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donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jan 16, 2013 - 03:17pm PT
The NRA is calling Obama an "elitist hypocrite."

He is an elitist in that he want's America to be elite:
To be first in innovation and technology
To be the leader in fighting global warming and injustice
To have the best grade and high schools in the World not just the best universities
To be the World's beacon for social justice
To really be the land of opportunity for all who strive
To have an equal playing field for all of it's citizens
To have a reasonable and compassionate "safety net" for the less fortunate

and on and on and on
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jan 16, 2013 - 03:26pm PT
The IRS buys up basically, 90% of the ammo that was on the market...

really? I had not heard of this Michael

can you post me a credible source link from where you got this? thanks
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 16, 2013 - 03:27pm PT
Paid for, by the DUMB, FEAR DRIVEN sheeple. ;)

That would have been a good plan.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jan 16, 2013 - 03:30pm PT
The NRA is calling Obama an "elitist hypocrite."


yes, the NRA is calling him a hypocrite because congress gives his children armed Secret Service protection

and I guess the NRA feels that congress should also provide every child in America armed protection

all paid for of course by cutting spending on Planned Parenthood and Meals on Wheels
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Jan 16, 2013 - 03:33pm PT
The federal government solicited bids to buy ammunition for its various law enforcement agencies. It did so online and pursuant to federal procurement regs, same as always. Conspiracy! The sky is falling! Obama!!111
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Jan 16, 2013 - 03:38pm PT
One of the positive outcomes of this gun debate is that it is exposing how unreasonable the radical right is. The NRA's response has been laughable and deplorable.

Now not only are moderates seeing the ridiculousness of the right wing, but many right of center conservatives (e.g. some of my relatives) are starting to see how far out there the "severe" conservatives are.

The constant diatribe about Obama being a socialist, when in fact he's just left of center, is finally starting to backfire on them and expose them as the ones who are far out of the mainstream and extreme.

Obama is taking a harder line with the right wingers in congress, and I welcome it. Of course he's somewhat to blame for the current situation because the reaction to Obamacare was a lot of the Tea Party Republicans got voted into the house in 2010, people who fail to compromise and realize the majority of Americans don't agree with their views. But hopefully this new approach will help expose them as the zealots they are and they will be replaced by moderate Republicans who provide a reasonable counterpoint to the Dems.
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
Jan 16, 2013 - 03:38pm PT
The U.S. Social Security Administration -174,000 .357 Duty Carry Sig 125 grain bonded JHP hollow point bullet ammunition.

The Internal Revenue service is looking for 60 Remington Model 870 Police RAMAC #24587 12 gauge pump-action shotguns for the Criminal Investigation Division.


The U.S. Department of Education intend to buy 27 of the same shotguns the IRS is looking for.

The US Forest Service recently bought 320,000 rounds of ammo

US Fish and Wildlife Service wants 13,500 more.

The FBI is looking for 100,000,000 hollow point rounds.

The US Department of Homeland Security recently posted a solicitation for 750 million rounds of high-power ammo

They also are requesting a quote for 12 MacLellan Bagpipes made from African Blackwood.


One of the positive outcomes of this gun debate is that it is exposing how unreasonable the radical right is. The NRA's response has been laughable and deplorable.


It's SO DEPRESSING.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jan 16, 2013 - 04:22pm PT
Michael, are not those figures you quoted really quite "normal" for those Federal agencies?

they DO have to continually purchase both arms and ammunition, as they have done regularly for many decades?

OR, are you saying these recent procurements are "unusually large"?

compared to what, what were the figures in recent history we can compare to?

I assume you are making a point, what is the point?

are you suggesting these purchases are designed purposely to lessen the "supply"?

to what purpose if so, to intentionally drive up ammo prices or something?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 16, 2013 - 04:25pm PT
The point is, whatever blog he read that on made it sound like a wild conspiracy... so he figured he would repeat it here, whether or not it is relevant.

Of course, I could be wrong... but that is usually how posts from the right pan out. Just take a significant portion from one of their sentences, stick it in google with quotes, and see what comes up.

For example... http://bit.ly/ZYAatm

Note the quality of the "news" sources... and of course the word for word quotes of the uncited information. I don't know if they are embarrassed to reveal their sources or what, but it is an interesting exercise to do anytime someone posts a bunch of "facts" without a source.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Jan 16, 2013 - 04:30pm PT
The idea that the federal government is buying ammunition for some nefarious purpose is just so stupid. Uh, the guv can make air craft carriers, drones, hellfire missiles and fighter jets. I'm pretty sure they don't need to make a run on the local walmart supply of .22 shells to crush the obama fueled revolution.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Jan 16, 2013 - 04:35pm PT
One thing I've noticed is that the recent shooting has made people like me realize that the NRA/gun folks are actually crazy. I really don't give a sh#t about guns or about what law abiding folks have in their homes or use out on the range or hunting or whatever. However, I now recognize that the whole second amendment thing needs to be reeled in.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jan 16, 2013 - 04:41pm PT
Well, you gotta remember that Michael has said he is 22 years old

not that there is anything bad, or good, about that of course

I don't get the strong impression that Michael is "right wing", maybe I am wrong?

I think he is a smart young guy who is getting engaged, reading, and testing out what flies under different support or criticisms

he is just getting his long term sh#t together is all, and doing better at 22 than I was....
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Jan 16, 2013 - 04:45pm PT
Who is Michael?
Dave Kos

Trad climber
Temecula
Jan 16, 2013 - 04:46pm PT
Obama's 23 Actions:

1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.

[...]

23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.

You forgot one:

24. TAKE ALL OF OUR GUNS AWAY AND FORCE ALL OF OUR CHILDREN TO REJECT JESUS AND BECOME HOMOSEXUALS

That's what he is really trying to do.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 16, 2013 - 04:57pm PT
Norton, I agree, he seems like a good guy most of the time, and fairly smart. Usually when I disagree with the stuff he posts I find it comes DIRECTLY from questionable sources, usually with a strong right wing component, which is why I assume he is from the right. I just hope he learns to question his sources of information, rather than just questioning what he doesn't agree with.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Jan 16, 2013 - 04:59pm PT
If Michael is 22 and is sitting around arguing with people on the internet he is truly a moron.
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
Jan 16, 2013 - 05:00pm PT
I just like to f*ck with people most of the time. That IRS conspiracy theory was just for fun. Wouldn't it funny though, if the economy was fixed by all the right-wing gun nuts freakin' out and paying absurd amounts of money for ammo they'll never use? Guns they won't use in any revolution?


For a brief second, I read "... he is truly a mormon."


michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
Jan 16, 2013 - 05:11pm PT
Mormons unite!
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Jan 16, 2013 - 05:49pm PT
Don't worry about your guns-- when the revolution comes we will just beg France to bail us out. Just like last time.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 16, 2013 - 05:53pm PT
too many of my familes lived under shitheads for decades and centuries and fought and died for those Rights.


Ok Kafka, simmer down now..

Which shitheads were your family living under for centuries anyway? That's interesting to me.

Seven posts all on the same thread? Welcome to the nuthouse bro.
Nobody is asking you to sign away all your rights are they?
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