Look Out! Danger!... Or... "Look Out! Weak Sauce."


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Mountain climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
May 20, 2012 - 01:11am PT
Copyright Richard Jensen.

It could be an elaborate troll, but after reading his Intifada debunking, I'm doubting it.
This "route" sounds like a $hitpile. And if it's a troll, count me as hooked.
'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
May 20, 2012 - 01:19am PT
Very elaborate troll, and actually kind of well done, except his writing style doesn't match Richard's well enough.

Troll = madboIter1 has beaten you to Richard's blog, and lifted some of it over here. Pretty clever.

Of course, the reason one can be certain it's a troll is that there would be no reason whatsoever for Richard to assume a new identity, instead of staying with madbolter1.

This bastard is clever, I'll give him that. I would hate to be a fish when he's trolling his lures around, as he sharpens his hooks well.

Edit: Klaus, what appears to be real is Richard's blog. But do note the difference in the user name. As toluene*brainblow, you should be familiar with this tactic.

According to Richard's blog [thanks for the link, bergbryce] he feels the same way as you do [as do I] so let's wait until we hear from the real Richard Jensen, who will report his observations, and not this imposter.

At any rate, I have alerted Mark Smith, who is currently a little confused, but I think he will straighten us all out shortly. Kind of funny, really. I am snickering. I need a life. Badly. Get me up on the wall, pul-LEE-yuz!
'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
May 20, 2012 - 01:24am PT
Yes, you could be right about that, too!

Gonna be in the ditch next week? We should do some O.E's or some cab.

Mark - did you get Richard on his cell yet? I am trying to imagine Richard's response[!]
'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
May 20, 2012 - 01:28am PT
Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha!! Now we're really confused! Here is Mark Smith's email to me just now:

Clearly, madboiter1 is knott Richard, because he is knott long-winded enough!

Moreover, there is a dearth of ALL CAPS!

Pete, I don't know what to think. I just sent Richard a text about this. I know that he gets cell coverage even at the tower (Titan), but it's 11pm his time, so he's probably asleep. I think all we can do is hang out and wait for a response. If it's a troll, it's masterful. If not, what the heck is Richard doing posting under MADBOiTER! The bit about running red when he took a shower sounds like Richard. That's exactly what happened after we got off Cottontail about 20 yrs ago.

This troll is a real Richard aficionado, it would appear!
Pretty damn good troll if he's got Richard's own partner flummoxed!

Mountain climber
May 20, 2012 - 02:39am PT
Thanks, Pete!

http://www.supertopo.com/inc/view_forum.php?dcid=Ozg4NDQ8Pig, - total 845 forum postings found

http://www.supertopo.com/inc/view_forum.php?dcid=OzMzPDU4NiY, - total 8 forum postings found.

May 20, 2012 - 06:55am PT
Be safe up there, Richard. Looking forward to the pictures.

Edit: Also, my puny brain can't handle your multiple name variants.

Edit: Also, I'd bet Sweet Apple Acres that madboiter1 = madbolter1 <> madbolterI.
It's no troll.

Edit: It's a space station.
'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
May 20, 2012 - 11:19am PT
Another thing I had forgotten - Richard is a practising Seventh Day Adventist. He observes the traditional O.T. sabbath from Friday sunset through Saturday sunset. He would knott climb on a Saturday, in the same way as he and Mark didn't climb on Saturday.

I don't know if he would be allowed to post on a Saturday, however. Doing so might cause him to go to heck.

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
May 20, 2012 - 11:26am PT
Does one go to heck in a handbasket?

May 20, 2012 - 08:53pm PT
Hmm. Good point, Pete. I hadn't considered that.

The suspense builds...

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Topic Author's Reply - May 20, 2012 - 09:05pm PT
Well, I know that nothing I say with this screen name will be credible, but this IS Richard Jensen. I log in as normal, as I've done for years, and THIS is the account I'm saddled with. It's like something is very, very screwed up on that Taco's back end with my account! I've changed nothing, but now I get this slight variant of my former screen name. I don't know who to contact to address it, but it really is me.

Pete, you can tell because I just emailed you virtually the same thing from my conclusivesystems email account. So, you know that's for real. And I do have Internet in the evenings if I hike further out the train about 1/2 mile. So, most evenings I hike out and catch up on emails, post to the blog, and so forth. (Oh, and the blog is mine also.) I'm really baffled what's going on with my account, and I hope that somebody can alert the right people to connect my account up with my old screen name and past postings! VERY irritating indeed.

The pictures on the blog can be found in the "pictures here" gallery links on many of the postings. I'm about to post more, and tomorrow I'll have a bunch of the infamous hook anchor.

I combined the first two pitches and anchored about 30 feet below where they say to. Looking up that 30 feet, it's crumbly crap, and they tout another "bad belay" on their topo. Where I stopped, you can get multiple buried peckers, along with two of their buried bashies. It's the best series of placements I've seen so far, and a perfect anchor spot. It's about a 170-foot pitch, which is what these goofballs SHOULD have done in the first place. Instead, they intentionally broke things up as they did TO have the stupid hook anchor. AND, if you're just gonna drill all the way up the thing, why not just stop where makes sense and plant bolts for the anchor, even if you CAN'T get other good placements?

