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Bargainhunter

climber
Topic Author's Original Post - Apr 27, 2012 - 02:42pm PT
http://framework.latimes.com/2012/04/27/japanese-internment-manzanar/#/11

For those who haven't visited, it's worth it. Know your history.

Edit: Subject should read "Manzanar", apologies for the typo.
khanom

Trad climber
The Dessert
Apr 27, 2012 - 02:51pm PT
The visitor's center is excellent. I've seen from the road the new buildings they've built, which seems worth checking out also.

There is, however, one huge problem with the rather interesting gallery at the LA Times: They refer to the internees as "Japanese". The whole point is that most were not Japanese nationals, but Japanese Americans. It may seem trivial, but there is a huge difference.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 27, 2012 - 03:10pm PT
The exhibit in the Independence museum is much smaller, but much more personal.

Liked it better.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Apr 27, 2012 - 03:25pm PT
Manzanar is a powerful place. Haven't been to the museum, but the feeling of walking the area where so many people lived and were interned is unique. There were still tiny remnants of the presence of these people, and signs of continued homage to those who lived or died there.

Yes, they were Japanese Americans. We did this to our own citizens. We've been on a slippery slope in the same direction for a while now. It's humbling and scary.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Apr 27, 2012 - 03:38pm PT
I've been to Manzanar many times. Seen the new museum and the new buildings. Taken many photographs. Very important for everyone to understand what happened here and else where in the USA at that time.

The museum is excellent. They do a great job in presenting our Constitution and Bill of Rights and the absolute need to protect them.

I've talked to several of the NPS employees there and thanked them for doing such a great job. I asked one female NP Ranger "How did you all get away with talking truth to power in this NPS museum here? I mean your a US Federal agency being critical of the US Gov. How can you do this?" At the time Bush 2 was in office and "The Unpatriot Act" was in full swing. She said as long as its the truth and we can back it up, then there isn't a problem in doing so.

You got to go and see it. This could happen again if we are not vigilant and stand-up to the erosion of our Constitution and Bill of Rights. (Well, it is happening already.)

Its not just a piece of paper as Bush 2 would have you believe, it is what this country was founded on. Without our hard earned and fought for protections that we have through our Constitution and Bill of Rights as US Citizens, then were just another fly-by night Banana Republic of a country.




By the way, several American Japanese prisoners worked out a way to get out of the Manzanar (concentration) Camp and go fishing in the Sierras and then would get back in before being discovered. I would like to read a book on all those adventures of hope.









nutjob

Gym climber
Berkeley, CA
Apr 27, 2012 - 03:40pm PT
From the parking lot at Manzanar:
David Plotnikoff

Mountain climber
Emerald Hills, CA
Apr 27, 2012 - 08:45pm PT
There IS an excellent story of the Manzanar fishermen. But it's not a book. It's a documentary film making the rounds. If you're in the LA area, you may be able to find a screening by looking at the Manzanar Fishing Club Web site. It hasn't been up to the Bay Area as of yet. Pretty amazing story. And probably the sweetest trout they ever ate.
QITNL

climber
Apr 27, 2012 - 08:55pm PT
Bitchin! Thanks for the heads up!!!!

http://www.fearnotrout.com/showtimes.php

Opening May 4, 2012
Regency South Coast Village - Costa Mesa
Landmark Embarcadero - San Francisco
Landmark Shattuck Cinemas - Berkeley
Landmark Aquarius - Palo Alto
(May 18, 2012) Laemmle's Playhouse 7 - Pasadena
(June 1, 2012) Landmark Varsity - Seattle

Click on the link for show dates and tickets.

Here's another cool link:
Ansel Adamsís Photographs of Japanese-American Internment at Manzanar
http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/collections/anseladams/aamsp.html
bajaandy

climber
Escondido, CA
Apr 27, 2012 - 08:58pm PT
Film is called "THE MANZANAR FISHING CLUB" and is about more than just the men who would sneak out of the camp to fish. I met the film maker a few years back at a fishing show. Watched part of the movie trailers and realized I was looking at the Williamson Lakes basin. When I introduced myself and got to talking with Cory Shiozaki (the filmmaker) and told him I'd been there and would be going back, he asked if I would do some stills and film. The timing never worked out to get any of my stuff in the film, but I did get to go back and talk with Cory again after the release of the film and confirm some fishing lore about the area. If you wanna check out the trailer, it's here: http://www.fearnotrout.com/
squishy

Mountain climber
Apr 27, 2012 - 10:48pm PT
Thanks for this post, I love this kind of stuff...
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 27, 2012 - 10:57pm PT
I though the main Manzanar exhibit to be your predictable Federal over the top exhibit.

Drive around back.

Visit the cemetery.





The exhibit in the museum at Independence has a bunch of personal artifacts, artwork and writing.

I commented to a docent on the way out that I thought their collection much better than what the feds had.

She just smiled and said.

We were here first.

