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xtrmecat

Big Wall climber
Kalispell, Montanagonia
Dec 10, 2012 - 07:16am PT
I read that article yesterday, along with several articles of highway fatalities. Nick, your logic isn't.

Burly Bob
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Dec 10, 2012 - 11:22am PT
I read the article about the 7yr old a few days ago. So sad. It really hammers home the point that no matter who you are eventually you will have an AD. The only thing that keeps that AD from being a tradgedy is constant muzzel control dicipline and luck. Even Navy Seals have AD's.

The average gun owner is far more at risk of some sort of tradgedy than they are likly to use the gun to be a hero and save the day..

Speaking of heros. Sam Eliot kicks Clint's arse any day of the week as a western actor.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Dec 10, 2012 - 11:22am PT
I watched the game last night, and I don't remember Bob Costas saying anything about the fact that if Dallas dude didn't have such easy access to an automobile, his buddy would still be alive.

I saw a frightening stat recently: 100% of NFL players own cars!
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Dec 10, 2012 - 11:28am PT
Chaz. does the fact that young kids get drunk and kill each other with cars somehow excuse all the gun violence?
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Dec 10, 2012 - 12:58pm PT
Can't speak to all the bullshit in the news. They want to shock and scare you otherwise their ratings go down. I believe that the reason for citizens to own weapons is at it's root to help enforce and support the other amendments and parts of the constitution. Bottom line for me, I trust all of my friends and relatives, hell, I'd extend that to almost all of you, much more than any politician of suspect motives. They are generally sucked into wanting more power, even when they start out with pure motives.

Since I just got a new VEPR-12, I'm feeling pretty good about gun ownership at this time.

Regards
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Dec 10, 2012 - 01:39pm PT
I own a bunch of different firearms. Even own a Black Rifle with a light on it... I am however aware that owning these guns is a huge responsibility and that for most people the idea of needing them for self defence is a poor fantasy spawned by watching too many action movies & westerns..
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Dec 10, 2012 - 03:37pm PT
It's not about self defense for me at all. Not about hunting. Not about "self-defense", unless its the Warsaw Ghetto kind of self-defense sometime in the future.




















Which explains how I came to be running down the street unarmed at 3 am in only my briefs after a wannabe thief who was caught trying to break into my house. I would like to once again thank the first officer who responded for her restraint in not laughing uncontrollably at my costume when she arrived.
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Dec 10, 2012 - 04:23pm PT
I hear you there... One of the reasons that I have a Black rifle is that the tea party bunch worries me....
Dave Kos

Trad climber
Temecula
Dec 10, 2012 - 05:23pm PT
I got no problem with anyone possessing anything.

It's what people do that matters.


Why does our government waste so much money trying to prevent other countries from possessing nukes?
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Dec 10, 2012 - 07:35pm PT
Why does our government waste so much money trying to prevent other countries from possessing nukes?

Our government does not try to prevent all countries from having Nukes. Lots of countries have nukes. We do try to keep countries which appear to have a high likelyhood of behaving badly with them from having nukes.

It's kind of like making it illegal for felons to own guns.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Dec 10, 2012 - 08:44pm PT
More like we have our cabin on the mountain and now don't want to see any more.

But guns aren't nuclear devices. They are intended to be precision instruments.
And we are trying to actually reduce the number of thermonuclear devices since, like battleships, they have become cumbersome anachronisms.

No fair comparison.

If you want to post news articles about tragedies from gun mishandling I can post 5X as many from the listings in The Armed Citizen where guns, sometimes merely by their presence, have deterred criminals from perpetrating tragedies.
Not to rant about the "liberal media", but why is it that they are all from local papers but when a kid wounds another kid with a gun in a school the network nightly news opens with the story?
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 10, 2012 - 08:54pm PT
But guns aren't nuclear devices. They are intended to be precision instruments.


Sure. so is acid. You are assuming then that humans are also precision instruments?

