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Tripod? Swellguy? Halfwit? Smegma?

Trad climber
Wanker Stately Mansion, Placerville
Topic Author's Original Post - Apr 9, 2012 - 10:39pm PT
There is much a to do about this route and most certainly some misinformation. After going up this weekend, here is the definitive information.
Tapestry starts up Farley for 20 feet. It then pulls out and heads up and left to its 1st bolt (this is the 5th bolt of Blue Velvet and the only Blue Velvet bolt that is not a button head). Climbing to the Tapestry 1st bolt is close to the same as for BV for about 30 feet. Tapestry then continues trending slightly right (while BV continues up and left) with 2 knobs to sling (one being very marginal) approx 75 feet to the second bolt (this is a shared bolt with Crushed Velvet). It then diagonals back left into open ground and heads up easy face for about 75 feet to a protectable horizontal crack and then up a short grungy shallow crack to the top of the formation (199 feet if taken to the very top of formation). The lower sections of Crushed Velvet and Tapestry are not even close.

To suggest Crushed Velvet is a retro bolting of Tapestry is pure horseshit propagated by people who have not spent the time to see where the routes go.
So there you go. Take it or leave it

PS: i have a topo in PDF format. it should be at rockclimbing.com as I couldn't post it here.
caughtinside

Social climber
Davis, CA
Apr 9, 2012 - 10:54pm PT
I assume this was witnessed and the .pdf initialed by Chalky Anderson and Ron Foreskin so that we all will know everything is above board?
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Apr 9, 2012 - 11:10pm PT
its a shame that will's route
intruded.

hmm. what to do?
i'd like to see tapestry
in it's virgin form.

let's raise it from the dead
so crushed velvet stays,
blue velvet
melts off the cliff?

oh horseshite for dinner.
and piss in my pint glass.
Salamanizer

Trad climber
The land of Fruits & Nuts!
Apr 10, 2012 - 01:38am PT
You could move the bolt (shared with Tapestry) on Crushed Velvet over three feet and it would then be a totally independent line. Yeah, it would still be close, but not much closer than Opus 7 to Farley. Crushed Velvet takes the arete and is a good route. Tapestry wanders close to it, but only for a couple of moves to gain a stance on a knob, which isn't used for Crushed Velvet. I'm an ethics nazi and I'm tellin ya, Tapestry only comes close to Crushed Velvet because it wanders all over the fukkin place.

Blue Velvet on the other hand is a Retro Variation, as it only shares about 6ft of climbing with Tapestry. If you want to restore Tapestry, you need to add a bolt to Crushed Velvet further right to make it totally independent from Tapestry. Then remove the first 4 bolts of Blue Velvet and leave the rest as a variation to Tapestry as the rest of the route is far removed from where Tapestry goes. Or push the start of Blue Velvet further left to remain totally independent. Although that would make the start of BV like 5.12.

Anyway, Tapestry is a bold and obvious line even though the difficulties are rather tame (no runnout sections harder than 5.8). I believe it certainly deserves it's place, but to erase the other two lines completely would be totally asinine and a tragedy in its own rite. Well, at least in the case of Crushed Velvet. Blue Velvet is a total turd in my opinion anyway.

One more thing...

Proud lead of Tapestry Aidan. I always believe a repeat of a route like that in some ways takes more balls than the first. The F.A. had a bolt kit and could place one wherever they wanted should they start to freak out. The following ascentionists (sp?) don't have such luxuries and must take it as it comes. I wonder how many accents that thing has actually had?
Stewart Johnson

climber
lake forest
Apr 10, 2012 - 09:12am PT
i required less balls to climb tapestry than the first acsent.
salami are you for real?
Scott Thelen

Trad climber
Truckee, Ca
Apr 10, 2012 - 10:13am PT
Please stop bolting at the loaf
GhoulweJ

Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
Apr 10, 2012 - 10:47am PT
Ron,
Stop talking and start doing...
U clearly were part of the team that put up a bold line. Congrats!

U don't like a route Aiden put up... Go take it down.

I don't like some of the things he's done in regard to routes/bolts. But at least he's not an armchair shittalker.

