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LilaBiene
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Original Post - May 9, 2012 - 11:20pm PT
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If you could only say one thing or tell one story about Bill "Dolt" Feuerer to his daughter (who only learned he was her birth father some 2 months ago), what would you want her to know?
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Bldrjac
Ice climber
Boulder
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Well, my late husband Jack Roberts had HUGE respect for him. I never knew him, but only ever heard that he was "amazing." I wish i had more to tell you......Jack used to talk about him over the years, and I know he respected and admired "dolt." He has some dolt hangers about the house...I'd have to dig around. I'm sorry you had to just find this out, but I hope it is also something you find great growth in. My heart to you.
Pam roberts
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nature
climber
CO
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some of us are too young to have a direct connection to him or his hardware contribution to climbing.
that said, his logo is awesome and makes for a great shirt.
wearing said shirt folks have been known to do weird things.
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LilaBiene
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - May 9, 2012 - 11:38pm PT
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Nature, that is one COOL picture!!! Big grin!
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
merced, california
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Two cents from a cheap guy.
Bill's my "idolt."
I had a several jobs in Merced.
Dolt had one here, too.
Bill F. had a gig at the SAC base here, too, from what I have learned. No light on the subject.
It is natural, I suppose, that his proximity to Yosemite led to his strange affliction, rock climbing, as did mine. I speak of rock climbing, of course. :)
As my password to the Barnes and Noble database at B Dalton on the Merced Mall, I chose the immortal "dolt." Nobody asked why. It was none of their business. But I'm proud of that little factoid.
I never understood why his blue boots never flew. They sure cost enough! At least twenty at the Yosemite Mtn. Shop. Floyd Turner bought a pair, changed the laces for bright red Galibier laces. What a Dolt!
He coulda got Lowa cheapah!
Bill earns his wings daily for all the humor he has provided at his expense. Perhaps his greatest legacy is mostly just that. Think Cyrano. What's the big deal with a nose? We all have one. We all aren't Dolts.
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Bob Culp
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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I never knew Bill. Only spoke to him once on the telephone, but that conversation left a lasting impression.
I had just started a little climbing shop and ordered some Dolt gear. It arrived in the mail instantly and customers marveled at how meticulously crafted it was - as much works of art as climbing gear.
One day the phone rang and the caller identified himself as Bill Feuerer. I must have hesitated because he quickly added - the Dolt.
He said he was calling his dealers to see how his gear was received. Of course I told him people thought it was amazing. He sounded pleased and talked a bit about how it was almost a passion of his to create exceptional things. I told him that was evident.
The conversation turned to climbing and he said he had been out of it lately, but was getting the urge to get back into it. He mentioned he was thinking about taking a road trip, visiting his dealers, and doing some climbing. We made plans to get together when he was in Boulder and visit Eldorado Canyon and do some classic climbs together. He sounded very enthusiastic and ended with a "talk to you soon".
Sadly that was the last I heard from him.
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guido
Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
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My dream catalogs in 1959 and 60
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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May 10, 2012 - 12:01am PT
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Dolt's Yosemite Valley First Ascents
The Footstool, Right Side 1959, Mark Powell, Beverly Powell, Bill Feuerer
North Buttress, Lower Cathedral Rock 1957, Mark Powell, Bill Feuerer
Overhang Route 1935, Dick Leonard, Doris Leonard, Bestor Robinson; FFA, 1956 Mark Powell, Bill Feuerer
Penny Pinnacle, East Arete 1959, Mark Powell, Bill Feuerer
Rixon's Pinnacle, West Face 1959, Tom Frost, Bill Feuerer FFA 1971, Pat Ament
Arrowhead Arete 1956, Mark Powell, Bill Feuerer
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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May 10, 2012 - 12:09am PT
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Great scans, Guido.
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MH2
climber
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May 10, 2012 - 12:09am PT
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For an enigma he was widely known. I used one of his holsters in the piton era, still have it and it seems indestructible.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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May 10, 2012 - 12:21am PT
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If you'd like some Dolt hangers from the early 70's I have three from a rebolting project.
