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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jan 20, 2013 - 04:30pm PT
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I gotta admit
I love talking about and shooting guns!
Wasn't it Crosby, Still, and Nash who sang "Teach your children well"?
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jan 20, 2013 - 04:33pm PT
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I quit following this thread days ago. This tumult in the issue, this run on the bank mentality in ordnance purchasers seems to have brought out the worst in so many people on all sides of this debate.
There were people who, though I may not have always agreed with, I used to respect who have now plummeted in my estimation.
And indeed the very worthlessness of the discussion here has driven home what a monumental waste of my time much of my Taco experience has been.
It is one thing to feel strongly about an issue, but quite another to be so self-righteous as to feel entitled to sling foul smelling calumnies about and then claim that anyone who disagrees has innocent blood on their hands.
Likewise, those that have thrown courtesy by the wayside in defending what they perceive as an assault on their freedoms have only served to enhance the putrid nature of the stench.
Shame on the lot of you.
In time this business will shake out. Things will sort themselves out. Maybe there will be more useless laws, maybe not. But there are definitely more people on my "not worth paying attention to" list (which was quite long to begin with) and, while but a pale moon cast shadow second to the tragedy that prompted this discussion, that is nonetheless sad.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jan 20, 2013 - 04:36pm PT
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yes Toker,
only you have risen to the nobility of seeing each side of this
and good of you for staying away for so long, just soaking in and reflecting so well
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Jan 20, 2013 - 04:38pm PT
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Actually wing nut, I was just injured yesterday (broken or dislocated rib and bruised kidney) breaking up a street fight. My own fault though. After dodging a few of his fists I subdued the 20 something kid by kicking his feet out and driving him to the ground. Once on the ground he was quite docile. Unfortunately for me at the same time i slipped on the sidewalk ice and cracked my back across the edge of the railroad tie landscape wall. And before you tell me i am too old for street fighting understand that i was breaking it up. No baseball bats, ice axes or thank god guns.
I am sure a very few of you are quite pleased I got injured doing a civic good.
And I bet you think if only you'd been there with your heat you'd have .
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jan 20, 2013 - 06:53pm PT
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Going to Montrose tomorrow, need to remember to get some barbless hooks.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Jan 20, 2013 - 07:10pm PT
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Wow Wallslave I am sure they are devestated.
Trot line?
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 20, 2013 - 07:19pm PT
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Doninny is advocating and calling for vile and dispicable ethics and slander campaigns...
Have you seen the recent NRA ad campaign? Do you have and express as much contempt for those bastards as you do for one man voicing his opinion?
Ballslave sounds like blahblahbullshit or maybe Jody. Regardless of who it is, their arguments are absurdly extremist and should be embarrassing to most gun owners.
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Jan 20, 2013 - 07:21pm PT
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Dear Mr. Vice President,
I am Sheriff Tim Mueller, elected twice by the citizens of Linn County Oregon who have entrusted me with a noble cause: to keep them and their families safe. My deputies and I take that responsibility very seriously and, like you, have sworn to support the Constitution of the United States. I take that oath equally as serious as protecting our citizens. I have worked for the people of Linn County for over 28 years as a member of the Linn County Sheriff's Office as well as serving three years active duty as a Military Police Officer in the US Army, where I also swore a similar oath.
In the wake of the recent criminal events, politicians are attempting to exploit the deaths of innocent victims by advocating for laws that would prevent honest, law abiding Americans from possessing certain firearms and ammunition magazines. We are Americans. We must not allow, nor shall we tolerate, the actions of criminals, no matter how heinous the crimes, to prompt politicians to enact laws that will infringe upon the liberties of responsible citizens who have broken no laws.
Any federal regulation enacted by Congress or by executive order of the President offending the constitutional rights of my citizens shall not be enforced by me or by my deputies, nor will I permit the enforcement of any unconstitutional regulations or orders by federal officers within the borders of Linn County Oregon.
In summary, it is the position of this Sheriff that I refuse to participate, or stand idly by, while my citizens are turned into criminals due to the unconstitutional actions of misguided politicians.