Putting up a route does not give you a lifetime liscense to sit on the Internet and regulate a new gen of ACTIVE climbers/caretakers of the crag/sport.

So duuuuude. Stop the ranting. We all know u hate Aidens work.
The solution is not cyber stick poking.... It's action.

Tired of the thread and the topic.

Don't like Aidens bolts.... Go chop em like a man.


rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Apr 10, 2012 - 10:55am PT
Looks like if you take Aidans description and Sal's recommendation you have a solution. Yes we did sling a couple of knobs (taped on as we had recently read an article about some british techniques) on both the 1st and 2nd ascent but even the one described as not marginal would only have held a short fall with the force of impact coming at a certain angle.I disagree about the runouts only being 5.8 and feel if its described as such it might lead to a serious accident for the uninitiated.I see Aidan has restored the route description to rockclimbing.com, now if it can be included in supertopo and the next paper copy of the local guidebook (along with Sal's recommendation) i'd be satisfied and i think Bill would be too. Good post Sal, i like your climbing style and common sense approach to problem solving.
Salamanizer

Trad climber
The land of Fruits & Nuts!
Apr 10, 2012 - 10:58am PT
i required less balls to climb tapestry than the first acsent.

Is that a statement, or a question? Your posts tend to be somewhat incoherent at times.

Either way, yeah, read my explanation again. In some ways and on some routes it takes more guts to go second, than be the first.
Just having some bolts in a bag reduces the intimidation factor. Whether you use them or not, you still can. Repeat climbers don't have that. You have to climb it as is.

And yeah, I'm for real yo!
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Apr 10, 2012 - 11:59am PT
Please stop bolting at the loaf

Amen.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Apr 10, 2012 - 12:05pm PT
Ahhh, another compressor route.
ImplicitD

Trad climber
Boise
Apr 10, 2012 - 01:25pm PT
Ron,

What is truth exactly?

survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Apr 10, 2012 - 01:33pm PT
Ahhh, another washed up climbers complaining about bolts they will never clip on routes they will never climb thread...

Chop em, or stfu. namaste,


Ahhh, and here you are, posting. Are you in the washed up climbers club too?
:0) ( . )( . )
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Apr 10, 2012 - 02:47pm PT
at stinkeye,
ahh another young, brash, clitless c#&%
ignorantly defaming his elders

whom upheld ideals and standards
that shame (most of) the now generation.

respect is due those whom
paved our path of moderate
and excessive resistance.
theirs stance is substantial,
even though they may no longer
run out the horror shows
that they were once part of.

aiden has got the bulldog blood,
he responded to this senseless shite
by doing the routes in question.

stinkeye
unless you've tied in and
danced upon the ground under scrutiny,
you shut the f*#k up.
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Apr 10, 2012 - 03:00pm PT
I was just talking with another area long-timer, Dave Goodwin about this topic and how many of the younger climbers today dont even know about the likes of Bachar. He met some at some boulders that were blown away by some bits of histrory he told them, AND they were STOKED about it all, and very interested.!! That is the only reason i joined this website was to share what i know of my home area to the new generations of climbers utilizing the modern day communication of the internet. Ive had quite a few emails in regards to this all- and im not alone by any stretch..

+1

Will speak for myself, and not for other young climbers on the forum. Personally I like having Ron participating on this forum. At least reading what he has to say about history, and his posts on lesser-known routes are really good. For example his post helped me discover a new crag (if he did not mention it, it would not stand out from other guidebook mentioned crags) and learn a few things about how guys used to do things in the past (I can’t imagine that they did 1st pitch of bolee gold on 2 bolts?…unf*#kingbelievable to a noob like me). Although I agree that ‘golden age’ is here and now for those who are currently climbing and putting up routes, I do understand that all the best areas were discovered, and 80% of striking natural lines were climbed back than by those guys. Does not mean climbing these routes today is less fun, but I do not think there are many unclimbed routes like ‘the line’ around for picking. SO Ron, please do post up regarding history, less traveled places around tahoe etc etc. Some people DO find this information interesting. Without history there is not much of a future.

