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mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 21, 2013 - 01:42am PT
Hey, ^that sounds like Rong talking about invasive species, resource protection, and... well, just about anything other than guns or stuffing dead things.
Gary

Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
Feb 21, 2013 - 08:36am PT
explain...

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-oc-shootings-20130220,0,2319028.story

What an honor it would be to die for the misinterpreted 2nd Amendment rights of gun nuts.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 21, 2013 - 10:54am PT
The price of freedumb Gary. God bless our guns!
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Feb 21, 2013 - 12:31pm PT
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/how-to/identify-prohibited-persons.html

The Gun Control Act (GCA) makes it unlawful for certain categories of persons to ship, transport, receive, or possess firearms. 18 USC 922(g). Transfers of firearms to any such prohibited persons are also unlawful. 18 USC 922(d).

These categories include any person:

...

who is an illegal alien;

I stand corrected, although legal definition of an "illegal alien", would require that to be determined as fact in court.

But did you read the rest?

...who is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance;

How many avid gun nuts posting here does that exclude? Maybe it depends on what your definition of "is", is.

TE
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Feb 21, 2013 - 01:05pm PT
Gun control means hitting what you shoot at.

That makes my gun a controlled substance (that I am addicted to shooting).


So the law contradicts itself.
(that's my story and I'm sticking to it!)
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Feb 23, 2013 - 12:16pm PT
It looks like that little legal discovery has ended discussion on this thread.

Maybe Mr. LaPierre is right, all we need is enforcement of current laws - make peeing in a cup part of that background check.

TE
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 23, 2013 - 12:42pm PT
The now ubiquitous psychiatric medications are legal for those who have a prescription. Just need to change the language a little..

..who is a user of or addicted to any controlled substance that has been shown to alter the discretion of the user, or lives with someone who is.


But I guess that would mean beer. Don't worry, we will figure this out!
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Feb 24, 2013 - 01:45pm PT
Hedge, you and that article make an excellent argument for the prohibition of alcohol. Oh wait, we tried that already.

Take the example raised there of someone who has three DUI's in five years. That person is a lot more likely to commit vehicular homicide than to shoot someone. So let's pull their drivers license. But oh, they drive anyway, and they still drive while drunk.

So your solution is to restrict my freedom and liberty in a lame attempt to feel like you are in some kind of control, since you are virtually powerless to influence the behavior of drunks and nuts.

I had to read a book in Jr. High about this kind of thinking. It was written by George Orwell. I recommend it.
Sredni Vashtar

Social climber
The coastal redwoods
Feb 24, 2013 - 03:28pm PT
I was reading about some fire arms firms refusing to sell their systems in NY now as they dont want the police to be better armed than the citizenry (Cuomo assault weapon ban). I am US-UK with the majority of my time so far being in the UK, i sort of expect the police to carry bigger sticks than the average citizen but here it seems that isnt the case. there are lots of armed police in the UK its just they dont produce guns at every opportunity (locked cases in trunk of patrol cars) and when theres a shooting, that guy gets yanked off duty until its been investigated and he is cleared. something i dont like about here is that cops can produce for many minor things, i was a passenger in a car that rolled a stop in Napa, we pulled over unaware we were being tailed, i exited the car before that cop made himself known to us and i found myself staring down the barrel of a loaded gun, a guy empty handed wearing shorts and a t, little room to hide weapons. i guess what i am asking is do people fear cops here and cops fear (armed citizens)? police shootings in the UK tend to involve under ten shots fired, here it can run into dozens. its all so circular. god save the queen and god bless america.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 24, 2013 - 04:06pm PT
I was reading about some fire arms firms refusing to sell their systems in NY now as they dont want the police to be better armed than the citizenry

really, you sure?

I think you made it up because it fits what you want to believe rather than the truth

your source please, link, and from a credible multiple source, not a stupid gun "blog" guy?
Sredni Vashtar

Social climber
The coastal redwoods
Feb 24, 2013 - 04:30pm PT
from LaRue Tactical

NEWS RELEASE:
02/08/2012 LEANDER, TX.

Updated Policy for State and Local Agency Law Enforcement Sales:

Due to the recent and numerous new Anti-gun/Anti-2nd Amendment laws passed and/or pending across our country, LaRue Tactical has been forced to reconsider how we provide products to state and local agencies.

Effective today, in an effort to see that no legal mistakes are made by LaRue Tactical and/or its employees, we will apply all current State and Local Laws (as applied to civilians) to state and local law enforcement / government agencies. In other words, LaRue Tactical will limit all sales to what law-abiding citizens residing in their districts can purchase or possess.