I'd be happy to send them to you (email me via SuperTopo email)
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
merced, california
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May 10, 2012 - 12:25am PT
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Guido,
I was simply going to say I liked the photos of white-clad 50s-era SoCal climbers.
Then I got to thinking of how I viewed the climber of the era as opposed to what were your "dreams" of the same personality. It is an age thing, (a difference of at least ten-plus) but also a LA/Merced thing ("current" in Merced is always last year, and used to be lots longer).
I tuned to the Larry's suggestion of pics to be seen at another Topic and see exactly my mental image of the late 50s stylist, wearing a dark green Tyrolean-style hat atop Totem Pole. Handsome, jah?
Ed, I think it is interesting that Dolt and Powell climbed the Arrowhead Arete together. It is unquestionably Dolt's highest-quality FA and except for "the arguable few that are best," one of Powell's best, as well.
Is there any information on Bill's MOS? I'm betting machinist or resident mystic tinker.
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guido
Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
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May 10, 2012 - 12:37am PT
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So Cal gang had a great affinity for wearing 2nd hand long sleeve white dress shirts, which was actually quite practical with hot weather and intense sun. For Chouinard, Frost, Daley .............it was the Tog de Jour. Apparently there was a 2nd hand store called Granny Grundies(sic) in the San Fernando Valley? which was the main source.
It soon caught on for the Northern crowd and Roper, Naylor and others picked up the fad. Of course Chuck Ostin would always be dressed in white.
Rather stylish you must admit for a clan of climbing bums.
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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May 10, 2012 - 12:42am PT
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What's her age?
The answer depends on that, I think.
In general, it seems hard to convey the man with a single fact.
He did multiple things, some very well, and other not so well (such as his "failed attempts at matrimony").
We are all like that to some extent.
Trying to have a variety of accomplishments or experiences in life, and coming up short in some of them.
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LilaBiene
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - May 10, 2012 - 12:47am PT
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I'm 42 and I have a really good sense of humor...does that help? ;D
Guido: I love the catalog scans -- I can only imagine how much fun it must have been picking up the latest at that time.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
merced, california
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May 10, 2012 - 12:57am PT
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Which goes to show my poor judgment in choosing Frost as my model. His iconic photo at the Roof on the Salathe caused me to invest in several pairs of long-sleeves, white. I used one shirt one time, and have a photo of that one instance, which Millis took on MCR. The tee shirt is more suitable to following on a wall, and you just end up rolling the damn long sleeves up anyway. And cuff-links are such a pain.
Any Dolt cuff-links out there? You never know. $$$$
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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May 10, 2012 - 01:09am PT
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Kudos for the generous offer, Ed. I noticed Chessler's has some Dolt items for as much as $1500.00 each.
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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May 10, 2012 - 02:36am PT
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Guido,
Is that last picture taken at Mt Pacifico? kinda looks like the main wall there or one of the little slots behind the main wall.
Lila,
I read your story and was very touched, welcome to Supertopo.
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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May 10, 2012 - 03:15am PT
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Oops, sorry, I misread and thought you meant "your daughter".
The story I like best is how he got his nickname, Dolt.
He did an aggressive step into an aider, but hadn't realized that it was clipped to his waist.
So he plunged twenty feet earthward....
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=727870&tn=20
The story about when he retreated from the Nose in very bad conditions (snow) and nearly didn't get to the ground is pretty sobering.
It was a lot harder to get down in those days with the old style ropes and rappel techniques.
I think he realized the risk after that and understood his limitations better.
But it was probably a source of frustration that he had put a lot of work and effort into the Nose first ascent and didn't end up on the final team.
Many other very good climbers also were on the team at various times, though, and didn't summit, either.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
merced, california
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May 10, 2012 - 03:53am PT
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Guido is the Katalog King!
I have an '84 Mammut which is missing the staples. What'll you take along with it?
And I don't have one, but am seeking a copy of the 1970 Tuolumne Sporting Goods featuring the Merry-Mathis-Pritchett Trans-Sierra Expedition. Seen one?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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May 10, 2012 - 04:05am PT
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I would tell you that he was a curious inventor, who happened to love the outdoors and climbing big rocks.