Although Ron does rant a lot regarding sugarloaf, I do not think he deserves such disrespect from some reject who is not brave enough to post from his real name. By posting vs going there and chopping routes I think he shows at least some respect to people who put up the routes (even if he does not have much respect for these routes himself).
RonV

Trad climber
Placerville
Apr 10, 2012 - 03:46pm PT
What a bunch a Bullsh#t.
Normally I would just read this stuff and laugh, but...
This is not a popularity contest, this is climbing.
I like you Chuck, but I hope Blue Velvet does not "fade away" just because Will is not participating in this Bullshit or winning the popularity contest.
Like Jay says "put up or shut up people". This is not where routes are voted in or out. Don't like what you see...hope the crowbar doest hit you in the head while you help things "fade away".
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Apr 10, 2012 - 03:57pm PT
mr v, im merely voicing
a whisper towards a consensus.

if cotrell first ascented over
the top of someone's route,
as i understand this discourse to suggest,

then it is my opinion that his act infracts
an unspoken code of conduct
and thus his route, or at least the
first offending pitch shall be removed
or relocated.

i'll voice an opinion, because
opinions comprise a consensus.

you hit me in the head with a crowbar,
and i will reciprocate your gesture
such that you'll regret it the rest of your life.

if i hit myself in the head with
a crowbar, you may raise a cheers on my behalf.
ImplicitD

Trad climber
Boise
Apr 10, 2012 - 04:43pm PT
For the record, Ive climbed a lot with Swell Guy and his routes are well done. Prob his best 5.10 at loaf, in my opinion, is Happy Face. The guy puts up quality routes that make one think and have a lead head. His latest, Macrel Sky, is way proud.

As for Blue Velvet, a better movie than a route. Still, the third pitch is quite nice, prob the best. The second is silly and a testament to Cottrell's style. If you are gonna chop anything please chop the second pitch and follow the natural line up the 5.8 arete. Still, Ive had fun on that climb.



GhoulweJ

Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
Apr 10, 2012 - 08:42pm PT
Ron, give it a break... All climbers respect those before them. They all appreciate a bit of history regarding the sport, the crags, the gear.... But they are not going to stop the progression so a bunch of crusty memories aren't disturbed....

I've been climbing since 1985 (not that long if u ask me). We can all lament on crowdless days of yor, but really that talk is for drunken campfire rings.

Oh, and I know WegeeBoard by name too.... WOW..... whatever.
You need to get over yourself.

Jay Renneberg
GhoulweJ

Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
Apr 10, 2012 - 08:42pm PT
Sinkeye...... Word.
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Apr 10, 2012 - 09:08pm PT
well i stand corrected,
sloshing in vinegar filled shoes
painting the walls with leafy greens.
stinkeye i hereby grant
you a warranted opinion.

even if your opinion comes across
bloated and brash.

may god please you.
Tripod? Swellguy? Halfwit? Smegma?

Trad climber
Wanker Stately Mansion, Placerville
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 10, 2012 - 09:39pm PT
I tend to think of most of the climbers i've met in my life as good people and a cut above the normal man in the street. Old and young, rookies and veterans, brave or not. Pretty much all of them have been cool people I'd share a rope and a beer with any day. I don't oppose anyone having views on my routes good or bad, and I don't care if people slag me off.
It's a bummer though to see people lowering themselves to just downright nasty remarks and veiled threats that most likely wouldn't be said face to face.
The timeless Brotherhood (sisterhood) of climbing is still solid, I see it and enjoy it everyday I get out.
Show a little civility, it is after all just climbing.
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Apr 11, 2012 - 12:40am PT
nasty remarks and veiled threats that most likely wouldn't be said face to face.

quite sad but very true.

I think trolling from nameless people will continue to pop up as long as there is any argument about which route is good/bad or deserves to be cut down or restored.
Maybe Ron, you, and whoever else puts up routes in the loaf should email each other, meet up, go to the said area, look at things, present arguments face to face, and come up with a solution (which is easier face to face). Others will live with it (whatever it is).