State and local laws have always been a serious focus of this firm, and we are now dovetailing that focus with the constitutional rights of the residents covered in their different areas by the old and new regulations.

We realize this effort will have an impact on this firm's sales - and have decided the lost sales are less danger to this firm than potential lawsuits from erroneous shipments generated by something as simple as human error.

Thanks in advance for your understanding.

Mark LaRue

* * This policy does not apply to Military / Federal Agencies * *

i dont want to do your homework for you, but there are more, Templar Custome, extreme firepower llc
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 24, 2013 - 04:37pm PT
I see nothing that says that the reason is because the arms manufacturer wants law enforcement to be "less' armed than the bad guys, presumably to be at a disadvantage in a gun fight, as your "reading" strongly implied
Sredni Vashtar

Social climber
The coastal redwoods
Feb 24, 2013 - 04:45pm PT
Norton, you have it confused, the firms dont want cops to have arms 'superior' to those allowed by the citizens.

(disclaimer: I shoot and own guns but i dont do 'tactical', i dont hoard ammunition, i dont want >10 round mags (they're for bad shots), i support the 2nd amendment, i dont wear fatgues at home)

lets go climbing
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Feb 24, 2013 - 09:19pm PT
Excellent editorial that gets at the heart of why gun control laws don't address the real issue:

An other example of this is that lunatic in Alabama who shot a bus driver and kidnapped the kid. He was due to appear in court for the MISDEMEANOR charge of shooting his neighbor's car. Even if he had been convicted, it wouldn't have prevented him legally owning guns.

Things like this make me doubt your statistic about violent crime in the UK being 3 times that of the US, it may be more honestly reported. I know someone who surrendered his handgun in the UK when they were banned, then several years later when a disgruntled employee made some false claims, police searched his house, didn't find what they were after, but did find a half box of ammo forgotten in the back of a drawer. He and his brother were both charged with unlawful possession of a firearm. That's zero-tolerance.

TE





Ricky

climber
Sometimes LA
Feb 24, 2013 - 09:28pm PT

Ron will write something stupid soon.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Feb 24, 2013 - 10:29pm PT
...when a disgruntled employee made some false claims, police searched his house, didn't find what they were after, but did find a half box of ammo forgotten in the back of a drawer. He and his brother were both charged with unlawful possession of a firearm.

Sounds like a great country. Someone lies about you, the cops tear your crib apart, find a few old bullets and you get slapped with unlawful possession of a gun??



Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 24, 2013 - 10:37pm PT
"...police searched his house, didn't find what they were after, but did find a half box of ammo forgotten in the back of a drawer. He and his brother were both charged with unlawful possession of a firearm."



Felons here are subjected to that treatment. NOT free citizens.

Do YOU want to live your life having only the rights granted to FELONS? Even though you've never done anything wrong in your life? If so, then sign on to British style gun control.
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Feb 24, 2013 - 10:58pm PT
Better yet...

Sign on to jghedge's style of gun control where all guns are banned, confiscated, and anyone then caught in possession is declared to be an armed insurgent, with all applicable treatment as such.

jghedge openly stated that trading the lives of those killed under these rules would be a fair trade for the innocent 12,000 lives lost to gun deaths every year.

By the way... Anyone catch the story about the leaked document from the Obama admin regarding gun control? Stated it wouldn't do much without a full registration scheme, etc. Pretty damn well correct. Without such a full registration and tracking scheme, there's really not much you're going to do to effectively remove weapons from the possession of those who shouldn't have them.
Problem is... when the govt then decides some particular type is no longer reasonable for the public to own, they can just swoop right in and get them. And it's happened elsewhere. Currently, their reasoning behind what should be banned and what should be allowed has more to do with gut reaction and fear than any amount of logic and reason. As it tends to be with our govt these days, through many of the past administrations.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 24, 2013 - 11:14pm PT
Credit: Ron Anderson


for sale- Only fired once by previous three owners!

Legal in CAL!
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Feb 25, 2013 - 02:56am PT
I don't really care about this idea of virtually eliminating gun deaths, it's a false cause. Cars, drinking, smoking, drug use, etc. are all much bigger issues if your baseline for judgment is how many die.

I would rather preserve a free society, which millions have died to defend, than let us fall into a state of tyranny to theoretically save a relative few, when in fact you cannot prove your proposed laws would accomplish anything.

Don't bother me with your endless ideology that the Brits have it right either. They have a serious mess on their hands, but it'll take another 10 years or so for it to come to fruition.
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