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Tony Bird
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Northridge, CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jun 30, 2012 - 08:53am PT
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Why are Republicans Wrong about Everything?
Politics, God and Religion vs. Science
these two threads are phenomenal, rarely off the front page here.
the "culprit" behind them is the same guy.
don't get me wrong, i'm not out to destroy these threads. someone recently started a feeble thread trying to do that, complaining that they "dilute" the climbing discussions. well, i think they also dilute the off-topic discussions.
i'm just trying to understand. to the credit of these threads, they seem to keep certain obsessive individuals happily occupied, people whose turbulent milieux and manner of (to strain the sense of the word) reasoning often destroyed the spirit of discussion a couple of years ago in predecessors to these threads. perhaps it's a tradeoff.
me, i just can't seem to get anything decent going. among my recent flops:
euell gibbons
my wife beats me
national parkitecture
feel free to critique my thread concepts as well as to analyze dr. F's two 800-lb gorillas.
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Jun 30, 2012 - 09:06am PT
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who ARE you, anyway?
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 30, 2012 - 09:13am PT
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californians don't like the subject of fires, ron. we only talk about them when we have to, and feeling nostalgic about them? you can't get nostalgic about bad things that are sure to happen again soon.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 30, 2012 - 09:23am PT
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haha--what a chicken. go ahead, click it--mental cruelty, even worse than S & M.
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Jun 30, 2012 - 09:28am PT
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Not you
Wait
Who am i?
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 30, 2012 - 09:33am PT
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ah, now we're getting somewhere, and this red-bearded entity could well be the key, since it was either he or his clone who, along with myself, was privy to recent conversations with the good doctor himself in a genuine on-topic setting which could bring us to the heart of at least one of the gorillas.
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Jun 30, 2012 - 09:35am PT
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This is not my beautiful house!
This is not my beautiful wife!
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Jun 30, 2012 - 09:36am PT
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I wonder what would happen if people didn't post to those threads? Hmmmmmmmm?????
As far as failures Tony, you've had a lot of great posts you don't have to be concerned. But if you want front page action, might I suggest a thread titled "Why the democrats and their ideas are so lame". Be prepared to bump it repeatedly like Fattrad on an overdose of go-juice to keep it on the front page. LOL
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 30, 2012 - 09:38am PT
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we may be in the midst of a crisis. things can get dramatic fast on supertopo. if i call 9-1-1 will they be able to respond quickly in arizona?
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 30, 2012 - 09:45am PT
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um, in response to the query posted by the entity with the "drljefe" avatar:
i am the only tony bird in this physical vicinity.
i am one of two guitar-playing tony birds on this planet with an interest in ethnic music.
i am one of two wearers of a "tony bird" nametag at the todd gordon party earlier this year; i'm the one most closely resembling the avatar photo which appears adjacent. i don't think the other fellow at that party plays the guitar, but i could be wrong.
when you've made wikipedia, you know you've made it. this is not me:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Bird
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Jun 30, 2012 - 09:46am PT
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Thread idea
Why Old Fakkas Refuse Crashpads
Or
The Legend of the Honey Bear and other outdated yet functional smoking utensils.
Or
Well
just add a rubber chicken to the mix.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 30, 2012 - 09:47am PT
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now for the trick question:
how's rosebud?
p.s.:
olde fakkas set in their ways. a matter of well-honed conscience. your ass on a crashpad destroys all credit for a sit start.
honey bears? don't they get smoked along with the contents? yuck.
i see ronno is now submerged in the prurient interest of scrabble.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 30, 2012 - 09:55am PT
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my trick question is taking some time, which means things are getting weirder and weirder. we could be engaging:
1. el jefe grande
2. clone of same
3. the ghost of orson welles
is this thread drifting already? i think not ...