Good luck all. Sugarloaf is a beautiful place.
Charlie D.

Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
Apr 11, 2012 - 09:35am PT
Hey Ron A. The day we found the TY note it had a joint wrapped in it, was that you or did we beat you to it?

Well said Aiden, I'd buy you all a round of beers.

Chuck, Ron V. feels bad so he can buy the second round.

Live well, love much and let it go!

A hardy Berg Heil to all of you mountain lovers.

Charlie D.
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
Apr 11, 2012 - 03:03pm PT
click on it for enlargement

If only it was that easy. :[
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Apr 11, 2012 - 03:28pm PT
Says 'roof goes free'


Imagine being there when he freed Grand Illusion...I heard he ran laps on dinkum crack up and down with a pack for training...

Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Apr 11, 2012 - 11:44pm PT
i aint civil.
im committable.

i may appear an upstanding
sitinzen with a good ol
family and a safe shack

but my cave collapsed forevers ago
and im not longer within sanity

and all of yew that paint
me as sociable are sorely mistaken.

sorry to disappoint my heroes that be.

Tripod? Swellguy? Halfwit? Smegma?

Trad climber
Wanker Stately Mansion, Placerville
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 12, 2012 - 08:35pm PT
Chuck,
Get over ya'sell, pick up your phone and call me, and let's go for that beer I'm sorely in need of. I find your soshul skilz very enjoyable. Maybe we can have Charlie join us too?
a
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
Apr 17, 2012 - 07:15pm PT
Anyone been chopping bolts lately at SL? Or know of anyone who's been chopping?
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
Apr 17, 2012 - 07:27pm PT
This route that just got chopped has been there for almost 4 years. They chopped 3 bolts and tried to remove a 4th Pound In but were unable to. So they left it after hammering it and bending the Hanger. They spent time and glued the holes. Because they glued the holes makes me think they did not do it to steal the $3 hangers. We rebolted this route yesterday with Pound In bolts. If it gets chopped again we will rebolt it again and again. The rules are not mess with others routes.

It was the first sport route 4 people I know led for the very first time. Stink Bug Mantle.
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
May 4, 2012 - 01:21pm PT
i humbly take the stance of a public apology
to one of my respected peers and elders,
Ron V.

my only excuse is that im a fool and an asse
and its for strong reason that i solo
as im not socially maintainable for long.

so please accept my apology, sir, for my sloppy verb show posted up thread.

Francesca Drake

Trad climber
California,Truckee
May 4, 2012 - 03:18pm PT
Wow Ron just saw the picture of Gene you posted, right out of the guide book?
Norwegian

Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
Nov 1, 2013 - 06:15pm PT

aiden's exploits
on stone well communicate
magnificent bollocks
and a voluminous flow
of verve coursing thru
his circulatory system.

edit to add,
aiden is also a super stellar father,
and a highly respected professional
who graciously serves our community.
tornado

climber
lawrence kansas
Nov 1, 2013 - 06:20pm PT
You're RONG!!! Shut up Rong!
rnevius

Trad climber
The Range of Light
Nov 1, 2013 - 07:30pm PT
Yawn...
rnevius

Trad climber
The Range of Light
Nov 1, 2013 - 08:45pm PT
Ahahaha...Thanks for pointing that out, Ron.
Norwegian

Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
Nov 1, 2013 - 08:46pm PT
im easily fooled, ron,
thanks for watching my back.

whew. that was vast.
tornado

climber
lawrence kansas
Nov 1, 2013 - 09:06pm PT
^^^^ I think Wes would confront Ron head on. Not his style.
Salamanizer

Trad climber
The land of Fruits & Nuts!
Nov 1, 2013 - 09:11pm PT
Wes is neither a pussy nor a bitch. Trolls are both.
Salamanizer

Trad climber
The land of Fruits & Nuts!
Dec 29, 2013 - 02:20pm PT
So, I got a wild hair up my ass at the end of the day yesterday and decided to climb Tapestry. It was getting late and I barely had the alpine glow to light my way, the wind was howling and it was getting real cold real fast so I just clipped the bolts, tied off one knob and went.

