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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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I checked his new ID (The Tool) and that one is gone as well.
WTF?
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Weschrist got nuked too.
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2012 - 07:20pm PT
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Is MTucker next?
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Wes's nuking was partially my fault, though I claim no responsibility.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Fort Mental also
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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thaDood, also got nuked!!
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Prod
Trad climber
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What'd they do?
Prod.
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nutjob
Gym climber
Berkeley, CA
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Wow, is there a new sheriff in town? Is there an administrative effort to kill political threads or were there some crossing-the-line behaviors?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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what took so long?
Why would you say that? Just because you disagreed with him ideologically?
He was never obscene like Wes and Fort Mental.
EDIT: Eric, I know Fort Mental was posting relentless pics of LEB with a penis on her head (in typical childish fashion).
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Feb 9, 2012 - 04:26pm PT
What'd they do?
Prod.
As far as Wes is concerned, nothing too bad. A mildly questionable photo.
Not sure what thread it was on.
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2012 - 07:29pm PT
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One thing I would say... it's probably not a good idea to be a total dick in a thread that CMac started.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Regarding which nuked poster, Nature?
I enjoyed reading Wes's science posts.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Well....when a person's primary motive for posting is to antagonize, and doesn't have the decency to even make it climbing-related - what can they expect, really?
I like Fatty in person. But I just do not understand why he cannot seem to NOT post those "I'm connected" or "I can get you tooled" comments each and every frigging time he posts! Why not post genuine comments from your own damned heart?
I do NOT get the "troll as a personna" stance, and frankly - if that is the seemingly sole reason for existence, the site is better off without it.
It might be a good thing, if people are being deleted for paeticular behaviors which have been accepted over the years, for the admin to post a "This is the shite that will get you canned" and give people a chance to STFU with the content that is not wanted.
I have heard quite a few climbers don't come to Supertopo anymore because of the BS, but never saw it with my own eyes. But the other day - I did see a comment, from a person who would be VERY much desired for the stories and experience they could share here - who said they stay away because of the BS.
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Gene
climber
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Fattrad is getting water boarded at Gitmo.
Should I post that to the karma thread?
g
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Did not agree with fatty politicaly but he was not to my knowlege a stalker or offensive poster other than stupid stuff.
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Gene
climber
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Gene just posted and when I went and checked his profile I was surprised to see that he too has just been deleted...
Damn! I miss that guy already.
X
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2012 - 07:42pm PT
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Regarding which nuked poster, Nature?
fattrad
Fattrad is getting water boarded at Gitmo.
Should I post that to the karma thread?
you'd make a believer out of Dr.F!
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Given the recent spring cleaning, I can only assume that the admins see Locker as their puppy who pees on the rug, as they look away.
Love 'ya Locker, but you put some questionable pictures up pretty regularly.
Edit; Admins, don't tase me bros!
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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The question I would then ask is WHERE exactly does that person post if he or she posts at all???...
Locker - this is a person you would probably kowtow with "just kidding, man" if you were at a campfire and made that comment, only to turn around and see him a few feet away.
Not everyone uses the climbing discussion forums to post garbage and while away the hours(like myself). Some people really do want to post creative writings/trip reports/images, talk about clmbing-related topics, even poop stories fit that theme. But when one or two people get in a thread and hijack it with inflammatory trash - it isn't really funny, except to others who....forums to post garbage and while away the hours(like myself).
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2012 - 07:44pm PT
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my guess is fatty will be back. he's been given a time out. put in the dunce corner with a hat on. he'll be peeing on carpets again in no time.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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It would be easy to kill the political stuff just burry it in a seperate forum. neclimbs has a forun calling Climbing Not. very little to no action there.. Rc.noob is the same way with the political stuff burried in a forun that you may choose to go to but can stay away easily..
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Sh#t, now I'm nuked for calling Locker a puppy.
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Dos XX
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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If Werner goes, we're doomed :-(
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jstan
climber
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While I cannot test the notion that ST has been hacked, I doubt it. Why would anyone bother?
But, if you will, note that individuals apparently disabled have all been posting out of character of late. Jeff never used to post like he has recently. Nor have FM or Wes. All, frankly, valuable contributors.
