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Trad climber
LA, CA
Topic Author's Original Post - Apr 19, 2012 - 06:22pm PT
Anyone headed to Burning Man in Nevada this year is welcome to visit our camp Reincarnation and Penance on the playa at black rock city. You need to supply your own ticket. If you don't know anything about the festival read the first timers guide and survival guide and tickets page at http://www.burningman.com
Email playapatrol at gmail for more info not answered on that site.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Apr 19, 2012 - 06:25pm PT
Burning man was officially played out when they began limiting ticket sales.

Have fun though, it's a great two weeks if you help run your camp.
MBrown

Big Wall climber
The Eastside.... UUUUHHHHHHH!
Apr 19, 2012 - 07:02pm PT
Not looking like it going to happen for me this year but you never know!
squishy

Mountain climber
Aug 28, 2013 - 06:24pm PT
Not going to Burning Man?

Here's how to enjoy Burning Man from the comfort of your own home...


Pay an escort of your preference to not bathe for five days, cover
themselves in glitter, dust, and sunscreen, wear a skanky neon wig,
dance naked, then say they have a lover back home at the end of the
night.

Tear down your house. Put it in a truck. Drive 10 hours in any
direction. Put the house back together.

Invite everyone you meet to come over and party. When they leave,
follow them back to their homes, drink all their booze,
and break things.

Stack all your fans in one corner of the living room.
Put on your most fabulous outfit.
Turn the fans on full blast.
Dump a vacuum cleaner bag in front of them.

Buy a new set of expensive camping gear.
Break it.

Lean back in a chair until that point where you're just about to
fall over, but you catch yourself at the last moment.
Hold that position for 9 hours.

Only use the toilet in a house that is at least 3 blocks away.
Drain all the water from the toilet. Only flush it every 3 days.

Hide all the toilet paper.

Set your house thermostat so it's 50 degrees for the first hour
of sleep and 100 degrees the rest of the night.

Before eating any food, drop it in a sandbox and lick a battery.

Spend thousands of dollars and several months of your life building
a deeply personal art work. Hide it in a funhouse on the edge of
the city.
Hire people to come by and alternate saying "I love it" and "dude,
this sucks". Then burn it.

Set up a DJ system downwind of a three alarm fire. Play a short
loop of drum'n'bass until the embers are cold.

Make a list of all the things you'll do different next year.
Never look at it.

Have a 3 a.m. soul baring conversation with a drag nun in platforms,
a crocodile and Bugs Bunny. Be unable to tell if you're hallucinating.
Lust after Bugs Bunny.

Cut, burn, electrocute, bruise, and sunburn various parts of your body.
Forget how you did it. Don't go to a doctor.

"Downsize" last year's camp by adding two geodesic domes, a new sound
system, art car, and 20 newbies.

Don't sleep for 5 days. Take a wide variety of hallucinogenic/emotion
altering drugs. Pick a fight with your boyfriend/girlfriend, or both.

Spend a whole year rummaging through thrift stores for the perfect,
most outrageous costume. Forget to pack it.

Shop at Wal-mart, Cost-Co, and Home Depot until your car is completely
packed with stuff.
Tell everyone that you're going to a "Leave-No-Trace" event.
Empty your car into a dumpster.

Listen to music you hate for 168 hours straight, or until you
think you are going to scream. Scream.
Realize you'll love the music for the rest of your life.

Spend 5 months planning a "theme camp" like it's the
invasion of Normandy.
Spend Monday-Wednesday building the camp.
Spend Thurs-Sunday nowhere near camp because you're sick of it
or can't find it.

Walk around your neighborhood and knock on doors until someone
offers you cocktails and dinner.

Bust your ass for a "community." See all the attention get focused
on the drama queen crybaby.

Get so drunk you can't recognize your own house.
Walk slowly around the block for 5 hours.

Tell your boss you aren't coming to work this week but he should
"gift" you a paycheck anyway. When he refuses accuse him of not
loving the "community".

Search alleys until you find a couch so unbelievably tacky and
nasty filthy that a state college frat house wouldn't want it.
Take a nap on the couch and sleep like you are king of the world.

Ask your most annoying neighbor to interrupt your fun several
times a day with third hand gossip about every horrible thing
that's happened in the last 24 hours.
Have them wear khaki.

Go to a museum. Find one of Salvador Dali's more disturbing,
but beautiful paintings.
Climb inside it.
TwistedCrank

climber
Bungwater Hollow, Ida-ho
Aug 28, 2013 - 06:43pm PT
How close to the Bud Light tent will this be and how many beer tokens do I get with a complimentary ticket?
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
Aug 28, 2013 - 06:55pm PT
I nearly sh#t myself reading that, I wanted more.
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Aug 28, 2013 - 08:09pm PT
Squishy, I always wanted to know what burning man was all about. Thanks, as far as I can tell you nailed it. Thanks for the instructions, might do one next weekend, if I have stopped laughing that is.
FRUMY

Trad climber
Bishop,CA
Aug 28, 2013 - 08:16pm PT
The only thing Squishy left out was doing the fan & vacuum cleaner bag three times on hour.
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Aug 28, 2013 - 08:21pm PT
Squish.... +++++1000

BuddhaStalin

climber
Truckee, CA
Aug 28, 2013 - 08:33pm PT
Wow, squishy, youre a goddamn poet! The only thing I like about having burning man finally start is all the people are finally gone and out there so I dont have to listen to them go on and on about burning man anymore....and how we just 'dont know'. I okay with not knowing. Now all we have to do is make it through the damn decompression parties
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Aug 28, 2013 - 08:39pm PT
Really? Burning Man was pretty epic every year I went. I assembled our art car, a repurposed UPS van. It was sweet, a full on dragonfly. It wasn't hippies that built it, it was a bunch of redneck carpenters from Placerville/Tahoe. Mostly raft guides, but some climbers as well.

Burning Man isn't just coked out city folks, trust me. There are lots of country folks that build stuff as well.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 28, 2013 - 08:42pm PT
Put this on your wall and use it to meditate till the time is right. Then go climbing.
Clint Cummins

Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
Aug 28, 2013 - 08:44pm PT
The original list of 10 items (since expanded) dates back at least to 2001:
http://www.nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-0109/msg00149.html
squishy

Mountain climber
Aug 29, 2013 - 12:34pm PT
Yup, it's been growing and I saw it go by the other day, friggen hilarious!
squishy

Mountain climber
Aug 29, 2013 - 12:37pm PT
Squishy left out who it's attributed to. He originally posted with an attribute but has since edited that out. Why?

Because it was already a repost, I can't actually find the original source, I think this one has been passed around like a two bit WH%$#% for years...it has a life of it's own and I didn't want to give credit where it wasn't due, that was just the source my source quoted (false advertising)..
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Aug 29, 2013 - 12:57pm PT
ZOZOBRA!!






survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Aug 29, 2013 - 12:58pm PT
Thank god for Burning Man.

