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blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Feb 20, 2013 - 05:56pm PT
^ ^
OK, and that does seem correct to me as well, just noting the possibility of legal challenges to those laws.
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Feb 20, 2013 - 10:06pm PT
There is no crime of "being here illegally" (although Arizona tried to make one), it is as meaningless as saying that if you broke the speed limit on your way to work, now you are "here illegally" and no longer entitled to own a gun. I'm not suggesting it would be a good idea for an illegal to try pass a background check, but he could perfectly legally buy a gun through other means and if found in otherwise lawful possession of a gun, has committed no crime.
is it climbing season yet?

TE
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 20, 2013 - 10:09pm PT
That's like saying a felon can find a way to buy a gun without going through a background check ( gunshow? ), and still legally own the gun.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 20, 2013 - 10:18pm PT
jghedge writes:

"Convicted felons have fewer rights"


Not as far as guns go, they don't.

Felons and illegal aliens are both on the exact same shitlist. They're both known as "prohibited persons" for all firearm purposes.

See the Gun Control Act of 1968 if you want the truth as to whether or not illegal aliens can legally possess a firearm.

Don't listen to jghedge. Guns isn't his strong subject.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 20, 2013 - 10:31pm PT
"If one found an illegal alien with a gun, what act would apply?"


Illegal weapons possession. It's taken seriously, as in prison time.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 20, 2013 - 10:33pm PT
Here's the Poster Boy for that legal application:

Emmanuel Huitron-Guizar

Google his name.

You're right about dishonorably discharged. That's seen as the same as a felony.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Feb 20, 2013 - 10:41pm PT
Yeah, I looked it up. Dishonorable discharge is very serious, probably involving military prison time till discharge. There are lesser unfavorable disharge status for more minor conduct.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 20, 2013 - 11:48pm PT
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/how-to/identify-prohibited-persons.html

The Gun Control Act (GCA) makes it unlawful for certain categories of persons to ship, transport, receive, or possess firearms. 18 USC 922(g). Transfers of firearms to any such prohibited persons are also unlawful. 18 USC 922(d).

These categories include any person:

...

who is an illegal alien;
Gary

Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
Feb 21, 2013 - 12:29am PT
Hey! Tuesday morning on the 5 I came THAT close to being martyred for the 2nd Amendment! Oh joy! How special!
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 21, 2013 - 12:45am PT
explain...
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 21, 2013 - 01:16am PT
I'll stick to my asessment of jghedge. Guns isn't his strong subject.

He doesn't own any guns. He doesn't shoot. He comes off just like a non-climbing LEB spewing on a climber's forum when he shares his low-information opinions on guns.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 21, 2013 - 01:42am PT
Hey, ^that sounds like Rong talking about invasive species, resource protection, and... well, just about anything other than guns or stuffing dead things.
Gary

Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
Feb 21, 2013 - 08:36am PT
explain...

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-oc-shootings-20130220,0,2319028.story

What an honor it would be to die for the misinterpreted 2nd Amendment rights of gun nuts.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 21, 2013 - 10:54am PT
The price of freedumb Gary. God bless our guns!
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Feb 21, 2013 - 12:31pm PT
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/how-to/identify-prohibited-persons.html

The Gun Control Act (GCA) makes it unlawful for certain categories of persons to ship, transport, receive, or possess firearms. 18 USC 922(g). Transfers of firearms to any such prohibited persons are also unlawful. 18 USC 922(d).

These categories include any person:

...

who is an illegal alien;

I stand corrected, although legal definition of an "illegal alien", would require that to be determined as fact in court.

But did you read the rest?

...who is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance;

How many avid gun nuts posting here does that exclude? Maybe it depends on what your definition of "is", is.

TE
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Feb 21, 2013 - 01:05pm PT
Gun control means hitting what you shoot at.

That makes my gun a controlled substance (that I am addicted to shooting).


So the law contradicts itself.
(that's my story and I'm sticking to it!)
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Feb 23, 2013 - 12:16pm PT
It looks like that little legal discovery has ended discussion on this thread.

Maybe Mr. LaPierre is right, all we need is enforcement of current laws - make peeing in a cup part of that background check.

TE
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 23, 2013 - 12:42pm PT
The now ubiquitous psychiatric medications are legal for those who have a prescription. Just need to change the language a little..

..who is a user of or addicted to any controlled substance that has been shown to alter the discretion of the user, or lives with someone who is.


But I guess that would mean beer. Don't worry, we will figure this out!
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Feb 24, 2013 - 01:45pm PT
Hedge, you and that article make an excellent argument for the prohibition of alcohol. Oh wait, we tried that already.

Take the example raised there of someone who has three DUI's in five years. That person is a lot more likely to commit vehicular homicide than to shoot someone. So let's pull their drivers license. But oh, they drive anyway, and they still drive while drunk.

So your solution is to restrict my freedom and liberty in a lame attempt to feel like you are in some kind of control, since you are virtually powerless to influence the behavior of drunks and nuts.

I had to read a book in Jr. High about this kind of thinking. It was written by George Orwell. I recommend it.
Sredni Vashtar

Social climber
The coastal redwoods
Feb 24, 2013 - 03:28pm PT
I was reading about some fire arms firms refusing to sell their systems in NY now as they dont want the police to be better armed than the citizenry (Cuomo assault weapon ban). I am US-UK with the majority of my time so far being in the UK, i sort of expect the police to carry bigger sticks than the average citizen but here it seems that isnt the case. there are lots of armed police in the UK its just they dont produce guns at every opportunity (locked cases in trunk of patrol cars) and when theres a shooting, that guy gets yanked off duty until its been investigated and he is cleared. something i dont like about here is that cops can produce for many minor things, i was a passenger in a car that rolled a stop in Napa, we pulled over unaware we were being tailed, i exited the car before that cop made himself known to us and i found myself staring down the barrel of a loaded gun, a guy empty handed wearing shorts and a t, little room to hide weapons. i guess what i am asking is do people fear cops here and cops fear (armed citizens)? police shootings in the UK tend to involve under ten shots fired, here it can run into dozens. its all so circular. god save the queen and god bless america.
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