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sethsquatch76

Trad climber
Joshua tree ca
Mar 16, 2012 - 09:14pm PT
Today I climbed at Patagonia Pile. At the base was a mixture of broken Newcastle and Heineken bottles.......We cleaned them up best we could.......

Rule #1 Dont sh#t on top of any formation
Rule #2 Pack out your TP
Rule #3 Pros drink canned beer and pack them out! Broken bottles are f*#king lame!

I am a inbred JT local. If I see you break any of the above rules EXPECT TO BE CONFRONTED, WRAPPED IN TP, SHAT UPON, AND BOTTLES BROKEN OVER YOUR HEAD!

Joshua Tree is a gem, educate others, protect it!!!!!!!!!!!

Bernadette is a mega blessing as a liaison between us and the park service.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Mar 16, 2012 - 09:31pm PT
At the base was a mixture of broken Newcastle and Heineken bottles..

Seth, I think it is worth pointing out that it is highly unlikely that the broken bottles you found out behind HVCC were left by climbers.

Thanks for cleaning up someone's mess.

rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Mar 16, 2012 - 10:01pm PT
"At the base was a mixture of broken Newcastle and Heineken bottles.."

It definitely was not real climbers. Real climbers can't afford to drink that good shit!

Thanks for cleaning it up!!!

I have to admit, I just don't get the mentality of people who think that chipping, "gluey", trashing etc are acceptable practices.
ME Climb

climber
Behind the Orange Curtain
Mar 16, 2012 - 10:09pm PT
@rlf- you sure have no problems drinking my Newcastle!

Seriously though if there is enough to prosecute these people maybe we should hear about it so we can take any other appropriate actions

Eric
rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Mar 16, 2012 - 10:23pm PT
Never going to happen. This is something that needs to be settled "in house".

We all make our mistakes in life. The general idea is that when we do something that is completely unacceptable, we learn from that mistake, or at least make a feeble attempt.

This clearly isn't the case here.

Prosecuting won't solve anything.
ME Climb

climber
Behind the Orange Curtain
Mar 16, 2012 - 10:26pm PT
Then let's take what ever other steps need to be taken!
gonamok

climber
dont make me come over there
Mar 17, 2012 - 07:40pm PT
Make a sport climbing area at JT to coddle gym trained climbers who are terrified of a "trad rack"?

What is this sport coming to? Nobody should have anything done for them, if you cant find what you like here, then go someplace else. The only thing that im concerned about regarding the gym/sport crowd is that so many have no idea how to act around cliffs and other climbers, and that ignorance puts them, others and the environment at risk.

As for the quality of their experience, they can create their own experience like everybody else. Maybe we should put in one of those MacDonalds play areas for them too.

If you need your hand held you are in the wrong sport.
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Mar 17, 2012 - 07:43pm PT
pukie brown and heniousiken,

real climbers would have busted up some pliney bottles

or maybe a lagunitas ipa, with the sweet hops,

would anybody care for a hot buttery meatloaf or some crab cakes?

what kind of dressing?

mashed pototoes or baked potptoe?

who here can puke up a corn beef cabbage sandwich in front of an irish priest?



blackwater23

Mountain climber
Sammamish, WA
Mar 21, 2012 - 01:09pm PT
Dudes and Dudette's,

I learned to trad climb in JT over a period of 10 days. Came down from Anchorage the day after Christmas 1999, camped in the park and got spanked on any number of 'easy' bolted routes but fell in love with the place. I endeavored to perservere, bought some trad gear at the local climbing shop and gave it a go. Consequently I have a very limited amount of patience for whiny sport route gym rats crying for more bolted climbs in JT. Just back away from the bolt gun and embrace your inner trad child. Seriously. Learn something new you can take to the Sierras, Cascades, Tetons and Alaska Range like I have since my early trad days in JT. Do the words, "nut up" have any significance for you?
rfshore

Trad climber
Ventura, CA
Mar 21, 2012 - 02:37pm PT
Bernadette = JT's greatest climbing resource.

Let's not over-bolt her.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Mar 21, 2012 - 04:34pm PT
Hey, Sprock, Father will hear Confession at 4:20.
Kironn Kid

Trad climber
Mar 21, 2012 - 10:44pm PT

What's the issue-problem? Put up your new route with clean pro, or no pro! if you aren't up to the task, come when you are, or leave it for another generation.