It gives all the new age nuts a BIG place to go.

Meanwhile, Zozobra goes on kicking humble New Mexico ass, just as it has for 85 years.

Burning Man is the overgrown poseur wannabe red headed step-child.


Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Aug 29, 2013 - 01:19pm PT
The best place to be for Burning Man is San Francisco or Seattle. The hipster trenders will all be out in the desert then.
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Aug 29, 2013 - 01:36pm PT
It's a place where you can be totally free to be yourself.

Where you are somehow free of judgement because you are excused on account of art.

The harshest judgement comes from within your own mind, the "face inside."

I have a dream: A world that just like the ideal Burning Man, yet free of the carnivores that prey on the souls of living beings.


[Click to View YouTube Video]
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Aug 29, 2013 - 10:52pm PT
I've been seeing Zozobra since about 1962

But after seeing this vid I still want to go to BM someday

[Click to View YouTube Video]
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Aug 29, 2013 - 11:58pm PT
That vid made me want to BM to...
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Aug 30, 2013 - 02:19am PT
profit...lol

What do you think BM is all about?

Some Random Guy

climber
Aug 30, 2013 - 11:01am PT
Not going to Burning Man?

Here's how to enjoy Burning Man from the comfort of your own home...


Pay an escort of your preference to not bathe for five days, cover
themselves in glitter, dust, and sunscreen, wear a skanky neon wig,
dance naked, then say they have a lover back home at the end of the
night.

Tear down your house. Put it in a truck. Drive 10 hours in any
direction. Put the house back together.

Invite everyone you meet to come over and party. When they leave,
follow them back to their homes, drink all their booze,
and break things.

Stack all your fans in one corner of the living room.
Put on your most fabulous outfit.
Turn the fans on full blast.
Dump a vacuum cleaner bag in front of them.

Buy a new set of expensive camping gear.
Break it.

Lean back in a chair until that point where you're just about to
fall over, but you catch yourself at the last moment.
Hold that position for 9 hours.

Only use the toilet in a house that is at least 3 blocks away.
Drain all the water from the toilet. Only flush it every 3 days.

Hide all the toilet paper.

Set your house thermostat so it's 50 degrees for the first hour
of sleep and 100 degrees the rest of the night.

Before eating any food, drop it in a sandbox and lick a battery.

Spend thousands of dollars and several months of your life building
a deeply personal art work. Hide it in a funhouse on the edge of
the city.
Hire people to come by and alternate saying "I love it" and "dude,
this sucks". Then burn it.

Set up a DJ system downwind of a three alarm fire. Play a short
loop of drum'n'bass until the embers are cold.

Make a list of all the things you'll do different next year.
Never look at it.

Have a 3 a.m. soul baring conversation with a drag nun in platforms,
a crocodile and Bugs Bunny. Be unable to tell if you're hallucinating.
Lust after Bugs Bunny.

Cut, burn, electrocute, bruise, and sunburn various parts of your body.
Forget how you did it. Don't go to a doctor.

"Downsize" last year's camp by adding two geodesic domes, a new sound
system, art car, and 20 newbies.

Don't sleep for 5 days. Take a wide variety of hallucinogenic/emotion
altering drugs. Pick a fight with your boyfriend/girlfriend, or both.

Spend a whole year rummaging through thrift stores for the perfect,
most outrageous costume. Forget to pack it.

Shop at Wal-mart, Cost-Co, and Home Depot until your car is completely
packed with stuff.
Tell everyone that you're going to a "Leave-No-Trace" event.
Empty your car into a dumpster.

Listen to music you hate for 168 hours straight, or until you
think you are going to scream. Scream.
Realize you'll love the music for the rest of your life.

Spend 5 months planning a "theme camp" like it's the
invasion of Normandy.
Spend Monday-Wednesday building the camp.
Spend Thurs-Sunday nowhere near camp because you're sick of it
or can't find it.

Walk around your neighborhood and knock on doors until someone
offers you cocktails and dinner.

Bust your ass for a "community." See all the attention get focused
on the drama queen crybaby.

Get so drunk you can't recognize your own house.
Walk slowly around the block for 5 hours.

Tell your boss you aren't coming to work this week but he should
"gift" you a paycheck anyway. When he refuses accuse him of not
loving the "community".

Search alleys until you find a couch so unbelievably tacky and
nasty filthy that a state college frat house wouldn't want it.
Take a nap on the couch and sleep like you are king of the world.

Ask your most annoying neighbor to interrupt your fun several
times a day with third hand gossip about every horrible thing
that's happened in the last 24 hours.
Have them wear khaki.

Go to a museum. Find one of Salvador Dali's more disturbing,
but beautiful paintings.
Climb inside it.

FVKCING HILARIOUS! and so very very true

most of it is just fvkced up party fun but this is the part that really pisses me off!!!!!!!!!!
flakes.......

Shop at Wal-mart, Cost-Co, and Home Depot until your car is completely
packed with stuff.
Tell everyone that you're going to a "Leave-No-Trace" event.
Empty your car into a dumpster.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 30, 2013 - 11:47am PT
I wonder how many homes Habitat For Humanity could build with all the money
that gets wasted on BM. And I'd love to see the 'carbon footprint' of all
those people getting there and burning sh!t up there.
Crackslayer

Trad climber
Eldo
Aug 30, 2013 - 12:28pm PT
Y'all should get jobs.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Aug 30, 2013 - 01:03pm PT
I wonder how many homes Habitat For Humanity could build with all the money
that gets wasted on BM. And I'd love to see the 'carbon footprint' of all
those people getting there and burning sh!t up there.

There's actually a group, Burners Without Borders, that collects lumber and repurposes it for humanitarian building projects. A lot of homes in New Orleans have lumber from Burning Man in them.

http://www.burnerswithoutborders.org/
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Aug 30, 2013 - 01:11pm PT
Reilly writes:

"And I'd love to see the 'carbon footprint' of all those people getting there and burning sh!t up there."



The wrong thing done for the right reason is still the wro ...

Uh, never mind.
rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Aug 30, 2013 - 11:35pm PT
Squishy, I absolutely, completely, and with %100 confidence wish I could kill you.

Why you ask?

Because you managed to write my exact feelings for one of the most worthless wastes of time, resources and money on the planet. Not to mention the vacuous ramblings of people who really do not serve any function or purpose whatsoever.

You beat me to it!

On the other hand, I salute you!!!!