Here's my honest opinion. The things intimidating from the ground. But the climbing you quickly find out is a 5.7/8 freesolo where the leader placed a bolt at every hint of difficulty. Hardly visionary.

To compare it to the Bachar Yerian is like climbing Catchy Corner and comparing it to freeing the Dawn Wall. Not even the same sport.

It's still a cool route and I'm sure something to behold in it's day for that area, but if you want to give credit for bold and visionary, you'd have to lean that prize toward Swamp Thing, the retro-bolt of which is now known as Telesis.

Todd should have pushed the route strait up the center of that wall and taken the time to add another bolt or two for the difficult sections making a classic route rather than a wandering freesolo all over the face following the line of no resistance.
Salamanizer

Trad climber
The land of Fruits & Nuts!
Dec 29, 2013 - 02:42pm PT
Yeah, I know. I just climbed it. Trust me, there are many "natural" lines one could follow up there.

But your description is a bit embellished. The first bolt is no more than 25ft and not R to get there. The second is no more than 60ft from there with two knob tieoffs and 5.8 knob hopping between. It's after the second bolt that things get a bit sketchy as it's a long runnout traverse up and left through less then stellar rock.
Salamanizer

Trad climber
The land of Fruits & Nuts!
Dec 29, 2013 - 04:04pm PT
Positive on the bolts!

How long has it been since you last lead the route? Memories have a tendency to "develop" over timea ya know.

Not sayin' it isn't a ballsy route, just not out there insane is all.
bergbryce

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Dec 29, 2013 - 10:38pm PT
Huh, and there you have it.
Nice job and thanks for the report.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 30, 2013 - 11:19am PT
No Sal, the original line went up and slightly right from the first bolt, a taped on sling for psychological support. Not much of a challenge by today's standards, especially with bolts sprouting all over that section of wall that lend additional psychological support. It was a very good FA lead for it's time (1977) by Bill, ground up, no pre inspection what so ever, outcome uncertain.

EDIT: Only two bolts on the fa, 1st at 60' second at 110+'. No not a Bachar Yerian or anything in that league, but more like the standard runout limey gritstone leads of that era.









Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Dec 30, 2013 - 02:21pm PT
B-Y of tahoe is a one pitch climb whose difficulty is less difficult than 5.11, or even 5.10c? C’mon I think there is something way more bold out there. If the guy that did the FA was psychologically unstable, as stated up the thread, I don’t see anything special about this lead. I know a few people who like to solo because they do not value life that much. Whatever, it was his battle, I have not walked a mile in his shoes. But it seems this climb gets way too much fuss for what it is.
Stewart Johnson

climber
lake forest
Dec 30, 2013 - 02:53pm PT
I remember being grossed out as I clipped the
First bolt( which had been chopped
patched,chopped ,patched . Chopped and
patched in the same 6 inch area.
Ghetto.and a barnagerie of non ethics!
Evel

Trad climber
Nedsterdam CO
Dec 30, 2013 - 02:59pm PT
I fail to see the issue. It's not like someone used a demo saw to cut a crack down the wall. (which I then bolted...)
KP Ariza

climber
SCC
Dec 30, 2013 - 06:44pm PT
I remember being grossed out as I clipped the
First bolt( which had been chopped
patched,chopped ,patched . Chopped and
patched in the same 6 inch area.
Ghetto.and a barnagerie of non ethics!

What a clusterf*#k of wankery. If that is true, it's truly disgusting.

I've only climbed at Sugarloaf one time in 1986 (which is a bummer to say in its own right) so I can by no means be considered a local. I on sighted Finger lock, Fracture pitch 1, and Taurus on a stellar day at a beautiful area. It's pathetic that the stone is being butchered like this. From what I've read here it started with Cotrell. He should've been content climbing that terrain on a top rope. He wasn't, so more brainless dog sh#t followed and followed.....Shining example for future climbers of how not to act.