Surely you've read of the Dolt cart?
Hey, why do you keep asking questions about your dad?.... :0)
He liked breasts. ( . )( . )
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LilaBiene
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - May 10, 2012 - 08:18am PT
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Survivor: HA! Irreverance! I'm LMAO!! Great way to start the day. Thank you.
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LilaBiene
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - May 10, 2012 - 08:26am PT
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Clint: the first time I read the story about him taking a header cemented for me that we were related...pretty hilarious that a quality such as that is actually heritable. Now I'll have to remind friends that instead of pulling an "Odd", I'm actually pulling a "Dolt"!
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dee ee
Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
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May 10, 2012 - 01:00pm PT
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Lila, one of my dads friends (Paul Cooley) who knew Dolt gave me this poster in 1968. I was 11 yrs old and already obsessed with climbing. I still have it.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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May 10, 2012 - 01:02pm PT
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The story I like best is how he got his nickname, Dolt. He did an aggressive step into an aider, but hadn't realized that it was clipped to his waist. So he plunged twenty feet earthward....
Aren't all climbers Dolts, at some time or other?
Bravo to Ed, for offering to donate some Dolt memorabilia to his daughter! Some things are beyond mere monetary value.
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Don Lauria
Trad climber
Bishop, CA
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May 10, 2012 - 03:50pm PT
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I'm looking through two slide boxes full of maybe 600 of Dolt's slides. As soon as I get them sorted, I'll post a few.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
merced, california
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May 10, 2012 - 04:30pm PT
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The iconic photo of "baseball hat guy" a. he was a.k. by Some Cox, was the one posted in the Yosemite Village Mtn. Shop. It was of BD on Traitor Horn at Tahquitz, a vintage fifties photo. What is it with that climb, I hate to think it's just me, but I was never sure of myself on it. At first I thought, "How will I live with this?" But I came to realize it was not important. I would manage if I accepted that we can't control everything. That was a valuable lesson. Donini may even have learned it by now.
Lila, see what I mean about the appeal of Bill's dark side to humor? The yin and yang of up and down, in and out, real and unreal, Colorado and California, the triste and the profane. "To dolt or not to dolt," that is the question. Where's the fun in crying? In the watching of it.
If you tire of watching climbers not buying your stuff, go watch some Baywatch is what I would have told Bill. After all, he liked his parentheses and periods. (.)(.)(.) Lets not get carried away, though. But Pam Anderson "has done berry berry good for me."
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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May 10, 2012 - 04:58pm PT
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lila, i hope you get by now, that your dad (we defer) has been the subject of intrigue and respect for a great many of us for a long time. as such we are thrilled to welcome you into our admiration society. it's fun to share an enigma, and prompting the ones that knew him well to spill the goods makes us "cohorts of sorts."
it's pretty cool to ride on your coat tails of authority into the heart of the mystery.
early indications are that you are satisfyingly forthcoming, therefore we revel.
as for my slight connection ... i failed to collect any hardware, but i rolled around five of the islands of hawaii on a bicycle one whole winter with my sleeping gear stuffed in a soft luggage bag atop the panniers. proudly displaying the dolt label, ready to engage any challengers ... but alas, the locals were pretty laid back, just not the prying type
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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May 10, 2012 - 05:40pm PT
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LilaBiene:
Met and talked with him numerous times since I lived in the area or not too far away.
Man was a genius as well as being ahead of his time. Somehow we got on the subject of Nam and since I was a Vet, he was I think the fourth or fifth person ever to say Thank You. Met a lot back then.
Been so long but had some good discussions other than just climbing.
Picture is the back of one of his t-shirts; the front, sleeves were pretty much torn through the years, one of those that had to be thrown away. Had too much respect for the guy so cut the back off and had someone sow it into a sweat shirt.
Have to look back to earlier post, maybe you have seen it but pictures of his equipment.