Anytime you are in JT, look me up. I owe you a beer.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Aug 31, 2013 - 01:33am PT
Lawyers, insurance executives, bankers, trust fund mgrs, and the like trying to pretend they didn't sell out to the "American Dream"..... gag me with a spoon.
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Aug 31, 2013 - 02:51am PT
rather spend my money at the mustang ranch which is less of a drive and more rewarding,
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Aug 31, 2013 - 07:53am PT
rather spend my money at the mustang ranch which is less of a drive and more rewarding,


Man, I could tell you some stories about the days I was stationed at Fallon Naval Air Station, not too far from the M.R.....

(:
sandstone conglomerate

climber
sharon conglomerate central
Aug 31, 2013 - 09:13am PT
Reading Festival debris=unfuking real. Who'd even want to pay money to see that kind of sh#t?
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 31, 2013 - 12:17pm PT
SLR didn't say he was a customer. He could have been the designated driver.
However, we do know that he was a gud 'stick' in his day.
BurnRockBurn

climber
South of Black Rock City (CC,NV)
Sep 1, 2013 - 02:01pm PT
As this was my 12th year going I can definitely say things have changed. If you want to find the initial feeling I had about it 12 years ago you have to search for it. It is still an incredible place but I hate to admit it but it has turned into a "pissing contest" of who has the best camp blah blah blah.
I left early this year because i just wasn't into it as I was in the past. I went in early to help set up our camp and I see 40-60 rvs being pre set up for weekend warriors complete with hundreds of bikes and generators. Gave me a bad taste.
Then there were freaking tour buses coming in to show people Burningman....little old ladies with cameras ........tour buses??!!!
WTF.
Plus LEO were completely out if control.....pulling people over for driving 6mph and if you didn't consent to search.....K9 called in and a 500 dollar fine for that "bud" they found. Pulling people over because bike racks partially covered license plates....fined
Sh#t everyone in Tahoe should be pulled over twice a week for that one!!!
275 ticket for pissing on the playa.....good luck finding a pisser every time.

So I decided I would much rather spend my birthday weekend with my family, rolling in the grass with my dogs, and not be a tourist attraction.

It was and is an incredible t place but I think I will put my efforts into things that matter more to me..........

Maybe it will change. Peace out playa
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Sep 1, 2013 - 02:24pm PT
Just go this time NEXT month. You'll have the whole f*#king place all to yourself. YOU can make the rules! Do whatever the hell you want, and nobody will care because nobody will even be there but YOU. The weather will be better next month too.

Hipsters, trenders, and HERD followers. Not a free thinker in the bunch.
enjoimx

Trad climber
SLO
Sep 1, 2013 - 03:35pm PT
Yeah it's a total popularity contest. Nothing is free, social obligations exist and you may not like the terms.
Argon

climber
North Bay, CA
Sep 1, 2013 - 04:07pm PT
On our way back from our first Burning Man. Squishy nailed it and I agree with just about every comment here - but we had a fantastic time and will definitely go again. The burning of the man last night was truly spectacular. People did comment about the BLM and county sherifff LEO presence - but they seemed pretty invisible and/or tolerant to me. Maybe I was lucky to avoid those $275 tickets.
portent

Social climber
your mom's house
Sep 1, 2013 - 08:00pm PT
And I'd love to see the 'carbon footprint' of all
those people getting there and burning sh!t up there.

Head to the Grand Sierra in Reno afterwords. They put dumpster in their parking lots and it's f*#king unbelievable the sh#t that is tossed.

Brand new bikes, coolers, all types of non-biodegradable good. Got to love it...
bergbryce

Mountain climber
California
Sep 1, 2013 - 08:04pm PT
Just back, it was my first. Worked in the clinic, got a free ticket and had an excellent experience all around. The scale is what blew me away more than anything.
While I don't care all that much for the primary music genre, I had a great time. I'm sure the vibe was way greater many years ago, blah blah but I don't know of any other place where 70,000 people can get together in a place where just about everything is a hazard, consume that much alcohol and mind altering substances and not have a complete meltdown on a massive scale. Most of the participants realize they are part of something special and treat that week as such. How special the event is has probably changed and will for years to come. Be thankful you got there when it was still "cool".

Anyone who thinks there is anything environmentally sound about that event in any way has their head way down in the dust. It is more of a disappearing act on a grand scale more than anything. Here one week, gone, for the most part, in a couple.
rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Sep 1, 2013 - 08:40pm PT
The best two things you are going to get out of Burning Man is a social disease and a horrible case of the crabs...
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Sep 1, 2013 - 08:44pm PT
The best two things you are going to get out of Burning Man is a social disease and a horrible case of the crabs...

Two couples I know that are happily married with kids met at Burning Man.

Broad generalizations mean nothing.
rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Sep 1, 2013 - 08:48pm PT
Yes but reality means a whole more.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Sep 1, 2013 - 08:50pm PT
They live in reality, they just met at a really fun party in the desert.

What's wrong with that?
rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Sep 1, 2013 - 09:03pm PT
Because they are an infinitesimal sample of the total demographic.

bergbryce

Mountain climber
California
Sep 1, 2013 - 09:18pm PT
I saw a wedding at my intersection. The vows were great, the house band music, not so much.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Sep 1, 2013 - 09:18pm PT
Because they are an infinitesimal sample of the total demographic.

I think you're confusing Burning Man 'tourists' with actual Burners.

Conjecture on my part as far as your knowledge, but it seems like conjecture on your part regarding the demographic.

I camped with climbers and river guides, we had a great time, built some really cool art, and made lasting friendships.

Sounds akin to the the climbing community to me...
rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Sep 1, 2013 - 11:16pm PT
Be rest assured junior, I'm not confusing anything. I'm well aware of the "Burners".

It's a clown fest. Pure and simple.
TheTye

Trad climber
Sacramento CA
Sep 2, 2013 - 01:46am PT
The whole world is a clown fest dude.... look around you in the "real" world. The people sitting next to you at work are likely more diluted and misguided then anyone out there in the desert. Take comfort in the high percentage of toplessness and move on.
patrick compton

Trad climber
van
Sep 2, 2013 - 08:55am PT
There are plenty of free or nearly free underground parties every weekend in CA.

BM was over 10 years ago.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Sep 2, 2013 - 09:48am PT
That's what they said ten years ago gramps, get off my lawn!
squishy

Mountain climber
Sep 3, 2013 - 02:13pm PT
The traffic over the weekend of all the hipsters from the bay area heading back over the hills was something to see..
Ikat

Social climber
Carson City
Sep 3, 2013 - 02:31pm PT
Whatever BM was before, it ain't no longer.

I was sitting in a doctor's office and picked an old editions of a magazine called Town & Country. They had an article about how their poncy group of society mavens made a tour to BM. That must be the definition of jumping the shark.

Look for second-rate famewhore-celebrity influx next year to reduce the original BM formula to nothing more than a dusty Coachella for wannabe's.

