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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 4, 2013 - 02:26pm PT
Those most likely to bring harm my way do indeed posses illegal FULLY auto chinese AK 47s.. Ive watched them shooting them at the local range. That is exactly what i need to think about when considering my personal defense. And the 2nd amendment says that shall not be infringed upon.. The IHOP shooter had an illegal AK 47, chinese made ...Bad guys have them. They dont listen to you nor i nor any "law"...
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Feb 4, 2013 - 02:35pm PT
Don't need no semi auto don't need no fully auto I gots me a bunch of these.
Credit: philo
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Feb 4, 2013 - 02:37pm PT
I swore I wouldn,t post here, but damn if it doesn,t jus chap my ass to see all the lies, misinformation, and downright bullshit being spewed out both extremes on the issue.

Banning certain types of firearms is an ineffective attempt to sooth a populace who expects action in response to mass shootings. There are, what, 300 million guns in this country, every functioning one of them capable of ending a human life? How would you remove those banned firearms already in circulation? Short of a full-on license and registration scheme that includes door to door search and confiscation, it aint gona happen. If it did, that would represent a totalitarian police state the likes of which would definitely be something other than a free country.

The United States Supreme Court has ruled that individual persons have the individual right to keep and bear arms, independent of the militia factor, with reasonable restrictions. The individual right is ruled upon. Nw its the reasnable restrictins that are debateable. The militia clause is a moot point. If i were to say "gun threads being the most evidentiary place, Riley Wyna is an arrogant prick" you would undestand that I,ve called him an arrogant prick, not that he can only be one on gun threads. But, much like nobody is calling for thd outright ban and confiscatin of all guns in this country, I only used that as an example and did not actually call Riley Wyna an arrogant prick. Should he feel that I,ve unfairly indicatf him in my example, I will happily retract his name, if he retrats all those accusations of idiocy about our fellow S.T members. Indeed, there are plenty of us here that could stand to revisit our belief that name-calling and direct persnal auack are acceptable means of self-expression.

Armed guards in schools- seriously? You,d need one in every classroom in every school in the country to be effective. How long does it take to dump 20 rounds from two revolvers and a twelve gauge without even reloading? We,re talking the typical American traditional guns folks. Add a long range single shot hunting gun and you can have D.C Sniper-like effects to the mix. Thats the realistic risk of having ANY firearms in society. And what about malls? Restaurants? Movie theatres? You cant post armed guards everywhere. Neither can you eliminate all deadly firearms here. See comments on Supreme Court Rulgng above.

In fact, we are a nation at risk. We accept those risks daily. Every time you get in your car and drive, you accept the risk. Its the price you pay for freedom. We dont ban alcohol. We dont ban smoking. We dont ban cell phones. We do, however, place what are maybe some reasonable restrictions on their usage. Be 21 to buy booze. Dont smoke in restaurants. Dont drink or call while driving. Dont speed, no matter how fast your car is. How easy in our modern world would it be to govern cars to awstate mandated speed limit? Would you buy one? No- thats an infringement.

We are at risk. In spite of our laws and regulations. And we all hide behind the threadbare veil of safety it offers. Terrorists really cant get on planes anymore. Have you ever considered how vulnerable you are in a security line with 200 fellow passengers all penned up like cattle?

It,s truly a precarious balance, that between individual freedom and public safety. Unfortunately, here as with so many other aspects of our supposedly great nation, we,re likely going to pass some ridiculous new law that does little more than pacify our desire tm feel protected. In the name of safety, we chip away at our individual freedoms, ever so slightly edging toward a nanny state. Guys dog junps in boiling hotspring on public lands thats been there 10000 years. Guy jumps in to save it. Dies. Widow sues govt. Govt has to post warnings and fence springs. WTF? Where did individual responsibility go?

Right. Back to guns. Do we erode our freedom and ban scary black rifles? Or do we try for better, long term solutions? There is no perfect answer, no perfect balance. People will still drink and drive. There will still be shootings. But we CAN do things.

Make background checks universal. Automate the system. Go online, plug a name, ID, or RRN and get a simple yes/no. Easy.

Report all mental issues to NICS system. Provide more mental health services.

Require gun owners to pass a safety class. You gota do it to hunt already, even if you only use a bow. So WTF not?

Lots of people tout England as a fine example. No guns. Still 35 deaths. Where,d those guns come from? Hey, you want to live in a monarchy where they can do just about whatever they damn well please, then kudos to you. Move.

I tell you what, the drunk down the street in the Nissan is the greater threat. And personally, I think a guy in a semi rolling through a special event could do more damage than any one of our mass shootings.