Chris is trying to send a message.
Edit:
Locker's being banned is like Janet Jackson's wardrobe malfunction.
A good time is had by all.
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WBraun
climber
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Google search engine see's everything here.
Chris probably wants a cleaner more respectable site.
Lot of stuff is so stupid here.
The wild west and animal farm can only last so long ......
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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I think Locker is an undie-cover dood!
edit: "wild west" Yeah, I think it was a good move in general.
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Dos XX
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Werner :-)
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Gene
climber
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I think Fatty got the TV adventure junkies series gig and is now too good for us.
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Dos XX
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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I was worried that Jeff was abducted by the Mossad, but I see it's just a fairly deep purge.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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The great purge.
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2012 - 07:52pm PT
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*tap* *tap*
can you hear me now?
crap.
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2012 - 07:54pm PT
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sadly... yes
http://www.supertopo.com/inc/view_profile.php?dcid=ODM8NTo8OCc,
she might be antagonistic and dense and spew way more than 90% of all the climbers on this site combined but I've yet to see her call anyone a name.
fattrad's name calling schtick has been going on for far too long. he's whole angle is over played and lame. even I started calling him out on it
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Gene
climber
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Nature,
It's only Thursday. The week is still young.
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2012 - 07:56pm PT
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LMAO!
wait until friday and CMac has a beer in hand.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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So let me get this straight,
Skipt attacks JStan, who is probably the most genial poster of all and an icon within the community with the following:
"Early signs of dementia....Did they teach you critical thinking in math school?...Are you just stupid? Or, maybe an old man jacks off to pics of women with penis' coming out of their head.
You use selective reading, Jstan. And, it isn't pretty.
BTW, Name the president in office when the war in Vietnam ended.
You are clueless, Mr. Alzheimer."
And that is acceptable? Yet these other people are booted? Starting to rethink why I'm here at all.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Climbing forum -
Not a talk about how everyone who isn't a cop should be tased because it's the officers safety in jeopardy every time they speak / look at them funny.
Wonder what Fattrad is going to do now? Climb?
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2012 - 07:59pm PT
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Elcapinyoazz - maybe the powers that be missed that. but I agree... skipt needed to be nuked for good long ago.
I'm sure if C-Mac saw that post, the banning would knott be skipt..
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nutjob
Gym climber
Berkeley, CA
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Khanom, don't give up on TRs dude, "be the change you want to see in the world"
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2012 - 08:02pm PT
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neebee is next!
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jstan
climber
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All my years have led me to believe that being kind is probably a good way to live. It does not always work but hey. It ain't a rose garden.
Edit:
can't get a girl
I met Jeff's friend at Facelift. Top drawer. Definitely top drawer.
(For those of us who may be experience challenged - top drawer is where the single malt is kept. Nothing more need be said.)
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squishy
Mountain climber
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Those others guys I don't know much about, except they also had issues on SP, but fatty was is staple around here, give him a time out and good slap but let him back in...I hate the guy, but the taco needs'm..I mean who else can take such criticism? He's fat, bald, can't climb, can't get a girl...now you're gonna boot him from the taco? Sh#t, you may have just killed him...I bet he would listen to Cheney, try to get a hold of Cheney and have Cheney slap fatties ass around...
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Elcapinyoazz - you have a link to that vile post you quoted? That's beyond horrible.
Edit: Found it.
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WBraun
climber
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Elcapinyoazz was the author of that Hardman?
Nope I'm wrong ....
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2012 - 08:16pm PT
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little birdie already told CMac.... yowza!
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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I don't really wish negativity upon anyone but if I did, Skipt would be on top of the ST list. The guy is hateful in almost every post I've read.
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Gene
climber
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thaDood went yesterday or the day before.
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2012 - 08:20pm PT
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Brandon - agreed
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jstan
climber
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This is all happening real time. Perhaps it's also time for us to think about what is really important to us
and what is not so important.
It is all about
us.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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It's going to be nice and calm around here this weekend.
We still have that goofball Locker.
and ElCapInYoAzz to inform us how wrong we are.