It is astonishing how hypocritical the sustainability line is when you see the plastic non-recyclable garbage that is the leavings all along their trail home....
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Sep 3, 2013 - 03:20pm PT
Neat. You have nothing to offer to this conversation other than hating on something you only speculate about or have anecdotal stories to tell.

Pretty much sums up your entire posting history here.

Oh, you can kiss my ass, Chief. You've proven to be someone who argues, but doesn't listen. That's the baseline for stupidity.

Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Sep 3, 2013 - 03:23pm PT
"Neat. You have nothing to offer to this conversation other than hating on something you only speculate about or have anecdotal stories to tell."



A tradition as old as Supertopo itself.

See gun threads and religion threads for similar hating content.

apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Sep 3, 2013 - 03:34pm PT
Full disclosure: I'm not any kind of fan or participant of BM.

From everything I've heard, BM has become something quite different from what it was 15 years ago...not unlike what happened to music festivals like Coachella. No doubt there are some growing pains & impacts that have increased, and need to be mitigated.

Is this any different in terms of overall impact than an NRA convention? Or two OR shows per year at SLC? Or a taxidermy convention?

Not really. Quit hatin', and let people do what they want to do, as long as they aren't affecting others. In this country, that's called 'Individual Liberty'.
yedi

Trad climber
Stanwood,wa
Sep 3, 2013 - 04:26pm PT
From the photos I've looked at over the years, it looks to be pretty cool. Anytime I can check out some art and half naked women dancing is ok with me. Maybe I can make it down there one these days.
squishy

Mountain climber
Sep 3, 2013 - 04:40pm PT
BM use to be about drugs, art, music and people...then it became about telling people, you went or that you will be going, all year...now it's just tourists, dust and yippies and you guys are arguing about environmental impacts like it was a goal of the event? Wow...
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Sep 3, 2013 - 04:47pm PT
Is this any different in terms of overall impact than an NRA convention? Or two OR shows per year at SLC? Or a taxidermy convention?

Not really. Quit hatin', and let people do what they want to do, as long as they aren't affecting others. In this country, that's called 'Individual Liberty'.

Sending a bunch of people to the desert where there isn't any infrastructure to support them and sending a bunch of people to convention centers that deal with influxes of visitors almost every day of the year aren't the same.
HF

climber
I'm a Norwegian stuck in Joshua Tree
Sep 3, 2013 - 05:48pm PT
let people do what they want to do, as long as they aren't affecting others

We are all affecting others, some more than others.

Do you really believe yourself what you are saying here? I almost pity you. Have a nice life and do what you want to do, just remember to not affect others while you are at it.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Sep 3, 2013 - 05:53pm PT
"....sending a bunch of people to convention centers that deal with influxes of visitors almost every day of the year aren't the same."

Ever seen the mess & waste that's left behind after an OR show? I have, more than once....let me tell you, even when it's properly managed, there's a sh#t-ton of waste & impact from that 'green' industry after every single show.

Stop being so selective about 'acceptable' impact. If the BM folks are making a mess, they need to clean it up.
rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Sep 3, 2013 - 06:53pm PT
If the BM folks are making a mess, they need to clean it up.

The problem is they won't. A select few will, but the majority run loose, wild, groovy and free. But when the real work set's in, they are no where to be found.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Sep 3, 2013 - 07:11pm PT
It always was better last year.
BurnRockBurn

climber
South of Black Rock City (CC,NV)
Sep 3, 2013 - 07:42pm PT
Brandon
Always was better last year :)
I think when you go again you will be amazed with the changes. It pains me deeply to have decided not to go again. It was a huge part of my life building art cars, simple art, etc. But after what I have seen and had to deal with the last two years......no go. Had to take out some as#@&%e last year that was trying to destroy our art car and he swung at my wife. Tore my rotator cuff taking the son of a bitch down to eat playa. Limited climbing for a year because of it.
Always better last year.
Shawn
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Sep 3, 2013 - 07:46pm PT
Why can't you build your art at home? And exhibit it in your own neighborhood? And let your neighbors enjoy it?
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Sep 3, 2013 - 08:24pm PT

Shawn, I'm sorry to hear that. I don't think I'll be going again. It was beautiful when I was there, but the influx of tourists kind of kills it for me. We've been talking about it for years, bummer that we won't be able to meet up on the playa.

It was always such a special week for me, my own personal New Year's Eve. Things have changed though, apparently.

My much loved grandpa had his photo placed in the rafters of the Temple this year. My friends out west helped me make it happen. The community is strong.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Sep 3, 2013 - 08:34pm PT
I was a Burning Man once... but I was largely ignored.



Actually, I had heard there was to be a sequel to "Priscilla, Queen of the Desert"
so I thought I should practice.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Sep 3, 2013 - 08:52pm PT
Ron, violence isn't something to be applauded, it's just necessary sometimes.
rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Sep 3, 2013 - 09:05pm PT
Reilly,

Your artistic expression would have been the only thing at burning man worth seeing.

Except for the Dr. at the Free Clinic to get shots...
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Sep 3, 2013 - 09:19pm PT
You're right , Ron. That wasn't an appropriate thing to say. I'll remove it.
abrams

Sport climber
Sep 3, 2013 - 09:20pm PT
What do predators do at night?
They feast like there is no tomorrow.






Daphne

Trad climber
Northern California
Sep 3, 2013 - 09:26pm PT
Hey Shawn, so sorry to hear you are over the experience because of such idiocy. I didn't go last year because I had shattered my ankle and this year I just had too much work to take the time off. And there is in me a little voice that says, maybe that was it, 7 great amazing years and many lifetime friendships made and abundant never-to-be-repeated memories burned into my lobes. But who knows. There will be another great way to celebrate your birthday, I am sure. Wishing you well-- Daphne
abrams

Sport climber
Sep 3, 2013 - 09:42pm PT
Against all advice for not doing this - posting a link to the
infamous Burning Man Hula Cam.

Don't look and say you did.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea3RAkGqYC8

Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Sep 3, 2013 - 09:47pm PT
Chief, you're out of your element here.

I spent three days cleaning up MOOP from my camp after the event ended. It was the same with most camps.

If you burn something, it has to be on a metal pan, so that you can remove any trace of your presence.

You talk, but get all the facts wrong.

Maybe you should bow out of a conversation that you're not qualified to participate in?
rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Sep 3, 2013 - 09:55pm PT
50% of them clean up folks being BLM employees paid for by your tax dollars.

Nice.

But it's groooooooooovy and natural.

Yup, you nailed it!
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Sep 3, 2013 - 10:13pm PT
Chief,

Totally, the DPW cleans up the playa after the people leave, what's wrong with that?

A huge party happens, and people stay for weeks to make sure that no litter is left behind.

That's good management as far as I'm concerned.

The playa is left as it was before the crowds arrived, what's your beef, hippies?

