Harvey T. Carter Appreciation Thread

Search
Go

Discussion Topic

Return to Forum List
Post a Reply
Messages 1 - 20 of total 66 in this topic << First  |  < Previous  |  Show All  |  Next >  |  Last >>
stich

Trad climber
Colorado Springs, Colorado
Topic Author's Original Post - Feb 10, 2012 - 12:58pm PT
Harvey was in a hospice when I started this thread, but he just passed away today on 3/13/12. I just thought it would be nice to have an appreciation thread for him here on the Taco.

As you may know, Harvey started Climbing Magazine in Colorado Springs back in the day. The first cover photo was from Garden of the Gods.

Here's a little profile Stewart Green wrote:

http://climbing.about.com/b/2008/06/05/harvey-t-carter-profile.htm

Photo by Michael Kennedy
Photo by Michael Kennedy
Credit: stich

This is an article about a route Harvey put up with Michael Kennedy in Glenwood Canyon back in 1976.

http://www.climbing.com/exclusive/above/the_international_of_glenwood_canyon/

A previous thread about Harvey and Beckey

http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1672618/The-Fred-Beckey-Harvey-T-Carter-myth-buster

Anyone else have some stories about Harvey they would like to share?
Jeremy

Social climber
Albuquerque, NM
Feb 10, 2012 - 01:20pm PT
Harvey T. Carter =American Legend

BUMP FOR HARVEY!!!!
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Feb 10, 2012 - 02:12pm PT
Harvey is a unique individual and an important climbing pioneer.

I hope he is not feeling poorlyl.
ydpl8s

Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
Feb 10, 2012 - 05:02pm PT
A legend!, Northcutt Carter in 56? that was a feat.

In the Gazette article it talks about how he invented a new climbing rating system that was more acurate. Does anyone know any of the particulars concerning that system?
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Feb 10, 2012 - 06:25pm PT
Wasn't there an article in Climbing about John Sherman and Rob Slater trying to repeat all the spires in the Fishers, including ones previously climbed by Harvey. They found lots of heinous free climbing done by Carter many years before that they started describing as something like "much Harvey-ness". I thought that was a classic line.

Out here in California, the guy probably doesn't get his fair due since his name isn't imprinted on the landscape.
SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Feb 10, 2012 - 06:26pm PT

Bump for Harvey. Best wishes to him.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Feb 10, 2012 - 09:11pm PT
Wishing a legend well. As goes Harvey, so will we all soon enough follow.
jogill

climber
Colorado
Feb 10, 2012 - 09:23pm PT
Kudos to a pioneering great here in Colorado.
BooYah

Social climber
Ely, Nv
Feb 10, 2012 - 10:52pm PT
Harvey is a Legend of Mud. And Dirt. And some really cool spots.
Some terrible rap anchors, though. Scary!
chill

climber
between the flat part and the blue wobbly thing
Feb 11, 2012 - 02:17am PT
While living in the Springs in the early '80s I took a trip to Indian Creek with Harvey and Steve "Muff" Cheney. While Steve and I were up on a route in Fringe of Death we could hear Harvey walking along the base, trundling rocks. Every once in a while we'd hear a loud "horseshit!" from below. I never did figure out what had pissed him off. Right after that a huge snow storm blew in and we had a circuitous epic getting back, culminating in the three of us stuck on a remote pass and Harvey saying, dead serious, that we were going stay right there until the Governor of New Mexico came and plowed us out.
He had strong opinions about climbing and his place in it and he inspired a lot of arguments, but there was no enmity in them, it was just Harvey and his wacky ideas.

At that time he was intent on building his ski area on the back side of Pikes Peak and was in a death match with the Forest Service. That was my impression of him, a character and a fighter.
Barbarian

Trad climber
New and Bionic too!
Feb 11, 2012 - 10:07am PT
I have the greatest respect and admiration for Harvey. He put up a few routes that made me dirty my drawers BITD...truly sketchy stuff! Great routes too! Never got a chance to climb with him, but clipped into a number of drilled angles he placed.
You are right that he doesn't get the respect or recognition he deserves.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Feb 11, 2012 - 10:37am PT
I also put up a couple of routes in Glenwood Canyon in '76 while there teaching at CMC (there's an I-70 tunnel entrance through one of them now). Climbing on the granite and pegmatite, sure - up on that limestone sh#t up top - not a friggin' chance! Met Michael at the time, but never did run into Harvey, though you had the sense he was everywhere.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Feb 11, 2012 - 10:39am PT
A very prolific and enduring climber, my best to him.
crunch

Social climber
CO
Feb 11, 2012 - 01:47pm PT
Nice thread. I spent a couple hours with Harvey a few weeks ago, catching up, and he seemed to be doing real well, upbeat. Sorry to hear of this news.

He's certainly one of the great pioneering Colorado climbers of the old school. The Harvey Carter routes in the Fisher Towers are testament to his drive, strength, stubbornness and refusal to be intimidated by anything.

Rob Slater used to refer to Harvey as His Royal Harveyness in recognition of Harvey's groundbreaking desert routes. Wherever Rob went, Harvey had been there first.

Here's a photo from about 2005:

Harvey T. Carter
Harvey T. Carter
Credit: crunch

A pic from one of his finest moments, summit of Titan after the FA of the Sundevil Chimney, April 28, 1971:

Left to right: Tom Merrill, Bob Sullivan, Harvey Carter. Photo taken b...
Left to right: Tom Merrill, Bob Sullivan, Harvey Carter. Photo taken by Ken Wyrick.
From the Harvey Carter Collection
Credit: crunch

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Feb 11, 2012 - 02:19pm PT
Met all three and climbed with or next to them in '76.

Are Sullivan or Merill on the taco?


Is Harvey being looked after well?
DanaB

climber
CT
Feb 11, 2012 - 02:48pm PT
Local Philadelphia climber Mike Cohen told us he climbed with Harvey. I can't remember the details, but Mike and Harvey were out in the desert somewhere, and Mike was in some sort of untenable position on a route. He asked for help, Harvey told him that he didn't need any help, Mike insisted he did and Harvey told him, "Well, stay there then. You can stay there and rot in the bat sh#t for all I care."
stich

Trad climber
Colorado Springs, Colorado
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 11, 2012 - 03:06pm PT
Rot in bat shit! Ha ha ha.
Allen Hill

Social climber
CO.
Feb 11, 2012 - 05:03pm PT
From what I understand he's being well cared for by Annie and his friend Larry. People are stepping by and spending good time with him as well. I have some good stories but the best was the morning he stopped by my house with a twelve pack of Lucky Lager and proposed that I should marry his daughter. Problem was she was getting married that very afternoon and no it wasn't me she was marrying. He's in the direct line of American rock climbing history; Ellingwood, Ormes, Harvey T.
Allen Hill

Social climber
CO.
Feb 13, 2012 - 02:30am PT
Harvey bump. I have email contact if anyone wants to get him a note in the next day or so. I'm sure he'd dig it while he can. Let me know.
stich

Trad climber
Colorado Springs, Colorado
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 28, 2012 - 05:33pm PT
Hey, time for a bump. Stewart Green and Layton Kor are going to visit Harvey again tomorrow. I thought I might collect these great little stories for him to listen to.

Anyone else want to yank his chain and give him a laugh?
Messages 1 - 20 of total 66 in this topic << First  |  < Previous  |  Show All  |  Next >  |  Last >>
Return to Forum List
Post a Reply
 
Our Guidebooks
Check 'em out!
SuperTopo Guidebooks


Try a free sample topo!

 
SuperTopo on the Web

Review Categories
Recent Route Beta
Recent Gear Reviews