Respectfully,
Sheriff Tim Mueller
Linn County Oregon
There's a quote every American could agree with. Finally some reason in this sea of fish. Everybody knows that one human doesn't have the power in the US to cause the courts to overreact and ruin America step-by-step.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 20, 2013 - 07:24pm PT
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Sheriff Tim Mueller is an idiot, as only an idiot would overreact to a proposal that hadn't even been made yet.
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Jan 20, 2013 - 07:25pm PT
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If a Canadian told Harper that no individual would cause the Canadian way of life to change through our courts, nobody would whine except for the co-conspirators of that one (criminal) individual.
I wonder out of those arguing here, who would have the stronger argument if these crazy guys hadn't made a point for them. I know a couple that seem like they are mad only because the gunman didn't use the bushmaster rifle but left it in the car. If only the rifle had been used inside the school their argument would have been complete eh?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jan 20, 2013 - 07:27pm PT
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At least that Linn County Sheriff was elected. He can say he's accountable to the voters of his county, NOT the President.
There are a number of un-elected Chiefs of Police who defiantly refuse to help enforce any federal immigration laws, so the precedent has already been established, and fully recognized as legitimate by Washington.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jan 20, 2013 - 07:27pm PT
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ooohhh
a real live "sheriff" from some country in Oregon SAID SOMETHING YOU AGREE WITH
wow, big news
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Jan 20, 2013 - 07:28pm PT
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Even though Obama could have just made one law - bar the media from reporting on mass killers - that would have made a big difference, he chose 23, most of which said, I'm going to send a letter to this bureaucratic office, or, I'm going to build support around Obamacare.
Oh yeah, it is an American right to have freedom of the press. Free to report on whatever they want as much as they want and ignore what doesn't drive gun sales. It is like they work for S&W.
Their reporting is about as balanced as the posts on this forum. Sorry I've made it worse!
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 20, 2013 - 07:32pm PT
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Even though Obama could have just made one law - bar the media from reporting on mass killers - that would have made a big difference
Oh wow, you are smarter than I thought! That would fix the problem once and for all... fuk the first amendment in the face with a 2x4 and promote ignorance in order to protect the outdated 2nd.
Brilliant... as in the most retarded thing I have ever heard from anyone ever.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jan 20, 2013 - 07:34pm PT
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I dunno. If a tree falls in a forest, and nobody hears it ...
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Jan 20, 2013 - 07:34pm PT
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mecrist, OK, so how about mention it in the back pages once, then push something good to the front page for the next few weeks. Would that be so un-american? ps. I edited the last post before I saw yours - could say I was telepathic!
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jan 20, 2013 - 07:36pm PT
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Even though Obama could have just made one law - bar the media from reporting on mass killers - that would have made a big difference, he chose 23, most of which said, I'm going to send a letter to this bureaucratic office, or, I'm going to build support around Obamacare. Not surprising.
are you a high school kid who failed basic Civics class, tooth?
Presidents don't "make" laws
only congress can make a law, a President can only sign it
The President cannot "bar the media from reporting on mass killers", no authority
Get your facts correct prior to blurting your opinions
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Jan 20, 2013 - 07:38pm PT
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You would still have your first amendment. But you seem to want to focus on one way of death of children in the US because you deem it more important than others. Not because it kills more per day, week, year, at a time, or anything else. You pick it.
It also sells, so it stays on the front page.
But keeping it there only causes more of the same. It doesn't fix the problem. Unless an 'assult' weapons ban does more this time than last.
But you know in your heart that giving these guys attention only feeds the problem all other things being equal. If it wasn't such a fun topic for you, say, something like abortion that kills more kids per year, would you still want it on the front page each day?
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Jan 20, 2013 - 07:41pm PT
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All because you MIGHT NOT be able to have high capacity magazines and have to get a stricter background check for ALL gun purchases? Already things I have to go through to get a gun, and no, I can't get high cap mags. Was that argument supposed to apply to me?
Oh yeah, you can get your pants in a bunch because I used an incorrect political term but it's fine for you to ignorantly say this to a Canadian. Even if I ignored the facts and looked at the gist of your argument, (you are discrediting what I said based on the fact that you think I want to keep certain guns that I have - which I don't) I would see that you aren't thinking, just arguing. Good job. Keep it up.
OK, use a signing statement. Or the plethora of other tools he has at his disposal to encourage things to happen. Sorry I used American Political terms incorrectly and the idea flew right over your heads.
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