Edit; there is a trash fence around the perimeter to keep the trash from lazy losers contained.
rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Sep 3, 2013 - 10:47pm PT
Totally, the DPW cleans up the playa after the people leave, what's wrong with that?

I rest my case. Ignorance must really be bliss.

Groovy dude...

[EDITED]

It's amazing how f*#king stupid and selfish people are.

By the way, please share this sentiment with Ken Yaeger who heads up the Yosemite Face Lift to clean up the trash left by scum bags like you and your brethren.

Burn dude burn!
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Sep 3, 2013 - 11:37pm PT
"Why can't you build your art at home? And exhibit it in your own neighborhood? And let your neighbors enjoy it?"


Because your neighbors & you invariably have differing opinions about what is 'art' and whether it contributes to the value of the properties around your 'studio'.
Lambone

Big Wall climber
Ashland, Or
Sep 4, 2013 - 03:08am PT
mooooo
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Sep 4, 2013 - 04:03am PT
Mmmmmm, ribs.
patrick compton

Trad climber
van
Sep 4, 2013 - 07:55am PT
back on topic:

Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Sep 4, 2013 - 09:12am PT
RLF, the DPW is an entirely volunteer organization, and Chief has it wrong.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Sep 4, 2013 - 10:23am PT
Burning Man......the only better way to be surrounded by people I truly didn't want to be around would be waiting in line at the Hillary Step on Everest.
jonnyrig

Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
Sep 4, 2013 - 10:55am PT
Oh good, another pointless hate thread. Haven,t been to B.M yet. Have been out there before and after. Haven,t noticed any difference in the trash levels to the east, in the direction the prevailing winds would blow it.
B.M seems to have a larger presence in Gerlach, on the private lands that they,re either buying or renting. Meh. So the f*#k what?
Frankly, since the mine shut down i,m guessing they,re one of the bigger revenue streams out there, you know, besides hunting season. Sure beats the impact they,d all have if they went individually and crapped in hand-dug catholes.
I just wanta go take my video camera. Dressed like sociopath. They look like everyone else,you know. But i,ll call it art.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Sep 4, 2013 - 11:05am PT
I don't know why I bother, but here goes;

Why is everyone jumping on the hate train? Burning Man is what you make of it. It's the biggest party I've ever been to, it's a great time, and the art is exceptional.

Hipsters? Um, not from my personal experience. I camped with 100 climbers and raft guides, mountain folk. We drank way too much, and yes, drugs were present, but for the most part it was just a bunch of friends partying together who hadn't seen each other in a while. People in my camp met, were attracted to each other, and eventually married.

Perhaps my camp was unique, but I don't think so.

It's a week to be over the top opulent, and there's nothing wrong with that. Some of us even managed to go running each morning. It's not a lazy festival, that's for sure.
karodrinker

Trad climber
San Jose, CA
Sep 4, 2013 - 11:07am PT
Same old farts talking sh#t like know it alls. The Chief shows his ignorance, Ron agrees and brings up some sh#t from forever ago...

Burning Man was one of the best vacations I have ever taken, so hate away and stay away, the people who value it don't need your tired asses out there.

This Forum is way more played out than BM.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Sep 4, 2013 - 11:15am PT
People use the word "hate" with quite abandon here. Different strokes for differnt folks......lot's of fun for some, not for others. Words like hate get overused to the point where they lose their meaning. You should be able to disagree or point out negatives "for you" without being accused of " hate."
Stewart Johnson

climber
lake forest
Sep 4, 2013 - 11:16am PT
I had a great acid trip on the playa back in
the eighties
No one was there
I wouldn't want to ruin
those memories with the blight of a giant human
party!

Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Sep 4, 2013 - 11:20am PT
Jim, point taken.
BASE1361

climber
Yosemite Valley National Park
Sep 4, 2013 - 11:52am PT
Good point Jim.

But how many of the negative comments from people here have actually been to a Burn?
People get down on the event saying it's been played out, different from 12 years ago, generators, RV's ect....

One could argue the same thing about climbing with people showing up to the crag with shinny new cams. Insert old fart " back in my day we used hexes and pitons. Climbing was way better back then"

There is an external stimulation and energy there as well as an internal energy. Depends on what it is your looking for. There truly is something for everyone there to experience.

People want to complain about trash at burning man? Really? Look at El Cap? WTF over. You want to talk about LNT? Criers will always find something to cry about. And when DPW leaves the playa and surrounding area is clean. Sounds like DPW acts like the "Yosemite Facelift" but the criers won't cry about that will they Chief?

If you haven't been there and it's not your thing thats ok. If you have and your burned out thats ok too. Going to Burning Man will change your life, it's a matter of how it will.

See ya at Burning Man 2014. Zip line will be taller, longer and faster :)
BuddhaStalin

climber
Truckee, CA
Sep 4, 2013 - 12:08pm PT
I just cant wait for the return migration to be over. Its a trail of sh#t falling off trailers on their way there, and a plume of dust and garbage on the way out...all up and down I80. They have been funnelling through town, using and abusing every toilet along the way, filling any unwatched dumpster along the way, and not bringing any commerce as a result. They spend the bulk of their money at juggernauts like home depot and walmart and costco (at least costco deserves your money).

Living in a town that is along the way, you get a different view of the ripple effect of something like this.

Last year I was driving to the Winds during the friday before the main burning man, it was a mess on 80 of swerving idiots, poor driving, obstructing all traffic flow, crap falling off of art cars (it all looked like fred sanford was haunting the 80) and general disregard for anything outside of burning man. Where NHP was I will never know, but when I passed the exit they turn off on, I80 E was quiet, empty and clean.

Good riddance. I hope tickets are $500 next year
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Sep 4, 2013 - 12:14pm PT
Last year I was driving to the Winds during the friday before the main burning man, it was a mess on 80 of swerving idiots, poor driving, obstructing all traffic flow, crap falling off of art cars (it all looked like fred sanford was haunting the 80) and general disregard for anything outside of burning man.