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LilaBiene
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - May 10, 2012 - 09:43pm PT
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Mouse: Now cufflinks are a cool idea...I'll have to think about how to go about making some. ")
Don: Thank you. I know Dolt meant an awful lot to you. I was so sorry to hear about Tom. You have had more than your fair share of loss.
Lostinshanghai: Your sweatshirt is beautiful, as are the thoughts that you shared.
dee ee: I don't know if you know this, but it was your post in the "Dolt Stories" thread that led me to finding Bill. If you had not posted about your parents knowing Bill through the UCLA Mountaineers, I never would have found him. (I wrote about finding him in another thread "Speaking of statistical improbabilities" - at least I think that's what I called it!) You performed some serious magic in my life, and I will be forever grateful.
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dee ee
Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
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May 10, 2012 - 10:54pm PT
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I am honored!
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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May 10, 2012 - 11:37pm PT
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Batrock is right. That back cover of the Dolt Hut catalog is at Pacifico Rocks in the San Gabriel mountains. It's a beautiful little climbing area that was popular with the LA climbing gang in the 1950's. Royal used it in his book Advanced Rockcraft on page 91.
If you ever come to Los Angeles to visit your Pop's old stomping grounds, you should have one of us take you there. It's a hike and a scramble to get there these days. Used to be able to drive up real close.
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guido
Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
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May 10, 2012 - 11:43pm PT
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Thanks Spider, I have been looking thru the scans of the catalog and can't seem to find the caption but I do recollect someone in the past made the same comment on ST about the photo. The climber? Harry Daley? Kamps? Rearick? Bonnie are you out there?
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BooDawg
Social climber
Butterfly Town
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May 11, 2012 - 03:28am PT
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Hi Lila,
I have some Dolt hangers and "bashies" and perhaps some other items to add to the Dolt piton for you to hold in trust for YCA. I'll clean up and photograph
the DoltPeg before I send it to you. Check your email.
Guido, Bonnie's here I think. She sent me a private email about their time at UCLA.
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LilaBiene
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - May 11, 2012 - 05:10pm PT
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Spider: Be careful what you offer, I may take you up on it!
Heading west in October for sure (maybe even Sept., too, but still trying to work that out) and have just started trying to figure out the logistics of how to manage seeing and visiting all of the people and places that are sparking my curiousity...do you happen to know how to fit 48 hours into a mere 24? Who needs sleep anyway? (Also a heritable trait, I understand...)
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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May 11, 2012 - 06:04pm PT
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Lila, you should consider coming to the Yosemite FaceLift, from September 25th - 30th. It's great fun, and many Yosemite regulars and old-timers are there. (If they knew you were coming, they might make an effort.) It is something of a social event, and a chance to connect and reconnect with people. Plus seems the right sort of place for you to meet your father's friends.
There's information about the Yosemite Climbing Association (Ken Y's organization) and past FaceLifts at http://www.yosemiteclimbing.org/ It includes free camping for those who sign up in advance, in Camp 4, Yellow Pine, or other campgrounds - contact Ken, although arrangements aren't announced yet.
It's far from all work and no play, and you wouldn't have any difficulty arranging to meet people, before, during and after. IIRC, people like Rodger R, Ken B, Joe Mc, Royal R, Tom F and others from Yosemite and the 1960s have been at past FaceLifts.
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LilaBiene
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - May 11, 2012 - 07:34pm PT
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MH: Aaaaah, ya busted me! I'm trying to figure out the logistics to make it to both the face lift and Steve Grossman's event Oct. 26th-28th. Just hadn't said anything about the face lift yet because I'm trying to figure out whether I can manage a nice month-long trip (heaven!) without having to work some in between. ")
Since you called me out, I guess I'd better get my act together!
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LilaBiene
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - May 17, 2012 - 12:11am PT
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Flights booked for the Face Lift in September...woohoo!
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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May 17, 2012 - 01:26am PT
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OK, how are you getting from the airport to the Valley? Rental? Yosemite Area Rapid Transit System? (Efficient, economical buses from train and bus stations and airport, right to the Valley - 200 m from Camp 4.) If you need a ride, there may be possibilities, depending on day and time. Lots of people come up from Modesto and Merced areas, and Sacramento.
