nick d
Trad climber
nm
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Dec 14, 2012 - 01:46pm PT
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When that guy in Virginia killed several of his fellow students it was found that he'd been under psychiatric care for his rage and anger issues.
In response to that information one of the top guys in the NRA said that even crazy people had inalienable gun rights and should face no restrictions.
That's why I hate the NRA and their no compromise on anything stance. They are an anti-government, anti-American group.
I said before we need reasoned discourse, but most pro-gun types are not capable of reason.
I personally feel that someone who feels they must be armed 24/7 is by definition somewhat paranoid, and that describes most of the NRA types.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Dec 14, 2012 - 01:55pm PT
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Supreme Court Justice Scalia said he believes the 2nd Amendment gives the right to own any kind of weapon they can physically carry "on their person", grenade launchers, etc
Oh I so gotta get me sum GrrrrNades I'd feel so safe.
'Cause nuttin says back off like a guy on a bad hair day with a GrrrrNade in one hand and the pin in the other.
GrrrrNades don't kill.
Pulling the pin does.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Dec 14, 2012 - 01:56pm PT
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In response to that information one of the top guys in the NRA said that even crazy people had inalienable gun rights and should face no restrictions.
Source for that please?
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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Dec 14, 2012 - 02:02pm PT
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I deserve to lose? I am not the one who is committing the evil.
We have a long standing tradition in this country of punishing the innocent to try to stop 100% of the guilty. The court system is the only place where the guilty go free in order to protect the innocent and even then, it doesn't always work so well. Outside of court, lawmakers are always making things hard for law abiding citizens in order to get re-elected... I mean in order to stop crime.
Dave
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Dec 14, 2012 - 03:00pm PT
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"Tyranny of Dogma alive and well".
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Dec 14, 2012 - 03:02pm PT
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Waiting for the NRA spin on this one.....I see this as a tipping point.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 14, 2012 - 03:05pm PT
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Stalin
Mao
Hitler
Hey jahil, yeah lets give this sicko the posthumous thrill of disarming a free nation.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Dec 14, 2012 - 03:49pm PT
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It's sad what happened. you can take the gun away from the person, but you can't take the evil.
They could of easily suicide bombed the place. Killers like to see the fear in people before they kill them. Sure, using a gun was easier than using a knife. But it was going to happen either way.
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TradEddie
Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
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Dec 14, 2012 - 03:59pm PT
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The most depressing thing about today is that it won't change anything.
This "enforce existing laws" and "guns don't kill people" drives me mad.
Existing laws are a joke, barely enforceable even after the fact. I can buy any gun I choose, as many as I like, then sell them all to whoever I want. If one of those guns turns up killing a cop or a bunch of kids, I just say "I lost them", and unless the cops can prove otherwise, I walk.
I won't even comment further on the idiocy of "guns don't kill people".
At this stage nothing will dramatically fix the problem, but sensible ownership restrictions, and laws that mandate responsible ownership would be a huge start that doesn't infringe on anyone's fundamental rights. Maybe over decades we could slowly reverse the trend. If we could reduce gun deaths by just 1%, there would be 150 lives saved every year, and thousands of horrific injuries avoided.
TE
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jahil
Social climber
London, Paris, WV & CA
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Dec 14, 2012 - 04:00pm PT
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Toker Villan:
Interesting juxtaposition of dictators and patriotism.
This is nothing to do with either, its about how a society chooses to co exist and regulate itself.
What happened in CT shows there is no place for unrestricted weapons in our society.
steve
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Dec 14, 2012 - 04:04pm PT
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The most depressing thing about today is that it won't change anything.
I'm not sure that's true. Yesterday I'd have said there would be no talk of gun legislation this term. Once the "Cliff" is settled though, I think we're going to start seeing some changes.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Dec 14, 2012 - 04:17pm PT
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Yes....I do believe we have reached a tipping point.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Dec 14, 2012 - 04:22pm PT
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In the recent Oregon shooting the kid had stolen the gun. We have laws making theft illegal. Didn't slow him down at all.Doesn't slow folks down in Mexico. They have strict gun control so they buy or steal a gun from a cop or army person and put it in use immediately.
Texas, the other side of the border, his minimal gun laws, more guns (everywhere, it's Texas) and much less shootings.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Dec 14, 2012 - 04:32pm PT
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The question is what has changed?
Guns have been guns for the past 50 years...
What is causing otherwise young middle-class males to go out and kill as many RANDOM people as possible...
That's the question...
Somethin' aint right laws sure as Hell aren't going to fix
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Dec 14, 2012 - 04:34pm PT
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/14/mike-huckabee-school-shooting_n_2303792.html?utm_hp_ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false#sb=888105,b=facebook
Mike Huckabee: Newtown Shooting No Surprise, We've 'Systematically Removed God' From Schools
Former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee (R) weighed in on the massacre at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn. on Friday, saying the crime was no surprise because we have "systematically removed God" from public schools.
"We ask why there is violence in our schools, but we have systematically removed God from our schools," Huckabee said on Fox News. "Should we be so surprised that schools would become a place of carnage?"
This line of reasoning isn't new for Huckabee.
Speaking about a mass shooting in Aurora, Colo. over the summer, the former GOP presidential candidate claimed that such violent episodes were a function of a nation suffering from the removal of religion from the public sphere.
"We don't have a crime problem, a gun problem or even a violence problem. What we have is a sin problem," Huckabee said on Fox News. "And since we've ordered god out of our schools, and communities, the military and public conversations, you know we really shouldn't act so surprised ... when all hell breaks loose."
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Dec 14, 2012 - 04:41pm PT
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 14, 2012 - 04:50pm PT
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Extreme nutcases prove your point?
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Dec 14, 2012 - 05:57pm PT
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If you think my point is that extreme nut cases should not have access to such excessive fire power then yes.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Dec 14, 2012 - 05:59pm PT
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Legally, extreme nut cases don't have access to excessive fire power.
But then, nut cases can't legaly kill people, either.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Dec 14, 2012 - 05:59pm PT
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http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/12/14/1339761/hours-after-kindergarten-shooting-michigan-gop-calls-for-allowing-guns-in-schools/?mobile=nc
Hours After Connecticut Kindergarten Shooting, Michigan GOP Calls For Allowing Guns In Schools
By Zack Beauchamp on Dec 14, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Hours after the terrible shooting in a Newtown, Connecticut elementary school, the Michigan House Republicans issued demanded that Governor Rick Snyder (R) sign a bill that would make it easier for people to receive a gun permit and open up “gun free zones,” including schools. A statement attributed to Press Secretary Ari B. Adler shrugged off any link between guns in schools and school shootings:
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