Exodus to the Eastside - Manzana concentration camp


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Trad climber
Jan 14, 2013 - 01:28pm PT
Hi Eric,

Following your suggestion - I read the Reathorization for 2012 - it specifies Americans who are in the Taliban or Al Queda, or engaged in beligerent fights against US forces. Is this the clause you are talking about? (from Wikipedia)

The detention sections of the NDAA begin by "affirm[ing]" that the authority of the President under the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists (AUMF), a joint resolution passed in the immediate aftermath of the September 11, 2001 attacks, includes the power to detain, via the Armed Forces, any person (including U.S. citizens "who was part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners", and anyone who commits a "belligerent act" against the U.S. or its coalition allies in aid of such enemy forces, under the law of war, "without trial, until the end of the hostilities authorized by the [AUMF]". The text authorizes trial by military tribunal, or "transfer to the custody or control of the person's country of origin", or transfer to "any other foreign country, or any other foreign entity".

I found in another place that the 2013 version is being modified to discuss habeas corpus..
Jim Clipper

from: forests to tree farms
Jan 14, 2013 - 01:36pm PT
okage ...

Flank of the Big Horns
Sep 23, 2014 - 11:00pm PT
I had the privilege of attending a lecture by Sam Mihara tonight. He was 9 when he was shipped off to the Heart Mountain camp in Wyoming.

Very moving and a poignant reminder of what it is to be an American and how fragile our freedom and liberty really is.

Go see him if you get a chance, he isn't getting younger.

More info with lecture schedule here:
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Sep 23, 2014 - 11:39pm PT
My grandparents (British) were arrested in Malaysia and put in an internment camp in Japan for the entire war. My father was a young man and was sent to England before they were taken.

My father was extremely progressive. We moved to Texas in the 60s and I remember him going off on people for using the N word, was acceptable language in Texas back then. But he did carry a chip on his shoulder about the Japanese for his whole life. He kept it to himself until dementia set in, it got ugly sometimes. Dad lived to see reparations paid to Japanese Americans, I know it was a tough pill for him to swallow, his family lost everything.

But he was a good man and he knew not to pass the hate on. For that I am grateful.

RIP dad, we understand.

Mountain climber
Sep 24, 2014 - 07:56am PT
Camp Antelope CPS #37 for conscientous objectors was established in 1942 at Coleville on Hwy.395 and the West Walker River . The founders of the Pacifica Foundation which started Berkeley's KPFA were interned there.The camp was closed in 1946.

Trad climber
Sep 24, 2014 - 08:11am PT
I work for the Los Angeles City Fire Department, and have for the past 27 years. While working at a station in East Los Angeles my captain at the time was Japanese and while getting to know him I found out that his father and grandparents were interned at Manzanar. He described stories his father and grandfather told him as a child about living in the camp. His father was very young and described being in the camp like being at camp and a big adventure and actually had fond memories of Manzanar. His grandfather however had memories that were not as pleasant. His grandfather lost his home and business and it turned his life upside down. My captain told me his grandfather never spoke ill of the experience though he knew his grandfather was deeply affected by it. His grandfather instead chose to tell stories of "sneaking out" of the camp and heading into the Sierra's to fish for days at a time. He said the guards would simply look the other way and knew what was going on and that they would be back in a few days.

I was always impressed with how little resentment his father and grandfather had and how quickly they rebuilt their lives back in San Pedro after their release. My captain always brings his kids to Manzanar on their way to the Sierra's on their annual fishing trips to remind his kids what their grandparents and great grandparents went through.
Fat Dad

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Los Angeles, CA
Sep 24, 2014 - 01:25pm PT
Some mentioned Fred Korematus upthread. As an interesting and sad footnote to the internments camps is that prior to the deportations, the U.S. Supreme court in the Korematsu and Kobayashi decisions determined that Japanese Americans did not pose a threat to the war effort.

Sep 24, 2014 - 01:40pm PT
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