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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 18, 2013 - 09:16pm PT
Why do the police and IRS and SS agencies need ARs????
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 18, 2013 - 09:16pm PT
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE tell me what those are. I'm trying to get anyone to provide a realistic personal defense scenario where a high velocity round, large capacity magazine, and rapid fire capability is necessary.

well ok then!

lets say a bad gun comes to break into your house and he has a high velocity round, large capacity magazine and rapid rapid capacity weapon

you would NOT want me to be OUTGUNNED now would you?

what if he came to my door with an M1A1 Abrams tank, I would need one too

simple
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Feb 18, 2013 - 09:23pm PT
You want to deny the police AR's, Ron? Are ya serious?


Why does the IRS need powerful weapons?

Because the IRS can be involved in dangerous investigations.

IRS CI division has been investigating dangerous organizations such as drug traffickers since the 1920s. Established in 1919 as the "Intelligence Unit" and changing its name in 1978, CI's agents have historically investigated potentially dangerous individuals and organizations, beginning with its first investigation of an "opium trafficker in Hawaii in the early 1920s." CI's Narcotics division has stated its "goal is to utilize the financial investigative expertise of its special agents to disrupt, dismantle, through investigation, prosecution and asset forfeiture, the country's major drug and money laundering organizations."

http://mediamatters.org/research/2010/02/04/right-wing-blogosphere-baselessly-fearmonger-ov/160071

Social Security agents also investigate fraud, and sometimes go into dangerous situations as well.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Feb 18, 2013 - 09:24pm PT
lets say a bad gun comes to break into your house and he has a high velocity round, large capacity magazine and rapid rapid capacity weapon

you would NOT want me to be OUTGUNNED now would you?

If he is breaking into my house why would I be worried about you being out gunned?

But seriously, the chances of someone with a weapon like you describe breaking into my home is a statistical possibility. It has happened around here before and it will happen again. I would prefer not to be outgunned since there is already a good chance I'll be outnumbered (gangs you know.)

An M1 Abrams? Not a chance in hell unless it's being driven by soldiers.

BTW, what the heck is a high velocity round? A bullet which goes fast? In my 9mm I shoot 147 grain subsonics. They are not high velocity but they sure pack a punch. Are those bad too?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 18, 2013 - 09:29pm PT
I shoot 148 grain, so there.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Feb 18, 2013 - 09:29pm PT
It's pointless to explain to a serf,


The value of being a free citizen.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 18, 2013 - 09:33pm PT
someone questioned as to what good it does to require guns be registered


this from our local Albuquerque news service demonstrates how important it is:

The indictment states Taylor bought two handguns from The Sportsmen's Warehouse in Albuquerque on Aug. 6. It also said on Aug. 17 Taylor bought two more guns from The Shooters Den on San Mateo.

But Taylor has been charged for lying to the gun stores about who the guns were for.

The indictment never mentions a connection of the guns with convicted felon Chris Blattner. He had a standoff with police just five days after Taylor bought the final two guns. Police said Blattner shot at police.

Taylor has now been arrested for providing the guns, straw man purchase
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 18, 2013 - 10:00pm PT
a gun "registry" is already completed when you fill out a brady back ground check. It registers either A) long gun, or B) hand gun. Why does anyone need to know more than that.? OBVIOUSLY the FBI doesnt give a rip,, so why does anyone else?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 18, 2013 - 10:21pm PT
try to follow this, Ron

a background check involves the purchase of a weapon from a licensed dealer and records only that particular weapon

Police Departments strongly support registering not only new purchases but also knowing who "used" guns belong to in order to track them in the commission of crimes

in addition, the FBI deals with only specific FEDERAL issues, and leaves local law enforcement, including crimes committed with firearms, largely up to local enforcement



see the difference now?
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 18, 2013 - 10:24pm PT
Ask any cop if his guns are registered.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 18, 2013 - 10:52pm PT
Why?
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Feb 18, 2013 - 11:19pm PT
It's pointless to explain to a serf,


The value of being a free citizen.

Yeah, I'm sure there is a really big variation in the amount of freedom each of us enjoys.

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 18, 2013 - 11:20pm PT
I have 3 guns worth of freedom. That's plenty for me.
crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Feb 18, 2013 - 11:22pm PT
Norton, you have the patience of Job.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 18, 2013 - 11:45pm PT
Duh Norton.. But , to think they will somehow magically have all bad guys register their "used" guns or the ILLEGAL guns that have flowed into this country from others is a bit optimistic, and ONCE again, youll make decent law abiding folks have to bear the burden FOR NOTHING.
It is NONE of ANYONES business on this earth as to how many weapons i have, or how many butter knifes, or how much toilet paper i consume.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Feb 19, 2013 - 12:11am PT
Bad guys take good guys guns. Registration helps solve and track the crime.

