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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 15, 2013 - 06:36pm PT
pssst wes DID YOU NOT HERE ME WHEN I SAID NOT GUILTY TO MONO! YUR A DAY LATE AND A DOLLA SHORT< as usual..(capitalized so you "heard" me)..


f-ing SEMANTICS queens around here are a PLAGUE i tell ya! I could beat all ya up with my D*CK!;-)
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jul 15, 2013 - 06:38pm PT
HickSpeakBoy whines about semantics. Precious.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 15, 2013 - 06:39pm PT
I got yur hick,, hangin..Hhehehe
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Jul 15, 2013 - 06:41pm PT
Oh look the colostomy bag is dribbling again.

uh oh. looks like i am being stalked by a pedophilo. maybe he is just after my skittles.

monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jul 15, 2013 - 06:49pm PT
Hard to prove TM was the instigator of the fight. The evidence showed he might have been a better fighter, but it was Zimmerman who had the gun.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 15, 2013 - 06:51pm PT
In a private suit ALL info will come out on previous behaviors records you name it. They will re dig it to the detail. It will make two teams of lawyers famous, like Johnny Cochran.. "Soap opera effect" rides again...



meanwhile in just LA and surrounding towns,,



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Tready

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Quito
Jul 15, 2013 - 06:59pm PT
You guys talk about Zimmerman being in a fight for his life, but the pictures I've seen of his injuries seem pretty minor, and the medical examiner seemed to think they were insignificant and not life threatening as well.

One guy hit it on the head though. There is a racial element involved here, which makes things harder to negotiate, but the fact that it is apparently ok to confront someone because you don't like how they look, and then when the confrontation escalates, it's ok to kill them, should highlight that there's something wrong with the system/law.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 15, 2013 - 07:01pm PT
Hard to prove something that clearly didn't happen. Trayvon was walking AWAY from the creepy guy who was following him, as any 17 year old should do when they are 10 doors from their home. GZ eventually caught up to him and confronted him. Last I checked, Trayvon's actions were considered the opposite of instigating a fight.

There are about 6 people on ST that I could see believing Trayvon "instigated" the confrontation by being a young black man. But they will never admit it.

From Ron:
Homicides: Jan. 1, 2007 to July 12, 2013
By cause
...
Gunshot
3,575(3,575)
...

You quote that like it has something to do with Trayvon getting shot. The only thing that highlights in the minds of the intelligent is: if GZ had NOT had a penis extension (I mean gun) he would NOT have confronted Trayvon based solely on looks and someone's 17 year old boy would still be alive.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 15, 2013 - 07:12pm PT
wes you walk around thousands of armed citizens every stinkin day. ESPECIALLY any where near NV. CCW classes are crammed with males and females. Each and every one. There are MILLIONS upon millions now. Yet yesterday,, i heard of NO incidents regarding these millions.


The trial is over, NOT GIULTY the finding,

so stop your pissing, yur moaning, yur whinning

The jury decided this case for you and me

thats how laws work, in REALITY.

You bought the smear the newscasters gave

as it turns out they played you the nave

So sorry the ending was not what thought

tuff road to hoe, that lesson taught.

Ricky

climber
Sometimes LA
Jul 15, 2013 - 07:22pm PT
HickSpeakBoy whines about semantics. Precious.

Were you here for the ether incident? That was precious.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jul 15, 2013 - 07:22pm PT
Anderson still doesn't get the "guilty beyond a reasonable doubt" versus innocence concept.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 15, 2013 - 07:23pm PT
get a new bait mono.. When a fish sees teeth marks, he knows he has already tried that one.

monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jul 15, 2013 - 07:24pm PT
It works, get used to it.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jul 15, 2013 - 07:44pm PT
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/07/15/2300421/singer-attacked-trayvon-martin-dedication/

Legendary Soul Singer Violently Attacked For Song Dedication To Trayvon Martin
By Rebecca Leber on Jul 15, 2013 at 4:00 pm

Hours before George Zimmerman walked free in his second-degree murder trial, a white woman assaulted soul singer Lester Chambers for dedicating a song to Trayvon Martin. The woman identified as 43-year-old Dinalynn Andrews Potter jumped the stage, reportedly yelling “it’s all your fault,” right before she hit the 73-year-old singer.
A fellow musician Kurt Crowbar Kangas posted on Facebook that Chambers “went down hard” and the woman “was subdued by Police and taken away while the para-medics came and took him to a local Hospital.” He sustained an “8 [inch] scratch in the kidney area of his back and it’s starting to swell.”
Watch the attack (the woman jumps on to the stage at approximately 4:16):Chambers, once part of a legendary 1960s music group called The Chambers Brothers, prepared to dedicate a civil rights-era song titled “People Get Ready,” changing the lyrics from “people get ready, there’s a train a-coming” to “there’s change a-coming.”
The next morning, there were largely peaceful and emotional rallies throughout the country responding to the Zimmerman verdict, and not the race riots pundits had predicted. Meanwhile, Chambers suffered bruised ribs and nerve damage for making a public statement about the case.Chambers, once part of a legendary 1960s music group called The Chambers Brothers, prepared to dedicate a civil rights-era song titled “People Get Ready,” changing the lyrics from “people get ready, there’s a train a-coming” to “there’s change a-coming.”
The next morning, there were largely peaceful and emotional rallies throughout the country responding to the Zimmerman verdict, and not the race riots pundits had predicted. Meanwhile, Chambers suffered bruised ribs and nerve damage for making a public statement about the case.

