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TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Jan 17, 2013 - 08:20am PT
Imagine if after a series of climbing fatalities a bunch of well meaning citizens decide to pass laws against people buying hardware or ropes.

If someone killed themselves at a shooting range, do you think anybody here would give a damn? If someone killed 22 kids at a shooting range, I still don't think anyone would give much of a damn.

It's not the same as climbers getting hurt or killed. Your hobby is infringing on my rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, so yes, I do get a say in it. What possible argument can you make against universal background checks?

TE
dirtbag

climber
Jan 17, 2013 - 08:47am PT
I'm sick of the crazies, talking about hypothetical fascist coups, dominating discussions about reasonable and measured steps to reduce gun violence. They are totally out to lunch, interested in fantasies and not on-the-ground realities of gun-related violence.

Why are the kooks given such a voice?
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jan 17, 2013 - 08:59am PT
New York State is leading the way. Their new assault weaspons ban targets any rambo-wanna-be feature, lol.

DMT
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jan 17, 2013 - 09:40am PT
photo not found
Missing photo ID#284341
tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Jan 17, 2013 - 09:47am PT
Yeah, it really did more to placate everyone but really don't think crime rates will drop. Of course, it won't touch mass gun murder rates. We'll have to wait for the numbers to come out over the next 10 years to see if re-instating the laws they tried last time will work this second time.

If these things had been in effect they wouldn't have affected the times when I woke up (in SB) with a criminal with a stolen gun outside my apartment window and police helicopters flying around lighting up my room.
tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Jan 17, 2013 - 09:48am PT
That photo is almost right philo. My wife likes guns, the bigger the better. Guess it should say, NO penis, big guns. I'm fine with a .22!
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jan 17, 2013 - 10:30am PT
That was a typical bs non sequitor. The right wing will do anything to take the real issues off the stage. They know that their is ample ignorance and racisim in the electorate to accomplish their aims.
Thankfully, a lot of people are finally waking up as the last election proved.
Dave Kos

Trad climber
Temecula
Jan 17, 2013 - 10:47am PT
"requesting for reinforcements"

donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jan 17, 2013 - 10:55am PT
Dave, that message was scripted by "W"......he has come out of retirement.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 17, 2013 - 11:06am PT
The real question is, is our children learning?
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Jan 17, 2013 - 11:17am PT
celebrating mlk and the 2nd amendment? so says syndicated african-american columnist:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/on-mlk-holiday-walking-for-civil-rights-and-the-second-amendment/2013/01/15/c00f816c-5f54-11e2-b05a-605528f6b712_story.html
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jan 17, 2013 - 11:21am PT
or is they aint? But i would congratulate Obama for setting an all time record for "executive ORDERS"...

Another Rong assessment.
Dave Kos

Trad climber
Temecula
Jan 17, 2013 - 11:23am PT
But i would congratulate Obama for setting an all time record for "executive ORDERS"...

And I congratulate you for setting an all-time record for bogus "facts" on ST!

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/executiveorders.asp
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 17, 2013 - 11:28am PT
But i would congratulate Obama for setting an all time record for "executive ORDERS"...


Sorry Ron, but you're way off on that one. You've been reading circulated propaganda email again haven't you.....

We've already covered this. Obama is even behind Bush during the same time period.

There have been 13,700 EO's since Lincoln. Obama only has 132 or something. Bush had over 160 at this point.
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Jan 17, 2013 - 11:43am PT
From the Washington Post today:

The Washington Post fact checker gives the National Rifle Association four "Pinocchios" for a tough television ad accusing President Obama of "elitist" hypocrisy because his children are "protected by armed guards at their school." The ad features an image of NBC newsman David Gregory, whose children also attend Sidwell Friends School. A longer version of the ad quotes a conservative Web site as saying: "Armed Guards - Good enough for the David Gregory's kids' school, not for the rest of us [The] school Obama's daughters attend has 11 armed guards."

Sidwell Friends has two distinct campuses, and it appears that the 11 "armed guards" is really just one or two unarmed guards per school at a time. The National Center for Education Statistics says 27 percent of public schools have either police or security guards on campus, with virtually all of the larger schools (1,500 students or more) having such security. The NRA ad gives the impression that a phalanx of armed police are guarding students, such as the Obama and Gregory children, at Sidwell Friends. That is completely false. Far from being elitist, the relatively small force of unarmed security guards at Sidwell is not unusual for a school of its size. Moreover, the ad also suggests that Obama rejects out of hand boosting security at schools, when in fact his proposals include provisions that would provide funding for more school security. If the NRA is trying to count Secret Service protection for Obama's children as part of that force of armed guards, that's even more ridiculous. Such protection is mandated by federal law.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 17, 2013 - 11:53am PT
Read it and weep Ron. G'damn bro, why don't you look further than the first lie you read?

Barack Obama - 144 (so far)
George W. Bush - 291
Clinton - 364
George Bush - 166
Reagan - 381
Carter - 320
Ford - 169
Nixon - 346
Johnson - 325
Kennedy - 214
Eisenhower - 484
Truman - 907
Franklin D. Roosevelt - 3,522
Hoover - 968
Coolidge - 1,203
Harding - 522
Wilson - 1,803
Taft - 724
Theodore Roosevelt - 1,081
McKinley - 185
Cleveland II - 140
Harrison - 143
Cleveland I - 113
Arthur - 96
Garfield - 6
Hayes - 92
Grant - 217
Andrew Johnson - 79
Lincoln - 48
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 17, 2013 - 11:56am PT
i thought this was fairly accurate..

nobody is surprised by your ignorance anymore
Dave Kos

Trad climber
Temecula
Jan 17, 2013 - 11:58am PT
How to count executive orders:

1) Take the number of executive orders a president has actually signed

2) If the president's has a funny Muslim name, multiply that number by 10

3) Compare the counts

4) Send the results in an email addressed to everyone you know!


mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 17, 2013 - 12:01pm PT
I'm going to wait until I hear both sides of the facts before I decide how many EO's Barack Hussein Obama the II has signed. You just never know...
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Jan 17, 2013 - 12:03pm PT
rong...

when people like survival prove you to be dead wrong.

But i would congratulate Obama for setting an all time record for "executive ORDERS"...

do you:

a) stop, think, ponder - maybe your sources should be questioned. Maybe you should consider what you are posting before posting

OR

b) plow ahead not giving a f*#k about any actual facts hoping that your massive amounts of inane drivel spew of "facts" will overwhelm those you are trying to get your message to
?

Sure looks like b) to me.
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