 states?

The MAIN reason the feds want a fed registry is a place in which to shove their fingers.

Translation: the MAIN reason gun nuts are opposed to the ideas is because they think the government will come after their guns.

Christ, don't you just love this world of paranoia and outrageous speculation?
pud

climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
Mar 29, 2013 - 02:50pm PT
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 29, 2013 - 02:51pm PT
Gawd, that ^ is cute!

And when it comes to law abiding citizenry, it is no ones business what they have- be it fire arms, cars, bars or how much beer they can have per night.

Or chemical weapons or poppy plantations or meth distilleries or gang headquarters.

Also consider that thee has been talk in Washington if "civil unrest" for a few years now.

Please provide a reference to those talking about the type of "civil unrest" to which you refer. Because there has been talk of civil unrest for millenia... usually by extremists... often by religious extremists. I'm curious if the "talk" has become more dire since Obama was elected... or since the invasion of Tea Baggers. Please be specific... Inquiring Minds Like Me Want To Know.

so you tell me Wes: Fema grave sites coffins and liners, DHS, IRS, SS and many other agencies ordering massive amounts of hollow point ammo as well as urban assualt vehicles and the NDAA 2013 sections .. I ask you, what does all this indicate?

An impending invasion by Marxist dictators?

Do you not wonder a little about all of this?

Nope, not really. I've been out of the country before. I've been to train stations where uniformed military types patrol with fully auto machine guns. I understand that higher population density means more security is required. I understand that if any jackass with a clean record can EASILY arm themselves like the Aurora shooter or the fuks at Waco, etc, the government better come in with even more firepower to put a stop to it.

Ive heard rumor that Washington fully expects an economic disaster ahead and is preparing for that civil unrest they speak of

God forbid the government prepare for civil unrest/armed uprising with adequate equipment!
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 29, 2013 - 03:15pm PT
Im not an extremist wes, nor are any of my close freinds. What we are is awake

I think that is what Charles Manson said too.

Mainstream medias are nothing but an insult and waste of time anymore

But they tell you about all those horrible killings in SF... otherwise you wouldn't know how bad inner city violence has become and how many guns everyone needs to protect themselves.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 29, 2013 - 03:57pm PT
So, we are back to the US government invading...

Ron, seriously, if you want to discuss this sh#t you have to provide more than your opinion. You have to cite outside sources because when I try to figure out what you are talking about, I come up with stuff like this:

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/48898365/ns/us_news-life/t/why-does-social-security-need-bullets/#.UVXwM1dvD9U

It ain't "millions" of hollow points, more like 174,000.

The agents carry guns and make arrests 589 last year, Lasher said. They execute search warrants and respond to threats against Social Security offices, employees and customers.

Agents carry .357 caliber pistols, Lasher said. The bullets, which add up to about 590 per agent, are for the upcoming fiscal year. Most will be expended on the firing range.

How many rounds did you pop off at the range this year? How many when you were an LEO? I'm not a gun nut, but 590 rounds a year doesn't seem like that much if your job involves carrying a gun... once a month at the range, that's only 50 rounds a visit.


local leos can handle any actual arrests being made right? Or the FBI?

yeah, because they have plenty of free time for silly investigations of SS fraud?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 29, 2013 - 04:18pm PT
Note, I said "stuff like this" indicating every source I looked at had similar information. Do you even look at multiple sources?

So your approach to a "discussion" is to offer never ending opinions supported by NO outside information, and then criticize the links provided by others... again with NO outside information?

So, give me a better source. Enlighten me.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 29, 2013 - 04:29pm PT
He clearly gets upset when I call him an idiot and some friends asked me why I was so hard on him (did he really deserve it?). So I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt and change my ways a bit. I actually agree with WB that Ron is "He's a good human being besides all his faults." But at the same time, his faults are intolerable.


I'm simply asking Ron to supply ACTUAL information from an outside source that supports his OPINIONS. I don't think that is too much to ask. If he can't or refuses to, well, I will just have to resort to pointing out that he displays the characteristics of a mentally deficient person.


hollow points... social security... DHS... drones... FBI... conspiracies... gangsters... vigilante justice... blah blah blah... just look back through 4000+ posts... it was posted somewhere...

fuking weak!
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 29, 2013 - 04:41pm PT
What i talk of is common knowledge for those that look.

Spoken like a true IDIOT. You are impossible. You and hedge enjoy yourselves.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/ssabullets.asp
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 29, 2013 - 04:48pm PT
I'm sure Ron's a fine guy coz... which is why I feel bad that he insists on acting like such an idiot.

Clearly he is smarter than blurring and a much better person all around. But soooo obstinate... and soooo unwilling to provide any supporting information. That pretty much makes an idiot in my book.
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Mar 29, 2013 - 04:55pm PT
People get to believe in things without evidence all the time. Why can,t you just accept that?

I mean, take religion...
oops, wrong thread.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 29, 2013 - 04:59pm PT
Sure, believe whatever you want.

But I will not accept it when it is presented as factual yet contradicts all available information... and certainly not when it affects public policy and/or promotes vigilante justice and conspiracy theories of civil unrest and government invasions.
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Mar 29, 2013 - 05:23pm PT
"But I will not accept it when it is presented as factual yet contradicts all available information... and certainly not when it affects public policy and/or promotes vigilante justice and conspiracy theories of civil unrest and government invasions."

Well, religion might be applicable after all.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 29, 2013 - 06:03pm PT
Ron posted:

I have little. I lost what i had six years past to a fake relationship, home included.. The last 6 months have left me with medical bills that are hard to fathom. So i continue on just barely floating my lips above the tide line trying to actually pay off bills instead of the ohhw soo fun bankrupcy square dance.
But i give waht i can where and when i can good times and bad.

Hi Ron,

well, I just want to say that I AM truly sorry that you are in the terrible situation you are in.
First not having a relationship not work out and then I am guessing you had some sort of accident or disease to necessitate large medical bills, I also assume you did NOT have any health insurance.

All that has as you say wiped you out and it is also very unfortunate that the work that you do is low pay and sporadic, that just makes everything else that much more difficult.

Your low income and lack of being able to afford quality health insurance is exactly the kind of person the new healthcare bill is deigned to benefit and that part of it starts in 2015, sadly some years later than you needed it but likely it will help you in the future.

Seriously Ron, you have a tough personal life with all that has happened to you. I wish I knew some way to help you out, good luck and I mean it.
John
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