Chambers, once part of a legendary 1960s music group called The Chambers Brothers, prepared to dedicate a civil rights-era song titled “People Get Ready,” changing the lyrics from “people get ready, there’s a train a-coming” to “there’s change a-coming.”
The next morning, there were largely peaceful and emotional rallies throughout the country responding to the Zimmerman verdict, and not the race riots pundits had predicted. Meanwhile, Chambers suffered bruised ribs and nerve damage for making a public statement about the case.

Yea Doodie white trash power. No race riots just a dumb bitch cracker letting her hate beat up a gentle old Black man singing about Peace and Love.

GLillegard

Social climber
Oregon
Jul 15, 2013 - 07:56pm PT
If you read the Court Testimony and review the Evidence exclusively, it is clear how the jury was able to form it's reasonable doubt. There will be no Civil Trial as Florida Statute precludes Civil Liability in cases of Self Defense. This was never a case of Stand Your Ground, and was not presented in Court as such. It was simple Self Defense legally. The FBI has already conducted an extensive investigation into George Zimmerman's possible Racial prejudice,hatred,etc. in interviewing in excess of 30 individuals and concluded there was no basis for Labeling him a Racist in name or action. The Justice Dept. is free to proceed with a Civil Rights Case despite the FBI report, just as the State of Florida proceeded with it's Prosecution despite the refusal of the local Prosecutor.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jul 15, 2013 - 07:57pm PT
Quite obviously that was Chambers' fault. He's a thug, after all.

philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jul 15, 2013 - 08:35pm PT
Yeah he was totally guilty of being a Black Man.

I am sure our resident Retardlicans would say if only he had been packin' heat he coulda blowd that bitch away.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 15, 2013 - 08:56pm PT
Ron queried
HD if America doesnt like racists, then tell me what you think of obamas march 2012 speech where he labels TM as "his son"..


I don't think you "get" racism.


Ron raged
The trial is over, NOT GIULTY the finding,

so stop your pissing, yur moaning, yur whinning

The jury decided this case for you and me

thats how laws work, in REALITY.

You bought the smear the newscasters gave

as it turns out they played you the nave

So sorry the ending was not what thought


I don't think you "get" trial by jury. You realize that they do not in fact decide what reality is, right? Or even right vs wrong? Given the evidence that existed and the absurdly broad statute for "self defense" in Florida, it seems like Zimmerman SHOULD have been found not guilty. That doesn't mean it's just, or right. It's just legal.

Explain this:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57433184/fla-mom-gets-20-years-for-firing-warning-shots/

(CBS News) JACKSONVILLE, Fla. - A Florida woman who fired warning shots against her allegedly abusive husband has been sentenced to 20 years in prison.

Marissa Alexander of Jacksonville had said the state's "Stand Your Ground" law should apply to her because she was defending herself against her allegedly abusive husband when she fired warning shots inside her home in August 2010. She told police it was to escape a brutal beating by her husband, against whom she had already taken out a protective order.

CBS Affiliate WETV reports that Circuit Court Judge James Daniel handed down the sentence Friday.

Under Florida's mandatory minimum sentencing requirements Alexander couldn't receive a lesser sentence, even though she has never been in trouble with the law before. Judge Daniel said the law did not allow for extenuating or mitigating circumstances to reduce the sentence below the 20-year minimum.

"I really was crying in there," Marissa Alexander's 11-year-old daughter told WETV. "I didn't want to cry in court, but I just really feel hurt. I don't think this should have been happening."

Alexander was convicted of attempted murder after she rejected a plea deal for a three-year prison sentence. She said she did not believe she did anything wrong.

So apparently in Florida if you shoot to warn, you're an almost murderer and deserve jail time. If you shoot to kill you're "standing your ground" and a hero.
patrick compton

Trad climber
van
Jul 15, 2013 - 09:02pm PT
I blame marijuana and skittles combination.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 15, 2013 - 09:11pm PT
ANY and ALL CCW classes will TELL YOU "warning shots" should NEVER exist. period.
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