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Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 24, 2013 - 04:06pm PT
I was reading about some fire arms firms refusing to sell their systems in NY now as they dont want the police to be better armed than the citizenry

really, you sure?

I think you made it up because it fits what you want to believe rather than the truth

your source please, link, and from a credible multiple source, not a stupid gun "blog" guy?
Sredni Vashtar

Social climber
The coastal redwoods
Feb 24, 2013 - 04:30pm PT
from LaRue Tactical

NEWS RELEASE:
02/08/2012 LEANDER, TX.

Updated Policy for State and Local Agency Law Enforcement Sales:

Due to the recent and numerous new Anti-gun/Anti-2nd Amendment laws passed and/or pending across our country, LaRue Tactical has been forced to reconsider how we provide products to state and local agencies.

Effective today, in an effort to see that no legal mistakes are made by LaRue Tactical and/or its employees, we will apply all current State and Local Laws (as applied to civilians) to state and local law enforcement / government agencies. In other words, LaRue Tactical will limit all sales to what law-abiding citizens residing in their districts can purchase or possess.

State and local laws have always been a serious focus of this firm, and we are now dovetailing that focus with the constitutional rights of the residents covered in their different areas by the old and new regulations.

We realize this effort will have an impact on this firm's sales - and have decided the lost sales are less danger to this firm than potential lawsuits from erroneous shipments generated by something as simple as human error.

Thanks in advance for your understanding.

Mark LaRue

* * This policy does not apply to Military / Federal Agencies * *

i dont want to do your homework for you, but there are more, Templar Custome, extreme firepower llc
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 24, 2013 - 04:37pm PT
I see nothing that says that the reason is because the arms manufacturer wants law enforcement to be "less' armed than the bad guys, presumably to be at a disadvantage in a gun fight, as your "reading" strongly implied
Sredni Vashtar

Social climber
The coastal redwoods
Feb 24, 2013 - 04:45pm PT
Norton, you have it confused, the firms dont want cops to have arms 'superior' to those allowed by the citizens.

(disclaimer: I shoot and own guns but i dont do 'tactical', i dont hoard ammunition, i dont want >10 round mags (they're for bad shots), i support the 2nd amendment, i dont wear fatgues at home)

lets go climbing
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Feb 24, 2013 - 09:19pm PT
Excellent editorial that gets at the heart of why gun control laws don't address the real issue:

An other example of this is that lunatic in Alabama who shot a bus driver and kidnapped the kid. He was due to appear in court for the MISDEMEANOR charge of shooting his neighbor's car. Even if he had been convicted, it wouldn't have prevented him legally owning guns.

Things like this make me doubt your statistic about violent crime in the UK being 3 times that of the US, it may be more honestly reported. I know someone who surrendered his handgun in the UK when they were banned, then several years later when a disgruntled employee made some false claims, police searched his house, didn't find what they were after, but did find a half box of ammo forgotten in the back of a drawer. He and his brother were both charged with unlawful possession of a firearm. That's zero-tolerance.

TE





Ricky

climber
Sometimes LA
Feb 24, 2013 - 09:28pm PT

Ron will write something stupid soon.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Feb 24, 2013 - 10:29pm PT
...when a disgruntled employee made some false claims, police searched his house, didn't find what they were after, but did find a half box of ammo forgotten in the back of a drawer. He and his brother were both charged with unlawful possession of a firearm.

Sounds like a great country. Someone lies about you, the cops tear your crib apart, find a few old bullets and you get slapped with unlawful possession of a gun??



Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 24, 2013 - 10:37pm PT
"...police searched his house, didn't find what they were after, but did find a half box of ammo forgotten in the back of a drawer. He and his brother were both charged with unlawful possession of a firearm."



Felons here are subjected to that treatment. NOT free citizens.

Do YOU want to live your life having only the rights granted to FELONS? Even though you've never done anything wrong in your life? If so, then sign on to British style gun control.
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Feb 24, 2013 - 10:58pm PT
Better yet...

Sign on to jghedge's style of gun control where all guns are banned, confiscated, and anyone then caught in possession is declared to be an armed insurgent, with all applicable treatment as such.

jghedge openly stated that trading the lives of those killed under these rules would be a fair trade for the innocent 12,000 lives lost to gun deaths every year.

By the way... Anyone catch the story about the leaked document from the Obama admin regarding gun control? Stated it wouldn't do much without a full registration scheme, etc. Pretty damn well correct. Without such a full registration and tracking scheme, there's really not much you're going to do to effectively remove weapons from the possession of those who shouldn't have them.
Problem is... when the govt then decides some particular type is no longer reasonable for the public to own, they can just swoop right in and get them. And it's happened elsewhere. Currently, their reasoning behind what should be banned and what should be allowed has more to do with gut reaction and fear than any amount of logic and reason. As it tends to be with our govt these days, through many of the past administrations.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 24, 2013 - 11:14pm PT
Credit: Ron Anderson


for sale- Only fired once by previous three owners!