That should be spicy enough for now.
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Gene
climber
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Fattrad in real life is SO much different from the Fattrad the poster. I wish him well.
g
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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I have nothing but nice things to say about ThaDood.
I hit a speed bump over the holidays and he got in touch with me, just checking in to make sure everything was cool on my end.
I'm grateful for that beyond words, though I can't speak for any other aspects of his ST participation, as I'm not familiar with them.
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Nice catch there ElCap. Skipt has been obsessing over JStan for a couple of years now, particularly in the Creationists Run To The Dugout thread. It finally caught up with him. Anybody understand what his problem really was with JStan?
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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If all these foks are getting banned for real it would be nice of Chris to give us a heads up and let us know what the deal is?
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Where does Roxjox fit into this shakedown?
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jstan
climber
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Nice catch there ElCap. Skipt has been obsessing over JStan for a couple of years now, particularly in the Creationists Run To The Dugout thread. It finally caught up with him. Anybody understand what his problem really was with JStan?
Careful now! Jstan is not a fundamental datum. Something to be counted upon. Each of us has to maintain their own base.
I tried to work with Skip. Clumsily perhaps, but still. It is not yet clear that it did not work. Have patience. People require patience.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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I take back everything I said on the Flamer or the Year thread! Really!
Except about Swedes and their Surströmming.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Imagine if you ran this site. Think of the constant stream of crap you would get. "He said this. She said that. "
When the whole idea of the forum is to get people onto the site to sell a few more guide books and hopefully put some food on the table.
I don't think he ever planned that this forum would become the international melt-down point for climbers on this world.
I don't blame him one bit. Might just be an interesting experiment to see what happens.
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2012 - 08:43pm PT
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my guess is some of these folks will be given a time out.
it would be a good idea to observe said timeout.
Skipts post deserves a permanent banning in my opinion (which doesn't really count).
it's probably a bad idea to not take the banning seriously. creating a new account (TheTool) and continuing with the same vitriol is not the way to get let out of the dunce corner.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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True, Rox's rants are usually generally directed at 'Kalis' or wolves. Not so much on the personal attacks.
Edit;
I take back everything I said on the Flamer or the Year thread! Really!
Ha! Same here. I coulda been a contender...
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jstan
climber
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I don't think he ever planned that this forum would become the international melt-down point for climbers on this world.
I don't blame him one bit. Might just be an interesting experiment to see what happens.
We are seeing something here about Chris. He is not afraid to go for it. When he sees something that he thinks may be possible, he goes for it.
That's why I am here. That's the way it is with climbers.
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Gene
climber
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Keep rolling on, Chris.
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WBraun
climber
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That's right John.
Chris is really a smart guy.
I remember when they first started doing the topo's for making the books.
Wasn't it Todd Snyder ??? can't remember.
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jstan
climber
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Being heard.
Now isn't that an incredible feeling?
It's a gift each of us can give.
all the time
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Prod
Trad climber
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Maybe political threads will vanish next???
Prod.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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100 posts in under two hours.
Edit; Locker, can we still talk about what we build?
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Skip was nothing but a rude little attack dog. You could feel the hate coming from him. I'm glad the POS is gone.
Bob
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2012 - 09:09pm PT
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100 posts in under two hours.
sushifest posts fall of the front page in no time. This has been the stop story for two hours running. but it's not about me. really. it's not about me. ME!
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jstan
climber
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Hey! A "Climbers' Spring". I could get behind that.
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jstan
climber
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Locker's conflicted. Let's face it. That's the only way to be.
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2012 - 09:12pm PT
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Cosmeek has not posted in this thread.
uh oh!
quick!
check his status STAT!
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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FortMental booted? Oh man....he was one of the funnier people here. Great sense of humor.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jeff's last post was in late afternoon on Monday, and now you're noticing and commenting on it? It's not like it was any secret, even his faux disguise as TheTool.
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1641723&msg=1743400#msg1743400
Anyway, I agree that some needed a time out or banishment, including those others have mentioned and who sometimes have now been deactivated. Often more so than Jeff, IMHO. Jeff sometimes has something to contribute - some of the others didn't.
