Ron Anderson
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Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
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Thats true Wade,, being a taxidermist, i get all sorts of freshly packaged meats from my customers along with what i hunt every year. I never have to worry about the many recalls and meats that have all manner of growth hormones and other fine additives to feeds and such.. Fish fowl and game meat from the wild is simply the best you can provide for yourself or family. IF one knows how to take care of it properly.
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mechrist
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South of Heaven
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Perhaps this is a dandy example of tyranny, that the govt in ITS desires can classify such a weapon as "personal defense" while wanting the citizenry to have gramps double barrel 12 gauge.
Wow, tyranny eh? Wow. Sounds more like semantics to me. Pretty sure any weapon assigned to an individual in the military is termed a "personal weapon."
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Ron Anderson
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Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
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these are NOT being assigned to any military. They specifically term them as "personal protection" by term and definition. If its good enough for uncle sam then why not me? Why in the laws proposed against the good citizenry does this same weapon be classified specifically as an assault weapon?
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Especially in a debate about the 2nd Amendment.
Ah yes, "debating" all 27 words in the 2nd amendment as it relates to semi auto assault weapons... based on the inferred intentions of our founding fathers... who never in their lives saw a single cartridge.
these are NOT being assigned to any military.
They are testing them you dipsh#t. Read the actual document, not just the bullshit blogs.
"A personal weapon or ordnance weapon is a weapon that is issued to an individual member of a military or paramilitary unit, e.g. to individual infantry soldiers, but also side arms carried by officers or other personnel."
Check out the list of "personal weapons." And NO, YOU cannot have an M136 either.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_individual_weapons_of_the_U.S._Armed_Forces
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Ron Anderson
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The premise IS,, the exact same,, as it ever was.
When it was written:
Govts had muzzle loaders, so did the people
NOW: govt classifys ARs as personal protection
the people have that same right.
NOTHING has changed.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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NOW: government has fuking drones, tanks, fighter jets, stealth bombers, etc you moron.
EVERYTHING has changed.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Semantic twits are still semantic twits.
A soldier gets an AR as his personal weapon so civilians are entitled too. LOL. Good one, Ron.
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Ron Anderson
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PERSONAL PROTECTION IS WHAT THE 2nd AMENDMENT WAS ABOUT.
personal
protection
personal = self
protection = gun, long and short of the times as classified by the govt.
edit: Mono, not ONE of the recently ordered thousands of ARs are going to a military unit.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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You are all hung up on the MILITARY classification of "personal weapon" as opposed to crew weapons. They classify grenade launcher, land mines, and anti-tank weapons as personal. You are even stoopider than I thought if you think civilians should have access to those.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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I'd give money to see Ron present his semantic twisting arguments to any court.
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Ron Anderson
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Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
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personnel and PERSONAL are two diff things wessie,, i wouldnt try and debate gun semantics with me if i were you..and its anti-PERSONNEL, not PERSONAL- meaning self, singular.
DHS is a civilian govt agency NOT a military one and THEY classify the AR15 as a PERSONAL protection arm..
edit: Mono,, i was court and case officer for ALL of my violations that went to court in the USFS, with a 100% record i might add.
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jghedge
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"NOW: govt classifys ARs as personal protection
the people have that same right.
NOTHING has changed."
Hahahaha, sorry, Rong, you just defeated your own argument (again), and are too stupid to see it (again).
No gun defends against the arsenal soldiers have, whether classified as "personal protection" or not, therefore your justification for private gun ownership fails.
Again.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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the present interpretation of the 2nd Amendment will stand until we have a Sandy Hook mass murder on a weekly or even daily basis some day in the future
we're just getting warmed up now with only 200 million guns
only a mass public outcry, like in Britain and Australia, will change this
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jghedge
climber
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" i wouldnt try and debate gun semantics with me if i were you.."
Hahahaha, you got that right, for once
First you'd need to understand the difference between valid debate points, and emotion-based gibberish
And you're miles away from being there.
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Ron Anderson
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Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
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If that would ever happen Norton, youll have to give up yours too. Willing?
and the more accurate gun count is nearly 400 million..There are countless guns off the books- older in age.
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jghedge
climber
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"only a mass public outcry, like in Britain and Australia, will change this"
Or a gov't show of force, demonstrating the futility of private arsenals purposed for insurrection
Which is already apparent to all except the delusional fools who think they can out-gun the gov't.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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i wouldnt try and debate gun semantics with me if i were you
cuz that would be like you arguing about ecology based on 1974 tire based stream restoration and species identifying fish finders! Point taken.
Fact is, DHS is acquiring those guns for testing purposes... NOT to invade Carson City. Fact remains, the Army issues individual weapons that you, or any other civilian, have no business handling. Semiautos capable of killing dozens of people in minutes fall into that category... unless you can convince me that you suck so bad at hunting that you need one.
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Ron Anderson
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Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
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when you learn what yur talking about lemme know.. What you MEANT to say is FULLY auto,, as anyone can own a semi auto..A ruger 1022 is a semi auto weapon. So is grandads savage 22 semi auto, along with every glock, taurus, baretta etc...
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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No, what I mean to say is you, or any civilian, has no need for a semiautomatic weapon capable of such destruction... unless you need to fire 30+ rounds a minute to get your meat or you are such a horrible shot that you need 30+ to stop an intruder.
Reading comprehension... it is kind of critical to online "debate"
Semiautos capable of killing dozens of people in minutes...
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