It should be possible to arrange for someone to meet you in the Valley, if needed, and show you around.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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May 17, 2012 - 10:23am PT
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Lila could likely use some beta on driving a rental car to the Valley and what to do with it.
Hopefully the word is out to those that knew Dolt, and they will make a special effort to be there.
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LilaBiene
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - May 17, 2012 - 07:07pm PT
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PR: What to do with the car? Shoot...I was planning to use it to keep the bears at bay... (kidding, of course). Appreciate your thoughtful message.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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May 17, 2012 - 09:09pm PT
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LilaBiene:
Photo of some your dad’s equipment, in the back with the red box is plated key-hole hanger he invented,
A better photo of it is here:
Can’t recall when but your dad shared/gave some of his stuff to me: first row and back row.
As for the key-hole hanger plated ones; can use it for key chain or make it into a necklace with beaded or other ornament. Earring?
Just require shipping and handling: $1,000.00 US funds, check, credit card or Pay Pal account.
Lostinshanghai
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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May 17, 2012 - 09:17pm PT
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Just teasing since I have a few more would be an honour for me to give it to you in person at Facelift. So look for an e-mail from me and will figure out details.
Then again still a few months away and assuming I will be here in the US, my schedule prior to Facelift might put me somewhere else, if that is the case will mail it. But still would be nice to meet you, your dad was pretty cool.
Since I am brain-dead or close to it, “memory” since been so long ago can’t remember what we talked about just know he was a fun guy and had some nice conversations together.
Lostinshanghai
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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May 17, 2012 - 10:01pm PT
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Lila, I never knew a single thing about my birth parents till I was 35 and the process was indescribably strange for me, but fascinating. I hope your expedition is a fun one. You look like a generous soul.
JL
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LilaBiene
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - May 17, 2012 - 10:50pm PT
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lostinshanghai: Hey, wow, those are some beautiful pictures, and thank you for sharing your memories. Each recollection gives me something to "hold" in my heart, and to pass along to my daughter. I know so little, but every day I learn something more. It's really wonderful. Hope to see you at the Face Lift!
Largo: I think you're description is spot on. At times I feel like a moth flitting around a light bulb -- irresistibly drawn in, but unable to land.
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MAD BOLTER
Trad climber
CARLSBAD,NM
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May 18, 2012 - 03:27pm PT
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LILA: I USED TO REFER TO MYSELF AS THE "REBOLTING DOLTER" CONSIDERING THAT i USED THE CHROME-PLATED DOLT HANGERS WHEN RE-SETTING ANCHORS. BILL DOLT MENTIONED TO ME ABOUT MAKING THE NOSE RAPPEL ROUTE AS A DESCENT-ESCAPE PATH AFTER I TOLD HIM OF MY FIRST RAP OF THE NOSE SEPT 1969. I DID USE MOSTLY THE DOLT HANGERS ON THAT ROUTE, BUT THEY HAVE BEEN REPLACED WITH MODERN STAINLESS HANGERS BYVARIOUS OTHER CLIMBERS. I HAVE ONE OF THE 3/8" WHITE COLUMBIA NYLON ROPES HE GAVE ME TO DO THE ESCAPE ROUTE.
i PLAN TO BE IN YNP AUG15 TO OCT5 +/_ EMAIL TO REACH ME:ZDOLDTT69TR05@DELLCITY.COM THERE ARE MANY MORE THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU, MY TYPING IS OLD SCHOOL SLOW ETC.. I USE LARGE LETTERS TO SEE BETTER
PS:"I'M NOT SHOUTING"
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LilaBiene
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - May 18, 2012 - 08:23pm PT
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Mad Bolter:
THANKS SO MUCH FOR YOUR THOUGHTFUL POST, AND I'M REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO MEETING YOU AT THE FACE LIFT.
JUST READ YOUR WRITE-UPS OF THE TWO EL CAP DESCENTS - WOW!
WILL SEND A FOLLOW-UP MESSAGE TO YOUR PRIVATE ADDRESS.