Two cents.
KP Ariza

climber
SCC
Dec 30, 2013 - 07:38pm PT
Oh Jebus the punter, you really are a drama queen aren't you. This is the first iv'e seen of this thread and I had to comment on the idiots, that call themselves climbers, who participated in butchering the stone on Tapestry. As usual, I see you are ten posts ahead of me.

Four chop, patch, and rebolt jobs in an area of rock the size of a paper plate? C'mon man, that's the laugher. You guys really have it together up there don't you?

As the smiling, happy cragging local that you profess to be, you should be disgusted too. Instead you just keep pedaling the moderates of yesteryear and blabbing on the web about it. It's Something you've become quite adept at.

BTW, most of the old men you refer to climbed harder thirty years ago than you ever will, and many still do today! Ha ha.... now that's laughable you flexing poser! Lol!

Blather from JTP......
just to convince us

Jebus the punter....Sorry to break it to you but there is no "us". Its only a computer man. Your'e all alone waterboy. As evidenced by the countless hours you spend on this "old man" climbing site.

More blather from JTP....
I'm done on this silly topic for a while

Your'e not done are you? Of course not. You love drama. You'll never be done on the internet. That's the only way a mediocre climbing talent like you can get the attention he so desperately craves.

Norwegian

Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
Dec 30, 2013 - 08:16pm PT
who's got the bolt tattooed
next to their ass crack?
KP Ariza

climber
SCC
Dec 31, 2013 - 02:56pm PT
Jeebus the punter didn't offer an opinion. He launched right into attack mode as usual.

No Ron, thankfully he still only stalks me on this sight. Sorry you have to deal with JTP's unwanted advances outside of here. He's clearly a very lonely little gal.
Norwegian

Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
Dec 31, 2013 - 03:09pm PT
regards jebus.
i respect you and your
tactical jesting,
your climbing talents,
and your position within our community.

i hope to rope with you someday.
KP Ariza

climber
SCC
Dec 31, 2013 - 03:16pm PT
Figures.

What's most important though is that everyone is a smiling, happy cragging local like JTP.
Jeebus The Punter=swollen ball bag
KP Ariza

climber
SCC
Dec 31, 2013 - 04:16pm PT
Wasnt as bad as the one where he wished me a slow death from cancer though

Stand up guy that punter he is. Especially considering that is exactly what has happened to more than a few well respected and well loved members of the climbing community as of late.

Jeebus the Punter, did you actually take the time to draft and send an in depth personal E-mail to another member of your climbing community wishing him a slow death from cancer? Of course you did. It was your childish response to what you considered to be "roughing the Punter". I wouldn't wish that on anybody. Not even you. And this is how you make it all better in your mind.....

My remarks were made in anger (and apologized for)

Wow, who's the intellectually challenged ballbag? You are Punter. You're a narcissistic half wit windbag. Be careful what you wish on people. Iv'e seen it happen first hand. God forbid it should happen to any of us. It's one thing to suck at climbing but you suck at life.

Pure class from the "celebrity" JTP aka nut sack.



KP Ariza

climber
SCC
Dec 31, 2013 - 09:14pm PT
That was Jeremiah Chim..
KP Ariza

climber
SCC
Jan 1, 2014 - 12:23pm PT
Ha!
Bit rusty on that one. Too much time lately in the concrete jungle.
hbt

climber
Jan 2, 2014 - 07:19pm PT
from the OP:“Tapestry starts up Farley for 20 feet.” While that may be true of the FA, a direct start to Tapestry to the left of Farley was done before blue velvet.
KP Ariza

climber
SCC
Jan 3, 2014 - 03:19pm PT
Nut sack alert^^^
KP Ariza

climber
SCC
Jan 3, 2014 - 03:27pm PT
ROTFLMAO!

That can't be real.

Well these guys had to "learn" to climb somewhere eh?......
KP Ariza

climber
SCC
Jan 4, 2014 - 01:29am PT
That "route" has only three less bolts than Royal Robbins used on the 1961 first ascent of the Salathe Wall! LOL! awesome.

breakin' new ground these guys are....literally.
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Jan 4, 2014 - 04:30am PT
Was that really rap bolted?!?! Oy Vey!!

I heard the stone there is brilliant tho.
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