I think if you are looking for analogy then look no further than motor vehicles. They are not nuclear weapons either. However I'd love to hear as to how they should be unregistered, unlicensed and uninsured.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Dec 10, 2012 - 08:57pm PT
You are assuming then that humans are also precision instruments?

No.
I didn't say that.

You are the one assuming.




OK, if you can edit without indication;
There are way too many incompetent drivers out there, but the reality is that there always will be.
Nobody gets out alive.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Dec 10, 2012 - 10:00pm PT
Mr Kay writes:

"I think if you are looking for analogy then look no further than motor vehicles."


OK

Cars are much more dangerous than guns.

Almost every single person klled by an automobile is killed by complete accident.

Most people killed by guns - whether homicide or suicide - are killed on purpose.

Cars are out of f*#king control!
TFSTFU

Trad climber
Utah
Dec 10, 2012 - 10:13pm PT
Funny listenin to a bunch of republic of California's talk bout guns. Pussified yuppies.
nick d

Trad climber
nm
Dec 10, 2012 - 10:35pm PT
So you are ok with the idea that to operate an automobile, which is a utilitarian device, you need to be tested, licensed and insured, but that you need no qualifications whatsoever to own semi-automatic weapons?

Weapons that have no real purpose but to kill other people? And operated by the same bunch of yahoos that cannot operate motor vehicles without constantly having accidents? Same bunch that constantly have accidents with their weapons, usually with very tragic consequences?

And the fantasy that crimes are constantly deterred by the mere presence of a weapon is just that, pure fantasy. Costas hit the nail right on the head when he pointed out the the presence of a gun more often than not escalates the situation from shouts or fisticuffs to gunplay.

Facts bear this out. In the Western US, where guns are more common you're more likely to be shot than you are back East where the laws are much stricter. Also factual, you are most likely to shoot yourself, a family member or a friend, in that order.

Those are facts, not fantasy. Also fantasy is the idea that you're going to overthrow the government with your guns. We change our government through the ballot box, not with bullets.

And the right wing GOP'rs that gun nuts predominately vote for presided over the greatest loss of our constitutional rights by hammering through the ill-named "Patriot Act". Wanna fight for your constitutional rights? Get on the phone and start calling your elected representatives and hammer them to repeal this sham act. A gun won't help us accomplish this but your telephone and the US mail will. Fact, not fantasy.

Salamanizer

Trad climber
The land of Fruits & Nuts!
Dec 10, 2012 - 11:40pm PT
Facts huh? I haven't seen any "facts" to support your opinions.

Here's some "FACTS".

Somewhere around 30,000 people die from guns every year in the U.S.
More than half are suicides.
500,000 die from cigarettes.
You're 20X more likely to die from Medical Errors.
10X from Accidental injuries.
10X more from Alcohol.
3X more from car accidents.
3X more from poisoning.
2X more from drug abuse.
2X more from unintentional falls.
And the number one weapon in the U.S. for murders,... A Baseball bat!
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Dec 10, 2012 - 11:42pm PT
Costas hit the nail right on the head when he pointed out the the presence of a gun more often than not escalates the situation from shouts or fisticuffs to gunplay.

"More often than not."

Really?
nick d

Trad climber
nm
Dec 11, 2012 - 03:47am PT
Really. No gun, no gunplay.

You've also overlooked one of the extremely likely consequences of pulling a gun on someone, going to prison. Again, fact.

Alaska, Wyoming, Arizona, Nevada, New Mexico all in the top 10 gun deaths per 100,000 people. The rest are Southern states with heavy gun culture. The only anomaly is The District of Columbia, it sits at the top because of drug related crime. More guns, more gun deaths. Fact, not fantasy.

Also, "In 2010 - the latest year for which detailed statistics are available - there were 12,996 murders in the US. Of those, 8,775 were caused by firearms." This puts the lie to the baseball bat comment. Fact, not fantasy.
xtrmecat

Big Wall climber
Kalispell, Montanagonia
Dec 11, 2012 - 07:47am PT
Nick, your logic isn't. No cars, no auto deaths. Why do I need to repeat simple, very simple things to you?

Burly Bob
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