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Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jan 14, 2013 - 03:32pm PT
Robb said:

"What is the number one "cause" of handgun death in America?"

Hey Norton I'll bite. I'm guessing suicide.


PS: How are you doing these days? Did you ever check into a TENS unit?
Hope you're doing well,
Robb


BINGO! Robb gets it, SUICIDE is the number one cause of handgun death in the USA.

Not "murder", not personal defense, not illegal gangs, SUICIDE


and Robb, thanks for asking, yeah I have used the TENS unit for quite a spell and yes it does block the pain going to the brain. Recently I had another round of cortisone steroid stuff injected in my lower spine, about a month ago, and although it has stopped the worst of the nerve pain a large amount of it still remains. My situation is degenerative and will slowly keep getting worse so surgery is likely in my future, and if so it would be the second spinal surgery for me.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 14, 2013 - 03:34pm PT
Luck be with you Norton,,,doesnt sound like a bit of fun...



edit: and Crimpie,, i believe that change in the form 4733 is around a year to two old, as there never used to be a specific hispanic section..
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jan 14, 2013 - 03:36pm PT
Thanks Ron, seriously this sh#t has been going on for over 20 years now.


I hope that someday you can live somewhere else.

I live in New Mexico, the largest Hispanic percentage population in the country, and we don't have anywhere the illegals and gang problems you have there in Nevada.

Hope you get the hell out of that sh#t hole you live in someday!
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 14, 2013 - 03:37pm PT
I assume your friend had a hunting license... or was some kind of South African official... or had the Attorney General approve his petition.

No person may sell or otherwise
dispose of any firearm or ammunition to
any person knowing or having reasonable
cause to believe that such person:

(5) Being an alien
(i) Is illegally or unlawfully in the
United States; or
(ii) Except as provided in paragraph
(f) of this section, is a nonimmigrant
alien: Provided, That the provisions of
this paragraph (d)(5)(ii) do not apply to
any nonimmigrant alien if that alien is-
(A) **Admitted to the United States
for lawful hunting or sporting purposes
or is in possession of a hunting
license or permit lawfully issued
in the United States;**
(B) An official representative of a
foreign government who is either
accredited to the United States
Government or the Government's
mission to an international organization
having its headquarters in
the United States or en route to or
from another country to which that
alien is accredited. This exception
only applies if the firearm or ammunition
is shipped, transported,
possessed, or received in the representative's
official capacity;
(C) An official of a foreign government
or a distinguished foreign
visitor who has been so designated
by the Department of State. This
exception only applies if the firearm
or ammunition is shipped, transported,
possessed, or received in
the official's or visitor's official capacity,
except if the visitor is a private
individual who does not have
an official capacity; or
(D) A foreign law enforcement
officer of a friendly foreign government
entering the United States on
official law enforcement business,

Paragraph (f)
(f) Pursuant to 18 U.S.C. 922(y)(3), any
nonimmigrant alien may receive a waiver
from the prohibition contained in paragraph
(a)(5)(ii) of this section, if the Attorney
General approves a petition for the
waiver.


http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/p/atf-p-5300-4.pdf
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 14, 2013 - 03:39pm PT
Norton,,were too close to Cali...They spread over us like a layer of belly fat from the west- oozing down across the towns and villages- blocking the once warm sun ..I know how the Choctaw felt when they were first invaded now...;=-D


wes,, your so far off and too far late.... GO REVIEW previous threads,, end of story...
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Jan 14, 2013 - 03:41pm PT
Here is the actual Act:

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-103hr1025enr/pdf/BILLS-103hr1025enr.pdf

In it, they note the FBI will do the checks. And that the information must be destroyed by 20 days. They also talk about BJS (Bureau of Justice Statistics' role). Looks like some of the data is used by BJS for required reports. The ATF's role is investigations.

Here is one report written and funded by BJS on the topic: https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/bjs/231052.pdf. Haven't been able to read it, but will.

Enjoying learning this new stuff, but have to behave and work again...
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 14, 2013 - 03:45pm PT
but,, but,, what about the DOJ!?? ;-)
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Jan 14, 2013 - 03:47pm PT
I didn't know non-US citizens could be the "actual buyer" of a firearm.
Very few legal rights apply only to citizens. Most, if not all the 9-11 hijackers could have legally purchased firearms, and for all we know, maybe did. They had after all, a constitutional right to protect themselves against tyranny and oppression...

Anyway, here's a little pertinent tidbit from my local newspaper:

http://www.pottsmerc.com/article/20130114/NEWS02/130119754/mushroom-house-owner-sentenced-for-pointing-gun-at-employees

Man threatens employees with a gun, apparently only a misdemeanor, and plea-bargains it down to a potential 30 days in prison... He is required to surrender or sell that gun, but this crime wouldn't even prevent him buying another...

Nice work your honor.

TE






Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Jan 14, 2013 - 03:52pm PT
Not sure what you mean about DOJ.

The FBI, BJS and ATF are all bureaus in DOJ. At the time of this act, ATF was not, but following 9/11 it got moved to DOJ.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 14, 2013 - 04:01pm PT
That was a point to illuminate something to another poster crimpie.. Thank you for explaining it most perfectly.. lol!;-)


the crickets fall like rain today...
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Jan 14, 2013 - 04:04pm PT
No person may sell or otherwise
dispose of any firearm or ammunition to
any person knowing or having reasonable
cause to believe that such person:

(5) Being an alien —

from BATFE site faq:

Q: May aliens legally in the United States buy firearms?

