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dirt claud

Social climber
san diego,ca
Jan 16, 2013 - 12:57pm PT
Obama Ballcupping-101, shh,class is in session.

Credit: dirt claud
Gary

Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
Jan 16, 2013 - 12:57pm PT
The only times I've felt in danger of a gun was from cops.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 16, 2013 - 12:59pm PT
Obama is a sensible man. I'd cup his balls if he asked, but only if Michelle was there too.
dirt claud

Social climber
san diego,ca
Jan 16, 2013 - 01:01pm PT
Well, of course, I would assume you would need her approval first.
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Jan 16, 2013 - 01:06pm PT
By the way, I wonder how many people posting on this thread actually have any real fear of violence in their personal lives.

The most scared of violence I've ever been was while armed with a fully-automatic rifle and multiple magazines, with the legal right to use deadly force on two drunken teenagers who were confronting me. Guns can't be set to "stun". Advocates of armed school security need to bear this in mind.

Kudos to Obama today, reasonable measures. Let's see what the Republicans do now to further sink their prospects next election.

TE
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 16, 2013 - 01:59pm PT
+1 Eddie

-∞ Rong
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
Jan 16, 2013 - 02:23pm PT
Obama's 23 Actions:

1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.

2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.

3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.

4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.

5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.

6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.

7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.

8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).

9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.

10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.

11. Nominate an ATF director.

12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.

13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.

14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.

16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.

18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.

20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.

21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.

22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.

23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.


Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/gun-control/2013/01/16/obamas-23-executive-actions-guns#ixzz2IATD7W9Z



Agree 100% with all of them. I still find the bolded kind of funny though. It's what I've been stressing needs to be addressed. It's like going to buy a car and they can't run a credit check because your score is hidden from everyone but the creditor.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jan 16, 2013 - 02:36pm PT
Advocates of armed school security need to bear this in mind.

Indeed....

One glaring problem I see with "armed" teachers and guards is everyone is all wrapped up in firearm specifics. The likelyhood of another crazed psychotic Adam Lanza is statistically very very small. Even though the government, media and the NRA try to scare the crap out of everyone believing just the opposite.

Anyone so "armed" needs to be fully versed in non-lethal methods too. If all you're bringing to an inner-city high school fist fight in Detroit is a one scared security guard and a Glock, you've just made the situation worse. How many typical "school" violence situations require deadly force?

Even Lanza could have possibly been dropped with aggressive non-lethal tactics (i.e. tasers/OC spray/batons).

I only bring this up since a friend was putting together a training course specific for armed school security guards which everyone is clamoring for around here.
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
Jan 16, 2013 - 02:40pm PT
I can see tazers in schools more than firearms. But I can also see over stressed, angry teachers tazing kids for punishment.


Imagine all the youtube videos of teachers tazing kids, being recorded by their peers' Iphone 6's.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jan 16, 2013 - 02:48pm PT
It's insane to expect teachers to carry ANY type of weapon, that is simply NOT what we select for in teachers. 82% of elementary and middle school teachers are women.

Take note that even many highly trained LEOS become confused and exhibit erractic, ineffective behavior when the shooting starts.

Arming teachers or having armed guards in a class room is a NON STARTER!
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
Jan 16, 2013 - 02:50pm PT
^^.
All school doors must be opened by a teacher/custodian/school employee/police officer from the outside.
All school doors must be able to be opened from the inside, pushing out, in case of emergency of course.

Keep the strange out.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jan 16, 2013 - 02:52pm PT
Whoa.....that's a LOT more sensible than arming people!
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Jan 16, 2013 - 02:54pm PT
Nothing should be done at schools. Why instill irrational paranoia? It is statistically highly, highly improbable that a child is going to be shot at school. Give them some vegetables at lunch, cut out soda and save more lives.
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Jan 16, 2013 - 02:56pm PT
I only bring this up since a friend was putting together a training course specific for armed school security guards which everyone is clamoring for around here.
Problem is, not many are clamoring for the training, just the arming. If every school security guard was trained and monitored as well as Obama's kids security detail, I'd have no safety concerns, but I'd still prefer that money was spent training teachers to teach instead.

Same goes for any CCW permit, if you want to carry in a public place, appropriate training should be mandatory.

TE
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jan 16, 2013 - 02:57pm PT
Another good suggestion....shitty food in school cafeterias results in more deaths than violence, but keeping doors locked and monitored seems simple and effective.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 16, 2013 - 02:58pm PT
What could possibly go wrong with arming teachers...?




Alright, so Obama is not coming after your guns... you can all relax now.

Meanwhile the gun companies made a KILLING off of the idiots who ran out to stock up on guns and ammo for fear of the impending bloody revolution against the evil dictator. Oh well, they can just sell them to a friend or acquaintance or gangster when they realize they don't need them anymore.

I wonder how many people have rolls of duct tape and visqueen next to their personal arsenals... in case of a chemical weapons attack.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jan 16, 2013 - 03:08pm PT
I agree Jim... but this intense "fear" of another Lanza is making the herd do silly things. It's no wonder with the media hammering the herd 24x7 with picture of dead kids and tearful parents telling their stories.

I must admit, it's very hard for me to drop my kid off in the morning at daycare even though I know that fear is irrational. I personally know of at least two families impacted by Lanza.

There was one local, very rural, highschool wanting a security review asking about concrete-filled posts around the school entrance(for truck/car bombs read the document) and setting up a hardened perimeter with checkpoints on the way in. Madness.


ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Jan 16, 2013 - 03:09pm PT
If they start locking doors and having security at my kids' school I'll pull them. Irrational paranoia is not something I want them learning at school.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jan 16, 2013 - 03:14pm PT
michaeld said:

All school doors must be opened by a teacher/custodian/school employee/police officer from the outside.
All school doors must be able to be opened from the inside, pushing out, in case of emergency of course.

this sounds like a good idea, kind of like requiring steel framed and lockable cockpit doors after 9/11


BUT Michael, in the recent Sandy Hook slaughter i thought the papers reported that the killer came to the school entrance, was seen, and the door was locked because he had been told before he was not welcome there. He blew the lock away and came in anyway
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
Jan 16, 2013 - 03:14pm PT
I'm not usually a conspiracy theorist... but eat this!

The IRS buys up basically, 90% of the ammo that was on the market...

The Obamanator puts fear into peoples' mind that the Gov't bout ta take er' guns!

IRS sells ammo for 500% what it's worth. BAM. Fiscal Cliff whaaaat?

Paid for, by the people. ;)
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