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stinkeye

climber
NORCAL
Feb 13, 2012 - 03:16pm PT
Hi Arne;

Thanks for the guidebook, I'll try and look at it soon.

Here is something I have been sending to a VERY few, carefully selected ST Posters. It's gone out to a dozen or two people so far, mostly women actually. Your last letter makes me think you might be sympathic to the issue...

I have a message from Chris Mac that he actually suggested I share. As the world now knows, I talked with him over the weekend on the phone. (From the posts on the Topo, you'd think I called Homeland Security or something.) He said he will review everybodys concerns with a more decent site if you will email your stories/feelings to him and include the word "COMPLAINT!" in the subject line so he SEES it. He get hundreds of email spam a day, and just doesn't read most of it.

Do it SOON. It came from HIS mouth. "EMAIL THOSE YOU THINK HAVE A PROBLEM AND ASK THEM TO EMAIL ME" (or words to that effect).

I publically (online) complained about some of the things I was annoyed with, and THAT caused a fuss, when it got out.

I don't like the atmosphere on ST any longer. People are being dumped on, almost constantly. If some don't like what is being said, they have developed techniques to destroy th conversation. I did it, a lot of people are doing it, some much more than most. Especially to the women. Some have had all manner of vile things done, and not just on the site or with words. I have gotten some emails from some of the girls and they have had outrageous problems. There is NO reason women should be treated so poorly.

And I suppose somehow Men must fit in there too.

Many people have had pretty major problems just being nice decent people on that site, and its almost ALL from the same Five Guys. LOCKER and the four hoursemen; Pate, Skipt, Cosmic and the other guy, I can't remember his name.

One woman we ALL respect had pictures of her sold/given to a porno site with HER REAL NAME. She just got married, and says she does NOT post TR reports any more, because she is afraid of what would happen. I have had SEVERAL stories now sent to me like that.

One woman reports she has had all manner of lies about her sex life posted until when she Google's her name, she says the pages are full of it, and other things. Just "fun and games". Nothing serious, right? (Right.)

LEB right now has a photo circulating (FAKE) of HER on her knees with triple E's dragging the floor, its AWFUL. And a pack of bastards bitching that she wasn't pretty as a young woman. Its NOT true and its MEAN and VULGAR and calculated to HURT for NO reason. ITs a VICIOUS attack. It's certainly NOT funny or gentle and playful. They drove her away once, they want to do it again. Her only real "crime" is a baffling desire to talk with climbers. I don't understand it, but its there.

And then their are MY problems, that I never actually have explained, (and won't), but PISS ME OFF. I see no reason to accept a hatchet job like Lockers "amusing" campaign as "fun"

PLEASE pass this on to any others you think would be interested and have had problems, But DON'T let this get out to the Bad Actors, we already know what they think acceptable behaviour is.. DON'T TRUST FATTRAD for instance! If in doubt, leave them OUT. Far better too few than to be drowned out by spambots like Locker and Cosmo.

If we do it quickly, Chris's email list should begin to look pretty interesting with "COMPLAINT!!!" showing up over and over in the subject line, and the same kind of issues in the body of the message.

PLEASE don't hold back, this is it, Be BOLD and HARSH and TRUTHFUL, and MAYBE he will take some action in slapping down those who are causing so much pain. If nothing else, just say how you'd like to see the hurtful behaviour cut back a LITTLE bit.

It's NOT about censorship, it about maintaining a place where discussion and discourse can be had without it being shouted down by FIVE guys who can make a HUNDRED POSTS AN HOUR to drown out that discussion. And we KNOW that when THAT doesn't work, they do REALLY dirty tricks. ESPECIALLY to the WOMEN! There is NO excuse for that.

I believe we can actually make a change for the better. At least for a while.

I DON'T think this should get out to the general population of the Supertopo website just yet. Please allow the women especially to have a chance to say their piece,

Anyway, thats what I sent out to a couple dozen people total. It sounds sorta whiny even to me, but I don't know what else to do. I'm not used to trying to be an activist.