The terms of service make it quite clear that management can do such things, and I support their having done it. Still, three or four time outs/banishments in one swell foop is something new, and it might help others to learn why. Pour encourager les autres, as one of Napoleon's marshals put it.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Where the hell is Lois?
She'll explain it all.
Honestly, I only post to political threads when I'm really bored. What I see there astounds me though. There are many people writing very concise, coherent thoughts and they are appreciated.
Then, there are the dozen or so people who hijack the rig just to argue. I get it, you're old, have some sort of ailment that keeps you grumpy and on the couch, and this is your outlet.
...no idea where I was going with this...
Oh yeah, a 'climbers spring'. Hijack the political threads with huge format photos of climbing, rendering the pages difficult to read. If it happens, I promise to never post to a political thread for any reason than to corrupt it.
RISE UP!!
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
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skipt was a mean spirited nut, good riddance. Basically if I saw him on a thread I just closed it for good. Wes made me laugh sometimes, but could be pretty sharp. Fatty was seriously getting on my nerves to the point of either not logging in or giving him the greasemonkey script, the same meaningless posts thousands and thousands of times over on all threads. Nice guy in person though. I don't know much about front mental or whoever but his anti leb thing was really creepy.
I love the arbitrary whackings- keep them coming (even if it means me too).
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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I simply must post on this epic thread.
Personally, I'm thinking asteroids are falling across the PNW and NorCal and our Pro Israeli Socialist government is not allowing the main stream media to publish this fact.
If you need me, I'll be in the bunker trying to get Fox News on the skip.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Vellllly Intelllesting......but stlange.......
(apologies to Arte Johnson)
fattrad/Jeff spoke in non-sensical 10 word sound bites when he was on politics. I took him to task many times and I'm annoyed he didn't put me on the Socialist of the Year list. He loves to brag and often spews garbage just to be the center of attention. Yet I never saw him say or do anything really out of line. I presume no one took him seriously when he threatened to "tool" them.
He's been a generous supporter of Facelift. He's a decent guy to have a glass of wine or beer with. He's often offered to share his campsite in the Valley when some of his compatriots have bailed. I'd have taken him up on it if I'd been free.
And yes, he did get a "hot" chick. She's also a very nice person.
On a different thread I posted that I'd said enough on this topic. Yet here I am again.
Even though I've found weschrist offensive a few times, FortMental very occasionally nasty and out of line, and Skipt (among one or two others) vile nearly all the time, I'm very very opposed to censorship without at least a brief explanation of why these people were booted.
I've never met him but I believe CMac to be a decent guy. I'm assuming that a lot was going on in private communications between at least fattrad and someone(s) else and someone squealed to Chris. It still disturbs me to see censorship.
I look forward to hoisting a glass of ale with fattrad sometime soon.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Karma only Kounts if you get Kaught!
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Gene
climber
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Dr. F should be banned for lack of reading comprehension and misattributing sources.
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jstan
climber
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We have been stuck in what is called a singularity. Arguing for no purpose, and without end. At least for a moment there has been a big bang.
All of that is gone, for the moment.
Enjoy the freedom.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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In my opinion Fat's post were nothing but repetitive BS. The man needed and craved the attention...kinda sad when you really think about it. I spend some time with Jeff and thought very highly of him in person...his online persona I couldn't stomach.
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2012 - 09:30pm PT
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Gene, I was basking in the glory that Dr.F gave me for all of five minutes until you came along. you should be banned for that!
QITNL - if that had anything to do with it you should feel no guilt. you made an observation without an apparent agenda.
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jstan
climber
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We have been stuck in what is called a singularity. Arguing for no purpose, and without end. At least for a moment there has been a big bang.
All of that is gone, for the moment.
Enjoy the freedom.
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apogee
climber
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Wow..skipt got the boot? Shocking, but completely understandable. That guy is destined for a 'Post Office' moment, any day now. His posts were 99.8% politi-hate, and rarely (if ever) climbing related.
FortMental? Funny, but his 'art' was over the line. Chia Pet genitalia and phallus-heads, posted over and over and over and over, targeting (stalking, really) the same person...no surprise he got the boot.