Legal in CAL!
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Feb 25, 2013 - 02:56am PT
I don't really care about this idea of virtually eliminating gun deaths, it's a false cause. Cars, drinking, smoking, drug use, etc. are all much bigger issues if your baseline for judgment is how many die.

I would rather preserve a free society, which millions have died to defend, than let us fall into a state of tyranny to theoretically save a relative few, when in fact you cannot prove your proposed laws would accomplish anything.

Don't bother me with your endless ideology that the Brits have it right either. They have a serious mess on their hands, but it'll take another 10 years or so for it to come to fruition.
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Feb 25, 2013 - 07:48am PT
I would rather preserve a free society, which millions have died to defend, than let us fall into a state of tyranny to theoretically save a relative few, when in fact you cannot prove your proposed laws would accomplish anything.

You have that slightly backwards. A free society is one where thousands aren't murdered every year to justify the rights claimed by a relative few to overthrow a non-existent tyranny.

TE

Sredni Vashtar

Social climber
The coastal redwoods
Feb 25, 2013 - 12:44pm PT
Don't bother me with your endless ideology that the Brits have it right either. They have a serious mess on their hands, but it'll take another 10 years or so for it to come to fruition.

and what is that oh wise KSolem?
Britain certainly doesnt have everything right, far from it but who does?
seriously though, please provide me with an insight into Britain all the way from Monrovia, i hope it reads as good as Ron telling us how the americans stopped the british taking over their country and how the english and trying to steal scotland and ireland, that sht is priceless
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 25, 2013 - 12:58pm PT
You have that slightly backwards. A free society is one where thousands aren't murdered every year to justify the rights claimed by a relative few to overthrow a non-existent tyranny.

a pretty good observation!


but lets take out the clearly outdated part about American citizens needing weapons to defend against the US Armed Forces as a consideration, our own government "tyranny"

then it comes down to just exactly what weaponry are reasonable to include as necessary to insure the "freedom and liberty" that the 2nd Amendment is claimed to have such a non stated meaning about?

over 200 years ago the best we had were black powder rifles that took about a minute to reload and fire, with very limited range and accuracy

the Founders never mentioned a good guy needing the same weapons as a bad gun could get his hands on to defend against, in fact they did not mention self defense but surely it was implied
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 25, 2013 - 01:02pm PT
200 years ago, your free speech extended only as far as your voice could project. There were no telephones, televisions, etc. back then either.

Are you sure your First Amendment rights apply to modern electronic communication? If so, then why wouldn't your Second Amendment rights apply to modern arms?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 25, 2013 - 01:27pm PT
If so, then why wouldn't your Second Amendment rights apply to modern arms?

of course, Chaz

and nowhere in my post did I dispute that, did I?
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 25, 2013 - 02:00pm PT
I know you didn't, Norton.

The question was put out there for the benefit of those who believe otherwise.

Some of the same folks who will tell you that the Constitution is a "living and breathing" organism, that is constantly evolving, will also tell you the Second Amendment cannot be allowed expand to keep up with the times.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Feb 25, 2013 - 02:46pm PT
Is this STILL going on? (I just got back from a 4 day camping trip)

It looks like the broken record of jghedge is still on. How come he hasn't just moved across the pond?

I remember back when I bought my 33rd gun and realized that I would likely never be like the English again, but then most of them wouldn't need nearly as many firearms to still outnumber their teeth,..
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Feb 25, 2013 - 02:47pm PT
200 years ago, your free speech extended only as far as your voice could project. There were no telephones, televisions, etc. back then either.

Are you sure your First Amendment rights apply to modern electronic communication? If so, then why wouldn't your Second Amendment rights apply to modern arms?

But there ARE restrictions on modern communications that do not apply to verbal communications or written words and this is completely in line with the obvious fact that ALL rights are subject to limitation based on their potential for abuse by the few to the detriment of many (or abuse by many to the detriment of a few).

Modern mass communication has potential to harm many more people than word of mouth or a hand-operated printing press, and is therefore much more heavily regulated. Modern weapons should be no different, not unrestricted, not banned outright, but regulated based on their benefit and potential for harm.

TE
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Feb 25, 2013 - 04:39pm PT
Chaz believes in freedom, and he won't rest until his neighbor can own an atom bomb.

Megatons for the people!
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