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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 14, 2013 - 10:16am PT
yes im sure the criminal and insane minds will of course follow all bans... And when the good members of society are all disarmed, thos insane f*ckerz can have thier pick any where, anytime.. The gangs can run wild knowing they will always have the upper hand against rock throwing citizens... Uh huh..And the al-kay-duhs we have training here will switch their missions to domestic ones...bitchin..
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 14, 2013 - 10:18am PT
So because the government has grown to be that large, we should just roll over and surrender rights that were won via supreme sacrifice?

No, I think you should just roll over... pull your head out of your ass... and REALIZE those rights were granted when it was IMPOSSIBLE TO EVEN CONCEIVE of a mentally ill person easily acquiring an awesome killing machine and wasting dozens of people in MINUTES.

As pointed out earlier... the first amendment does not give you the right to yell FIRE in a crowded theater or tell bomb jokes in an airport. DEAL WITH IT. The rest of us do because it makes this country a better place.
jghedge

climber
Jan 14, 2013 - 10:21am PT
"And when the good members of society are all disarmed, thos insane f*ckerz can have thier pick any where, anytime"

35 gun deaths in the UK proves you wrong.

Those "good members" advocated arming the "insane f*#kers" in the first place.

Good people will die because of guns being banned? How many innocent victims died because of guns not being banned?

Karma. Read Lincoln's 2nd inaugural addres.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 14, 2013 - 10:24am PT
We ARE NOT THE UK..We will NEVER BE the UK...get over it. Or MOVE to the UK..That tired analogy is weak, useless and of zero relevance to the US of A.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 14, 2013 - 10:28am PT
Then why do gun nuts keep bringing up the UK to PROVE their higher rate of violent crime is because they don't own guns?

(You know the reality of the situation, crimpie pointed it out long ago, they have a higher rate of violent crime because they have a higher population density and it has NOTHING to do with gun ownership.)

UK: 3.5 times higher rate of violent crime, 1/3 the number of homicides... the latter is a DIRECT result of gun ownership.
jghedge

climber
Jan 14, 2013 - 10:28am PT
"We ARE NOT THE UK..We will NEVER BE the UK...get over it. Or MOVE to the UK..That tired analogy is weak, useless and of zero relevance to the US of A."

Hey idiot - there's no analogy being used.

Just comparing one set of stats to another.

Sorry if comparing stats is irrelevant in wingnut fantasy world - adults think otherwise.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 14, 2013 - 10:37am PT
How many of the USA gun deaths are attributed to gangs and illegals? You know, the NIGHTLY events on the news coverage from any large city? How many are drive bys gang on gang? You know, the ones that get all of a sentence or two in the news? The local PD does nothing but take the after the fact tallys - i see it nightly. They dont throw investigative work into it any more. They simply tally and report. Yet the FED govt does nothing about that and if states try to come up with laws regarding this, they get overthrown by the supreme court..Does the UK have MILLIONS of illegals and gang/cartels like we do? DOUBTFUL..

So it would seem that the FEDS and the local LEOs all go along with these nightly occurrences which drive our homicide rates up drastically.. No one can do anything about it- even ICE agents get chastised for arresting illegals. Our own local sheriff can only tell us how many KNOWN gang members we have, but cant escort them out of the state..Illegal or not..Can ANYONE tell me why this is? Take out that element and our homicide rate would drop like a rock.




comparing the UK to the USA is the move of an IDIOT...But the UK CALLS YOU hedge,,please,, for the love of America,, move there.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jan 14, 2013 - 10:41am PT
Ron asks:
How many of the USA gun deaths are attributed to gangs and illegals?

well, I suppose I could look it up in a minute or so

but since you asked the question I assume you already know the answer

go ahead Ron, tell us both the actual number and also the percentage compared to the overall number of gun death (caused by gangs and illegals)

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 14, 2013 - 10:42am PT
Rong, you claimed half the gun deaths in the US are caused by gang shootings. Against my better judgement, and because I'm busy today, I will take your word for it.

On the other hand, OVER 60% of the gun deaths in the UK are caused by gang shootings.

