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atchafalaya

Boulder climber
Jul 16, 2013 - 02:16pm PT
"If you know so little about US law, perhaps you just keep your opinions to yourself, and try to learn something rather than propagate BS?"

I think the same thing every time you post. First year law student?
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 16, 2013 - 02:17pm PT
Blah...why don't you shut me up...you live in the Boulder area, so do I. Fecking as#@&%e.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jul 16, 2013 - 02:20pm PT
http://www.mysanantonio.com/default/article/Jury-acquits-escort-shooter-4581027.php


Apparently you can shoot escorts in Texas now too. Man, the golden age of White Maledom is really coming back around.

Holy chit!

Sometimes there are stories that are too horrifying to believe. This is one—but believe it.

In my home state of Texas, a man named Ezekiel Gilbert decided on Christmas Eve in 2009 that he was feeling randy. He checked Craigslist, found a listing for an escort, and—believing the service included sex—arranged for a meeting. The escort, 23-year-old Lenora Ivie Frago, showed up, and Gilbert paid her $150 for half an hour of time. Then, once the paid-for time had passed, Frago got up to leave. Gilbert was outraged: he had paid money! He thought the price included for-hire sex! He wanted his illegal sex!

Frago went outside where her driver, Christopher Perkins, was waiting. Gilbert came out and confronted Perkins, who told the enraged man that he had hired Frago for 30 minutes of her time, not sex, and that was what he had received. Perkins drove away, when suddenly Frago screamed, “He’s got a gun!”

Gilbert fired at the car four times. A bullet struck Frago at the base of the skull, paralyzing her. Months later, she died as the result of the shooting. Gilbert was charged with murder. He admitted that the basic facts I just recounted were true.

On Thursday, Gilbert was acquitted. The jury agreed with his argument that he was justified in shooting and killing Frago because she had stolen his property—as in, the $150 taken without providing him the sex he wanted. Never mind that Perkins—who was labeled as Frago’s pimp by the defense—testified in court that his escorts never promise sex. “If I found out you were having sex, you were fired. Period. End of discussion,” he said.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Jul 16, 2013 - 02:24pm PT
"If you know so little about US law, perhaps you just keep your opinions to yourself, and try to learn something rather than propagate BS?"

I think the same thing every time you post. First year law student?
No. You?
Paralegal perhaps?
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 16, 2013 - 02:35pm PT
Jemarr link/group...classic.


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Gerg

Trad climber
Calgary
Jul 16, 2013 - 02:40pm PT
2000
Following a November 7th ballot referendum, Alabama becomes the last state to officially legalize interracial marriage.

By November 2000, interracial marriage had been legal in every state for more than three decades thanks to the U.S. Supreme Court's ruling in Loving v. Virginia (1967) - but the Alabama State Constitution still contained an unenforceable ban in Section 102:
"The legislature shall never pass any law to authorise or legalise any marriage between any white person and a Negro or descendant of a Negro."
The Alabama State Legislature stubbornly clung to the old language as a symbolic statement of the state's views on interracial marriage; as recently as 1998, House leaders successfully killed attempts to remove Section 102.

When voters finally had the opportunity to remove the language, the outcome was surprisingly close: although 59% of voters supported removing the language, 41% favored keeping it. Interracial marriage remains controversial in the Deep South, where a 2011 poll found that a plurality of Mississippi Republicans still support anti-miscegenation laws.




I guess I was kinda wrong and kinda right. i don't want to spread anything in your 'free' country blahblah, you guys take care of that yourselves.
Sorry to bring up some bad blood apparently still in question in Alabanjo.
I fear your reply EEEEKS!
Thank god you can't cyber-shoot me with a cyber-glock...stand your ground EH
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 16, 2013 - 02:49pm PT
Would you rather point fingers then do the work it takes to affect real change? The choice is yours.

Don't communicate civilly to one another.
Don't show respect and common courtesy when addressing each other.
Don't work at finding solutions.
Continue to rant and complain. It's easy.

or

Work at breaking down the walls that keep us apart.
Address the inherent problems with segregation.
Allow others to speak, and listen to constructive criticism of what you are sure is true.
Be tolerant and allow yourself to grow as a kind, strong and enlightened individual.

pud,

Thanks for softly speaking to the real societal problem here. Sad to say, I don't think we want to improve; we want to win. That means we need to make someone else lose. Too bad the losers tend to be all of us.

John
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jul 16, 2013 - 03:06pm PT
As a kid in California in the early 70's, I remember my dad showing me the neighborhood covenant that came with our newly bought home that excluded blacks. Probably not enforceable then, but still a reminder of the way things were.
Tready

Trad climber
Quito
Jul 16, 2013 - 03:15pm PT
Heard something on a sports radio talk show (of all places) yesterday that I thought was pretty interesting. I can't recall it exactly, but it went along the lines of "saying race is THE factor in the Zimmerman case isn't fair, but saying race is A factor is definitely applicable." There was also this nugget from former NBA player John Ameci (might have spelled that wrong): "Obama is the exception, but Trayvon Martin is still the rule."
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 16, 2013 - 03:16pm PT
As a kid in California in the early 70's, I remember my dad showing me the neighborhood covenant that excluded blacks. Probably not enforceable then, but still a reminder of the way things were.

