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monolith

climber
SF bay area
Feb 19, 2013 - 01:16pm PT
Chaz hasn't really studied English history, or maybe he just read the children's book version.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 19, 2013 - 01:19pm PT
Where am I wrong? When did England have a homicide rate higher than the U.S. ?
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Feb 19, 2013 - 01:19pm PT
That only goes back to 1900.

Just because a country was violent at one time, does not mean they can't take steps to reduce violence. England proves that point.

You should really study up on England's history. Extreme, bloody, violent.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 19, 2013 - 01:20pm PT
chaz, come on man, we've been through this over and over and over.

The violent crime rate is correlated to population density. England has 3x the population density and as expected 3x the violent crime rate.

The U.S. has always been a more violent place than England.

100% false. England has 3x higher violent crime rate than the US. They have 3x the population density.


THE ONLY THING THAT IS DIFFERENT, as you point out, IS THAT ENGLAND HAS < 1/3 THE HOMICIDE RATE. The difference is in the effectiveness of the tools used... guns.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 19, 2013 - 01:23pm PT
Is this the same England that attempted to take over America shortly after the Euro- arrivals?? Is this the same England that tried to take over Scotland, Ireland etc etc etc.?? And ALWAYS got their butts kicked??
Seems like my cousin D Boone had some piss poor dealings with them also. And he too kicked their asses.

ANd THEN wasnt it the USA who rescued them from domination TWICE?

monolith

climber
SF bay area
Feb 19, 2013 - 01:24pm PT
They had quite a world wide empire, Ron. Hardly 'always' getting their butts kicked.

Seems you and Chaz should go take a junior college history class.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 19, 2013 - 01:26pm PT
and YET,, a "rag-tag" militia of farmers took them on. USA farmers that is.

And YET they would be talking GERMAN today if not for those same USA farmers.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Feb 19, 2013 - 01:27pm PT
lolz, again, the children's story book version of both wars.

Do ya remember what the French did for our 'farmers' in our independence war?

What about what the Russians did in WW2 for our 'farmers'?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 19, 2013 - 01:36pm PT
Yeah Mono,, in typical fashion we had to teach them before they too realized we werent to be messed with. And then they came to our side. How in the hell do you think we got to be the "world power" anyhow?


HINT: it WASNT because we threw our guns down and said "we wanna be like the UK"...
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Feb 19, 2013 - 01:44pm PT
lolz, again, the children's story book version of both wars.

Ron's version of the war is too simple even for children.

Here is the complete explanation of why the Allies won, summarized in one simple chart:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_production_during_World_War_II
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 19, 2013 - 01:47pm PT
I'm not sure what you're trying to show there, jghedge.

England, with fewer gun homicides per capita than the U.S., passes a bunch of gun laws, and then England still has fewer gun homicides than that of the U.S.

That proves something, I'm sure, but it doesn't prove anything about gun laws.


EDIT:

Given the chance to clarify, jghedge instead posts this
VVVVV
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 19, 2013 - 01:52pm PT
Chaz, just for illumination,, hedgeworm was complaining on another thread about NOT getting his balls groped at airports recently. NTTAWWT...However,,,...;^)
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 19, 2013 - 02:04pm PT
FACT: the UK has over 3x the violent crime rate
(as expected based on population density)

yet 1/3 the number of homicides

BECAUSE of the limited gun ownership in the UK
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 19, 2013 - 02:11pm PT
FACT: the USA was never , will never-- be the UK..We have WAY better food.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 19, 2013 - 02:18pm PT
I'd say we're more like Mexico. At least where I live.

And we all know what's happened to the homicide rate in Mexico over the last century - while at the same time Mexico enacted some of the strictest gun laws in the world.

Strict gun laws here are more likely to turn us into Mexico, than to turn us into England.

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 19, 2013 - 02:20pm PT
ouuuwwwTRU THAT!
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Feb 19, 2013 - 02:21pm PT
FACT: the USA was never , will never-- be the UK..We have WAY better food.

Very true.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 19, 2013 - 02:21pm PT
Strict gun laws here are more likely to turn us into Mexico, than to turn us into England.

ah, yes, because our citizens are exploited by capitalist pigs to the north and get paid ~$7 a day for honest labor, driving our citizens to a more profitable life of crime.... perfectly reasonable conclusion, if you are an idiot.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 19, 2013 - 02:24pm PT
7 bucks an hour? R U KIDDING Wessie? The homies be driving 2013 escalades here wessie. With the spinner wheels taboot.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 19, 2013 - 02:27pm PT
jghedge,

My part of the country is much more like Mexico than England, because about 1/3 of the local population is FROM Mexico. Another 1/3 are of Mexican ancestory.
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