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Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 17, 2013 - 01:14pm PT
Chaz...GZ wasn't getting his head bashed on concrete...he got an old fashion ass kicking when he stalked the wrong kid with a bag of candy trying to be a cop-wanna-be.

Funny how you guys feel that it was ok for GZ to defend himself but not the black kid. Really disgusting thought process you have going.

Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 17, 2013 - 01:14pm PT
Martin had no way of avoiding Zimmermann short of violence? He couldn't out-run the fat slob?
Jemarr

Social climber
Chico
Jul 17, 2013 - 01:15pm PT
You should be ashamed supporting a gay basher like Trayvon.
What kind of people are you?


Jeantel: Trayvon Not Racist, Just Homophobic
http://www.vdare.com/posts/jeantel-trayvon-not-racist-just-homophobic


Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 17, 2013 - 01:18pm PT
Chaz wrote: Martin had no way of avoiding Zimmermann short of violence? He couldn't out-run the fat slob?


Goes both ways...way did GZ even confront the kid...race profiling!!!


You just want to believe it was the black kid fault...it is in your DNA.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 17, 2013 - 01:20pm PT
Martin had no way of avoiding Zimmermann short of violence? He couldn't out-run the fat slob?

"a person may justifiably use force in self-defense when there is reasonable belief of an unlawful threat, without an obligation to retreat first."

A far more appropriate question is: GZ couldn't have asked Trayvon questions from a distance? He had to rush him and get within striking distance, acting under the assumption that he was "up to no good or on drugs or something."

The thing all you mother fukers seem to forget is the simple FACT that his was a 17 year old kid was WALKING HOME, who was followed and confronted by a wannabe cop FOR NO LEGITIMATE REASON.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 17, 2013 - 01:20pm PT
The type of person who starts a violent fight when other options are available is the exact type of person who should be profiled, regardless of race.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 17, 2013 - 01:21pm PT
You are suggesting the profiling was justified based on what happened when Trayvon was confronted 5 min later? Despite absolutely NO evidence other than the color of Trayvon's skin and a hoodie? Stop playing the fuking village idiot Chaz.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 17, 2013 - 01:23pm PT
You are defending a lying sack of sh#t.


" A medical examiner who reviewed video and photographs of George Zimmerman's injuries suffered during his fatal confrontation with Trayvon Martin called the neighborhood watch captain's wounds "insignificant" and "non-life threatening."

Dr. Valerie Rao testified that Zimmerman was struck as few as three times by Martin during the fight that night. She also asserted his head may have only been slammed on the concrete a single time. Zimmerman, who faces second-degree murder charges for the death of the unarmed teenager, said Martin repeatedly slammed his head on the concrete.

"Are the injuries on the back of the defendant's head consistent with one strike against a concrete surface?" asked prosecutor John Guy

"Yes," Rao said.

"And why do you say that?" asked Guy

"Because if you hit the head one time, it is consistent with having gotten those two injuries at that one time," she testified.

Rao's testimony could contradict Zimmerman's assertion that he was involved in a potentially life-threatening struggle with the Florida teenager.

Catch up on all the details from the George Zimmerman murder trial.

Zimmerman, 29, claims he shot Martrin, 17, in self defense on Feb. 26, 2012 as Martin repeatedly banged his head against the pavement and reached for Zimmerman's gun.
Zimmerman Claimed Trayvon Martin Said, 'You Are Going to Die Tonight' Watch Video
George Zimmerman Witness Describes 'MMA Style' Fight Watch Video
Zimmerman Neighbor Heard 'Yells for Help' Watch Video

"If you look at the injuries they are so minor they are not consistent with grave force," Rao said. "If somebody's head is banged with grave force I would expect a lot of injuries. I don't see that."
Jemarr

Social climber
Chico
Jul 17, 2013 - 01:26pm PT
Lots of evidence Dr Chris. We can practically here you stomping your feet in anger. Chill.

Blacks benefit from Florida ‘Stand Your Ground’ law
at disproportionate rate

http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/16/blacks-benefit-from-florida-stand-your-ground-law-at-disproportionate-rate/



Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 17, 2013 - 01:26pm PT
If Zimmermann had waited for "grave force" before defending himself, he'd be dead. That's what "grave" means.

I don't think Zimmermann's a saint. I think he's an idiot. A street-legal idiot, but still an idiot.

Everything he did leading up to what happened is the exact opposite of what I would have done.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 17, 2013 - 01:30pm PT
Chaz, it is seriously revolting to hear you question Trayvon, a 17 year old kid who was DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG, defending himself when approached by a strange man.

