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Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
Feb 11, 2012 - 03:44am PT
Well said Chris. You are a true anarchist, in a good way. We are only as good as we let ourselves be.
aguacaliente

climber
Feb 11, 2012 - 05:10am PT
as a mostly lurker and one who tries to stay out of the more acrimonious stuff ... thanks very much Chris for everything you have done here, hosting this space, and this message too.

It's not an easy thing to create a community, I get the impression a lot of people tried that in real life in the 60s-70s with very mixed results, and after over 15 years online in various places I can see it's not easy in electronic space either. Your attempt to stay mostly hands off yet keep things from getting out of hand is both admirable and, never mind the glitches, I think impressively successful.
QITNL

climber
Feb 11, 2012 - 05:44am PT
Success!

For the first time in years, the Anti-Republicans rant is no longer front page news.

Let's keep it like that. Thanks, Chris.
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Feb 11, 2012 - 09:38am PT
You are a true anarchist, in a good way.

Let freedom reign!


The enemies of freedom are those whose behavior causes other people to start making rules, then laws, then hiring police.
tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Feb 11, 2012 - 10:32am PT
Chris, I think you are going about this all right. Take your time, make the moves you have been making with the Forum, spend time building gearlab etc. and whack the moles in as little time/effort/energy as possible.

Then go play!
Silver

Big Wall climber
Nor Nev
Feb 11, 2012 - 10:55am PT
Bravo!

I like the 2012 possibilities you created. Take action now and lets see where we are in December.
Barbarian

Trad climber
New and Bionic too!
Feb 11, 2012 - 10:57am PT
I like your goals for the forum. Thanks for spelling them out so clearly.
I also liked seeing so many climbing threads on page 1 this morning! That's why I'm here.

My goals? First - get this brace off may back and get back on the rock. Second - Last time I was up on the Big Stone was Nov 1981. Seems like a long enough break. El Cap 2013!
Swami Jr.

Trad climber
Bath, NY
Feb 11, 2012 - 11:08am PT
Well said Chris. Thanks for your work.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Feb 11, 2012 - 11:12am PT
Goals are fine but you're dealing with the reality of the ST community which will continue to support threads with a high religious, political or gossip content.
'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
Feb 11, 2012 - 11:15am PT
Everyone who posts here needs to read this. Especiallly people who post too much non-climbing stuff.

Chris:

I get what you are saying about knott moderating. The last thing anyone has time to do is go around editing other people's posts. Good.

You also say that you don't offer warnings to people who are crossing the line, but that when they do cross the line, you simply whack-a-mole them, often in response to emails of complaint from other forum users.

May I suggest one change to this strategy? If you start to receive repeated complaints about a user, have a form letter to that effect that you can email to this person, something along the lines of, "you are being an idiot, and unless you clean up your act starting right now, we will delete you." Send it once and then if the person doesn't heed, delete them. This seems more than fair, since your video post also suggests that you are willing to consider the petitions of those you ban, which is a good thing to do.

I think such a warning strategy might save us months of wading through annoying, irrelevant and unproductive posts from people like fattrad.

Here is an example - someone who has made 300 posts since January 22, all of which are non climbing. Clearly this is in direct opposition to Chris' forum goals outlined above:

http://www.supertopo.com/inc/view_forum.php?cur=280&dcid=ODM8NTo8OCc,&ftr=

The person linked above does knott even climb, and has cluttered this forum with over 21,000 annoying posts! Do you realize that this single non-climber user has made more than ONE PER CENT of all posts on this CLIMBING forum? You talk about one person using too much bandwidth unfairly. Take a look at the average number of words this person makes per post, and apply that to the one per cent above. How does it grow then? Two per cent? Three per cent? Do you "get" what I am saying here? If you are going to pull a few weeds out of your garden, this one might be worth pulling, too.

Thanks, Chris. It's excellent to know that you read emails, and act on them.

Cheers,
Pete
Ferretlegger

Trad climber
san Jose, CA
Feb 11, 2012 - 11:27am PT
Thanks for the wonderful response, Chris! When you started all this, you could not have imagined the great value that the forum would have for so many of us. We reconnect with long lost friends, trade beta and get advice, support each other, read about amazing adventures of others and re-live some of our own. THis forum is a unique and valuable resource for many people and as noted above, has some of the best history of climbing to be found anywhere. Many thanks for putting up with us and for keeping the forum up and running.

Best wishes,
Michael
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Feb 11, 2012 - 11:40am PT
If you are going to pull a few weeds out of your garden, this one [LEB] might be worth pulling, too.


+1
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Feb 11, 2012 - 12:05pm PT
Great goals all, Chris.

Just an observation.....

Over the 2 1/2 years I have been hanging around this fire, I have had opportunity to meet in person many of the posters here, including many that post what I consider to be harsh, rude, insensitive, and downright nasty things. However, in person, these same posters are actually quite wonderful people.

What confounds me is why so many must be so outrageously nasty while around the virtual campfire. It's almost as if a whole different personality, ala Sybil, is inherent in countless people here.

Perhaps if everyone would treat others as if you were talking to them as a guest in your home, the issues that can plague this place would melt away. We might all end up with more friends as well....a pretty nice result, in my opinion.

Cheers,
DR
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Feb 11, 2012 - 12:26pm PT
It's called the 'Online disinhibition effect' Cragman. It's not only here on the taco, but other sites, emails, etc. Puzzles me as well. I try to only be me here and in person, but know of folks that revel in being the biggest tool they can online. Baffles me.
Hankster

Social climber
Zakynthos
Feb 11, 2012 - 12:27pm PT
see I'm the opposite, I tone it WAAAAY down around here. I'm a much bigger freak in person. not mean tho.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Feb 11, 2012 - 12:29pm PT
Crag, see my imploration on the 'Basically' thread.
locker

Social climber
CO
Feb 11, 2012 - 12:31pm PT
I am the same here, as I am anywhere...

Generally a total fuk off...(Edited: actually, like Hank, I am probably MORE controled, here)...

;-)

JOEY.F

Gym climber
It's not rocket surgery
Feb 11, 2012 - 12:31pm PT
you can always keep your expenses even lower. (And grab leftover pizza from the Curry Deck when necessary

That made me hungry.
Were it not for this forum, I would not have met some great new friends and been re-united with old friends.
Excellent goals, and many thanks CMac!
tarek

climber
berkeley
Feb 11, 2012 - 12:46pm PT
Threads bumped by some views x posts algorithm.
+1
Oliv3r

Trad climber
SF
Feb 11, 2012 - 12:50pm PT
It would be cool to be able to look at posts in order of the original post date, instead of just the most recently updated.
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