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Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Feb 20, 2013 - 04:23pm PT
Do illegal aliens have the same right to keep and bear arms?

Do you know how to type stuff into google?




Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 20, 2013 - 04:24pm PT
it was a point Dave,, not a question really.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Feb 20, 2013 - 04:26pm PT
A better question:

Why have the courts ruled that the second amendment is different from other Constitutionally guaranteed rights?

Why have they ruled that the right to bear arms can be subject to different rules than the right to free speech or due process?

Could open the door to some interesting legal arguments...
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 20, 2013 - 04:27pm PT
Idiot, due process

Reality

2nd amendment to the CONSTITUTION, part of the bill of RIGHTS... as in the part that protects certain RIGHTS:

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation


14th amendment to the CONSTITUTION:

"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. "

Truthiness herpes

Illegals HAVE ZERO rights under our constitution.. ZERO.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 20, 2013 - 05:06pm PT
Lets see wessie,, the 14th? Have you read the NDAA 2013 laws? Negates that lock stock and barrel.

Now, you say that illegal aliens have the same rights, yet they cannot own fire arms, as they can not pass a brady back ground check being ILLEGAL.

They can be rounded up and removed from this country ANYTIME the feds so choose. They CAN NOT DO THAT to you.. ( bummer)..Now of course thats according to the Constitution, but Obama signed laws that fairly well shreds that to ribbons.


Now tell me again,, how ILLEGAL aliens are the same as you or me?

Only by current Washington policies and the supreme court screwing the Constitution, and that is fakt.

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 20, 2013 - 05:11pm PT
you say that illegal aliens have the same rights

Nope. Never said that. Are your eyes bad, or do you just have 3rd grade reading comprehension?
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Feb 20, 2013 - 05:30pm PT
Whether illegal aliens can own guns has nothing to do with the constitution.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 20, 2013 - 05:44pm PT
Hey Doc,, since WHEN does Obama care about a "budget" ????

Erasing the debt ceiling,, now thats an Obama plan. He once labeled that irresponsible,, back when he was running the first time.


blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Feb 20, 2013 - 05:48pm PT
Whether illegal aliens can own guns has nothing to do with the constitution.

That is only true if you assume that illegal aliens have no rights with respect to the 2nd Amendment. That seems right to me, but illegal aliens have been held to have the right to a publicly financed education, so it's hard to say what rights any particular court may find.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Feb 20, 2013 - 05:51pm PT
I'm not saying a court would not find illegal aliens have a right to bear arms, but rather that they are presumably precluded from doing so by various and as of yet unchallenged gun control laws.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Feb 20, 2013 - 05:56pm PT
^ ^
OK, and that does seem correct to me as well, just noting the possibility of legal challenges to those laws.
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Feb 20, 2013 - 10:06pm PT
There is no crime of "being here illegally" (although Arizona tried to make one), it is as meaningless as saying that if you broke the speed limit on your way to work, now you are "here illegally" and no longer entitled to own a gun. I'm not suggesting it would be a good idea for an illegal to try pass a background check, but he could perfectly legally buy a gun through other means and if found in otherwise lawful possession of a gun, has committed no crime.
is it climbing season yet?

TE
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 20, 2013 - 10:09pm PT
That's like saying a felon can find a way to buy a gun without going through a background check ( gunshow? ), and still legally own the gun.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 20, 2013 - 10:18pm PT
jghedge writes:

"Convicted felons have fewer rights"


Not as far as guns go, they don't.

Felons and illegal aliens are both on the exact same shitlist. They're both known as "prohibited persons" for all firearm purposes.

See the Gun Control Act of 1968 if you want the truth as to whether or not illegal aliens can legally possess a firearm.

Don't listen to jghedge. Guns isn't his strong subject.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 20, 2013 - 10:31pm PT
"If one found an illegal alien with a gun, what act would apply?"


Illegal weapons possession. It's taken seriously, as in prison time.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 20, 2013 - 10:33pm PT
Here's the Poster Boy for that legal application:

Emmanuel Huitron-Guizar

Google his name.

You're right about dishonorably discharged. That's seen as the same as a felony.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Feb 20, 2013 - 10:41pm PT
Yeah, I looked it up. Dishonorable discharge is very serious, probably involving military prison time till discharge. There are lesser unfavorable disharge status for more minor conduct.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 20, 2013 - 11:48pm PT
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/how-to/identify-prohibited-persons.html

The Gun Control Act (GCA) makes it unlawful for certain categories of persons to ship, transport, receive, or possess firearms. 18 USC 922(g). Transfers of firearms to any such prohibited persons are also unlawful. 18 USC 922(d).

These categories include any person:

...

who is an illegal alien;
Gary

Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
Feb 21, 2013 - 12:29am PT
Hey! Tuesday morning on the 5 I came THAT close to being martyred for the 2nd Amendment! Oh joy! How special!
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 21, 2013 - 12:45am PT
explain...
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