If you were just to copy your last email and forward it to Crhis Mac at Chris@supertopo.com, it would be enough.

Thanks;
Lance.

That is hilarious. Hahahahahaha
locker

Social climber
CO
Feb 13, 2012 - 03:22pm PT


" its almost ALL from the same Five Guys. LOCKER and the four hoursemen; Pate, Skipt, Cosmic and the other guy, I can't remember his name."...

It's Rokjox...

;-)

Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Feb 13, 2012 - 03:35pm PT
Ive been reading this site since its inception and the past few years have watched it circle the drain as far as any worthwhile content.

If you really believe that, I'm VERY curious what you consider "worthwhile" content.

I've been reading and writing on this forum since the get-go, back when we didn't even need a username or login. The content here in the last few years is vastly superior in every way. There may be twice as much offtopic bs and vitriol too, but some of that comes along as a natural byproduct ofthe 10-fold increase in users over that time. The whole notion that suddenly all the posters of "worthwhile" content packed up and went away is comical.

mike m

Trad climber
black hills
Feb 13, 2012 - 03:42pm PT
Had a student check and they could not access the site as well. If employers are starting to block due to inappropriate material there will be a lot less posting. Do you know how hard it is to type on a phone.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
Feb 13, 2012 - 03:44pm PT
Ive been reading this site since its inception and the past few years have watched it circle the drain as far as any worthwhile content.

Then again, its website value is hardly circling the drain. Instead, I would characterize it as... WINNING!
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Feb 13, 2012 - 04:14pm PT
Mike, typically if you are being blocked by a filter at your employer, it will alert you that you've triggered the filter. I get blocked from all kinds of places that are silly, for example if it is classified as a "blog" I can't access it, even if it's say Time Magazine's regular news coverage but calls itself a blog.

Google pics is blocked by one server, but I can re=route through our alternate and the it's not. "Personal" sites are blocked, but they allow access to Facebook (a serious case of WTF?!).

It is very, very unlikely that recent content on the forums has anything to do with your access issues.
Roger Breedlove

climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
Feb 13, 2012 - 04:24pm PT
Well, not that we are having a serious discussion about the issues of blocking users, here is Chris all-the-time-Farley working his way around prohibitions on talking to women.


photo not found
Missing photo ID#237378
Roger Breedlove

climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
Feb 13, 2012 - 05:26pm PT
Wow, so many words when a picture would do:

photo not found
Missing photo ID#237386


Is there no end of Chris Farley all-the-time Farley: a jacket with a too much stuffing just waiting to explode. Just a tiny little prick and whoosh, it all comes out.
ionlyski

Trad climber
Kalispell, Montana
Feb 13, 2012 - 06:00pm PT
So, nowadays you're on the warpath then and treat everybody like sh#t, is that it? That's what it looks like to me.

What's really funny is how you were just brown nosing Locker and dogpiling on me about whining and then we get to see who's really the whiner. Locker knows.

Oh, my sides are aching right now, this is really fun!
Roger Breedlove

climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
Feb 13, 2012 - 07:07pm PT
This, campers, is why SuperTopo sucks: Chris starts a thread on his thoughts about the Forum and Rokjox and Ionlyski (but it could have been any number of other posters) have a snit, about something, but god only knows what.

Even Chris Farley went home early.
ionlyski

Trad climber
Kalispell, Montana
Feb 13, 2012 - 08:02pm PT
No different from you then Roger. Cloggin up the thread with all your Farley crap. I couldn't figure out why you were doing that; kind of like the ponies I guess. Anyway, I agree with you and that's my point.

Rokjox/Lance, relax. I wouldn't have pulled that out after you gave it in trust but you don't look so good right now. Go back to version 1. You don't make a very good bully. You're doing exactly what you were crying about before. It doesn't matter if it's women or not. Your spray of hate stinks.