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Jun 30, 2012 - 09:59am PT
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Driftin and dreamin
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 30, 2012 - 10:11am PT
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i got a pair of asolos three years ago. paid some good money, figured my aging feet need the extra support. i was also working construction at the time, and it felt good to wear them all day at the jobsite. the guy who sold them to me even recommended them for that.
in only a few months, the stitching started to come undone. i emailed asolo, an italian company, and got a nice reply from what i surmised must be a hot young outdoorsy woman in new england. did i ever get the treatment--new pair of asolos, two-day delivery. a few months later, not even working construction, same story. i treat them with "shoe goo". aging feet still feel pretty good in 'em. these puppies smear great but don't have much of an edge.
the same beautiful wife who beats me, almost daily, uses a VS cognac in her pie recipes. i'm what you might call a "kept man."
last night she beat me and our daughter twice. i was able to beat both of them once. i too live in a beautiful house, but it's not without its strangenesses.
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Jun 30, 2012 - 10:20am PT
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Rosebud???
You're trippin boo.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 30, 2012 - 10:28am PT
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i don't mind mentioning my tilley hat experience. i bought one of these entities, going on 4 years ago now. within a few months it developed a couple kinks along the rim of the brim which i couldn't get out in any way with my formidable array of mechanical devices (don't get your imagination going).
i refuse, repeat, refuse to send this hat back to the tilley organization. i followed their hifalutin instructions to a tee. they claim that it's "the finest in the world". that could well be, but a world class hat needs a world class sweatband and it don't got one. use by outdoorsy people south of canada, where the damned things are made, requires washings after practically every use. i bought this hat to look good as well as be functional. i don't want to flop around in those spiffless numbers put out by outdoor research and patagonia. this hat has looked like sh#t for the past three years, but my friends tell me it has "character", so i figure it isn't quite yet an eyesore.
if this ever reaches mr. tilley's eyes, he should know that two of my friends, very influential fellows in their own right, bought tilleys shortly after i did. god knows how many of their friends bought 'em as well. at A16 these days there's a big rack of tilleys, front and center, the minute you walk in the door. seventy-two-effing-bux ($72). don't be taken in.
ah, the red-bearded one has responded. we've got the clone here, and a beautiful woman may be in peril.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jun 30, 2012 - 10:36am PT
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Why Old Fakkas Refuse Crashpads
Because they're way homo, or
Because I don't like to do sh#t hard enough to fall off of.
Especially if it's six inches off the ground......
Edit: Did you notice there's three of you chatty bastards dominating this thread? HAHA HA HA!!!!
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Jun 30, 2012 - 10:37am PT
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I too wanted to start a pointless thread to attempt to rival those of Dr. F's.
But then I realized that he had the discussion genre pretty much sewn up.
At this point, due to the fact that I can mostly agree with his politics, I can see the discussion for what it is: A one sided, chain of goons attempting to speak well of a party that has pretty much fallen off the human scale, and those with brains pointing out how, why and when those goons are idiots.
Blame the fact that there are those who, to the outside inside/observer, seem to be so anti-America that they are willing to sell just about everything just to get themselves paid.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 30, 2012 - 10:38am PT
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in fairness to mr. tilley, both of my friends' hats continue to look fine, but i doubt they get the use i give mine. however, when you think of the expenditure of common resources that must go into the making of a $72 finest-in-the-world hat, mr. tilley should be far more concerned about what went wrong with my hat, and i doubt a meager south-of-the-border merikan would merit such attention. i figure they would go the route of asolo and just fire off a brand-new one, and i been there.
ron, it sounds like you perhaps ought to be sidling up to the PTC, if you're old enough.
yes, jingy--dr. F--"how does he do it?"
um, when it gets that high, survival, i do something called rock climbing. call highballing what it really is, high-testicle-ing. i've seen enough crashpad stacking to recognize neanderthals trying to invent the wheel.
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Jun 30, 2012 - 10:48am PT
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Williamson sucks!
Edit:
Bad.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 30, 2012 - 10:55am PT
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slander will get you nowhere on this thread. i know from first-hand experience that all arizona climbers are pussycats. hear that? pussycats all!
i've never been able to involve the norwegian in discussions. he would indeed be an asset. i love his poetic style. his fashion statements are unique--"the finest in the world".
my tilley goes well with my asolos, especially from the aspect of coordinated rapid deterioration. maybe you could post a picture of what you're planning to buy? this thread needs some visual appeal.
ronno, if your need is great, i will give you the key to the communist. it will require some homework, however. if you wanna get laid, you have to hustle. read this:
http://www.online-literature.com/willa-cather/1584/
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jun 30, 2012 - 10:55am PT
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"The two "gorilla threads" are powered basically by six or seven folks whom average a few hundred posts each."