Wes? I don't know what line he crossed, but he did have a razor-sharp tongue (that was sometimes greatly appreciated)- that he might have said something that pushed the wrong button isn't too much of a surprise. I'll miss Wes...he contributed some good stuff.
fattrad is the biggest mystery- sure, his climbing exploits are minimal, but he supported ST (& Facelift, apparently) regularly. His propensity to target the same 3 people with 'you're a piece of crap' and 'you're a moron' memes grew tiresome about a year ago. Still, it has me scratching my head.
Here's to hoping we see Wes & fattrad back...soon.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Phew, close one, Cosmic!
And that Part-time Commie better watch it or she'll get banned for inciting
a riot and giving Bluey a coronary.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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fatty definatly went downhill the last year or so. he used to be somewhat interesting and would actually discuss things in a decent way... yes he became repetitve and stupid but not sure where he was offensive like skipt? Wish chris would tell us what is up so we know what not to do?
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2012 - 09:45pm PT
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I really think it was CMAC's thread
He wasn't into having sh#t piles laid all over it
go check out that thread and report back.
CMac doesn't pay much attention to other threads. his own however.... bad place to take a crap.
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apogee
climber
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"I really think it was CMAC's thread"
Is that the common thread to all 4 nukings? Were all of those guys contributing to that thread as is spiralled downward?
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2012 - 09:47pm PT
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no, skipts nuking was clearly the vitriol directed at jstan. that's an easy one to see.
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2012 - 09:48pm PT
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The difference between Donald and Skipt that I saw is Donald never got real ugly.
for the longest time I thought they were the same person. They both came off as being about as bright as an burned out incandescent at Russ Wallings house.
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apogee
climber
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Donald is nowhere near as unstable and angry as skipt. Sure, DT is annoyingly persistent, but he has never been anywhere close to the level of bi-polar instability that skipt regularly exhibited.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
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Did the border collie guy get nuked? I need some advice on our border mutt, but was not sure if he was a real sane person and thus never asked. Pretty much if I saw him on a thread it was time to move on.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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It's the coffee, boys!
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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You boys do live dangerously - bannings are afoot and here you are cackling away like chatty zebras in lion land.
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euro-brief-guy
Boulder climber
Auburn, ca
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^^^^^^^^^agreed^^^^^^^^^^
There are waaaaaay bigger ass@holes on the taco than fattrad.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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is this a survivor meeting or something?
like a bunch of freaks at a traffic accident, "who died, man"?
maybe somebody hacked the bitches, i don't know,
do i look like a frickin programmer to you?
i'm james brown, bi-atch, and i am living in america,
home of the brave, land of the free,
ask not, what you can do for your country,
but what your country can do for you,
anybody wanna buy some food stamps, i need some booze?
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apogee
climber
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"The "LEB" took down another Brother, like many before,
and may be the downfall of many more caring brother climbers"
You gotta explain that, F.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
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The "LEB" took down another Brother, like many before,
and may be the downfall of many more caring brother climbers
and now the problem comes back and now is attacking me
trying to piss me off enough to fight back, and then get banned for doing what's right, getting pissed off by a piss ant
I nominate DR.F for banning. reason? stupidity. Dude, get a f*#king grip.
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WBraun
climber
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Dr F's logics = Fail!
Man you really are stupid ......
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apogee
climber
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"Why would FortMental be banned if it wasn't for LEB?"
Are you fecking kidding me, F?
FM got banned for regular, repetitive graphics of genitalia, entirely directed at the same person!
Lois is fecking annoying as shite, but she doesn't ever post that kind of stuff. Ever.
Saying that Lois is the reason FM was banned is ridiculous, F.
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apogee
climber
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Well, it does kinda feel like hunting season.
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2012 - 10:46pm PT
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if this thread goes down as my greatest thread ever
please ban me!
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Okay - so with all these people disappearing, and so many of them being sort of fanatical, maybe what's happened is that that armegeddeon thing where the *good* people go to heaven and the heathens are left in the mire to mosh it out....and we who are still here are the heathens.