An alien legally in the U.S. may acquire firearms if he has a State of residence. An alien has a State of residence only if he is residing in that State and has resided in a State continuously for at least 90 days prior to the purchase. An alien acquiring firearms from a licensee is required to prove both his identity, by presenting a government-issued photo identification, and his residency with substantiating documentation showing that he has resided in the State continuously for the 90-day period prior to the purchase. Examples of qualifying documentation to prove residency include: utility bills, lease agreements, credit card statements, and pay stubs from the purchaser’s place of employment, if such documents include residential addresses.

See also Item 5, “Sales to Aliens in the United States,” in the General Information section of this publication.

[18 U.S.C. 921, 922(b)(3), (d) and (g), 27 CFR 478.11 and 478.99(a)]

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 14, 2013 - 04:08pm PT
Ksolem,,weve so been over this topic,, either wessie is a troll or has no memory left what -so -ever. I should just go copy and paste the whole ten pages of previous discussion for him lol!
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 14, 2013 - 04:35pm PT
guess you cant read eh hedge.. f8ckin special u are. In that short bus way..
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Jan 14, 2013 - 05:09pm PT
So, there are no Hispanics categories for crime data. I actually am shocked the FBI does not have this category. If I want to see Hispanic homicide stuff, I have to go to CDC. FBI doesn't have it.

There is a Hispanic (yes/no) category on the ATF form required for Brady background checks. The FBI does the actual background checks. Data are (in theory) destroyed in 20 days.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jan 14, 2013 - 05:10pm PT
The Application for a Federal Firearm License clearly asks the Ethnicity and Race:

photo not found
Missing photo ID#284170
dirt claud

Social climber
san diego,ca
Jan 14, 2013 - 05:25pm PT
THE SCHOOL SHOOTING YOU HAVEN'T HEARD ABOUT

Very few people heard about the school shooting in gun-filled Wyoming that left three people dead late last year. Stick around, and you'll find out why.

Here’s what happened:

Chris Krumm, a troubled 25-year-old, traveled from Connecticut to Casper, Wyoming, to settle a score with his father, Jim Krumm, a popular junior college instructor. The motivation for his actions are unclear, but Chris Krumm appeared to be suffering from a mental illness.

On a Friday morning, November 30, Chris Krumm murdered his father’s female companion Heidi Arnold– also an instructor at the college -- and left her body in the street. He then drove to Casper College where his father Jim taught computer science in Room 325. Chris Krumm entered the room and -- in front of students -- shot his father in the head. Jim Krumm heroically wrestled his son to the floor before he died so the students could escape. Chris Krumm, like most of these cowards, committed suicide before police arrived.

It was a horrific incident, and it shook my hometown of Casper and the rest of our sparsely populated state to its core. Although Wyoming has one of the highest rates of gun ownership in the U.S., it also has one of the lowest murder rates. The incident was unusual and shocking and heavily covered locally but not nationally. Where were Michael Bloomberg and Bob Costas and Piers Morgan and Barack Obama?

So why, in the tragic shadow of Sandy Hook, haven’t you heard of this school shooting?

Because Chris Krumm killed Heidi Arnold with a knife. He shot his father through the head with a compound bow and arrow at a range of four feet. And he used a knife to end his own miserable existence.

Now you know why you haven’t heard about it.
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
Jan 14, 2013 - 05:32pm PT
There are those who....

Think there should be no restrictions on who owns a firearm
Everyone should carry one, just like the wild west days
Feels they should be able to use them when threatened
People who feel their assault rifle will guarantee their freedom against a tyrranical government.


Then there are those who....

Think there needs to be more restrictions on who can own a firearm
Who can carry them (strict here in CA for the most part)
Who feel any law abiding citizen should have the right to have a firearm in home for self defense.


Then there are those who think banning guns will stop crime.


mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 14, 2013 - 05:35pm PT
dirt claud (a name I suspect reflects your intelligence level for reposting that crap), I heard about the WY murder when it happened. The reason it didn't make a lasting impression on most....


HE DIDN'T KILL 20 KIDS AND 6 ADULTS. NOR DID HE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO... BECAUSE HE DIDN'T HAVE A FUKING GUN!



As tragic as that was, 3 dead ain't the same as 27 dead.



And AGAIN, the reason murders are so low in WY is because violent crime is so low, which is due ENTIRELY to the low population density.


michaeld, I assume you fall into this category, right?
Think there needs to be more restrictions on who can own a firearm
Who can carry them (strict here in CA for the most part)
Who feel any law abiding citizen should have the right to have a firearm in home for self defense.

If so, good, we are on the same page. If Obama tries to take your guns, I've got your back. On the other hand, if he makes it a bit more of a pain in the arse to purchase guns to help ensure only law abiding, responsible citizens own them, I'm counting on you rationally explain the legitimacy of his actions to the nut jobs you know who start freaking out.
Dave Kos

Trad climber
Temecula
Jan 14, 2013 - 05:36pm PT
Are you going to post a similar story for the eight thousand gun homicides that we never hear about each year?

You can start a new thread!

couchmaster

climber
pdx
Jan 14, 2013 - 05:46pm PT
'It'll start to bring gun deaths down to the levels of other countries, though.'

Like Mexico which has a lot of gun control and a lot of gun violence. ?Somehow, I can see Americans being as violent as they are before.

Recent example of a 17 year old who was planning on blowing up his school for example. Take the guns away form kids and they'll still role model other kids destructive behavior.
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