Its a free country here. Or at least it should be. And it,s unsettling that our V.P, the man in charge of delivering a realistic, practical solution thinks shotguns would be a better, more effective defensive weapon than an assault rifle. Indeed, by that logic shotguns should be banned instead of AR,s and we should be thankful Newton wasnt committed with a 12gauge. And while i applaud the president,s effort to identify with gun owners, that picture was so false it made my teeth hurt. We need more from our leadership. They need more than strict condemnation from us.

It,s well past time for intelligent converation. Bans aint it. Neither is anarchy. You alienate eachother with name-calling and unsupported rhetoric. It entrenches the opporition when ynu make false accusations like "you want all my guns" or "gun nuts are all a bunch of stupid rednecks". Certainly, there is a fitting minority. But hell, maybe all climbers with red really ARE gay?

So go on and continue the attacks. Ignore the opposition and the trth as well. That wdy, when it doesnt go your way you can take a deep breath and scream your bloody head off.

If you wont take the time to at least consider a reasonable compromire and instead prefer to sling sh#t and insults, then f*#k you for being part of the problem.

Have a nice day.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 4, 2013 - 02:41pm PT
I actually found a grenade in the mud by the launch ramp at a popular lake when it was low..

Called the park service, and this wad shows up "highly doubting" it to be real,, until i handed it to him and he nearly shat himself!

An hour later,, after the ramp had been closed,, and the yerington bomb squad showed up,, the finally detonated it...

Made quite to boom in the early morning fishing..No doubt came from fallon Naval base-- some wad using the "dupont spinner" technique..

The Jar heads at pickle meadows blew up junction reservoir, a fish and game hatchery pond with huge brood fish in it with the same little bombs.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 4, 2013 - 02:42pm PT
I know yer skurd, but try to relax. 90+% of the guns used in crimes are handguns. Less than 1% are full-auto.

This is from CA... which, FYI includes the Bay Area... that place you always complain about.

http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/pdfs/publications/Firearms_Report_10.pdf


Hillrat, I agree with some of what you say, like:

Make background checks universal. Automate the system. Go online, plug a name, ID, or RRN and get a simple yes/no. Easy.

Report all mental issues to NICS system. Provide more mental health services.

Require gun owners to pass a safety class. You gota do it to hunt already, even if you only use a bow. So WTF not?



But, THIS is absolute horseshit!

Lots of people tout England as a fine example. No guns. Still 35 deaths. Where,d those guns come from?

Yeah, compared to 30,000+... yeah, nearly 1000 times more. The question isn't "where'd the guns come from" the question is, "why the FUK aren't some in the US willing to even DISCUSS measures to bring the gun related death toll down 1000 times its current rate."
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 4, 2013 - 02:44pm PT
aint skeert..Why? that 2nd amendment allows me reasonable protection.

and sheesh,, what? You mean assault weapons arent being used commonly?? Say it aint so! Thats what they want to ban..?



edit : Wes heres why for one reason,, in the ghettos and ganglands, the shootings primarily involve ganger on ganger or down trodden on down troden and NO ONE GIVES A RIP- not even the govt, they just use em for number tallys- and its been going on for years now. And just keeps spreading.
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Feb 4, 2013 - 02:57pm PT
The majority are willing. Their perspective gets skewed by horsesh#t, emotion, and irrationality. Both sides. And if we contribute MORE horseshit with some crap law thats ineffective, it will be due to ignorance, fear, and a lack of ability to actually solve issues. Which is exactly where we,re heading.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 4, 2013 - 03:10pm PT
YEAH!!

things are just fine the way we are, we don't need no stupid new laws

mass murder is just the price we pay for our RIGHTS


don't you know that Freedom Ain't Free?

and if anyone, anyone, tries to DO something to mitigate mass murder, FIGHT THEM!

mock them, scream 2nd Amendment, I have RIGHTS!

no one, f*#king no one, is gonna take MY guns away damn it

oh, and those 20 six year olds?

sorry about them and all but it's not about them, it's about ME and MY RIGHTS
jghedge

climber
Feb 4, 2013 - 03:15pm PT
"That is exactly what i need to think about when considering my personal defense. And the 2nd amendment says that shall not be infringed upon.."

Nope. Nothing in the 2nd about "personal defense."