'A few hundred'? Ever check out the post count on some of the regulars? Last time I looked, fattrad was over 30,000! Imagine where Lois was when she got the boot....
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"But if you want front page action, might I suggest a thread titled "Why the democrats and their ideas are so lame". "
It's been done. A couple of times. I'll try to find the threads, but won't bump them.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 30, 2012 - 11:00am PT
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ding! ding! ding! ding! ding!
we have attracted celebrity!
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 30, 2012 - 11:08am PT
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doctor, i do admire the thickness of your hide, although i would differ with your other premises.
i don't think "politics, god and religion versus science" comes close to the kernel of that noble thread to which it played successor, "why do so many people believe in god (serious question)?"
and "politics, god, religion, science" lumps way too much into one concept and is decidedly redundant to the republicans-wrong thread, per the aspect of politics. the old god thread was about metaphysics and philosophy. your current threads are not distinct from each other, and they are such monsters right now that they are not accessible to anyone except the regulars. that's the big drawback.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jun 30, 2012 - 11:10am PT
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Tony, this thread is bumping off other climbing-related content, and it's a subject that's been covered mannnny times. You do realize that, don't you?
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 30, 2012 - 11:18am PT
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there was an offbump from the god thread, dealing with evolution, i believe, that became the most visually hilarious thing on supertopo since the passing of the late, great ouch!, whose reign of mirth i unfortunately missed. but someone nuked that thread. pate may have been involved. he had this terrific nun obsession going, but i'm afraid he somehow got over it.
and where is locker these days?
apogee, i hate to put it this way, but i find at least 50 percent of the climbing content on supertopo to be, how can i say it, way lame. that's the nicest i can come up with. if you want great climbing content, come up with great climbing content and let it outshine everything else here in discussionland. you won't do that, and neither will i, or anyone else. be happy with the mix the way it is. do you discuss nothing but climbing when you go climbing and camping with your buds? if you do, you gotta be the boringest partner on the planet. we talk about politics, religion, science, relationships with the opposite sex, and offbeat, funny things--the stuff of OT here.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jun 30, 2012 - 11:22am PT
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Tony, the subject of the imbalance of OT threads vs. the kinds of threads that this Forum is intended for (and the related argument, 'Climbing Forum' vs. 'Climber's Forum') is so well-trodden and beat to death...what is your goal with this thread?
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 30, 2012 - 11:50am PT
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i think i stated my goal pretty clearly at the outset, but if you want the short version (haha, with apologies to dr. F, of course), it's to stir up all the flies that are covering the cowpie.
anyway, have at it. i was supposed to go climbing with medusa today, but he seems to be sleeping in, not sure why. i think an interesting thread idea might be: what effect would a buzzcut have on the nature of the 'duse?
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jun 30, 2012 - 11:53am PT
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Tony, not trying to rip on you, but before you go, nuke this thread. It's just taking up space.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 30, 2012 - 11:58am PT
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apogee, old top, i get so goddam tired of all the calls to nuke threads. discussion is free, and we have to assume that chrismac's storage space approaches googleplexity. there's never any restraint about posting memory-gobbling pictures of fannies from below or seconds coming up on toprope. the big problem with criticism on ST is that people like you are control freaks who want to dictate to everyone else. i'm trying to loosen a logjam here, and you don't even seem to appreciate that.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jun 30, 2012 - 12:03pm PT
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Jeebus, Tony. This is sooooo old.
Whatever, dude.
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WBraun
climber
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Jun 30, 2012 - 12:30pm PT
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Politics, God and Religion & Science is the root infrastructure of all humanity.
It's weaved into everything including climbing.
It's stupid narrow minded morons on this site who think climbing is only on it's own independent island .......