Arne
locker

Social climber
CO
Feb 13, 2012 - 08:14pm PT

"Locker and I is OK currently, so far as I know, and that's all I got to say about that. Frankly, I hope it stays that way."...


Can't see why it wouldn't...


"water under the bridge"...


;-)
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Feb 13, 2012 - 08:20pm PT
Arno Ilgner wrote the Warrior's Way. Not the Arne you are having a conversation with. Totally different people.
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Feb 13, 2012 - 08:24pm PT
No problem Rox. Happy to help. Similar names. Think it'd be easy to get them mixed up. I enjoyed the book as well. Should probably reread it.
ionlyski

Trad climber
Kalispell, Montana
Feb 13, 2012 - 08:50pm PT
Take it easy Sir Rokjox.
I don't like to fight but will when called out. One of my weaknesses.






















But if you don't start being nicer to people, I'm calling you Lance.....
cleo

Social climber
the canyon below the Ditch!!!!
Feb 13, 2012 - 10:03pm PT
IGNORING THE SNIT ABOVE... Here's a suggestion for CMAC:


Add a "Flag as Inappropriate Button".

Have a database - if a particular user's posts are frequently flagged by a large number if different people, then take a look: if you agree, dump the person.


(the different people requirement prevents a single poster from getting many, many flags from the same person, possibly as revenge. There are other ways of doing that - e.g. limiting each poster to one flag per day, or something)
Todd Gordon

Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
Feb 13, 2012 - 11:27pm PT
I appreciate the supertopo forum..........I enjoy the greatness, ignore the stuff that does not interest me, stay away from the negetive posts as much as possible, and try to contribe meaningful, entertaining, and upbeat posts......supertopo is like an awesome buffet.....just choose what you like for your plate, don't get what you don't like, don't over-eat, and enjoy what you pick.......
guyman

Trad climber
Moorpark, CA.
Feb 13, 2012 - 11:44pm PT
Have a database - if a particular user's posts are frequently flagged by a large number if different people, then take a look: if you agree, dump the person.

Good Idea.

I love the Taco for many reasons:

Most salient are: The Totem Pole thread, Castle Rock Spire, Stoney Point, Southern Sierra and many, many more show the true value of ST.

Many of the "old gang" are right here... almost everyday.

It is sort of how camp 4 was BITD... you needed to be tough and stand up for yourself. If you let folks know something was getting under your skin, you could get piled on fast. But that is just the way climbers are. But one thing was clear, one didn't HATE on someone. You dont like a person,-fine, give em room and look for room for yourself. As long as they climbed and had respect for the Stone they could stay at the fire.

But if some ass started breaking into cars, stealing gear, pissing on tents and otherwise acting in a horrible fashion... it was time to go get the RANGER.....

C Mac: like it or knot you need to be the Ranger.

Please follow your heart and do what you must do to save this place.

OH Yea, to answer the topic... 3 goals on the Forum: (same as my climbing) #1:Be Positive #2 Stay Positive #3 Play nice

Thank you for the video.

Guy Keesee



guyman

Trad climber
Moorpark, CA.
Feb 13, 2012 - 11:58pm PT
I appreciate the supertopo forum..........I enjoy the greatness, ignore the stuff that does not interest me, stay away from the negetive posts as much as possible, and try to contribe meaningful, entertaining, and upbeat posts......supertopo is like an awesome buffet.....just choose what you like for your plate, don't get what you don't like, don't over-eat, and enjoy what you pick......

Todd, I agree, but what do you do if a big STEAMER gets tossed into the BLANQUETTE DE VEAU???? Sort of hard to eat around it.
T H

Boulder climber
bouldering
Feb 14, 2012 - 12:35am PT
The messaging function should probably be turned off. Seems like alot of dubious stuff is being spread under the radar (so to speak). If I need to say something that important to you, I can look up your number in the phonebook.
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