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monolith

climber
SF bay area
Mar 26, 2013 - 01:38pm PT
Really, Anderson. If you were shown that video, each side claiming to be innocent, you couldn't form an opinion?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 26, 2013 - 01:45pm PT
mag capacitys have little or nothing to do with anything.. 1.5 seconds per reload of a mag, that is ALL.

They appear to help slaughter innocent children when psychos get a hold of them. But, since they have little or nothing to do with anything, why would you be opposed to limiting mag capacity?

None of the thousands of gun owners i know have ever sold a gun to someone who couodnt have one legally.

You know thousands of people well enough to say, with absolute certainty, that they have never sold a gun to someone who couldn't have one legally? Would you be willing to testify on their behalf in the event they were accused of such an action?

Back ground checks and state run agencies have been doing a good job of denials- this happens frequently..Keeping arms away from the criminal element is a GOOD idea. However, the crminal element does not follow this logic at all.

It has been well established where most guns used in crimes come from. They don't come from Mexico, China, or Canada. They come from gun shops in the good ol USA.

The criminal element follows the logic of the system very effectively. Someone with a clean record who is willing to buy a gun a month and sell it can make bank.

How many of those thousands of gun owners you know buy 12 new guns a year?




just making an assumption

as always


He should have NEVER shot a warning round either.

Warning shot...hahahaaaaa... if he did shoot, it was purely by ACCIDENT as he was holding the gun in both hands (0:19). But I don't think he did... sounded more like a car door slamming to me, but I'm no gun expert....hahahahahaaaaa



http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57576310/road-rage-video-leads-to-n.c-couples-arrest/


This just in:
"The two men stop the beating when Turner's wife, Christy Marie Turner, exits their vehicle with a gun and hands it to her husband, who then allegedly fired shots into the other car. The shooting was not caught on tape."
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 26, 2013 - 01:49pm PT
Well Ron,

a LOT more people carry guns than have a CCL for them

here in New Mexico we have open carry law

but that guy pulled it ouf from under his jacket or shirt

so I can see why you might guess he had a CCL to carry concealed legally

but I sure wouldn't assume it
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 26, 2013 - 01:58pm PT
How many guns do you buy a year ron?


A woman then calmly walks out of the SUV and gives the man a pistol. He points it at the men who beat them up, who hurry into the pickup and drive away as the man fires several shots.

As monolith pointed out, without the video this would have been one of the many cases where a CCW was reported to have thwarted a crime.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 26, 2013 - 02:00pm PT
NOW MANY TIMES per year does a ccw holder thwart a crime.??


I suppose there is no way for sure to know but my guess is quite a few times

but no one here is talking about taking guns away from CCW holders

in fact other than Joe Hedge, no one is talking about confiscating any guns at all
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 26, 2013 - 02:00pm PT
EXACTLY what Norton said.
WBraun

climber
Mar 26, 2013 - 02:06pm PT
I need to buy a gun.

I'm afraid of these anti-gun nuts.

They might do something .......
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Mar 26, 2013 - 02:17pm PT
but no one here is talking about taking guns away from CCW holders

in fact other than Joe Hedge, no one is talking about confiscating any guns at all

You might be being naive about some of the anti gun rights people.

Sen Dianne Feinstein stated very clearly just last year that if she thought she could get the votes she would take away all the guns.

Barack Obama stated in plain English "I don't think that people should be able to own guns." Of course he was a law professor when he said that, but do you really think his core views have changed?

There are a lot of people in government who would confiscate all the guns in public hands if they could.

frank wyman

Mountain climber
montana
Mar 26, 2013 - 02:21pm PT
Beware of the man with only eight rounds....He may be scared enough to make them count!...M1 Garand..
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 26, 2013 - 02:30pm PT
The vast majority of defensive gun uses (DGUs) do not involve killing or wounding an attacker, with government surveys showing 108,000 (NCVS) to 23 million (raw NSPOF) DGUs per year, with ten private national surveys showing 764,000 to 3.6 million DGU per year.

Average government estimate of DGUs: 12 million, +/- 11 million

Average private estimates of DGUs: 2.2 million, +/- 1.4 million

I know you aren't much for statistics, but in general, if your uncertainty is close to your estimate, you might want to be a little cautious about the conclusions you draw from your data.

How many of those were similar to the video posted above, but not caught on video? You saw the video and you still couldn't decide if the gun owner was in the wRong.

up to 23 million times a year

Or as low as 108,000



Barack Obama stated in plain English "I don't think that people should be able to own guns."

Reference needed for direct quotes attributed to others.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 26, 2013 - 02:38pm PT
You might be being naive about some of the anti gun rights people.

wrong

my statement stands: No one here, other than Joe hedge, is talking about taking any guns away



reading carefully is important


on, and "core values"?

gee, it is almost countless the number of times the guy you voted for has changed his mind
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 26, 2013 - 02:39pm PT
Monolith:
You couldn't decide for yourself unless he was charged?

Ron:
from a 30 second vid??? No....

Hence:
You saw the video and you still couldn't decide if the gun owner was in the wRong.