QITNL

climber
Jan 14, 2013 - 01:16am PT
For everyone honking about their Bill of Rights: Fred Korematsu Day is on January 30th



http://korematsuinstitute.org/fredkorematsuday/fred-korematsu-day-events/fred-korematsu-day-2013-season-events/fred-korematsu-day-heroes-celebration/
Gary

Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
Jan 14, 2013 - 10:02am PT
Spent a nice day there wondering the grounds. Found old shards of china, and the remains of some gardens. It's a powerful place.
can't say

Social climber
Pasadena CA
Jan 14, 2013 - 10:40am PT
Too add insult to the obvious injury of being forcibly thrown into prison, what the government did with their property is a painful part of the of this whole sordid affair. When FDR signed Executive Order #9066 (you can do a lot without Congressional approval) he knowingly sided based on economic and racial prejudices so rampant in American society at that time.

The people who were mainly responsible for instigating this black mark on American history are the same folks who brought you the Chinese Exclusionary Act of 1882. They were California farmers and fishermen who felt threatened by the success and competition the Japanese presented. Like the Chinese in the mid 1800's who came here to work on the railroads, the Japanese were the next obvious target for racial exclusion

" Large numbers went to Hawaii and to the West Coast. In 1907, the "Gentlemen's Agreement" between the governments of Japan and the U.S. ended immigration of Japanese unskilled workers, but permitted the immigration of businessmen, students and spouses of Japanese immigrants already in the U.S. The Immigration Act of 1924 banned the immigration of nearly all Japanese."

You have to wonder why the folks of German and Italian heritage never got that same treatment in WWII, whereas in WWI they were the one's singled out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment#Non-military_advocates_for_exclusion.2C_removal.2C_and_detention
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jan 14, 2013 - 12:14pm PT
Read Prisoners Without Trials by Roger Daniels.

Written 8 years before 9-11 he asks if it can happen again.



I just reread Executive Order #9066. What ambiguous doublespeak!
Shameful.

I noticed in the appendix that the first resident of Manzanar arrived 6/1/42 but that they reached their peak population of 10,046 0n 9/22/42

Utah held nearly as many at Topaz, but everything was torn down and now there is barely more than a plaque.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 14, 2013 - 12:40pm PT


Photos from the museum exhibits:

Credit: Reilly

Sadao Munemuri
Sadao Munemuri
Credit: Reilly

Sadao's mother's banner
Sadao's mother's banner
Credit: Reilly

Credit: Reilly


Credit: Reilly

Credit: Reilly

Now that is saying something.
Now that is saying something.
Credit: Reilly

Credit: Reilly

Credit: Reilly

The few remaining graves...
Credit: Reilly

Credit: Reilly

Credit: Reilly
Credit: Reilly

Origami mementos.  Notice the clam shell.
Origami mementos. Notice the clam shell.
Credit: Reilly


survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 14, 2013 - 12:42pm PT
Best thread going at the moment!!!
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 14, 2013 - 12:46pm PT
We had those east side internment camps as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_Canadian_internment


Just for good measure we stole all their fish boats , houses, cars..... You know, just so they got the message.
Eric Beck

Sport climber
Bishop, California
Jan 14, 2013 - 12:53pm PT
For those who think this can't recur, note that we have already taken a big first step. The National Defense Authorization Act has a provision permitting indefinite detention of Americans without trial. This provision was specifically requested by Obama.
Vegasclimber

Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
Jan 14, 2013 - 01:22pm PT
I read Farewell to Manzanar when I was in school in the Eastern Sierra, in Walker CA. After we read the book, we took a field trip to the camp. This was back in the 80s, and there wasn't much there other then the roads.

Last year, after our back country trip to Cottonwood Lakes, I took my fiancee to Manzanar. The visitors center and the recreated barracks buildings didn't exist when I was there last, and I felt that they did a good job of representing the people and the struggles that they endured.

Several months ago, I saw the play Allegiance at the Old Globe theater, which deals with the Japanese internment. Very strong story.
TomT

Trad climber
Aptos.
Jan 14, 2013 - 01:28pm PT
Hi Eric,

Following your suggestion - I read the Reathorization for 2012 - it specifies Americans who are in the Taliban or Al Queda, or engaged in beligerent fights against US forces. Is this the clause you are talking about? (from Wikipedia)

The detention sections of the NDAA begin by "affirm[ing]" that the authority of the President under the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists (AUMF), a joint resolution passed in the immediate aftermath of the September 11, 2001 attacks, includes the power to detain, via the Armed Forces, any person (including U.S. citizens "who was part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners", and anyone who commits a "belligerent act" against the U.S. or its coalition allies in aid of such enemy forces, under the law of war, "without trial, until the end of the hostilities authorized by the [AUMF]". The text authorizes trial by military tribunal, or "transfer to the custody or control of the person's country of origin", or transfer to "any other foreign country, or any other foreign entity".

I found in another place that the 2013 version is being modified to discuss habeas corpus..
Jim Clipper

climber
from: forests to tree farms
Jan 14, 2013 - 01:36pm PT
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