Jeremy
Social climber
Albuquerque, NM
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Feb 10, 2012 - 10:20am PT
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Harvey T. Carter =American Legend
BUMP FOR HARVEY!!!!
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Feb 10, 2012 - 11:12am PT
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Harvey is a unique individual and an important climbing pioneer.
I hope he is not feeling poorlyl.
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ydpl8s
Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
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Feb 10, 2012 - 02:02pm PT
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A legend!, Northcutt Carter in 56? that was a feat.
In the Gazette article it talks about how he invented a new climbing rating system that was more acurate. Does anyone know any of the particulars concerning that system?
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Feb 10, 2012 - 03:25pm PT
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Wasn't there an article in Climbing about John Sherman and Rob Slater trying to repeat all the spires in the Fishers, including ones previously climbed by Harvey. They found lots of heinous free climbing done by Carter many years before that they started describing as something like "much Harvey-ness". I thought that was a classic line.
Out here in California, the guy probably doesn't get his fair due since his name isn't imprinted on the landscape.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Feb 10, 2012 - 03:26pm PT
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Bump for Harvey. Best wishes to him.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Feb 10, 2012 - 06:11pm PT
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Wishing a legend well. As goes Harvey, so will we all soon enough follow.
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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Feb 10, 2012 - 06:23pm PT
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Kudos to a pioneering great here in Colorado.
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BooYah
Social climber
Ely, Nv
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Feb 10, 2012 - 07:52pm PT
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Harvey is a Legend of Mud. And Dirt. And some really cool spots.
Some terrible rap anchors, though. Scary!
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chill
climber
between the flat part and the blue wobbly thing
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Feb 10, 2012 - 11:17pm PT
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While living in the Springs in the early '80s I took a trip to Indian Creek with Harvey and Steve "Muff" Cheney. While Steve and I were up on a route in Fringe of Death we could hear Harvey walking along the base, trundling rocks. Every once in a while we'd hear a loud "horseshit!" from below. I never did figure out what had pissed him off. Right after that a huge snow storm blew in and we had a circuitous epic getting back, culminating in the three of us stuck on a remote pass and Harvey saying, dead serious, that we were going stay right there until the Governor of New Mexico came and plowed us out.
He had strong opinions about climbing and his place in it and he inspired a lot of arguments, but there was no enmity in them, it was just Harvey and his wacky ideas.
At that time he was intent on building his ski area on the back side of Pikes Peak and was in a death match with the Forest Service. That was my impression of him, a character and a fighter.
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Barbarian
Trad climber
New and Bionic too!
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Feb 11, 2012 - 07:07am PT
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I have the greatest respect and admiration for Harvey. He put up a few routes that made me dirty my drawers BITD...truly sketchy stuff! Great routes too! Never got a chance to climb with him, but clipped into a number of drilled angles he placed.
You are right that he doesn't get the respect or recognition he deserves.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Feb 11, 2012 - 07:37am PT
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I also put up a couple of routes in Glenwood Canyon in '76 while there teaching at CMC (there's an I-70 tunnel entrance through one of them now). Climbing on the granite and pegmatite, sure - up on that limestone sh#t up top - not a friggin' chance! Met Michael at the time, but never did run into Harvey, though you had the sense he was everywhere.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Feb 11, 2012 - 07:39am PT
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A very prolific and enduring climber, my best to him.
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crunch
Social climber
CO
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Feb 11, 2012 - 10:47am PT
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Nice thread. I spent a couple hours with Harvey a few weeks ago, catching up, and he seemed to be doing real well, upbeat. Sorry to hear of this news.
He's certainly one of the great pioneering Colorado climbers of the old school. The Harvey Carter routes in the Fisher Towers are testament to his drive, strength, stubbornness and refusal to be intimidated by anything.
Rob Slater used to refer to Harvey as His Royal Harveyness in recognition of Harvey's groundbreaking desert routes. Wherever Rob went, Harvey had been there first.
Here's a photo from about 2005:
A pic from one of his finest moments, summit of Titan after the FA of the Sundevil Chimney, April 28, 1971:
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Feb 11, 2012 - 11:19am PT
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Met all three and climbed with or next to them in '76.
Are Sullivan or Merill on the taco?
Is Harvey being looked after well?
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DanaB
climber
CT
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Feb 11, 2012 - 11:48am PT
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Local Philadelphia climber Mike Cohen told us he climbed with Harvey. I can't remember the details, but Mike and Harvey were out in the desert somewhere, and Mike was in some sort of untenable position on a route. He asked for help, Harvey told him that he didn't need any help, Mike insisted he did and Harvey told him, "Well, stay there then. You can stay there and rot in the bat sh#t for all I care."
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stich
Trad climber
Colorado Springs, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 11, 2012 - 12:06pm PT
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Rot in bat shit! Ha ha ha.
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Allen Hill
Social climber
CO.
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Feb 11, 2012 - 02:03pm PT
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From what I understand he's being well cared for by Annie and his friend Larry. People are stepping by and spending good time with him as well. I have some good stories but the best was the morning he stopped by my house with a twelve pack of Lucky Lager and proposed that I should marry his daughter. Problem was she was getting married that very afternoon and no it wasn't me she was marrying. He's in the direct line of American rock climbing history; Ellingwood, Ormes, Harvey T.
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Allen Hill
Social climber
CO.
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Feb 12, 2012 - 11:30pm PT
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Harvey bump. I have email contact if anyone wants to get him a note in the next day or so. I'm sure he'd dig it while he can. Let me know.
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stich
Trad climber
Colorado Springs, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 28, 2012 - 02:33pm PT
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Hey, time for a bump. Stewart Green and Layton Kor are going to visit Harvey again tomorrow. I thought I might collect these great little stories for him to listen to.
Anyone else want to yank his chain and give him a laugh?
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