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Jun 30, 2012 - 12:39pm PT
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hey there say, tony...
wow, for a bit, you three here, have had a nice little chat going on, :)
just now (as i stepped in) noticed:
more folks are dropping in now, too--seems we are curious
as to what you got to say...
or--curious as what kind of 'analysis' is going on, :)
:)
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juar
Sport climber
socal
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Jun 30, 2012 - 01:13pm PT
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you seem to have lost weight
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Jun 30, 2012 - 03:04pm PT
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Republicanism is the root infrastructure of all humanity.
It's weaved into everything including climbing.
It's stupid narrow minded morons on this site who think climbing is only on it's own independent island .......
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jstan
climber
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Jun 30, 2012 - 03:10pm PT
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Rather than increase the political content on page 1, as many have requested, perhaps this thread might be moved to the republicans thread.
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Captain...or Skully
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Jun 30, 2012 - 03:35pm PT
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That Bohemian Girl bit is a good read. Thank you, Tony Bird.
I'll refrain from analysis, though.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Jun 30, 2012 - 03:57pm PT
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i hate to put it this way, but i find at least 50 percent of the climbing content on supertopo to be, how can i say it, way lame. that's the nicest i can come up with.
Wow, drama queen or what.
You bag on the OT threads, and bag on the climbing threads.
Tony, I've read some posts of yours that were interesting and poignant. But here, quit the over-analysis. Who cares how many posts _your_ topic gets? Unless you somehow measure your worth by SuperTopo acceptance of your ideas for generating responses.
In other words, give it a rest.
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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Jun 30, 2012 - 06:54pm PT
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Classic wisdom from the great one:
It's stupid narrow minded morons on this site who think climbing is only on it's own independent island .
Morons should book a flight to the Island for Misfit Climbers
and get the help they need.
Its only a few miles from the Island for Misfit Toys.
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juar
Sport climber
socal
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Jun 30, 2012 - 07:45pm PT
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hardly a good advertisement for constuction going back to poles and rope
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 1, 2012 - 09:04am PT
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i thought 50 percent was a nice, equable proportion. i stopped subscribing to climbing and rock & ice years ago because a lot of issues were near 100 percent lame.
ST offers something no magazine, not even one with a big budget for fancy photography and professional writing, will ever offer, and that's the opportunity to participate and interact on a daily basis. with a magazine, you have a 1/10th percent chance of getting your letter to the editor published, and that'll be two months after you send it in.
this new magazine, california climber, has one thing going for it--i might actually be able to afford the gas for a trip to one of the featured places. but, being a writer myself, i never spend much time looking at pictures, and i gravitate to controversy. controversy is like a good boulder problem--quite satisfying if it can be (re)solved.
i think dr. F ought to consider one thing. his current threads are not original threads. one was sort of a phoenix to the old "why do so many people believe in god? (serious question)" by our sadly departed juan de fuca, the other was a second swatch of republican bashing, both of those orchestrated by himself. when threads get "reincarnated", they don't attract the same people in the same way. i had a pretty good time in the old god thread, but the new one got opaque for me rather quickly. i suggest that he nuke them more frequently and try to redefine the issues in new threads. different cowpies draw different flies.
hey, 70 posts here the first day. personal best!
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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It's not my fault, I am not responsible for the content
I am just a Name,
it's not me
I Yam what I Yam
For the record I think DrF rocks and is one of the best reasons to visit SuperTopo.
Keep fighting the good fight brotha.
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go-B
climber
2 Timothy 1:9-10
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Bump!
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Agree or disagree, clearly Dr F. has some special skillz that few here share.....
..the person who started the bolting on half dome thread.....the person who started the wings of steel thread...these folks just have it.
...whereas the rest of us....
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 1, 2012 - 11:47am PT
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couchmaster is indeed an entity to be feared. however locker was recently dubbed "the chairman of the bored" and may now be the one on the top of the dogpile. i don't think locker would demur posting anything anywhere anytime. when he gets tired of sitting at the computer, he goes outside and puts more posts around his sheep corral.
hiya, go-B--wanna go climbing sometime? i know a new, secret area, almost as close as stoney point, certified choss-free. if i say more, someone will shoot me.
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