Hilarious--that actually makes me like BM more than I did before i read your post!
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Sep 4, 2013 - 12:16pm PT
Not my story;

~* On Thursday afternoon out at the temple, I suddenly heard police sirens and then saw scores of police vehicles with lights flashing heading down the promenade towards the temple. It looked like at that moment every LEO on the playa was descending on the temple. Many of us stood stunned, not knowing what was happening, as these law enforcement vehicles slowly arrived and fanned out around the temple, as officers got out of each car. It looked like some kind of planned raid, perhaps a drug enforcement spot check. As they all got out of their cars and lined up on either side of the entrance to the temple, they took off their hats. Soon, a woman was being escorted down the path towards the temple, accompanied by someone holding a plaque. It became apparent that a fallen officer was being honored here at the temple, and that his family members were being escorted inside for a ceremony and placing of the plaque. As the officers went inside, crowds of burners followed, and everyone stood in respectful silence as the eulogy was read, and the plaque placed on the alter. Gongs quietly rang in the background, as desert dust gently blew through the temple. The capacity crowd stood in rapt silence. Afterwards, the crowd erupted in applause as the speaker finished up, and the assembled officers and family members filed out of the temple. It was an emotional and unifying scene, and though different people have had varying experiences with police on and off the playa, in that moment we were all part of the same shared experience. *~

jonnyrig

Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
Sep 4, 2013 - 12:20pm PT
i want to go, so i hope its more like 200 bucks. already got a plan to paint my tent like the coors lite can it resembles anyway. almost have enuf tires to build a shack. and besides paying a bunch of money to hang out at a giant party, it wdnt be much difrent than any other camping trip i usually go on, except maybe no guns.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Sep 4, 2013 - 12:27pm PT
There used to be a drive by shooting range BITD.

And, the temple story is pretty powerful for me. My good friend Dale climbed up into the rafters and left a photo of my late grandpa up there. I couldn't be there, but Tony Hyde was memorialized.
Lambone

Big Wall climber
Ashland, Or
Sep 4, 2013 - 12:32pm PT
I've always wanted to go check it out...

With two young ones at home, priorities are different now. Don't get me wrong, I still get out and do stuff, El Cap...short Phish runs. But I wouldn't give either of those up to go rage in the desert.

I think the people trash talking it are at some level jealous of folks potentially having a more profound life experience then they may ever have.

Humans leave sh#t in their wake wherever they go...same as it ever was.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Sep 4, 2013 - 12:36pm PT
"Same old farts talking sh#t like know it alls. The Chief shows his ignorance, Ron agrees and brings up some sh#t from forever ago..."

+1

(Yawn)
squishy

Mountain climber
Sep 4, 2013 - 12:40pm PT
I am sure it was as heart felt and touching as any other memorial service in this country, but all I see in that picture is a whole lot of dust and nightmares of black boogers I would be pullin for a week...

Has anyone ever heard of the Bohemian Grove? Now that's a party, screw this desert crap, you burners got the short end of the stick on venues there...Next year I am going to the Grove in the redwoods for sexy shows, good wine and world domination speeches, screw the desert hippies..
dirt claud

Social climber
san diego,ca
Sep 4, 2013 - 12:46pm PT
Totally agree Donini, too bad we can't use that same logic here for the word "racist" which seams to get thrown around so easily. I guess some here think there really are actual racist people here who can't stand any body else unless they are white. Sorry for thread drift..just think that word gets way over used here to much as well.

I think Burning Man could be lots of fun, I'm into the Rave seen and having a good uninhibited time as long as sh#t isn't getting messed up. I've heard some cool stories from stuff that goes on out there. I think some people just think it's very hypocritical that many people that go to this event are hard core environmentalists, AGW supporters, all about green living, etcc., but all that sh#t goes out the window if they want to have a good time. Maybe I'm way off, I have not been to BM and have only seen and read stuff about it.

Is it a mixture of all classes and ideals and many kinds of people mess stuff up?

Seams like it has changed though, according to many of the old skool BM attendees anyways.
BurnRockBurn

climber
South of Black Rock City (CC,NV)
Sep 4, 2013 - 12:49pm PT
Brandon
Your temple story is what Burningman truly is about. The temple burn is by far the most respectful,amazing, and beautiful experiences out there.
Again I am in no way discouraging anyone from going. Everyone who goes has a different experience whether good, bad, or phenomenal.
As far as my altercation on the playa I am in no way proud of it. I have never thrown a punch at another person in my life. My 165 pound ass used to be a bouncer so I just submitted him to eat playa to protect my wife. Not proud of any violence there but if he would have made physical contact with her when he swung.................he would have at least spent the next several days locked In a tipped over port o shitter or as we call them.....saunas with aroma therapy ;)

Our camp of friends are already meeting to find another outlet for ourselves. We have all came to the same conclusion that we are going to remember the great times out there and make new great times elsewhere. One thing I am proposing is to take all the money we spend going there and use it for a mission trip together to make a difference in someone's life.

Shawn
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Sep 4, 2013 - 01:01pm PT
Shawn,

You and I are on the same page. I'm not really stoked on going back to BRC other than to meet my friends and catch up. My camp is no more, it self destructed by becoming too large, so I need to have fun with them elsewhere. A majority of them finish up their raft guide season and spend the winter in Costa Rica, so that's where my burner community will hang these days.

And the Temple burn, that was always the most profound moment for me. The night of the big burn is a junk show, and the tourists go away before the Temple burns. It means a lot to me. I'm sure you know what I'm talking about.

I'm so grateful that my friend took my grandpas photo out there for me this year.

Some people just don't understand it, and that's ok.
BurnRockBurn

climber
South of Black Rock City (CC,NV)
Sep 4, 2013 - 01:12pm PT
Brandon
We are definitely on the same page........
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Sep 4, 2013 - 01:48pm PT
My 165 pound ass used to be a bouncer so I just submitted him to eat playa to protect my wife.
Where were you a bouncer, kindergarten, or a rock climbing gym for high-level climbers?
In the real world, 165 #s ain't even close to big, ain't even really that close to average size.
BuddhaStalin

climber
Truckee, CA
Sep 4, 2013 - 01:56pm PT
Hilarious--that actually makes me like BM more than I did before i read your post!

Yeah, all you Boulder hippie idiots love litter, dont you? Neuter yourself.....and stay out of our states, then. CA or NV needs none of your 'art'
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Sep 4, 2013 - 02:17pm PT
Hey I'm not a Boulder hippie idiot--I'm not a hippie!
No I don't love litter and hopefully the BM people clean up the garbage for the most part, and the money they spend probably pays others to do the rest (that's kind of the American way).
If crap is really falling off their cars, they should be ticketed, but I may guess you're exaggerating a bit?
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Sep 4, 2013 - 02:29pm PT
I distrust everything Chief writes.

But, if it's true, it's someone setting a bad example for the tens of thousands of people who take care of their garbage, lives, etc...basically people who live responsibly.

Strong work singling out the negative when there is so much positive.

Pretty much sums you up.

BuddhaStalin

climber
Truckee, CA
Sep 4, 2013 - 02:34pm PT
Hey I'm not a Boulder hippie idiot--I'm not a hippie!
No I don't love litter and hopefully the BM people clean up the garbage for the most part, and the money they spend probably pays others to do the rest (that's kind of the American way).
If crap is really falling off their cars, they should be ticketed, but I may guess you're exaggerating a bit?
I dont care what you are or arent. You have no frame of reference here.

The money they spend doesnt go to all the right places, very little does. Most people dont know what is falling off their garbage scow until they get to the playyyayaaaya and stuffs just missing.

