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GhoulweJ

Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
Jan 20, 2013 - 07:37pm PT
NY dems plead for repubs to not disclose the confiscation document...

http://www.thecommentator.com/article/2495/ny_democrat_pleads_with_republican_not_to_share_document_proposing_confiscation_of_guns
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Jan 20, 2013 - 07:42pm PT
To the haters of guns, why do you insist on calling all enthusiasts gun nuts? Insulting an opponent is probably the worst way to validate anything you say.

I prefer guntards.

It's because like most of the sh#t for brains garbage that comes out of the right wing it is about programming.
You tards have been brain washed into believing that a metal instrument used to shoot a projectile means something - what and why?, i have no idea and I don't really give a sh#t. But I'm guessing the reasons can be split up between clueless retards, guys who like to shove them up their ass, and pussies who are scared of their own shadows..

What ever it is it really doesn't matter.

What it is really about is money and a corporate and military lobby that wants to sell you lots of useless hunks of steel, but even more than that, wants to sell the world lots and lots and lots of useless hunks of steel.
In short - you stupid f*#ks are nothing more than pawns in the effort to affect government and public policy so extremely evil american companies can sell guns to Algeria, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan and every other messed up country in the world that most of your right wing shittards consider your enemy.

So why do we call you stupid gun nuts?
Cause you are nuts and you are stupid - it fits

On top of it all - no one is even trying to take away your guns!!
That is the funnest thing of all - your idiotic paranoia knows no bounds - ya see?

Persoannly i don't care anymore - as long as you dummies shoot each other and not me..
Now go chew on a dick and think on that for a while.

donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jan 20, 2013 - 07:46pm PT
How can you hate guns? That's like hating a fire hydrant. Now certain, in fact a lot, of gun owners....now that is a different proposion, although "hate" is probably too strong of a word.
How about...vehemently disagree with.
Dave Kos

Trad climber
Temecula
Jan 20, 2013 - 07:58pm PT
To the haters of guns, why do you insist on calling all enthusiasts gun nuts?


And why do you insist on calling people who would like to see reasonable, adequately-enforced regulations on types of firearms that have the least utility for lawful purposes as "haters?"


You already answered your own question: Because it's easier than typing "enthusiast"

... and also, another lesser reason is that way too many folks really are "nuts" over guns.
GhoulweJ

Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
Jan 20, 2013 - 08:01pm PT
On top of it all - no one is even trying to take away your guns!!

See link:

http://www.thecommentator.com/article/2495/ny_democrat_pleads_with_republican_not_to_share_document_proposing_confiscation_of_guns
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Jan 20, 2013 - 08:03pm PT
a charming class of people for sure..

http://aattp.org/tea-partier-obama-exploited-dead-children-within-minutes-of-newtown-massacre-video/
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jan 20, 2013 - 08:07pm PT
Riley...You are correct..It's all about image and brain washing....Find issues that the pussies are freaked out about , like lawn bowling or male pattern baldness and exploit that paranoia so that the pussies dig in and become indignant about the nigger taking away their constitutional rights to bowl on lawns and wear rugs... then watch their corporate chosen grease ball run for president and promise to save lawn bowling and their right to wear hair pieces... then watch the corporate sponsors sneak their hidden agendas thru congress like tax breaks for the 1% so that the morons who suddenly crave wigs and green lawns have to pay higher taxes and can't afford wigs or lawns....Works like a charm every 4 years...
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Jan 20, 2013 - 08:14pm PT
Great Rant Riley
I wish I could still do that and ger away with it
t*r

Mountain climber
the hills of my home
Jan 20, 2013 - 08:18pm PT
thank you leggs! that means a lot. big hug
Dave Kos

Trad climber
Temecula
Jan 20, 2013 - 08:18pm PT
The Commentator looks like a really objective news source.

t*r

Mountain climber
the hills of my home
Jan 20, 2013 - 08:19pm PT
this forum needs a thread for beautiful historical firearms... is there one? my post was inspired by weschrist's post w/the photo of his grandpa's gun... this thread is moving so fast, i may move my post to the "enjoy life" thread... special place for a special piece.

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 20, 2013 - 08:20pm PT
Looks to be a classic model 10 perhaps TR?

You can always START a thread.. I might kick in one or two pics..;-)
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Jan 20, 2013 - 08:22pm PT
GhoulweJ

Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
Jan 20, 2013 - 08:24pm PT
Kos,
I hear ya about the commentator. They clearly search out info for the beliefs.