Monolith, those covenants have been unenforceable since the 1940's, but they were hardly applicable only to blacks. Here in Friendly Fresno, my ethnic group - Armenians - were excluded through similar racially restrictive covenants. My father-in-law was excluded from one of the local country clubs because of his ethnicity. I remember swimming with a friend there as a kid, who told me not to give my last name since technically I wasn't supposed to be there. Ironically, that club is now full of Armenians.

Focusing on our current imperfection tends to motivate us to desire change, but sometimes at the cost of a paralyzing despair. Focusing solely on how far we've come creates a danger of satisfaction with an unsatisfactory status quo. It's good to keep both in view.

John
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jul 16, 2013 - 03:18pm PT
Not enforceable, but still a reminder, please keep the neighborhood white.

It was pretty shocking to me as a little kid, since everything I had read about racism concerned only the south.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jul 16, 2013 - 03:20pm PT
Focusing on our current imperfection tends to motivate us to desire change, but sometimes at the cost of a paralyzing despair.

Ain't that the truth.
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Jul 16, 2013 - 03:23pm PT
We don't know what happened that night.

No one (except GZ) knows how the fight started or how it went down.

Anyone who's served on a jury knows convictions are tough to get.

I'm not surprised the GZ was acquitted, he is innocent until PROVEN guilty. There wasn't enough evidence to know.

GZ is culpable for pursuing TM (getting out of his car to look for street names in his neighborhood that has 3 streets is B.S.) and that will probably be addressed in a civil rights (again not enough evidence to convict IMO) or civil trial (I wouldn't be surprised if GZ loses).

The biggest thing I'm disappointed in is the juror who is talking. She made her mind up in the beginning and states with certainty things she can't know for sure. She was probably the foreman, and was going to go public with a book. So probably pushed the others to agree with her. The trial might have ended up the same way, but when I had jury duty I purposefully volunteered for the job of foreman to keep someone like that from running the show, so I could make sure everyone had a chance to speak and make their mind up on their own.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 16, 2013 - 03:24pm PT
As a USFS employee i was subjected to discrimination which ended my career with them. The Consent decree was suddenly and rigidly imposed on the various govt agencies making them obtain equal parity among sexes and races nearly overnight. My job which was due to be upgraded and re flown based on what i had been doing the previous 12 years- tailored to me and for me was suddenly taken away and i was told not to even apply for it as it would go to a Woman or minority no matter what. 3 yrs BLM, 12 USFS right down the tubes...My life and efforts were nothing in the end. I needed a sex change or 1/8 more Indian in me.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jul 16, 2013 - 03:26pm PT
You said you quit for other reasons before.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 16, 2013 - 03:30pm PT
There were other reasons,, but that was a BIG part of it.

During those times BLM and USFS lost a drastic amount of very skilled people in a vortex of exits. All under the same discrimination thumb.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 16, 2013 - 03:32pm PT
John wrote: Thanks for softly speaking to the real societal problem here. Sad to say, I don't think we want to improve; we want to win. That means we need to make someone else lose. Too bad the losers tend to be all of us.


Civil dialogue has been going on for hundreds of years, laws have been created to protect minorities...seems like we are taking two steps backwards, one forward.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 16, 2013 - 03:40pm PT
Bob, I guess I see it the opposite way: we're taking two steps forward and one step back. I think the fet states my personal view of this trial well: when accounts differ, prosecutors have difficulty obtaining convictions because they're stuck with the "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard. When the inevitable civil suit for wrongful death comes, with a standard of proof that is merely a preponderance of the evidence, I expect a different verdict.

I was mighty young, but I still remember both Brown v. Board of Education and Orville Faubus fighting desegregation in Little Rock. I simply cannot say with intellectual honesty that we remain the same society we were then. More importantly, I cannot say that riots, violence, or even shouting brought about what we've achieved by talking to, rather than at or about, each other.

John
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 16, 2013 - 03:44pm PT
John wrote: Bob, I guess I see it the opposite way: we're taking two steps forward and one step back.


I wonder if you would feel the same if your were Trayvon parents?

John wrote: I remember swimming with a friend there as a kid, who told me not to give my last name since technically I wasn't supposed to be there. Ironically, that club is now full of Armenians.


So all you had to do was changed/not tell your name to "fit in"...little different for a black person to change his color to "fit in".
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Jul 16, 2013 - 03:54pm PT
I hope some justice comes out of the coming legal procedures. I'd hate to think we're setting a precedent that's its acceptable to murder non threatening, unarmed, people that annoy you, and have no consequences.
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