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Captain...or Skully

climber
Jan 12, 2013 - 09:28pm PT
Afghanistan.

Stans are bad.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jan 12, 2013 - 09:55pm PT
The logic of sheep is what we have here. Pathetic to see and hear.

Of course enough wolves could devour the whole flock.

The point is there are many more sheep than wolves in this pasture.

If even a small percentage of those soft wooly critters can eat wolves, the wolves think twice. Wolves aren't used to being eaten by sheep, even in small numbers. Perhaps they change their diet to squirrels and cats.

It's a deterrent, perhaps a clause added by a once proud people that refused to be subjects. The tools aren't as important as the will. It would seem over the past 30 years, the majority of our nation is more than happy to be subjects. Rather than take care of ourselves, our families, and our communities, the majority look to the King for security and bread.

Interesting times.


rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jan 12, 2013 - 10:27pm PT
The NRA gun hysteria is merely another smoke-screen diversion to keep the wanna-be macho gun owners / right wing tea-bagger kooks playing with their genitalia while their masters , the republic party , screw em in the ass by lowering the richest 2% earners taxes and and cutting back on social security and other paid into social safety net systems...Keep chasing your tails you ignorant Jackasses and keep focused on gun rights while the shifty republicans steal your retirement and any other rights handed to you by the democratic voters....Heee Haww...
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Jan 12, 2013 - 10:48pm PT
From the FBI, you can see the relationship in city/county size and murder rates isn't totally straightforward: http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table_16_rate_number_of_crimes_per_100000_inhabitants_by_population_group_2011.xls

Fatal: Metro counties 3.3 per 100,000
Non-Metro counties 3.2 per 100,000.

And for places with 500,000+, the rates move around a bit. Some larger places have higher murder rates. Others don't. Of course these numbers do not control for income, education and other things which matter.

For non-fatal violence - see table 6. http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv11.pdf. I would not use FBI for non-fatal as it only has crime reported to the police. The table here has crime reported and not reported to the police. The difference in total violence and serious violence is simple assault.

In some cases, urban has higher rates. In some rural has higher than suburban. It seems to depend on the type of crime to me. And it depends on the way areas are categorized.
crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Jan 12, 2013 - 10:53pm PT
Rottingjohnny hits a home run!
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jan 12, 2013 - 10:54pm PT
The first time I heard that story of "fear's" about the wolf and the sheep was in my Concealed Carry License class.


Yes, our intrepid instructor liked to see himself as the sheep dog, protecting the sheep from the marauding wolf lurking in the shadows.

The picture he was really painting was that HE was the armed protector, protecting the passive civilian population from all the bad guys.

Basically, he really wanted all of us in the class to kiss his ass and adore him.

I remember standing up and telling him to shut his mouth and quit stroking himself, that the class was about concealed carry laws and not about how cool he thought HE was.

I see that same crap being talked about here on this thread, give me a break.
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Jan 12, 2013 - 11:04pm PT
Can you name a single conflict, since the turn of the the 20th century, where untrained civilians with small arms defeated the military?

Nicaragua...
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Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Jan 12, 2013 - 11:06pm PT
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Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jan 12, 2013 - 11:09pm PT
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tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Jan 12, 2013 - 11:23pm PT
Nicaragua isn't a good example because both sides didn't start with the guns that they fought it out with. Other 'interested parties' chipped in for the side they were rooting for and many of the weapons were from out of state. When I was working down there I was staying with some guys involved in the conflict and they were telling me what it was like. Same with Afghanistan - once the fighting got started weapons were imported. Syria is another example. Iran has been helping them out, this is why the current regime hasn't already put down the uprising.

Nobody has an example of a civil war where nobody else got involved in the mess?
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 12, 2013 - 11:26pm PT
bang bang - not the big bang
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Jan 12, 2013 - 11:27pm PT
that is the way it always is. france was helping us in the revolution. Brittian was helping the confederats etc..
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jan 12, 2013 - 11:37pm PT
Don't forget the sheep and wolf story

very important to our understandings as we decide on armed teachers in schools
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jan 12, 2013 - 11:39pm PT
I remember standing up and telling him to shut his mouth and quit stroking himself, that the class was about concealed carry laws and not about how cool he thought HE was.

You're an interesting guy Norton. Got an angry streak and a touch of self-loathing or something like it going on though. I dig it though because you're honest.

Why would you have stood up and said anything in someone else's class? Told him to "shut his mouth" because you didn't like his analogy you took as 'ego stroking'? Really?... That must have been awkward for everyone.

couchmaster

climber
pdx
Jan 12, 2013 - 11:44pm PT
Can you name a single conflict, since the turn of the the 20th century, where untrained civilians with small arms defeated the military?

Cuba.





Can I name any "potential" politicians dissuaded from trying to become reactionary overloards due to an armed population?

Richard Nixon.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jan 12, 2013 - 11:52pm PT
Get back to moving furniture and quit slackin!

Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jan 12, 2013 - 11:53pm PT
Mr Kos,

As an untrained civilian with small arms, why should I ever have to consider defeating - or even being on the opposite side of - our military?
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jan 13, 2013 - 12:01am PT
Turnabout, fair play?

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 13, 2013 - 12:45pm PT
Fatal: Metro counties 3.3 per 100,000
Non-Metro counties 3.2 per 100,000.


BOTH US murder rates are STILL 3x higher than they are in the UK, despite the UK having higher rates of violent crime, chronically bad weather, ugly chicks, and plenty of hammers. WHY?

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 13, 2013 - 01:03pm PT
Wrong again Rong. The UK was saved by the US MILITARY... part of the US GOVERNMENT... the same organization many gun nuts insist they need puny little assault weapons to defend against. Meanwhile, lax regulations allow those puny little assault weapons to fall into the wrong hands and kill dozens of children or other innocent people in minutes... well before any responsible concealed carrier can react.
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