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Chaz
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greater Boss Angeles area
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How'd you come to that conclusion, without a government financed study?
You're not telling me Americans can find our own answers, without the government's help and money, are you?
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Ed Hartouni
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Livermore, CA
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actually you've got it pretty much backwards, Chaz...
research supported by Govt funding does not reflect the bias of the particular political viewpoint, look at research in Climate, which has yielded results which are very much at odds with the current viewpoint of Congress, and is the result of many years of very good science preceding the current issues with the implication of that research.
research, by and large, is an activity most suited to support by the govt of a democratic nation, being an activity that is difficult to justify in the commercial sector simply because the results, the outcome of the research are difficult to predict. It can be seen as inefficient, but that is because it creates new knowledge, and that is its power, to understand something in a way quite different from what our "common sense" tells us.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Which is why we need more guns. Everyone should have one... cuz then the bad guys would be too scurd to attack anyone. Clearly they just needed MORE guns at that shooting range. How many more... 10x, 20x, 30x? Whatever it takes.
We can all just practice wild west shootouts and have armed check points to make sure the bad guys don't infiltrate our safe zones. Of course, we can't trust the gubermint to do it, so we will have to get qualified citizens... preferably the ones with the most eagles and flags on their trucks... maybe some truck nutz too, cuz those are funny.
But then we will have to have some sort of assurance that they are qualified and on our side. NO, I'm not suggesting background checks... THAT is outrageous and our founding fathers would not approve. I think a loudly professed trust in Jesus is sufficient.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Bruce, that is not a matter of what is and is not researched. That is a matter of what information is allowed to be included in policy documents.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Depends on the definition of "in circulation".
If it means my safes then NO.
If it means the closet or pickup of some redneck trash tossing jew-hating neanderthal then YES.
The interesting thing is that, along with the evisceration of the middle class in the US, the current spike (as in tripling or even quadrupling) in ammo prices is rendering shooting an elite sport.
Though not quite polo or cigarette speedboat racing, if this keeps up a lot of those hate mongers and embarrassments to the responsible shooting community will not be able to feed their aging pieces.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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That dude should be in the boobs thread.
Yes, gun handlers should shoot themselves more often in order to gain respect for firearms.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Condolences to Mr Kyles family and freinds.. A loss to our nation. At least he died doing what he loved!
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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guns don't kill people. people with guns kill people.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Ron-duh always blames al-kay-duh.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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http://www.politicususa.com/bulletproof-left-paul-krugman-guts-nras-shred-intimidation.html
Bulletproof Left: Paul Krugman Guts the NRA’s Last Shred of Intimidation
By: Jason EasleyFeb. 3rd, 2013more from Jason Easley
Paul Krugman completely gutted the NRA, and in the process became the the latest example of the left’s absolute lack of fear of the gun lobby.
Here’s the transcript from ABC News:
KRUGMAN: But what really strikes me — I don’t know how this plays, you know, what will happen. What strikes me is we’ve actually gotten a glimpse into the mindset, though, of the pro-gun people and we’ve seen certainly Wayne LaPierre and some of these others. It’s bizarre. They have this vision that we’re living in a “Mad Max” movie and that nothing can be done about it, that America cannot manage unless everybody’s prepared to shoot intruders, that — the idea that we have a police forces that provides public safety is somehow totally impractical, despite the fact that, you know, that is, in fact, the way we live.
So I think that the terms of the debate have shifted. Now the craziness of the extreme pro-gun lobby has been revealed, and that has got to move the debate and got to move the legislation at least to some degree.
STEPHANOPOULOS: Are you comfortable with where the NRA has been on this?
BARLETTA: Yeah. I am. I mean, this is a perfect example why people believe Washington is broke. This horrific incident in Newtown, and here, what is our debate? It’s focusing on guns, when there is not one person at this table who really believes that that’s the root of what happened there. And when we have people that get into the mindset that they want to harm people, as a former mayor, I know people will get guns no matter what laws we pass, just like the illegal drug…
(CROSSTALK)
KRUGMAN: … just caught you on a false statement there, because at least I do believe that guns are the root. There are crazy people everywhere, but mass murders are a lot more common here than in countries with effective gun control.