BUT...... Watch the video (scroll down the link I posted)...
Dave Kos

Trad climber
Temecula
Jan 20, 2013 - 09:37pm PT
GhoulweJ,

I watched the video and don't see anything even remotely alarming.

Somebody made a bunch of proposals, and they were rejected, and then someone says, "let's not talk about the rejected proposals" because he knows gun nuts will go ape sh#t over them.

(And they are doing just that - read the comments at the bottom of your link.)

Even though the proposals were rejected and never had a chance at becoming law, I do not disagree with anything on that list. Semi-automatic shotguns? Nobody needs to own that sh#t. (Item number four is the only one that is questionable to me.) Of course illegal guns can be confiscated, just like illegal explosives would be confiscated.

Give people the right to carry basic pistols and keep rifles in their homes and for sport, but get rid of the weapons designed for military purpose.

It's really not that hard.

(And I'm not interested in semantic nitpicks about what an "assault weapon" is. We can come up with a workable definition of assault weapon, just like we come up with definitions like "cargo truck" or "commercial airplane" or "broadband communications." We regulate all kinds of technical stuff effectively all the time, we can regulate the technicalities of firearms also.)


Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 20, 2013 - 10:49pm PT
here's a freakin' good idea from The Economist:


Gun control
Insurance policy
Dec 26th 2012, 14:45 by M.S.

NOURIEL ROUBINI, a guy who knows a lot about risk, tweets in favour of mandatory liability insurance for gun owners:

If we had liability insurance on guns, as we do 4 cars, we will see which insurance company would insure at which price folks with arsenals
It's an idea that seems to be gathering a bit of steam. At Forbes.com, John Wasik lays out the logic behind treating firearm deaths as a market externality to be compensated via insurance, as we do with cars: "Those most at risk to commit a gun crime would be known to the actuaries doing the research for insurers... An 80-year-old married woman in Fort Lauderdale would get a great rate. A 20-year-old in inner-city Chicago wouldn’t be able to afford it. A 32-year-old man with a record of drunk driving and domestic violence would have a similar problem." Robert Cyran and Reynolds Holding write that mandatory liability insurance is a measure that could pass Supreme Court muster where other restrictions might fail: "[T]here’s a strong argument that damage caused by firearms gives the government a 'compelling interest' to require insurance, the test for infringing a constitutional right."

The first objection that leapt to my mind was that given that 9,000 people per year are murdered with firearms in America, and that essentially every one of those killings entails a wrongful death that could be grounds for a suit, liability insurance for firearms might be so prohibitively expensive that no one would be able to afford it. But it looks like this probably isn't the case. The National Rifle Association already offers "excess personal liability and self-defence" coverage to its members, and according to their website it seems $100,000 worth of insurance costs just $165 per year; $250,000 worth is $254. That may seem too low a value to put on someone's life, but it's a lot better than nothing, and as Mr Wasik says, the private insurance market will likely do a very good job of discriminating between gun owners who pose different levels of risk.

This isn't a substitute for other popular gun-control measures, such as limitations on magazine capacity, universal background checks (which even NRA members support) and so forth. But given the limitations on possible gun control measures in a country where the Supreme Court holds individual gun ownership for home self-defence to be a constitutionally protected right, and where there may be 300m firearms already in circulation, it seems like a good place to start. For that matter, there's no reason why we should wait for the federal government to impose these policies. States with strong pro-gun-control politics could start passing mandatory firearm-insurance laws right now. Apparently an effort to do so in Illinois in 2009 ran aground due to opposition from gun organisations and right-wing media, but the politics of the issue would probably be rather different today.
Dropline

Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
Jan 21, 2013 - 07:20am PT
We have smartphones. Why don't we make smart guns?

As universal background checks are something pretty much everyone agrees on why not assign individual guns to individual people who have passed background checks and then design the guns so they will only fire in the hand of that individual. Electronic fingerprint identification is pretty common and pretty cheap now. It could easily be incorporated into guns.

Background checks, and smartgun fingerprint or palm print identification would seem to solve the mass murder by gun problem and perhaps still pass 2nd amendment muster.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 21, 2013 - 01:17pm PT
dropline, your perfectly reasonable solution to this problem is unacceptable. Our founding fathers did not have smart muskets, therefore any kind of technological advances applied to firearms are unconstitutional.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jan 22, 2013 - 07:10am PT
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Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Feb 3, 2013 - 09:33am PT
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014389088


'Most lethal sniper in US history': Chris Kyle shot dead on Texas gun range.
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