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hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Feb 18, 2013 - 07:14pm PT
jghedge... Damn.... you are correct! How did you EVER get to be such a brilliant shining star?!

You're still obsessed.... fanatic.

Is wikipedia your standard source? How wonderful.

Hey, btw- just to let you know your uncompromising attitude is doing a fine job of convincing me there should be less gun control. Way to go fighting for your cause dude!
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Feb 18, 2013 - 07:26pm PT
Did Wiki get it wrong? The slaves were freed during the civil war right?
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Feb 18, 2013 - 07:27pm PT
I don't know... why would I waste my time reading his linked article?
Anyway, slavery wasn't the only issue in that war there, you know.
abrams

Sport climber
Feb 18, 2013 - 07:29pm PT
bad guys chill when good guys have machine guns

Credit: abrams



TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Feb 18, 2013 - 07:30pm PT
He's trying to equate slavery with the second amendment.
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Feb 18, 2013 - 07:31pm PT
Would that be like comparing guns to cars?

No... he was proving my lesser intelligence by pointing out my generality that the fringes will never win by pointing to abolition as a fringe movement in the south.

Or perhaps... saying he's a sympathizer to the idea of slavery? Got a plantation there mr hedge?

Hmm... now I'm all confused...
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Feb 18, 2013 - 07:35pm PT
Would that be like comparing guns to cars?

Well, they all should be registered...
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Feb 18, 2013 - 07:36pm PT
Worked great for Canada.
And I'll say again... If we can confiscate guns from prohibited persons, like they do in CA, then we can confiscate cars from unlicensed owners.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Feb 18, 2013 - 07:40pm PT
then we can confiscate cars from unlicensed owners.

they are "undocumented"

that would be soooo not PC!
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Feb 18, 2013 - 07:40pm PT
He's trying to equate slavery with the second amendment.

Which is ridiculous because the second amendment is in the original Constitution and slavery is a cruel anachronism.

Right?



hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Feb 18, 2013 - 07:43pm PT
So their government works exactly the same as ours does eh? Do you live there? I mean, they're so obviously superior, right?
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Feb 18, 2013 - 07:44pm PT
Cars are not USUALLY confiscated as a result of the loss of a driver's license. THAT's what I'm referring to. You didn't catch that, obviously.

Edited: to reflect a more accurate statement for jghedge
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Feb 18, 2013 - 07:45pm PT
Oh, and yes I clearly understand your intent to outlaw guns. That much is very clear. Tell me... how would you remove them?
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Feb 18, 2013 - 07:47pm PT
Slavery was legal prior to the Civil War. Then it was outlawed. Much like your opinion of what we should do with guns. Did I get that right or do you wish to further correct me?
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Feb 18, 2013 - 07:53pm PT
Many of the 2nd Amendment arguments are based on the premise that the Framers had some divinely-inspired extraordinary wisdom. (This reverence for the Framers has given rise to the modern phenomenon of what Ed. H. has called "Constitutional fetishism")

The Framers were smart guys, but obviously they didn't get everything right the first time.
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Feb 18, 2013 - 07:58pm PT
They were clearly intelligent... but not the gods some would wish to attribute them to be. I think it speaks a lot that they wrote the Constitution as a living document, capable of update and alteration. Some parts were better written than others, and sometimes we need to make changes, as well as plenty of interpretations. It's going to be happening long after we're all dead and gone.
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Feb 18, 2013 - 08:00pm PT
"Forced confiscation after that, and anyone still in possession is in armed insurrection against the US Gov, and subject to military law."

What part of the constitution does that violate, do you think?
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Feb 18, 2013 - 08:03pm PT
Amendment 5 - Trial and Punishment, Compensation for Takings. Ratified
12/15/1791.
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a
presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval
forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall
any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor
shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived
of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be
taken for public use, without just compensation.

Hell, maybe you don't believe in the 5th either.
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Feb 18, 2013 - 08:04pm PT
Do you know what kind of damage a shotgun can do?
pud

climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
Feb 18, 2013 - 08:08pm PT
Forced confiscation after that, and anyone still in possession is in armed insurrection against the US Gov, and subject to military law.

Good luck with that.
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