Were that true, I could legally disarm anyone, for "personal defense".
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 4, 2013 - 03:27pm PT
Stoopid laws. Next they are going to tell me I have to wear my seat belt and can't text in my nitro burning funny car. Where will they stop? No more lethal booby traps around my property to insure domestic tranquility?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 4, 2013 - 03:38pm PT
Americans have a RIGHT to 700 horsepower cars (no, not if laws say otherwise)

so what if the speed limits are 75, it's a RIGHT, no that comes from government


NO, driving a car is NOT a "right", it is a PRIVILEGE, granted by GOVERNMENT
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 4, 2013 - 04:10pm PT
we pay for our roads Norton,, and then some.. That is hardly a granted privlage. That was the american way. Much like You when you jump on the Harley to go burn some gas just for that pleasure. Just like the Wine you may consume,, the PEOPLE decided they wanted it, damm the govt,, and won.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 4, 2013 - 04:20pm PT
Speaking of SandyHook Norton,, have you wondered why there were facebook pages that existed for the victims on dec 10th 2012? Four days before the shooting, or another web page created on the 12th,, 2 days before the shooting,, copied by many before the dates were later taken off or revised, yet the original URLS still had the correct dates?

Have you wondered why Pres Obama was posed with one of the "victims" a few days after her supossed demise?


Have you wondered why one of the "parent interviews" played over and over on the major news networks turned out to be two actors from Florida, and not the names given in said interviews, nor did they even have kids there or any connection with anyone in SandyHook??


Have you wondered why there was clear vids of them removing a rifle from the trunk and repeated reports of any where from two to four handguns inside? Yet the shooting was done with the rifle.?



What about the lil ol man and the six children he supposedly helped? That story has enough holes to be a screen door. He too is a member of the actors guild as it now turns out.



and NOT a word about the additional people that were RUNNING from the police in earlier released vids and one being arrested in a Van. that have also been copied.. Running even after multiple police were chasing and yelling at them. They were taken into custody.



And if AL had his brothers ID ,, why did his brother say he hadnt seen him in years.?



Why is it now said the mother never was a kindergarten teacher there when there is footage of a local newsperson who speaks of the interview with the NURSE of the school that said she knew her well from exactly that> and the nurse now doesnt even exist..?? HUH?


Theres about fifty more glaring inconsistencies involving the news storys of the event.



Why was the car used reportedly the mothers when it was registered to a convicted fellon? Of unknown association ?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 4, 2013 - 04:51pm PT
want some more?



heres where to start:http://www.enstarz.com/articles/12591/20130202/sandy-hook-hoax-video-truther-conspiracy-theorists-speak-out-on-newtown-connecticut-shooting-video.htm


Watch both Vids the first and second. If this doesnt make you have questions then nothing will. And its endorsed by college professors as well.



From the start i had a sick gut feeling and evidence is out there in hard copy..Weve not been told the truth. Evil is evil yes,, but children went beyond evil.. And i smelled a damm rat right off. Never ignore the instincts.
WBraun

climber
Feb 4, 2013 - 04:54pm PT
Hey Ron there's this place too.

http://sandyhookhoax.blogspot.com/

And we can count on monolith showing up any minute to tool the whole affair .....
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 4, 2013 - 04:56pm PT
we pay for our roads Norton,, and then some.. That is hardly a granted privlage.
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wrong, Ron

apparently you do not realize that the roads you drive on are PUBLIC roads

they are designed by and paid for by government, with taxpayer money

the fact that you drive on them is a result of the PRIVILEGE of getting Drivers License, which you had to pass a government test to get

there is no "right" to drive on a public road, on your own property, yes
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 4, 2013 - 04:59pm PT
Ron asked me this question:

Have you wondered why Pres Obama was posed with one of the "victims" a few days after her supossed demise?

no Ron, I have never wondered because I am not aware that a dead person could go forward in time to have a picture taken with someone still alive

but I guess you believe this is not only possible, but actually happened

ok, I give up Ron

post the link to this VERIFIED and truthful "story" and picture
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 4, 2013 - 05:03pm PT
uhhh look about two posts up Norton...the vids have over a million hits.


And Yeah Werner that too is interesting..And she is right on...


The holes and evidence now compiled are very hard to deny..
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Feb 4, 2013 - 05:37pm PT
Fine. Let's run with the car comparison again. What type of person, exactly, is prohibited from buying and owning a car? Do you have to have a license to allow ownership? Uh... no. You need a license to drive on public roads. You can still drive one on private property without the license.

But you have to have a license to drive. You can still buy a 200mph car, or bike, without a license. Now just where are you going to go drive it?

When the f*#k did I say to hell with any of the sandy hook victims? Where did I say there was nothing that could be done to curb violence, specifically GUN violence?

No... you're interpreting that whole rant to mean I don't want anything done. Great job on the comprehension there. I said I didn't think banning specific types of firearms would work. But hey, I guess you have the right to ignore anything I proposed that wasn't an outright ban of firearms. So I guess we know exactly where you stand and your disdain for all firearms in this country.

And that's exactly what I'm talking about in the last line.
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Feb 4, 2013 - 05:46pm PT
the vids have over a million hits.
That's because the sane people are curious as to what you guy's are f*#king thinking
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