George Zimmerman thwarted a crime with his gun, right? The only problem is that over zealous neighborhood watchman made the mistake of calling the police BEFORE shooting Trayvon. The whole thing would have been an open and shut case... except for the audio recording.

Seems like when there is an audio/video record of one of these "thwartings," the lawful gun carrier often comes out looking pretty bad. I'm not saying all the time, but often.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 26, 2013 - 02:53pm PT
That is a direct quote Ron. How am I ignoring what you said? Monolith asked if you could decide the guy was wrong from the video, you said no. Here's another direct quote:

Now if the guy has been charged then he was in the wrong most likely.

Pretty sure "if-then" statements fall under the category of logic.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 26, 2013 - 02:58pm PT
So, walking up behind someone seated in a car and punching them in the back of the head is not wrong?

i couldnt decide squat from a 30 secnd vid like that.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Mar 26, 2013 - 03:07pm PT
You might be being naive about some of the anti gun rights people.

Sen Dianne Feinstein stated very clearly just last year that if she thought she could get the votes she would take away all the guns.

Barack Obama stated in plain English "I don't think that people should be able to own guns." Of course he was a law professor when he said that, but do you really think his core views have changed?

There are a lot of people in government who would confiscate all the guns in public hands if they could.

You might be being naive about some of the pro gun people.

Sen John Barasso stated very clearly just last year that if he thought he could get the votes he would sell guns to convicted felons.

Mitt Romney stated in plain English "I think children should able to own guns." Of course he was a CEO when he said that, but do you really think his core views have changed?

There are a lot of people in government who would sell guns to anyone if they could.

^^^^
Since we've crossed the line into "just making sh#t up" territory - why not?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 26, 2013 - 03:07pm PT
So the coming from behind sucker punch is questionable to say the least.

And you question my comprehension this morning? WTF?

I do not know what caused his irritations.

Whatever it was, it doesn't justify his actions. This is EXACTLY why background checks need to be stricter. My guess is, if you are willing to walk up and sucker punch someone in the back of the head for "cutting you off" you have issues with controlling your temper... probably documented elsewhere. Obviously those kind of people should not have guns.


Ive seen young folks just like those two pull crap on the roads they most DEFINITLY should have been punished for.

Here's another one of your quotes that I find fitting...

yu guys are quite the judge and jury...Thankfully your NOT on that business.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 26, 2013 - 03:24pm PT
That is the least of the difference.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 26, 2013 - 03:41pm PT
LEO:


LEO:


LEO:
http://www.wwlp.com/dpp/news/local/hampden/agawam-woman-accidentally-shot-by-police


Without cameras those (and many others) would have been reported differently. Clearly the LEOs in those cases would have maintained their clear records... it would have been "justified."

As would the road rage video in question, and Zimmerman, etc. People like you would have fallen back on the position that:

young folks just like those two pull crap on the roads they most DEFINITLY should have been punished for.

The as#@&%e rager and his wife would have concocted a different story (which I assume they were already doing between 1:00 when it happened and 4:00 when they finally got around to "turning themselves in.")

Cameras are small and cheap these days, which is why this kind of unacceptable behavior is being punished more and more.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 26, 2013 - 03:53pm PT
is this where i post fifty links to good actions by LEOs or CCW holders?

No, that would be stupid. We all know there are plenty of good cops and CCW holders out there.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 26, 2013 - 03:55pm PT
LOL Kelly's straw purchase rejected.

The store, Diamondback Police Supply in Tucson has now rejected Kelly’s March 5th purchase, and has sent him a full refund. The decision was announced on the company’s Facebook page, in a post from the Diamondback’s owner/president Douglas MacKinley:


“While I support and respect Mark Kelly’s 2nd Amendment rights to purchase, possess, and use firearms in a safe and responsible manner, his recent statements to the media made it clear that his intent in purchasing the Sig Sauer M400 5.56mm rifle from us was for reasons other then for his personal use. In light of this fact, I determined that it was in my company’s best interest to terminate this transaction prior to his returning to my store to complete the Federal From 4473 and NICS background check required of Mr. Kelly before he could take possession this firearm. A full refund was sent to Mr. Kelly, via express mail, on Thursday of last week.”


.

If you were wondering why it took so long for the transaction to be completed, the delay was due to a local regulation that requires a 20-day waiting period for private gun purchases. The rifle Kelly selected was a used weapon and that kind of transaction is treated as a private sale and the 20-day wait applied. Mark Kelly had not returned to pick up the gun.

Diamondback Police Supply has also announced that the rifle Kelly selected will be donated to the Arizona Tactical Officers Association (ATO), to be raffled off to raise funds for the group. ATO raises money to purchase much-needed equipment for SWAT teams. MacKinley also said that his company will make a $1295 (the price of the rifle) donation to the NRA’s Eddie Eagle GunSafe Program.

Mark Kelly’s representatives have not responded to requests for comments on the rejected purchase of the AR-15 style rifle.

I guess it wasn't so easy for him to purchase an "assault" rifle after all!

It's a good thing too.

That bunch is dangerous when armed with puppies.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/03/25/gabrielle-giffords-husband-pulls-daughters-dog-off-sea-lion-in-laguna-beach/
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