These nutjobs were WEAK in the pitches and then tried to be heroes at the BELAYS!!! SO, so stupid! And, given how things are turning out, I'm not even inclined to try to maintain their "no bolts at anchors" bit. Everything I've got is bombproof for a downward pull, but nothing good for an upward one. A nice, beefy, 1/2 x 4 1/2 inch five-piece with a rap-ring on it will serve a lot of purposes at the same time, AND it will last basically forever! If I do that sort of thing at each anchor, it should be possible to rap the route. Still just thinking.

Anyway, two pitches up, and the drilled/trenched crap continues!

May 20, 2012 - 09:34pm PT
Hi Richard! Hope you're well up there!

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
May 20, 2012 - 09:59pm PT
I did not find a madboIter Troll duplicate on this thread!

madboIter1 9 posts on ST starting on May 16th 2012. Then two posts in 2006.


First home was WallaWalla, WA, then Denver.

No other madbolt1 on the thread at the moment.

Did the troll delete, or is this the result of madbolter1 inhaling too much sand?
'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
May 20, 2012 - 10:22pm PT
Well, how about that - madboIter1 really IS Richard Jensen!

The only way I can confirm this is because of the email he just sent me, which was in direct reply to the email I sent to him at his legit email address:

"This is really weird!!! I log in as normal, as I've done for years, and my user name comes up as madboLter1. Not as madbolter1."

Note from Pete: He really means his user name comes up as madboIter1. Perhaps it is hard to tell an I from an L on his portable device?

"I've changed nothing, so I have to assume that somebody at ST has screwed this up and is no longer properly linking my account with my past posts. I don't even know how to address this, and I sure can't deal with it now. But it's me, even though the screen name is screwed up.

Thanks for the heads-up, Pete, as always!!!"

Well, I'll be buggered. Certainly you can understand my confusion, when there was a previous imposter for Richard who was madbolterI. Thanks to rincon for the bump.

Da_Dweeb had figured it out, because he knows Richard. Thank frickin' goodness that crazy bastard left out the damn ponies! ;)

So Richard can *still* climb, eh? Not bad for an old fart. Hey Mark Smith, why aren't YOU still climbing too?!

Dang, now I gotta go back and read everything.

Note to our webmaster: any chance you can fix this? Has this happened to anyone else? Very strange.

May 21, 2012 - 01:03am PT
Hooraay! I will start up a Supertopo pony thread to celebrate! It will be okay because I'll put (OT) next to the thread title

Big Wall climber
Portland, Oregon
May 21, 2012 - 02:19am PT
Hey Mark Smith, why aren't YOU still climbing too?!

Mark Smith turned 50 rather recently. Is there climbing after 50?

Also, Mark Smith has the nasty problem of a real job, one that expects him to schedule multi-week trips in the summer, a time when Richard Jensen thinks the summer heat of Utah would be too much for his (Richard's) aging frame. (Seriously, I was invited, but declined.)

Hey, on another front, here's what I find as far as who MadBolter is:
madbolter1: the original handle for Richard Jensen
madboiter1: the new handle for Richard Jensen. (Based on a phone call I had with Richard tonight, the Taco seems to post some of Richard's stuff under one name, and some under the other. Richard has no control on which name will come up when he posts. Maybe Spurrier can help figure this out.)
madbolteri: a self-acknowledged troll mimicking madbolter1. The "i" is displayed in upper case, making it look like a "1".

New Zealand
May 21, 2012 - 03:11am PT
I've tried to read Ulysses a couple of times, and been shut down in a state of total confusion. I'm now reminded of how that felt.

May 21, 2012 - 03:31am PT
Basically, the guy who is pretending to be OP Richard Jensen is in fact OP Richard Jensen.

He's trolled HIMSELF.
Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
May 21, 2012 - 11:13am PT
Over 50 and a job... dang, that sucks!


Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
May 21, 2012 - 09:12pm PT
Tada... I'm back as the real madbolter1. Don't know what happened. Same login, but now I'm back. Sorry for the confusion, but NOT, repeat (all caps) NOT my fault! OKAY?


Enough caps for y'all now?

Anyway, MANY new pics on the blog. First two pitches up and cleaned, and I took the time (solo) to set up for many pics and video clips to document all I've found. I've got peckers IN trenched head holes (good seams in the back... no need to trench). I've got bashies less than 18 inches apart. I've got DRILLED ANGLES fore and aft of the hook anchor. I've got very enhanced hook placements at the hook anchor. It goes on and on. Photo proof of one of the great botches in climbing history, and the lead goofball said, "The rating is not a proposal. This is harder than Intifada, which was A6. So, the route is A6+."

NOT "harder than Intifada," even with all the conniving to manufacture a rating! And Intifada wasn't considered A6 for well more than a decade before these guys did "Look Out! Danger!"

Looking up at the thing almost a year ago, I actually expected some seriously hard climbing... not A6, of course, but perhaps A5. I honestly can't believe the levels of absurdity these guys went to in order to manufacture a rating (and ego pump). And what they did to the rock would be unbelievable without the pics. Sad, so sad.

I'll go up another pitch (also rated A5) and see if the absurdity continues. I'm not committing yet to going further or bailing. I'm just taking this one day at a time.

Oh, and, PLEASE... no ponies! But thanks for the well-wishes.

May 21, 2012 - 09:31pm PT
HAHAHA! All right, bud. No ponies, I Pinkie Pie promise.
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