I assume you know how percentages work... but just to be clear, if the UK has 1/3 the number of gun deaths as the US does, and a higher percentage of those gun deaths in the UK are due to gangs, it means your line of reasoning makes the US non-gang gun deaths EVEN WORSE.
jghedge

climber
Jan 14, 2013 - 10:42am PT
"Take out that element and our homicide rate would drop like a rock."

Banning guns has already caused the gun homicide rate to become virtually non-existent in other countries. It works. It is working. And it'll eventually happen here.

That's reality - not your racist gibberish.
jghedge

climber
Jan 14, 2013 - 10:47am PT
"comparing the UK to the USA is the move of an IDIOT"

Nope. Completely valid. Adults use stats - children live in denial of reality.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 14, 2013 - 10:49am PT
Adults know well the difference between the USA and the UK..

But feel free to MOVE there. Sooner the better.. Obviously you hate the USA the way it is, so dont let the door hit ya where to good lord split ya.
rectorsquid

climber
Lake Tahoe
Jan 14, 2013 - 10:55am PT
... the first amendment does not give you the right to yell FIRE in a crowded theater or tell bomb jokes in an airport.

Saying either of those things quietly and in private is not really illegal. Yelling fire in a theater where there is a fire is perfectly legal so the details are important when it comes to free speech.

As for the bomb jokes, I cannot find anything that shows that a bomb joke is illegal. If it is phrased as a threat and someone hears it then that's a threat, real or not, and the arrest is based on a THREAT.

There is that guy in the UK that got arrested for a twitter joke but it looked like a threat. It's not like he said "a horse, a Rabbi, and a bomb, all walk into the bar and the bartender says..."

If comparing gun control and free speech, at least try to be as technically correct as possible. It might be a good comparison but limiting free speech is never taken lightly as is implied by the comments about it. In other words, you can say anything you want if your in the right crowd of people. You will not get arrested just based on the content of your speech but rather on the repercussions of it.

Just like a person should get arrested because of the repercussions of their having a gun, not for having one?

Dave
jghedge

climber
Jan 14, 2013 - 10:57am PT
"But feel free to MOVE there. Sooner the better.. Obviously you hate the USA the way it is, so dont let the door hit ya where to good lord split ya."


Hahahahaha, imbecile.

Your kindergarten-level gibberish proves how little you've thought through your opinions, and how little you're capable of doing so.






Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jan 14, 2013 - 10:58am PT
Saying either of those things quietly and in private is not really illegal. Yelling fire in a theater where there is a fire is perfectly legal so the details are important when it comes to free speech.


I think the statement relating Free Speech to yelling fire in a movie theatre rightfully assumes the theatre had people in it watching the movie

It also assumes the yes there is a actual fire

so yes, yelling fire in a theatre with people in it when there is no fire is indeed illegal
jghedge

climber
Jan 14, 2013 - 10:59am PT
"Just like a person should get arrested because of the repercussions of their having a gun, not for having one?"

Which, of course, happens all the time. Walk into a TSA checkpoint with one, and see what happens.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 14, 2013 - 11:05am PT
no hedge,, its simply what you deserve for your punk mouthed blabber. Its what you deserve for your non stop insulting posts.. Well you DESERVE a whole lot more than that, but this is only cyberville. A place where you can be a "man" by insulting from the safety of a monitor..
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 14, 2013 - 11:10am PT
Just like a person should get arrested because of the repercussions of their having a gun, not for having one?

When talking about gun laws, try not to make up absurd and irrelevant sh#t... like suggesting someone would ever get arrested just for having a gun.
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Jan 14, 2013 - 11:11am PT
I posted way upthread stats about gang violence. They are a tiny tiny part of national violence. When posted, people complained about how gang is measured and defined - and that is difficult. But the numbers, best we have them are there.

Almost all females who are victimized (non-fatally) and killed are killed by someone they know. For men it's about 50/50.

And as far as the economy, that was long thought a key part of the puzzle. As the economy tanks, violence goes up. Except that hasn't happened. Crime started dropping in the early 90s. It's started going up in the last year or so. Economy was in the shitter for a lot (most? all?) of that. Not so easy to explain.
jghedge

climber
Jan 14, 2013 - 11:12am PT

"A place where you can be a "man" by insulting from the safety of a monitor.."

Hahahahaha

Truth is, you're not man enough to live your life - you need guns to make you feel like a man.

Men don't need guns. You do.
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