They clean up the site as best they can, but there is a lot of ground between where they came from and the precious playa that is dotted with flotsam and jetsam so to speak.

When you live close to where this BS happens, you see more. When you visit it from far away, you dont as much. Its just how it is. Everyone funnels through our town to get there from sac and the bay and many other major places. Nobody is here long enough to see what a mess theyre making, and others just have their heads too firmly lodged up their asses to see.

Exaggeration? I wish. Ive been seeing this crap for almost 20 years now. Same sh#t, larger scale every year. The more experienced at it probably do a better job, but there are far too many who dont know or dont care or what have you that leave a trail of 'art' in their wake....at the roadside, in the bushes, in donner lake as they bathe all that dust off, etc.....the overflowing garbage dumpster flower comes to mind....just keep piling that sh#t on there in windy old Reno. Half of it will blow to the playa faster than you can drive there.
patrick compton

Trad climber
van
Sep 4, 2013 - 03:19pm PT
Not sure why there is all the Burner hate. Burners, hippies, crusties are all dirtbags.

Climbers, especially trads, are dirtbags.

Camp 4 has dirty people too that are living their dream away from society in a tent or van. They are just a lot fitter than your average hipster/trustafarian.

There is nothing inherently better in any type or style of climbing that is better for the world than twirling around in the desert, half dressed, on acid.

...and I would bet your average Burner gets laid a lot more than your average dirtbag climber.
BuddhaStalin

climber
Truckee, CA
Sep 4, 2013 - 03:46pm PT
I favor dirtbags no more than hippies or burner people. They are all about the same burdens with senses of entitlement in my book. I do not care for the uber-chic how-cool-is-it-Im-a-dirtbag-OMG -PBR!

Trads? Jeez....
jonnyrig

Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
Sep 4, 2013 - 05:16pm PT
I,m surprised you didnt sue them for mental obfuscation or something.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Sep 4, 2013 - 05:16pm PT
I saw a fire engine once.

"Unfkingbelieable!!!"
jonnyrig

Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
Sep 4, 2013 - 05:22pm PT
So, let me see if I get this-
climbers, who spend many of their weekends enjoying an activity laden with dirt, poverty, and ethical shitfits hating on burners, who spend one week outa the year laden with dirt, poverty, and ethical shitfits on the playa?
wow
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Sep 4, 2013 - 05:26pm PT
Precisely, bingo.....you got it! One week a year is just for pretend. Again.....you're overusing the word hate regarding this issue.
BurnRockBurn

climber
South of Black Rock City (CC,NV)
Sep 4, 2013 - 05:31pm PT
Blahblah
You dont have to be huge to be a bouncer
I was a bouncer at a club in Missouri that held 6-800 people on the weekends. So it wasn't kindergarten. Most drunks are easily submitted with simple moves. Did have a chair smashed over my back, and multiple takedowns of guys twice my size. Never threw a punch.....it just pisses them off.

Edit

Keep bagging on a place and an event you have never been to.
Just makes you look like a f*#king idiot. Most people who go out there are great. Some are as#@&%es. Just like every time I go to a crag. Some climbers are cool. Some are complete as#@&%es.
Same as going to any event.........most concerts you go to it takes 5 minutes before some drunken as#@&%e is fighting, puking, or just being an as#@&%e.
Shawn

apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Sep 4, 2013 - 05:38pm PT
"So, let me see if I get this-
Old, useta-be climbers, who useta spend many of their weekends enjoying an activity laden with dirt, poverty, and ethical shitfits hating on burners, who spend one week outa the year laden with dirt, poverty, and ethical shitfits on the playa?"


Fixed that for ya
Lambone

Big Wall climber
Ashland, Or
Sep 4, 2013 - 05:42pm PT
Who the fck are you donini, grammar police!?

Chief is a hater...plain and simple. He's made it clear he hates everything about BM.

Haters gunna hate...
jonnyrig

Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
Sep 4, 2013 - 05:51pm PT
nah, look- it,s easier to spell hate than to fully explain the type of disdain and all its subtleties on the stupid phone. further, in recognition that the thread was not started as a hate thread, i,ll voice a desire to go and check it out at least once if the opportunity arises.
not that it matters, but i,d probably mislabel as hate whatever classification y,all may bestow upon me as well with such a short tumultuous history here.
B.M is interesting. so far the only problem i,ve had with them is last saturday when they bought all the dam organic string cheese at trader joes and i was forced to settle for light. vs full fat. meh.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Sep 4, 2013 - 05:55pm PT
Grammar is the set of structural rules that governs the composition of clauses, phrases and words in any given natural languange. I was refering to the "meaning" of the word hate as so often used by you geniuses on ST. It seems that anytime someone disagrees or has a negative opinion about a thread the word hate is immediately invoked.
Given that.....what to do when a description of an activity or event really could use the word hate? The strength of the word has already evaporated from misuse and overuse.
jonnyrig

Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
Sep 4, 2013 - 06:26pm PT
man i hate it when people corect my grammer.
BuddhaStalin

climber
Truckee, CA
Sep 4, 2013 - 06:29pm PT
man i hate it when people corect my grammer.

You must have a real shitfit when we jump on your spelling, then.

Go donini, welcome to the world, the rest of the world at large isnt going to like everything we like. Its not hate, except in the case of me and burning man;)
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Sep 4, 2013 - 06:42pm PT
Anybody ever see the commercial for "visit Utah" that had the car with all the toys tied to the roof?

It wasn't on the air very long before somebody pointed out to the tourism bureau that it promoted behavior that led to road debris and serious accidents.



Oops.


I hope that the bonehead executive that came up with the idea got shltcanned.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Sep 4, 2013 - 06:44pm PT
I hope that the bonehead executive that came up with the idea got shltcanned.

He did, but then he got hired by Yakima.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Sep 4, 2013 - 06:46pm PT
LOL

They likely had him on the payroll all along.
jonnyrig

Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
Sep 4, 2013 - 06:50pm PT
nah, i spel just fine. but it sur must erk you a bit to feel the need to point it out. thats youre disorder i suppose. if i were truly worried about it, i'd actually make the effort of five extra steps it takes to use an apostrophe where a comma conveys my point sufficiently.

. Indeed, the forum could benefit from nominating a grammatical correction officer. Then, that individual could fritter away countless hours and days on such meaningless trivialities such as the difference between the phonetic versus proper spelling of words like your, you're, and yore. Perhaps we could offer that person a gold star to accentuate their harness in addition to the greetings, salutations and praise that undoubtedly would forever henceforth be bestowed upon them. Such grandeur as that certainly would not go unrewarded, in any circumstance.

or i cud jus keep to my merry ways. i hear theres naked people out there? painted in greens, blues, and sunburns? nice!
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Sep 4, 2013 - 07:58pm PT
Apogee writes:

---"Why can't you build your art at home? And exhibit it in your own neighborhood? And let your neighbors enjoy it?"


