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healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Jan 18, 2013 - 04:57am PT
NRA: “The media speaks for elites...”

That's a killer coming from some of the wealthiest, fat-cat lobbyists the world has ever seen.
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Jan 18, 2013 - 09:00am PT
classic liberalism: the answered to failed government is more government

biden claims we need more gun control because "we don't have time" to enforce current law, specifically background checks

so, ignore a current law that 80% of americans support, includine a majority of gun owners, and, instead, pursue other laws that even nyt admits would not have stopped the newtown massacre

i can't wait for the biden presidential campaign

http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/18/biden-to-nra-we-dont-have-the-time-to-prosecute-people-who-lie-on-background-checks/

Gary

Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
Jan 18, 2013 - 10:04am PT
The NRA's Jim Baker claims biden claims we need more gun control because "we don't have time" to enforce current law, specifically background checks

I corrected that for you, bookworm. I can't find any sources for that statement, other than Jim Baker. Do you have one?
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Jan 18, 2013 - 10:30am PT
Why would anyone trying to get a gun for nefarious purposes risk going to a dealer when they could just go to eBay, CL, estate auctions, some pawn shops, or any one of dozens of other places where no questions are asked?

It's a form, anybody here ever fill out a form wrong? That's not a crime, the law says "knowingly", and that's hard to prove. I'm sure a high percentage of those failed background checks were for clerical errors, another big chunk from people who honestly didn't realize they were prohibited. Most of all, those failed checks don't reflect anyone who lied successfully, or anyone who couldn't even produce enough documents for the dealer to run the checks.

The purpose of background checks is to stop or obstruct criminals getting guns, there are much more efficient and effective ways to identify gun criminals than tracking down everybody who check the wrong box on a form.

TE
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jan 18, 2013 - 11:39am PT
So you say you have a bunch of big guns and lots of bullets just in case the government gets out of control...









Well good luck with that.

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mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 18, 2013 - 12:12pm PT
It is funny when people bitch about the US government... from behind computers fueled by US government subsidized electricity... using a computer shipped by US government subsidized transportation... while eating food grown with US government subsidized water and shipped with US government subsidized fossil fuels.

Rong, where were your vet buddies during the anti-war protests after 911 and before the Iraq invasion? I saw some military personnel there, but not many. It is pretty chicken sh#t to not oppose the actions upfront and only bitch about the consequences when they don't turn out the way you want them to. It makes more sense to protest when the decisions are being made, and then deal with the results the best you can once the decisions are made. You should try it sometime.




Oooo, dickworm posted an article from The Daily Caller... obviously a MUST READ.

Jim Baker, the NRA representative present at the meeting, recalled the vice president’s words during an interview with The Daily Caller: “And to your point, Mr. Baker, regarding the lack of prosecutions on lying on Form 4473s, we simply don’t have the time or manpower to prosecute everybody who lies on a form, that checks a wrong box, that answers a question inaccurately.”

That sounds credible and certainly worth those little " marks. Repeated no less than 100 times in right wing bullshit blogs, all referencing The Daily Caller as "the source"... all hinging on Mr. Baker "recalling the vice president's words" correctly. Interestingly, Baker has also attributed that exact same quote to Holder. All complete and total bullshit designed to get the sheeple foaming at the mouth. The sad part is, it seems to work on some.
ydpl8s

Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
Jan 18, 2013 - 12:36pm PT
What amazes me is the arms acceptance creep that is going on. What used to be debated, is now considered an absolute Right (pun intended). Remember when Lynard Skynard came out with Saturday Night Special? That song was about the debate of whether there was any place for HANDGUNS ("are made for killing, they ain't no good for nuthin else"). Now we're debating military style weapons that somehow are ok because they're semi-automatic instead of automatic, stock grip instead of pistol grip.

When I watch the NRA talking heads defending these guns, the argument so often breaks down to semantics, if you can't name the part or type of the weapon correctly, your opinion on the ease with which it kills is not admissible.

Are they really that much more fun to shoot? Do we all need that much power to protect ourselves?

