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survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 17, 2013 - 12:19pm PT
the count is 147 Survival.


So the phuk what? I guess the reference is a couple weeks old. That doesn't change the fact that he hasn't signed 950 like the conspiracy sites want you to believe. 144-147, it's better than made up sh#t.

I guess you didn't look at the rest of those numbers?
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Jan 17, 2013 - 12:21pm PT
the count is 147 Survival.

so now "facts" are important to you? Try for consistency rong... it might help if you care to have anyone at all with anything more than a f*#king pee brain pay attention to your ignorant ass...
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 17, 2013 - 12:25pm PT
Nutty Repugnant Assholes
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 17, 2013 - 12:28pm PT
How to count executive orders:

1) Take the number of executive orders a president has actually signed

2) If the president's has a funny Muslim name, multiply that number by 10

3) Compare the counts

4) Send the results in an email addressed to everyone you know!


Ok, that was funny as phuk!
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Jan 17, 2013 - 12:35pm PT
only one problem with that math Dave....

even if you multiply 147 by 10 you still only come up with 1470.

That doesn't put our great president over Franklin D. Roosevelt with 3,522

though rong is so caught up in his own little world of cognitive dissonance that math probably does work for him.

It is, after all, arithmetic.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jan 17, 2013 - 12:40pm PT
And they are even at greater risk now. Imagine, a black President confronts gun nuts....frankly, I'm concerned.
Randisi

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
Jan 17, 2013 - 12:45pm PT
For the record, for you gun nuts, I've never felt threatened walking in this Chinese city of six million (Dalian).

Not even once, in any neighborhood, at any time of day.

Can you say the same about any American city of comparable size?

survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 17, 2013 - 12:48pm PT
Walking?

There was a neighborhood in my nations capital that I couldn't wait to get the phuk out of in a vehicle!!
Rick Krause

Trad climber
Madras, Or
Jan 17, 2013 - 12:53pm PT
Zachary Rogers, 26, was working late one night at the 21st Amendment liquor store. It was just past midnight when an armed man wearing a ski mask entered the store and forced Rogers and another store employee, Alicia Grabarczyk, 25, down a hallway toward an office where the safe was kept. With a concealed handgun in his front pocket, Rogers chose his moment of opportunity carefully. In one quick motion, Rogers pushed Grabarczyk to the floor and fired at the armed robber. He then helped Grabarczyk into the office and out of the line of fire. Although the burglar had been struck, Rogers saw him raise his firearm. Rogers fired three more rounds at the gunman which proved fatal. Neither Rogers nor Grabarczyk were harmed. (Indianapolis Star, Indianapolis, IN, 10/11/12)

While at home with his wife and daughter, a homeowner prepared to go outside to investigate a sudden power outage. His wife asked him to carry his firearm with him as a precaution. As he opened the front door to step outside, three men charged him in an attempt to gain entry. The homeowner pushed his wife aside as he fell backward and fired at the intruders. His daughter, a student in her early 20s, hid in another room and called police. One of the three home invaders suffered multiple gunshot wounds and was listed in serious condition. The remaining two suspects managed to escape. The homeowner and his family were not seriously injured. (Sun Sentinel, Miramar, FL, 10/2/12)

Kendra St. Clair, a 12-year-old at home alone one day during her fall break, called her mother at work to say there was a man repeatedly ringing the doorbell and banging on the door. When no one answered the door, she said he disappeared. St. Clair’s mother instructed her daughter to get her .40-cal. Glock pistol and go into a bathroom closet. St. Clair heard him break in through the back door. As the man made his way through her home, 911 dispatchers kept St. Clair on the phone. He was inside the home for approximately six minutes before he made his way to the bathroom where St. Clair was hiding. When she saw the door knob begin to turn, she fired the gun. The 32-year-old intruder was taken into custody after being treated for a gunshot to the chest. (The Oklahoman, Durant, OK, 10/20/12)

George Polanin, 66, went to bed early one evening only to be awakened by noises coming from inside his home. He was upstairs and followed the sound of footsteps to the basement. When he reached the stairs, Polanin said he could see only the intruder’s feet. “ … I got my weapon and basically told him I had a weapon, it was loaded and I will use it,” Polanin said. He then ordered the intruder to come out as he dialed 911. Polanin held the intruder at gunpoint until police arrived. (Kenosha News, Kenosha, WI, 10/17/12)
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jan 17, 2013 - 01:06pm PT
The more guns that are illegally in peoples hands, the more people are going to need guns to defend themselves.
Most, if not all, other industrialized countries don't have this problem and their violent crime rates are a fraction of our's.

WHY, pray tell, are the NRA and other like organizations against tightening up background checks and ending gun show loopholes?

They come off as crazy or intrinsically evil....or both.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 17, 2013 - 01:10pm PT
their [gun related] violent crime rates are a fraction of our's.

OR

their [murder] rates are a fraction of our's.

Both true.

Violent crime rate is related more to population density than anything else. In Uhmerikuh, with our love for loosely regulated firearms, our violence is just more "effective."
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jan 17, 2013 - 01:11pm PT
And a very good and proud record to have Ron!

Let's hope it's broken soon and often.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jan 17, 2013 - 01:26pm PT
Mechrist:
Intentional homicide rates (by any means) per 100,000 population.
US 4.8
IRAQ !!!! 2.0
Japan 0.4
Denmark 0.9
UK 1.2
Sweden 1.0
Italy 0.9
Spain 0.8
Australia 0.6
Germany 0.8
Switzerland 0.7
Canada 1.6

Looks fractional to me.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 17, 2013 - 01:27pm PT
dats homicide, not violent crime.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jan 17, 2013 - 01:28pm PT
Right...tends towards the violent side though.

I suppose you have a good point. The human incidence towards violence doesn't vary much, but guns make violence in the US more effective.

Hmmmm...sounds like an argument for gun control.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 17, 2013 - 01:29pm PT
23 executive orders in A DAY is a record...;-) and THATS the "rest of the story-- good day"!

Way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory Ron!

But, is it true?

And more importantly, does it make Obama a bad president?

Me thinks not.

But thanks for gnawing on the same ol' bone anyway.....
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 17, 2013 - 01:32pm PT
I find it an interesting, and important difference.

Violent crime is related to population density, regardless off guns. People are mroe violent when they are crammed together, and/or there is more opportunity for violent interactions. But high population density with guns makes the results of that violence more severe.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jan 17, 2013 - 01:35pm PT
I am in complete agreement. Thanks for pointing out and making the distinction.
It makes the gun control argument that much stronger.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jan 17, 2013 - 01:39pm PT
Dave, do you really think that fixing, or even identifying, all of the crazy people is realistic.
The countries I mentioned likely have the same percentage of "crazy" people as us.

The really CRAZY thing is the American obsession with gune.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 17, 2013 - 01:40pm PT
Gune? That's a form of painting isn't it?
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