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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jan 20, 2013 - 07:41pm PT
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"Whether he's elected or not, his mandate is to uphold and enforce the laws of the land, not interpret them as he sees fit."
That's The President's job, too. And he has a whole list of laws Congress passed that he says he won't be enforcing.
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Jan 20, 2013 - 07:44pm PT
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f a killer shoots 26 people in minutes, you think it should be kept quiet?
Only if it doesn't spawn more of the same behavior - like it does in the US. The point is to decrease the number of these incidences, not increase it. Stop feeding it through the media 24/7 and fix your gun laws. So far you haven't quit talking about it, and you can't get any gun laws changed because of your extreme views both from lobbyists and politicians. You seem to pick sides, call each other names, then do nothing. Pick a set of reasonable laws, there's nothing wrong with Canada's. Try them out for 10 years. See what effect it has compared to the last 10 years when you banned 'assault' weapons. But you would rather be picking sides, picking fights and picking your noses.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 20, 2013 - 07:44pm PT
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"They have this confirmation bias, as psychologists call it, to look for only evidence that supports their theories and disregard anything that says otherwise"
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jan 20, 2013 - 07:50pm PT
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OK, use a signing statement. Or the plethora of other tools he has at his disposal to encourage things to happen. Sorry I used American Political terms incorrectly and the idea flew right over your heads.
Tooth, you clearly have no idea what constitutional power a US President has or has not
A "signing statement" CAN be added onto a bill passed by congress WHILE the President is signing it
get it yet?
ok, I'll try again: Congress would have to pass your bill banning the media from reporting on mass murders, THEN when the President signs it into law, he MIGHT add a signing statement "clarifying" something
You really don't understand how basic civics works, read a little, it won't hurt your head
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Jan 20, 2013 - 07:52pm PT
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Norton, I don't have to learn your system. I know you have one, however you want to make the changes is fine with me. Until you learn Canada's, I'm not going to use the correct terminology for yours. But if that stops you from thinking about ideas or concepts, if you just hang out to type happy words on SuperTopo - have at it!
Seems to me like the more this is kept on the front page in the US, the more guns are sold. The tension drives the sales, it is marketing 101 I learned years ago in my business degree. But you can't just have pro-gun discussions to create the tension that sells, you have to have the anti. However, you don't want smart anti, or you will affect sales. So hire a 10-year old to call people names and nit pick on stupid points to keep the discussions from getting either serious or effective. I'm pretty sure there are a few on here doing just that. Vulgar stupidity and name calling - creating tension, but going nowhere. You know who you are, what are they paying you?
Brilliant marketing.
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Leggs
Sport climber
Home away from Home
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Jan 20, 2013 - 09:52pm PT
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the beautiful smith & wesson i inherited from my father. he told me about 9 months before he died unexpectedly in june that he wanted me to have it. we didn't know it would be so soon... it would be difficult to articulate how much this piece means to me.
Whoa... t*r... wow. I'm kind of speechless. Treasure it, yes. Always.
PS... that photo of you is f*#king badass. ~ xx
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jan 20, 2013 - 10:46pm PT
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How can you hate guns? That's like hating a fire hydrant. Now certain, in fact a lot, of gun owners....now that is a different proposion, although "hate" is probably too strong of a word.
How about...vehemently disagree with.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Jan 20, 2013 - 11:07pm PT
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Riley...You are correct..It's all about image and brain washing....Find issues that the pussies are freaked out about , like lawn bowling or male pattern baldness and exploit that paranoia so that the pussies dig in and become indignant about the nigger taking away their constitutional rights to bowl on lawns and wear rugs... then watch their corporate chosen grease ball run for president and promise to save lawn bowling and their right to wear hair pieces... then watch the corporate sponsors sneak their hidden agendas thru congress like tax breaks for the 1% so that the morons who suddenly crave wigs and green lawns have to pay higher taxes and can't afford wigs or lawns....Works like a charm every 4 years...
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GhoulweJ
Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
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Jan 20, 2013 - 11:24pm PT
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Kos,
I hear ya about the commentator. They clearly search out info for the beliefs.
BUT...... Watch the video (scroll down the link I posted)...
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Dropline
Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
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Jan 21, 2013 - 10:20am PT
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We have smartphones. Why don't we make smart guns?
As universal background checks are something pretty much everyone agrees on why not assign individual guns to individual people who have passed background checks and then design the guns so they will only fire in the hand of that individual. Electronic fingerprint identification is pretty common and pretty cheap now. It could easily be incorporated into guns.
Background checks, and smartgun fingerprint or palm print identification would seem to solve the mass murder by gun problem and perhaps still pass 2nd amendment muster.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 21, 2013 - 04:17pm PT
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dropline, your perfectly reasonable solution to this problem is unacceptable. Our founding fathers did not have smart muskets, therefore any kind of technological advances applied to firearms are unconstitutional.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Jan 22, 2013 - 10:10am PT
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Your point Riley?
What a tragedy! And with the vehicle theft this looks like a straight up robbery/ homicide.
The comments after the article illustrate just how clueless (not to mention heartless) many anti-gun libs are.
I am, quite frankly, surprised and insulted by your broad brush indictments.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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If only someone there had a gun and knew how to use it...
More guns make us more safer.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Strange that this thread should surface, I wasn't going to post to bring it to the top page, but I was just reading a "News & Analysis" piece in last week's Science (25 January), title: "Gun Control Agenda Is A Call to Duty for Scientists"
This piece recalls that Congress had successfully withdrawn funding studies by the CDC (Center for Disease Control and Prevention) and the NIH (National Institute for Health) in the 1990s. Congressman Jay Dickey had the CDC budget cut by $2.6M, the "precise amount of the research budget" for gun violence.
1996 legislation prohibited research that might "advocate or promote gun control." From that date to 2010 academic papers on gun violence fell 60%, and this lack of direct research support was compounded by legislation that restricted collection and access to gun related crime data by the Department of Justice. (The Tiahrt Amendments).
While there seems to be some debate in this thread about the research, it is important to note that research has been greatly impeded by Congress.
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/339/6118/381.summary
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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How did the government gain control over what is researched, and what is not researched?
If you answered "Because the government finances it", then go to the head of the class.
If you want things to be done freely and independently, get the government - and its money - OUT.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Chaz, face the facts... more guns make us more safer. If it weren't for all those qualified gun owners with guns at that shooting range it could have turned out as bad as Sandy Hook.
When a tragic shooting involving innocent children occurs at a school, the pro-gun response is ARM THE TEACHERS... ARMED GUARDS... IT HAPPENED BECAUSE IT WAS A GUN FREE ZONE.
When it happens at shooting range, with expert marksmen, it is tragic... with apparently no solution.
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