My personal feeling is that it is not any different than the American love of the Muscle Car. Who's got the biggest baddest "magazine/engine" on the block? It definitely makes you look good in the mirror holding that baby.....Not!!!!
monolith

climber
albany,ca
Jan 18, 2013 - 01:12pm PT
Sure, the vast majority of the US public would support an iraq style insurgency. (Vietnam protests were not an insurgency)

They don't need power, food, work, education, etc. Much better to support the self-entitlements of a small minority to have whatever weapon they want.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 18, 2013 - 01:16pm PT
It is never tanks and aircover that holds a community or ends a war.

How did WWII end?

About 5,000 US soldiers were killed in Iraq. Well over 100,000 Iraqi casualties. You think the tanks and aircover had anything to do with that 20 fold difference?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 18, 2013 - 01:17pm PT



yep


monolith

climber
albany,ca
Jan 18, 2013 - 01:24pm PT
Rong, see wall slaves post above. Try to keep up.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jan 18, 2013 - 01:25pm PT
wow, where to start?

SO many falsehoods, so little patience to list and correct them all


how about just one?

The insurgency succeeded in the US at that time. It is widely credited with ending the Vietnam War. Tell me that aint possible again, under other circumstances.
Vietnam was not "ended' by an "insurgency"

it was ended by the majority of the American people slowly over time having had a bellyful of our boys coming home in body bags, 50,000 of them

it was ended when Walter Croncrite told America "I don't know why we are in Vietnam anymore", and when Lyndon Johnson said "we have lost the support of the middle class"

Black Panthers and Weathermen and ineffective "insurgencies" had nothing to do with our troops all coming back


monolith

climber
albany,ca
Jan 18, 2013 - 01:37pm PT
And fired by the insurgents right?

Of course the public would not support the gov firing on unarmed civilians.

Is that what we are talking about here?
rwedgee

Ice climber
canyon country,CA
Jan 18, 2013 - 01:40pm PT
Oops......another good law

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news%2Flocal%2Fnew_york&id=8958116


NEW YORK (WABC) -- A troubling oversight has been found within New York State's sweeping new gun laws.


The ban on having high-capacity magazines, as it's written, would also include law enforcement officers.

Magazines with more than seven rounds will be illegal under the new law when that part takes effect in March.


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More: Follow us @EyewitnessNYC
More: Get AlertsAs the statute is currently written, it does not exempt law enforcement officers.

Nearly every law enforcement agency in the state carries hand guns that have a 15 round capacity.

A spokesman for the governor's office called Eyewitness News to say, "We are still working out some details of the law and the exemption will be included, currently no police officer is in violation."


The Patrolman's Benevolent Association President released a statement saying, "The PBA is actively working to enact changes to this law that will provide the appropriate exemptions from the law for active and retired law enforcement officers."

State Senator Eric Adams, a former NYPD Captain, told us he's going to push for an amendment next week to exempt police officers from the high-capacity magazine ban. In his words, "You can't give more ammo to the criminals"

monolith

climber
albany,ca
Jan 18, 2013 - 01:40pm PT
Do ya think the guard would not fire on people firing on them in an insurgency because of Kent State?

Your mind is fascinating to study, Rong.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jan 18, 2013 - 01:47pm PT
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monolith

climber
albany,ca
Jan 18, 2013 - 01:47pm PT
How many insurgencies have we had since Kent State? (not that Kent State was an insurgency)
monolith

climber
albany,ca
Jan 18, 2013 - 01:51pm PT
know seven guard members here- none would support the gubbmint firing on their own.

But would they support their own firing on the government?

Would it be fair for the government to fire back?

I see Wall Slave is still semantically twisting what an insurgency is.
monolith

climber
albany,ca
Jan 18, 2013 - 01:54pm PT
I'll take it they would support firing on the gov.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jan 18, 2013 - 01:55pm PT
On a lighter side, this "comedy" spool on HuffPo is entertaining, in a sad sort of way:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/17/gun-fails-second-amendment-rights-gone-wrong_n_2490579.html

The guy with the hole in his brim is a real gem ...
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