Even WERNER!
Things are no always what they seem...
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Dawn and I once had a pet rabbit that lived under a counter in the kitchen.
His name was "Rabbit" and he was not neutered.
He was caged.
He overlooked that most of time because we fed him well and he got to play in the yard.
You think he would be a happy rabbit and not be a pest.
But get him excited enough and he would start peeing ALLLLLL around the room.
Just a crotchedy old fart rabbit spinning round and round in a slow and deliberate circle letting his little weenie fling whizz.
Just saying.
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grover
climber
Dabville. Gnarlandia
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Ricky D was the above post meant for the oddball hobbies thread?
Just sayin.
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apogee
climber
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FM's stuff was pretty funny, at least the first couple of times. When he started focussing on Lois, over and over and over and over, it crossed the line.
Lois is a troll-extraordinaire, and when anyone feeds that troll with anything, it is waaaay more of a reflection on them than it is on Lois.
After all....she's a troll. That's all. Just a troll.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2012 - 10:55pm PT
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I'm the proud papa of a 100 post per hour thread.
ban me now.
please.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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The "LEB" just breeds Hate in people,
Exposes it would be correct.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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no worries...
he'll be checking in under LEBtard, glantard, and only a few other tards....
"...of total 30901 forum postings found." - So much BS!!!
to bad he had to say over and over again that he was a volunteer sheriff's deputy..
Like this guy:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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apogee
climber
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F, SHE'S A FECKING TROLL!!!
Stop responding to her...she stops responding to you. It's that simple....really!
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Are there any posters of more than 30k posts who have never been banned?
What was skipt's last post?
Ps good work sis, ya got him on the ropes
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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They say opinions are like as#@&%es: everyone has on and they all stink.
Here's mine: Chris, dont' show up with a sledge hammer after a 2 year absence and start slamming on some fairly decent, but interesting and passionate folks after you've shown NO INCLINATION EVER TO GIVE A darned WHAT FOLKS SAY. Those guys are all valuable posters, but it seems that to you, anyone can sit and talk sh#t all day and no one says a damned thing. Till now. Then (out of nowhere) WHAM!.
It's a good site here and needed some moderation, but everyone seems to contribute here or there. Even Fatty (Jeff) climbed and contributed: Weschrist did as well, and yet they were diametrically opposed politically and their discourse was interesting.
My thought is this: I'd suggest that you take out yer little ballpeen hammer every once in a while and whack a post here or there. Just make some mean spirited post disappear. You've missed thousands of them in the past, but lets leave that be. I'm talking going forward. A mean spirited posts here or there where they are totally uncalled for should and will be banged off the site. Blammm, someone says something mean and inappropriate, blamm: just delete it. Gone. The individual posts get deleted, but not a poster. Leave the sledge hammer in the trunk for emergencies or when you really need it. Every once in a great while, you pull it out and toss a poster for repeatedly posting that stuff and not letting up. But don't pull it out "fait accompli" just randomly and at will. Pull out the little ballpeen hammer and whack this port or that......as an ongoing process when it's needed.
Eventually, all of us will start to see the light:-) Thanks Jstan for all of the very interesting posts by the way....
Someone had to say that........
Hey, one more thing, didn't Philo want us to vote him off the island for excessive political bullsh#t? I vote he stays. Good climbing shots
...for a librule....LOL
Warm regards to all....glad Dr F is still here.
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apogee
climber
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"Pull out the little ballpeen hammer and whack this port or that......"
Every once in a while, though, a good sledgehammer to a skipt is in everyone's best interests.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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for now....
Dr F, lighten up bra.
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apogee
climber
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^^^^
Where's that Sarah Vagi-Palin face when you need it?
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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THANK YOU CHRIS MAC!!
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apogee
climber
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You know, I'm kinda surprised the general tone of this thread hasn't devolved into the usual tin-hatted conspiratorial 'censorship' whining. I'm good with that.
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WBraun
climber
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Dr F = meltdown, ..... disguised as having fun ......
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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I didn't state a name on purpose. I am happy to see some hate removed. That is what my thanks are for.