"Because your neighbors & you invariably have differing opinions about what is 'art' and whether it contributes to the value of the properties around your 'studio'."






You should see my neighborhood.

We have Hans, who comes from Switzerland. His house has a huge cactus growing in his front yard. He decorated it with Christmas lights, and lights them every night. All year around.

Tom has an old school bus parked in his front yard. It's been there for twenty years that I know of.

My joint is ( finally ) surrounded with an ugly as hell chain-link fence ( it's not cheap to fence in five acres, which is why it took me ten years to get it done ). F*#king thieving avocado thieves pressed my decision.

Jarnigan's place has a commercial sized pigeon coop next to two of those jockey statues in front of his house - and a chain link fence. Unlike my fence, his is topped with barbed-wire.

Gerry Black Horse ( the Army Calvary division, not native American related ) has a large collection of concrete pigs in his front yard. Sometimes he sneaks one of them into my yard for a joke. Sometimes he flies his American Flag inverted.

Professor Jerry has a collection of gas pumps and gas station signs and other assorted rusted junk all over his front yard.

Juan and Cheryl live in a Buckminster Fuller-style Geodesic dome.

Mark and Suzannah's joint is built like an Itallian Villa, complete with a huge rock out front reading "Villa Sognare". Their "garage" is a huge blue-green steel building, big enough to house four of Tom's school busses.

Klausner's joint has a huge solar array built on steel stilts, right next to my driveway.

Dave Moore's place is somewhat normal, but he drives around the neighborhood in a golf cart with palm fronds for its roof, and a hula girl statuette on its dash.


And we all get along just fine, even though we all have different opinions of what's decoration and what isn't. We have a neighborhood get-together one Wednesday a month, where we all eat junk food and drink wine ( except for John and Glenna, they're Mormons, so they drink 7-Up and ginger ale at our parties ).

I don't see any problem with erecting your *art* at home, and letting your neighbors enjoy it. My neighbors don't either. Try it, you'll like it. If your neighbors have a problem, they'll just have to learn to live with it. Which they will.
BurnRockBurn

climber
South of Black Rock City (CC,NV)
Sep 4, 2013 - 08:49pm PT
There usually are climbing walls set up. Played on slack lines and swinging gymnist rings like American ninja warrior. Lots of things to play on
Shawn
jonnyrig

Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
Sep 4, 2013 - 09:19pm PT
Betn theres a lot of folks with aggresiv hoa,s n such that would object on behalf oe their neibors.
Lambone

Big Wall climber
Ashland, Or
Sep 4, 2013 - 09:23pm PT
Donini,
I got nothin but love for ya brah...

Well, not really...but you know what I mean...
ladyscarlett

Trad climber
SF Bay Area, California
Sep 4, 2013 - 11:16pm PT
Me TOOO!!!!

hehehe

Cheers

LS
rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Sep 4, 2013 - 11:52pm PT
This pretty much sums it up:

Frank Zappa - Concentration Moon

Concentration moon
Over the camp in the valley
Concentration moon
Wish I was back in the alley
With all of my friends,
Still running free:
Hair growing out
Every hole in me
American way
How did it start?
Thousands of creeps
Killed in the park
American way
Try and explain
Scab of a nation
Driven insane
Don't cry
Gotta go bye bye
Suddenly: die die
Cop kill a creep!
Pow pow pow

Concentration moon
Over the camp in the valley
Concentration moon
Wish I was back in the alley
With all of my friends,
Still running free:
Hair growing out
Every hole in me
American way
Threatened by us
Drag a few creeps
Away in a bus
American way
Prisoner: lock
Smash every creep
In the face with a rock

Don't cry
Gotta go bye bye
Suddenly: die die
Cop kill a creep!
Pow pow pow

Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Sep 5, 2013 - 02:52pm PT
I couldn't stop laughing when I saw this on my friend's car...




Gotta love how people won't wash their cars for weeks following the event.

Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Sep 5, 2013 - 02:55pm PT
You need to correct his spelling. "Knott" was misspelled.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Sep 6, 2013 - 11:13am PT
Why do people hate Burningman as much as Christianity?
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Sep 6, 2013 - 11:35am PT
Maybe Big Art is over-compensation for their small penises?

Works for the anti-gun crowd.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Sep 6, 2013 - 11:43am PT
So, given the reverence which some accord it what you're sayin' is it's the Dinky Dong Haj?
Snowmassguy

Trad climber
Calirado
Sep 6, 2013 - 11:44am PT
Haters gonna hate
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Sep 6, 2013 - 01:50pm PT



Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming

Sep 6, 2013 - 08:13am PT
Why do people hate Burningman as much as Christianity?


This needs to be its own thread. Lol!
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Sep 8, 2013 - 10:45pm PT
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/08/fashion/running-on-fumes.html

uh oh, not a good review in the NYTimes...
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 8, 2013 - 10:58pm PT
“transformation from a D.I.Y. pseudo-utopia to just another stupid ideas festival.”

What transformation?

These things are always"art" until the "wrong" crowd shows up.
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Aug 27, 2014 - 06:14pm PT
The BurningMan live streaming cam is better than my
gold fish tank screen saver app.
After sundown the lights get pretty wild.


http://www.ustream.tv/burningman

Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Aug 27, 2014 - 06:26pm PT
Clearly your goldfish know how to party down!!
Psilocyborg

climber
Aug 27, 2014 - 08:31pm PT
the problem with burning man is it isn't what it's supposed to be. It's dripping with hypocrisy. Typical hipster BS.

So it's Halloween
And you feel like dancin'
And you feel like shinin'
And you feel like letting loose

Whatcha gonna be
Babe, you better know
And you better plan
Better plan all day

Better plan all week
Better plan all month
Better plan all year

You're dressed up like a clown
Putting on your act
It's the only time all year
You'll ever admit that

**I can see your eyes
I can see your brain
Baby, nothing's changed**


You're still hiding in a mask
You take your fun seriously
No, don't blow this year's chance
Tomorrow your mold goes back on

After Halloween

You go to work today
You'll go to work tomorrow
Shitfaced tonight
You'll brag about it for months

Remember what I did
Remember what I was
Back on Halloween

But what's in between
Where are your ideas
You sit around and dream
For next Halloween

Why not everyday
Are you so afraid
What will people say


After Halloween

Because your role is planned for you
There's nothing you can do
But stop and think it through
But what will the boss say to you

And what will your girlfriend say to you
And the people out on the street they might glare at you
And whadya know you're pretty self-conscious too

So you run back and stuff yourselves in rigid business costumes
Only at night to score is your leather uniform exhumed
Why don't you take your social regulations
And shove 'em up your a*#
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