BARLETTA: If you believe guns are more important than — than dealing with mental health and our culture — is our culture lending itself that we’re raising children that are desensitized to — to murder, to killing people?
(CROSSTALK)
KRUGMAN: I love that the international differences — countries that have effective gun control have a lot fewer incidents.
BARLETTA: We’re banning spoons stop obesity? Of course not.
KRUGMAN: Banning the large soda drinks…
RAMOS: There’s high tolerance for — for violence in this country. I mean, after Columbine, after Virginia Tech, after Aurora, we should have done something, and we haven’t. Sometimes it seems that it’s only minor changes that we’re talking about, even ban on assault weapons or background checks, or we’re talking about high-capacity magazines. I mean, we know what works. I mean, in Japan, it works. But as a country, I don’t think we are willing to even revisit the Second Amendment.
(CROSSTALK)
STEPHANOPOULOS: And then…
(CROSSTALK)
FIORINA: But Paul said something that…
(CROSSTALK)
RAMOS: We know exactly what works, but we don’t want to do it. We have to recognize that.
FIORINA: Paul said something that’s illustrative of what I meant when I said people overplay their hands. What Paul just did was lump everybody together as a crazy radical gun-owner.
KRUGMAN: Not true.
FIORINA: Yes. So you’re condemning people…
KRUGMAN: No, there are plenty of gun-owners who are fine. But the lobbying groups, the NRA is now revealed as an insane organization, and that matters quite a lot.
What we witnessing is the national destruction of the myth that the NRA has some sort of intimidating power that the left is afraid to challenge. The mainstream media has helped the NRA create this aura of power around itself that is being exposed as having never existed. When the White House released the picture of President Obama skeet shooting, they were sending a message to the NRA.
The White House isn’t going to back down. Democrats aren’t going to back down, and the majority of the country will not stand down until meaningful reform has been enacted to deal with gun violence. Krugman was right. The NRA has revealed itself to be a right wing fringe group, and their leadership is not representing the views of a the majority of gun owners in this country.
The NRA has been outed as nothing more than the tool of the gun manufacturers. They don’t represent gun owners anymore. The organization has become so entrenched in Republican politics that they actually endorsed the governor who signed the nation’s first assault weapons ban for president in 2012.
The NRA has no real power. They can bluster. They may be able to stop an assault weapons ban through the Republican members of Congress that they have bought and paid for, but they can’t stop the shifting opinion on their view that America is an all guns, all the time nation. The tide has shifted, and the NRA and their unpopular positions are being swept out to sea.
As Paul Krugman’s comments illustrated, no one is afraid of the NRA. They are just another group of corporate Republicans who have marginalized themselves with extremist views.
The reality is that the crazier the NRA gets, the closer this nation comes to real gun reform.
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TradEddie
Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
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Am I the only one here pissed to hear that survivalist nut in Alabama was due to appear in court for shooting at a neighbors car, while a kid was inside, yet it's only A MISDEMEAONR!!!!
Only in gun-crazy land can you threaten someone by shooting their car, keep your guns while you await trial, and even if you were found guilty, it's not even a felony, so you'd still get to keep your guns.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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It seems like after 4 tours in Iraq and 150 or 160 confirmed kills one would have had their fill of guns.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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OMG Ron, you are absolutely right. That story is all over the right wing pigeon gun nut blogs. Why the hell does the Department of Homeland Security need to test up to 7,000 guns? You'd think they were in the business of like protecting boarders or something! I heard the Army is buying weapons too. WHAT ARE THEY UP TO!?!? I'm with you, I don't trust them... call the militia brothers... we need to get prepared!
The DHS SAYS they will be releasing the test results to law enforcement. Sounds a little fishy.
BTW, need ammo?
http://www.bulkammo.com/catalogsearch/result?q=ar15
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WBraun
climber
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It seems like after 4 tours in Iraq and 150 or 160 confirmed kills one would have had their fill of guns.
Obviously you're not a warrior.
It's got nothing to do with guns.
The true warrior remains a warrior in this life and next.
Sometimes they elevate to Brahmana and when a need arises they again take to the warrior class.
The warrior class is the protection division ......
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