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Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 18, 2012 - 09:38pm PT
Hey Anders!

Nothing new to report. There's been some survey action and the "cut list" has apparently been reduced even further thab previously thought. Breaking ground in March.

Thats all I know.



However, I must tip my hat in your direction. Having dipped my finger a bit in the waters of the Garibaldi Park Heli ski conundrum I'm pretty damn sure I smell a rat.

No proof of course, yet some smelly circumstantial evidence. First was an blatant endorsement of continued heliskiing in an editorial of The Pique by Bob Barnett. Further reporting on the public meeting shows what appears to be a heli ski bias.

The public meeting provided no evidence or credible explanation for the draft recommendation of continued heli skiing. Quite a weak limp wristed effort by BC Parks.

Further enquiries to BC Parks and WHS personnel have met with stoney silence or highly illogical, circular and missleading counterpoints.

I know for a fact that many locals are opposed yet for political reasons (one company town) are chosing to remain silent or at least not publicly vocal. about 70 % of respondents to the BC Parks poll indicated kick them out, yet this is being dissmissed without compelling explanation.


None of the rationale passes the sniff test and the silence is deafening. If one were prone to conspiracy theories you might think that Whistler / Blackcomb has rigged the deal and the emasculated BC Parks is meekly accommodating them for reasons we can only guess at.


So I'm inclined to think your instincts toward the Gondola process may be close to the mark.

That dosn't change my opinion of the value of the Gondola project as I'm still inclined to think its a low risk good value product that most anyone could evaluate just driving by.

But without a valid transparent process no one knows for sure.

So keep digging. If you can find any dirt let me know.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 18, 2012 - 10:06pm PT
Bruce, it's the end result of governmental cycle. Premier Soccer Mom and company know they have no chance in the upcoming election, they are out of ideas and idealism.

Patronage for the faithful in the form of happily ever after businesses that allow for the sanctimonious "I did all that rat race stuff. Now I have a spiritually fulfilling *Simple Life* tm.

Politics as usual and as usual, it's in our backyard.
Todd Eastman

climber
Bellingham, WA
Dec 18, 2012 - 11:18pm PT
Bruce, thanks for posting your concerns. This is a universal situation and really frustrating for those expecting to be involved in land use decisions by following the rules.

I hope all is well up your way. The schnee gods are being bountiful down here in the Baker convergence zone. Maybe a ski some day, eh?

RyanD

climber
Squamish
Dec 19, 2012 - 12:13am PT
Bruce, great post. Glad to see you looking at the coin from another angle. Gondolas, heli skiing, IPPs, pipelines, all this sh#t has something in common- as citizens it is being done at our expense.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Dec 19, 2012 - 01:17am PT
Speaking of which, I wonder if they've found some sucker to buy/finance the thing?
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Dec 19, 2012 - 04:43am PT
Bmacd this thread has missed you dearly......

Edit- u gonna wager some dough here or what?
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Dec 24, 2012 - 02:35pm PT
Holy sh#t I just drove by the gravel pit & there's banners up on the fences & a f*#king gondola cabin perched in the middle- no bike racks! This is a shame, Anders have u heard anything about this? Am I out $50??
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 24, 2012 - 02:39pm PT
& a f*#king gondola cabin perched in the middle-

Thats it. Its installed. They cheaped out a bit but at least there's no swath.
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Dec 24, 2012 - 02:54pm PT
Haha it's a virtual gondola! Get in line!
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Dec 26, 2012 - 09:37pm PT
Credit: RyanD
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Dec 26, 2012 - 09:51pm PT
In Ryand's picture one of the signs reads "Adventure by Nature"

Does this mean there will be sushi? Doug? You planning a sushi fest on the patio of the gondola's top stop? I hope so.
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Dec 26, 2012 - 10:08pm PT
David it sez "ADVENTURE" by nature. Not "SUSHI" . Sheesh. Just c'oz yoove mooved to 'Murrica duzzin't mean yo'uve dislearned how to process the written word.

Nature is gonna be in charge of ADVENTURE. Meaning heeze gonna be all tuned into the bike descents, the hikin' in the area, what frogs there are to see, birds 'n' other shzt with feathers'n' fur and stuff like that. He might even know how to catch the koi from the concrete ditch they're gonna build.


You ARE gonna build a concrete ditch full of koi arntchya?
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 26, 2012 - 10:12pm PT
a fish farm! good idea Tami! Fresh Sushi! I tell you this things going to work even without a cable!
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 26, 2012 - 10:15pm PT
That large Christmas tree ornament is lacking the fixin's that a common big city bus, South of the Sea to Sky has bolted to the front for bikes and skis.

Who's the target and who is the targeted market ?
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Dec 26, 2012 - 11:09pm PT
You're right Bruce, It could be a great spot without the cable.
Tricouni

Mountain climber
Vancouver
Dec 27, 2012 - 11:01pm PT
A bit off the gondola topic, but what the heck...

Time is running out if you wish to comment on the draft plan. They may not listen to you if you comment, but they definitely will ignore you if you don't comment.
http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/bcparks/planning/mgmtplns/garibaldi/garibaldi_mp.html

I agree with John Baldwin's comments at

https://bcmc.ca/m/news/view/Garibaldi-Park-Management-Plan-Commentary-by-John-Baldwin

They are are worth reading, even if you don't agree with him.
gf

climber
Dec 27, 2012 - 11:14pm PT
Thanks Glenn-i too am in agreement with Johns' comments-although he is on the black list for including the holyburn NW tree slope in his guidebook :/
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 27, 2012 - 11:33pm PT
JB is on all of our shitlists. But glen is right about his concisely crafted letter.

If I can frame it in just a few words, There is tons of Heliskiing opportunities available outside the Park. In the whole sea to sky corridor there is very few DAY SKI TOURING opportunities, by far the only one of significance (south of Duffy lake ) and uniquely suited is the Spearhead and Musical bumps accessed from the lifts at 2250 meters ASL.

This is an important distinction.

I just recieved this by email from a friends of garibaldi Park member:


I heard from a very reliable source today that the BC Park’s staff are surprised at how few responses they have received from backcountry skiers opposed to heli skiing in the park. We need to get the word out so that individuals send letters as well as the clubs and FMC.

My source also says the parks staff strongly agree with us that heli skiing should not be in the park.



I'd say if Ski tourers are that apathetic then to hell with them. I guess the helli skiers get it by default.






Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Dec 27, 2012 - 11:41pm PT
This might fit better in http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1768379/The-Coast-Range-B-C-Mt-Bute-Waddington-etc

I wrote with my comments, on paper at that. I wrote in 1990, when the master plan was last revised. I wrote on several occasions before and after, when the heli-skiers trespassed outside their permit area, e.g. to operate right beside the Himmelsbach Hut. In my view, heli-skiing in the park ought to be phased out over the next five years. If the proposed huts - which I'm undecided about, and fear are a trojan horse - go ahead, increased ski activity in the area may have the serendipitious benefit of discouraging them anyway.

Nobody listens to me anyway.
Tricouni

Mountain climber
Vancouver
Dec 27, 2012 - 11:48pm PT
Anders, do you know how to move my comments and the replies to the Wadd/Bute thread?
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