Russ
locker

Social climber
CO
Mar 21, 2012 - 11:27pm PT


First and only post...

"Dudes and Dudette's,

I learned to trad climb in JT over a period of 10 days. Came down from Anchorage the day after Christmas 1999, camped in the park and got spanked on any number of 'easy' bolted routes but fell in love with the place. I endeavored to perservere, bought some trad gear at the local climbing shop and gave it a go. Consequently I have a very limited amount of patience for whiny sport route gym rats crying for more bolted climbs in JT. Just back away from the bolt gun and embrace your inner trad child. Seriously. Learn something new you can take to the Sierras, Cascades, Tetons and Alaska Range like I have since my early trad days in JT. Do the words, "nut up" have any significance for you?"
...


As is my usual feeling when I see someone TRYING to start something...

I'm going with, "TROLL"...

Tony Bird

climber
Northridge, CA
Mar 22, 2012 - 11:18am PT
if he were that tough, he'd'a stayed in alaska.
jstan

climber
Mar 24, 2012 - 11:17pm PT
As far as I could tell everyone had a great time at today's JT work party. It was very well organized and led with its major task the replanting of the old roadway north of intersection rock. I would guess there were 50-80 people working including a large group of youngsters from a climbing gym and a very substantial representation of the AAC. Way to go!

We planted about 175 of the 216 seedlings the people of the NPS had been preparing for the last two years for this precise project. So that the genetic adaptations existing among flora there might be continued, the seeds for all of the plantings had been gathered from that very area. All of them will be watered every two weeks or so for the next two years. A major commitment of time and energy.

For some of the holes we had to dig down through the old road base. But for that we would have got all 216 planted. All the artificial materials had been successfully removed however. The road contractor had done an excellent job. The kids were up to their task and pushed ahead no matter what they ran into.


A really great day of climbing.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Mar 24, 2012 - 11:36pm PT
For some of the holes we had to dig down through the old road base.

Good thing they had an expert - jstan - to help with that. All that work at Cathedral Beach paying off. Hopefully someone will post some photos.
FreeCoffee

Trad climber
Joshua Tree, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 25, 2012 - 02:26pm PT
Credit: FreeCoffee

Thank you for helping with the reveg project.

Bernadette
TYeary

Social climber
State of decay
Mar 25, 2012 - 03:55pm PT
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This is the kind of "JT Ethics" I like to see. A group of volunteers planted over 200 shrubs in a re-vegetation project at Hidden Valley near Intersection Rock. Thanks to everyone who worked so hard, including friends new and old, John Stannard, Kris Solem, Kp, Kevin Trieu and Wendy Conlon, Seth Kovar, Jim Pinter-Lucke, SW Section Chair AAC, and Jeff Deikis, SW Regional Cordinator, AAC.
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tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Mar 25, 2012 - 04:45pm PT
Tony bird. one of the biggest missconceptions out there is that trad climbing is some super secret hard core skill that only the godly ones can achieve.. total BS! It ain't rocket science> it's just climbing. yes a rack is pricey but most of the gear lasts forever or close to it. A stopper is about the same price as a rack of hippy beer. #1 Every time you are about to waste money on junk food, chew tobacco, cigeretts, beer or any other non essentual item don't! buy a piece of trad gear instead. #2 use that trad gear every time you go out climbing. lead somthing dammit instead of lugging a shiny rack arround and hanging it on a branch near the rest of your shwag while you TR all day! follow these 2 simple rules and in two seasons you wil be getting up multi pitch trad within a grade of your sport comfort zone. k
jstan

climber
Mar 25, 2012 - 04:56pm PT
I feel quite badly about my earlier post. Bernadette and her NPS coworkers put two years of hard professional work into making this happen and spent all the effort required to gather everyone together. And then I hopped in after doing very little. I apologize.

The NPS realizes it is our park, not theirs. We have to come out and support our park. It is necessary we do this for reasons well beyond just the project at hand. An example. I can sit here and complain about gym climbers and young people without end. But if we all go out and work together to achieve a shared goal - everything changes. When I go to an NPS meeting where the various user groups provide their input as to how our park should be used, I won't look at gym climbers and young people as - them.

The NPS cannot manage our parks for our benefit unless they can first get us together.

Several centuries ago I did the last climb where I was only interested in finding out whether I could do it. When I got the answer I had the feeling that this was the end. Yesterday in JT I had only the feeling that this is the beginning.

A world of difference.
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