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LilaBiene
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 18, 2012 - 09:32pm PT
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I wanted to write something yesterday in celebration of it being the first Father's Day on which I knew who my birth father was...I tried, and failed.
Yesterday, I learned that Bill made more than one call that last Christmas Eve. For reasons beyond my own comprehension right now, this crushed me. Reality can do that when it sneaks up on you, I suppose, and I guess I still have a long way to go in accepting things as they are. And that's okay.
But I didn't want another day to go by without thanking the man who gave me life, a self-deprecating (if not strange) sense of humor, "McGuyver-ness", the ability to perceive things others don't, the inability to think inside the box (or sit still -- ha!), a kinesthetic relationship to the world, intensity, creativity and the insatiable desires to solve problems and keep learning every day.
It breaks my heart that you were so sad...but I understand and hope that you are somewhere at peace. For you...
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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BooDawg
Social climber
Butterfly Town
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Jun 19, 2012 - 01:33am PT
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Thanks, Lila, for sharing your thoughts and feelings about this Father's Day.
Thank you, as well, for sharing that video and the lyrics. Perhaps I know you a tad better now.
Looking forward to meeting you in Sept.-Oct.
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Jun 19, 2012 - 04:07pm PT
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Lila,
It seems he wanted to be more than just a biological father, but couldn't manage to transform the situation to make that work.
It's like that line from the poem in "Knights in White Satin" -
"A lonely man cries out for love and has none."
Of course it's going to be sad when you think about a man who had good potential but couldn't reach his dreams.
And of course it left you without a "normal" nuclear family as well, but hopefully your adoptive parents raised you with love and care, and gave you the foundation for a good life.
There are many tragic figures in the past, and we can't go back to help them now.
At least "the Dolt" worked hard and reached for his dreams - he tried hard and made some good stuff.
As for the realities of economics, Chouinard was already established as the provider of "high end" climbing gear, and climbers did not have a lot of spare cash to spend.
Plus he was unlucky on timing - his version of the Lost Arrows came out just before climbers started making the transition to using nuts, so the Doltpegs became outdated too quickly (some were converted to nut tools).
And his nuts missed the big innovation to Stoppers and large light hexes where Chouinard took control of that new market.
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LilaBiene
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 21, 2012 - 10:53pm PT
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Hey Clint, I sincerely appreciate your candor, and you've given me many insightful observations that I am still processing on a number of levels. Good stuff. Thank you.
Aloha, BooDawg!
I'm back to my feisty self and am looking forward to cracking open a book on knots, of all things?! Never say never...though it may just be the first "user's manual" I ever actually read. (Counting on a number of them carrying over from spending time on the water, or I'm in real trouble.) I read Ax Nelson's "Climbing the Lost Arrow" on my commute this morning -- so good I may just read it again tomorrow morning. Will send more "Miseries" along this weekend!
Edit: I don't believe Bill's life truly ended in 1971, because I'm still here, and, boy, do I know that I am "my father's daughter"(for better or for worse, and perfectly imperfect). For as long as I can remember, I've felt like there was something that I was meant to do -- I just didn't have the slightest clue where it was coming from. Now I know (where it was coming from, that is). :D
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LilaBiene
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 7, 2012 - 06:20pm PT
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Hope y'all will indulge me as I'm trying to work through this...altered state of consciousness. I'm consciously trying not to make sense out of any of it and unconsciously failing miserably. Music having saved my tail during pretty much every other crisis of consciousness in my life thus far, I offer this up to the great Void...
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Not to worry; I'm not trying to fix anything. Just riding out the wave...
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LilaBiene
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 26, 2012 - 11:47pm PT
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Last one...I promise. Just need to bring the circle back around to something good...
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'Must be somebody up above sayin' come on, baby girl, ya gotta get back up!
Ya gotta hooooooooold oooooooooooon...
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zBrown
Ice climber
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May 31, 2019 - 01:34pm PT
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bump for neebee
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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May 31, 2019 - 01:45pm PT
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hey there, say, zbrown...
thank you so very very kindly!!!
thank you!!!!
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