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Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Feb 3, 2013 - 10:29am PT
Your point Riley?

What a tragedy! And with the vehicle theft this looks like a straight up robbery/ homicide.

The comments after the article illustrate just how clueless (not to mention heartless) many anti-gun libs are.

I am, quite frankly, surprised and insulted by your broad brush indictments.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 3, 2013 - 10:30am PT
Condolences to Mr Kyles family and freinds.. A loss to our nation.



mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 3, 2013 - 10:31am PT
If only someone there had a gun and knew how to use it...


More guns make us more safer.
jghedge

climber
Feb 3, 2013 - 11:04am PT
"If only someone there had a gun and knew how to use it..."

Yes because we know that all it would have taken to stop the killer was...other people with guns.

What a pity this didn't occur where armed citizens could have stopped it.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Feb 3, 2013 - 11:14am PT
Strange that this thread should surface, I wasn't going to post to bring it to the top page, but I was just reading a "News & Analysis" piece in last week's Science (25 January), title: "Gun Control Agenda Is A Call to Duty for Scientists"

This piece recalls that Congress had successfully withdrawn funding studies by the CDC (Center for Disease Control and Prevention) and the NIH (National Institute for Health) in the 1990s. Congressman Jay Dickey had the CDC budget cut by $2.6M, the "precise amount of the research budget" for gun violence.

1996 legislation prohibited research that might "advocate or promote gun control." From that date to 2010 academic papers on gun violence fell 60%, and this lack of direct research support was compounded by legislation that restricted collection and access to gun related crime data by the Department of Justice. (The Tiahrt Amendments).

While there seems to be some debate in this thread about the research, it is important to note that research has been greatly impeded by Congress.

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/339/6118/381.summary
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 3, 2013 - 11:26am PT
How did the government gain control over what is researched, and what is not researched?

If you answered "Because the government finances it", then go to the head of the class.

If you want things to be done freely and independently, get the government - and its money - OUT.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 3, 2013 - 11:32am PT
Chaz, face the facts... more guns make us more safer. If it weren't for all those qualified gun owners with guns at that shooting range it could have turned out as bad as Sandy Hook.

When a tragic shooting involving innocent children occurs at a school, the pro-gun response is ARM THE TEACHERS... ARMED GUARDS... IT HAPPENED BECAUSE IT WAS A GUN FREE ZONE.

When it happens at shooting range, with expert marksmen, it is tragic... with apparently no solution.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 3, 2013 - 11:35am PT
How'd you come to that conclusion, without a government financed study?

You're not telling me Americans can find our own answers, without the government's help and money, are you?
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Feb 3, 2013 - 11:37am PT
actually you've got it pretty much backwards, Chaz...

research supported by Govt funding does not reflect the bias of the particular political viewpoint, look at research in Climate, which has yielded results which are very much at odds with the current viewpoint of Congress, and is the result of many years of very good science preceding the current issues with the implication of that research.

research, by and large, is an activity most suited to support by the govt of a democratic nation, being an activity that is difficult to justify in the commercial sector simply because the results, the outcome of the research are difficult to predict. It can be seen as inefficient, but that is because it creates new knowledge, and that is its power, to understand something in a way quite different from what our "common sense" tells us.

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 3, 2013 - 11:39am PT
just ignore the fact that al-kay-duh and the towel-ee-ban had a kill order out for him..Maybe this just proves no one is safe from those types,, anywhere.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 3, 2013 - 11:43am PT
Which is why we need more guns. Everyone should have one... cuz then the bad guys would be too scurd to attack anyone. Clearly they just needed MORE guns at that shooting range. How many more... 10x, 20x, 30x? Whatever it takes.

We can all just practice wild west shootouts and have armed check points to make sure the bad guys don't infiltrate our safe zones. Of course, we can't trust the gubermint to do it, so we will have to get qualified citizens... preferably the ones with the most eagles and flags on their trucks... maybe some truck nutz too, cuz those are funny.

But then we will have to have some sort of assurance that they are qualified and on our side. NO, I'm not suggesting background checks... THAT is outrageous and our founding fathers would not approve. I think a loudly professed trust in Jesus is sufficient.



Gawd bless Uhmerikuh!
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 3, 2013 - 11:50am PT
Toker - all other arguments aside for the moment, would you agree (yes or no) that there is currently too many guns in circulation in totality?
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 3, 2013 - 11:53am PT
How did the government gain control over what is researched, and what is not researched?


They legislate. Look at North Carolina and their insistence that the best science be ignored for plotting future sea level rise.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 3, 2013 - 12:16pm PT
Bruce, that is not a matter of what is and is not researched. That is a matter of what information is allowed to be included in policy documents.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Feb 3, 2013 - 01:30pm PT
Depends on the definition of "in circulation".

If it means my safes then NO.

If it means the closet or pickup of some redneck trash tossing jew-hating neanderthal then YES.


The interesting thing is that, along with the evisceration of the middle class in the US, the current spike (as in tripling or even quadrupling) in ammo prices is rendering shooting an elite sport.
Though not quite polo or cigarette speedboat racing, if this keeps up a lot of those hate mongers and embarrassments to the responsible shooting community will not be able to feed their aging pieces.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Feb 3, 2013 - 01:43pm PT
jstan

climber
Feb 3, 2013 - 01:52pm PT
The following is a deep and astute discussion of the meaning behind Wes' youtube above.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEuBXWujeYQ



mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 3, 2013 - 02:15pm PT
That dude should be in the boobs thread.

Yes, gun handlers should shoot themselves more often in order to gain respect for firearms.
jghedge

climber
Feb 3, 2013 - 05:13pm PT
Worthwhile to check into this thread just to watch the gun nuts try to debate facts with a Ph.D research physicist

Basically encapsulates liberal vs wingnut philosophy about as well as can be expected on a web forum

Empiricism vs "al-kay-duh and the towel-ee-ban"
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Feb 3, 2013 - 05:32pm PT
Condolences to Mr Kyles family and freinds.. A loss to our nation.
At least he died doing what he loved!
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