Why would the law abiding citizen not want to help with solving these crimes?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 19, 2013 - 10:59am PT
Guns, just like cars,, have serial numbers removed.. Just like the vin numbers get removed or changed. THE ONLY way guns are actually tracked in a crime is through ballistics. IE : AFTER The crimes. And that is the only factor,,the crime that is.

Now consider Dad wanting to buy his sons a gun? Consider a friend buying a gun for a gift to another friend..Even if both are perfectly legal, this will become ILLEGAL. Shooting is a SPORT,, its in the olympics as well. So it is a more valid sport than CLIMBING in some aspects.
There are AR forums that concern themselves only with those weapons - just like ST does with climbing.

For all of this talk of gun control,, NOT ONE MENTION of how to keep them from the hands of bad guys. _OOOOoohhhww lets throw up some NEW LAWS, THAT will make those scallywags fall in line right? WRONG....Thus far, it will only make GOOD FOLKS become illegal.

Comparing honest decent law abiding folks to nut cases with guns is akin to comparing gym climbers to a Bachar or Osman...NOT in the same league.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Feb 19, 2013 - 11:08am PT
It is not the "bad guys" that concern me, it's the "good guys" who snap and go on a rampage that do.
What about all the "law abiding" citizens now dead from a plethora of mass killings using guns as the weapon of choice? Or are you only concerned with what you want? Are the deaths of innocent law abiding Americans the price we all must pay for the rights of some?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 19, 2013 - 11:14am PT
Philo,, thats what ive been attempting to tell you.. Its NOT about what I WANT, or YOU want.. I want ALL murders of that nature stopped. But GUN LAWS wont do a damm thing about it. It would be like banning bolts and calling for the removal of them all because some senators son got hurt when one failed.


These new laws proposed ONLY affect those that follow the laws. Crazys often dont follow the law. ANd WHY should I have to pay for others actions?

If a climber gets killed at the Loaf, should they SHUT IT down? No.

How many were killed this week on our nations roads via drunk driving? Or cell phone and texting? Do we BAN cell phones? No.. Ban cars? no..Ban BARS? Nope again. Why is it that THOSE get a free pass?

edit: As i stood in a line of some 10,000 folks at the gun show last weekend, we all commented on how under control, calm and respectful everyone was while standing in a line the likes no one there had ever experienced. It was CRAZY, yet completely calm and respectful by those 10,000 plus folks. We all remarked on that- the largest lines ever, yet total civility in the face of frustration of a 2 hour line wait just to get in, and another 3 hour line wait to get ammo..Yet nary a discouraging word was heard.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 19, 2013 - 11:28am PT
11 YR OLD SHOOTS ILLEGALS thanks FOX NEWS for reporting it. BUTTE , MONTANA Shotgun preteen vs. Illegal alien Home Invaders...Two illegal aliens, Ralphel Resindez, 23, and Enrico Garza, 26, probably believed they would easily overpower home-alone 11-year-old Patricia Harrington after her father had left their two-story home. It seems the two crooks never learned two things: they were in Montana and Patricia had been a clay-shooting champion since she was nine.Patricia was in her upstairs room when the two men broke through the front door of the house. She quickly ran to her father's room and grabbed his 12-gauge Mossberg 500 shotgun. Resindez was the first to get up to the second floor only to be the first to catch a near point blank blast of buckshot from the 11-year-old's knee-crouch aim. He suffered fatal wounds to his abdomen and genitals.When Garza ran to the foot of the stairs, he took a blast to the left shoulder and staggered out into the ...street where he bled to death before medical help could arrive. It was found out later that Resindez was armed with a stolen 45-caliber handgun he took from another home invasion robbery. That victim, 50-year-old David 0'Burien, was not so lucky. He died from stab wounds to the chest.Ever wonder why good stuff never makes NBC, CBS, PBS, MSNBC, CNN, or ABC news........? An 11 year old girl, properly trained, defended her home, and herself......against two murderous, illegal immigrants.......and she wins. She is still alive. Now THAT is Gun Control!Thought for the day.... Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist.'I like this kind of e-mail! American citizens defending themselves and their homes.
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