Why are you NOT asking "couldn't GZ have stayed back and asked Trayvon to identify himself? Or waited for the cops? Why did GZ initiate a physical confrontation based on NOTHING BUT APPEARANCES?"

Do you think we should have laws that not only allow GZ to inflict vigilante justice based solely on appearances, but actually encourage it?
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 17, 2013 - 01:35pm PT
Trayvon couldn't have simply avoided Zimmermann by jogging off? A young, fit guy couldn't out-run a fat slob?

When I was Trayvon's age, I out-ran cops whenever I felt like running. The cops were all in way better shape than Zimmermann.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 17, 2013 - 01:58pm PT
GZ couldn't have just asked Trayvon what he was doing, without approaching to within striking distance?

You are asking the wrong questions you fool. GZ was the instigator, TM (a kid) was MINDING HIS OWN FUKING BUSINESS and walking home. GZ was armed. GZ rolled up on TM, to within striking distance, saying nothing more than "what you doing around here?"

And you have the audacity to question TM popping him? You clearly watch too much Fux News or read so much of that DailyCaller bullsh#t. You done made yourself retarded.


I out-ran cops whenever I felt like running

Yep, you are a genius. So a man with a gun should stand his ground, but a black teen minding his own business should run whenever someone approaches him? You racist fukheads would love that, wouldn't you?
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 17, 2013 - 02:01pm PT
Do YOU routinely pop people who get within striking distance, when you don't like the tone of the conversation?

If you have the choice to leave, then any violence you start is unnecessary.

Never start a fight when you can avoid it. The guy you're fighting, he gets a vote, too, as to how the fight ends.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 17, 2013 - 02:06pm PT
If someone followed me for blocks and then came straight at me without identifying themselves and saying only "what are you doing around here" in a hostile tone...

I would most definitely feel justified in using force in self-defense if I felt there was a reasonable belief of an unlawful threat. If I could get away, sure I'd try. But clearly GZ rolled up on Trayvon pretty fast. You do realize GZ said "sh#t, he's running." So clearly Trayvon ran to where he thought he was fairly safe... until GZ came around the building and approached to within striking distance.

Sickening that you don't think Trayvon was justified in using force.
saghi

Trad climber
Jul 17, 2013 - 02:08pm PT
None of you have any clue whether there was racial profiling involved. Why do you present it as fact?
Snowmassguy

Trad climber
Calirado
Jul 17, 2013 - 02:08pm PT
Zimmerman should have received punishment/jail time.

I fault our president and the media for making it a race issue and the prosecutors for overreaching. Another example of politics overreaching and invading a space in which they have no business being in.

Our media and president are responsible for Zimmerman walking. Sucks but it is true. if this case was prosecuted out of the media spotlight, Zimmerman would have received jail time.

Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 17, 2013 - 02:25pm PT
The only thing GZ saw that led him to the conclusion that Trayvon was "up to no good or on drugs or something" was his clothing and his skin color. GZ was 100% unprovoked, he had absolutely no legitimate reason for instigating the confrontation, and an innocent 17 year old kid is dead as a result. Yet you all support his right to do what he did?

You sick fuks support someone instigating a confrontation, shooting an innocent teenager, and then claiming self-defense... but you question said teenager's actions when an unidentified man follows them for blocks, approaches them to within striking distance, and they feel the need to defend themselves?

You are revolting human beings.
GLillegard

Social climber
Oregon
Jul 17, 2013 - 02:25pm PT
I am Confused,

Dr.F states that Zimmerman started the fight?

Dr Christ states that Martin started the fight?

I had to bail my Son in Law out of County Jail because someone made a aggressive comment while following him at night in a bar parking lot and he punched Him. The Judge was considerate enough to explain to him that taking exception with a comment and being within striking distance, didn't give him legal cause to "Pop" the guy. Fortunately a conviction for Assault, a fine , and anger counseling seems to have impressed on him that word's alone don't give you the right to physical "self defense"
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 17, 2013 - 02:28pm PT
Dr Christ states that Martin started the fight?

I did? Yeah, keep twisting it you dipsh#t.

a person may justifiably use force in self-defense when there is reasonable belief of an unlawful threat, without an obligation to retreat first.

In the minds of all but the sickest fukheads, a 17 year old being followed and then confronted by an unidentified man is reasonable belief of an unlawful threat.
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