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dogtown
Trad climber
Cheyenne, Wyoming and Marshall Islands atoll.
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Well, Hell?
It is a rock climbing site or a climbing site, RIGHT? If so. Who are theses people? I know them, a bunch of over achievers, egotistical, educated and fit, well traveled folks who don’t get a long at times.
HUMMM! Sound about right!
If so, what’s the big deal ? Say good by to the departed, carry on.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Hey F,
What if a "Lib" or a smart person (whatever that is) posts patent crap? (I'm happy to include me except for claiming smarts !)
I thought the same. This is a good example of what Dr. F claims to be against - blinded by ideology.
I've been trying make this point for a while now, but...only right-wingers can be stupid and without humor.
meh...
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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any chicks need a hot guy?
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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if your paranoid, just post a TR with a few pics,
ok, everybody put up a TR, old pics ok,
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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what about body odor?
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Wrong
You have to decalre youself smart, then live up to it
Are you starting any time soon?
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WBraun
climber
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So now Dr F is saying he's not smart and is offended by the smartness of LEB .....
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2012 - 11:37pm PT
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oh my god... what have I done. It must be Karmic retribution.
I can't stop it now... it's out of control. but what have I done?
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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TR:
this is me doing K1 last summer,
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dogtown
Trad climber
Cheyenne, Wyoming and Marshall Islands atoll.
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Moundhouse, LOFL!
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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hey Nature, grow a longer arm so you can pat yourself on the back, will ya?
and make me a californai roll, bi-atch!
i want fresh from hawaii, same day delivery and no kikoman this time,
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dogtown
Trad climber
Cheyenne, Wyoming and Marshall Islands atoll.
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Whore houses are the main industry in Moundhouse, NO?
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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who is Nature's mother?
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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How come FatTrad, skipt, and those other annoyances got raptured, and we didn't? Something's backwards here. We're still in ST hell, and they're not.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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answer to who is Nature's mother?
Mother Nature
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new world order-
climber
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Feb 10, 2012 - 12:01am PT
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Dr. Sprock....Dude man, you kill me!
I bet you would make a good moderator.
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dogtown
Trad climber
Cheyenne, Wyoming and Marshall Islands atoll.
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Feb 10, 2012 - 12:10am PT
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Ha, Ha , Ha
I know this place Ron a friend of mine has a gold mine near there, ( no bullshit ) what do you do there?
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 10, 2012 - 12:12am PT
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He stuffs stiffs....
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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Feb 10, 2012 - 12:15am PT
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WOW, Checking in on the Taco for the first time today....
All i can Honestly say is....Not missing
Skipt.. skipt... skipt..to my Loo.
edit: I hope the others are only on a time out....
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Feb 10, 2012 - 12:19am PT
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i Am the moderator,
check your email, you just been zapped!
who wants it next?
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Feb 10, 2012 - 12:21am PT
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did Fats steal those cams?
when the golden gate buffalo died i thought it was fats at first,
if you like pina coladas,
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Feb 10, 2012 - 12:24am PT
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who wants to play some chess?
i'm white,
1. e4
your turn,
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dogtown
Trad climber
Cheyenne, Wyoming and Marshall Islands atoll.
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Feb 10, 2012 - 12:27am PT
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Yep, Terry Howard. long time resident. found a nugget a few years ago well over a pound.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Feb 10, 2012 - 12:29am PT
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you wanna play with my what?
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 10, 2012 - 12:30am PT
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It was like a joke I couldn't come up with the punchline for Ron ...
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Feb 10, 2012 - 12:32am PT
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thanks for the mammories i just got nuked,
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 12:35am PT
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later Jebus... shine Karma fatty's way.
or something.
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part-time communist
climber
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Feb 10, 2012 - 12:37am PT
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wow...no wonder none of u guys are gettin laid.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Feb 10, 2012 - 12:40am PT
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yeah, but i made 1000 squirts last year,
and that folks, is a new personal record,
probably never to be repeated, gettin kind of old, the sack looks like a raisin in a microwave,
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Feb 10, 2012 - 12:42am PT
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do any of you have girls that only want to do it like once a month?
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Feb 10, 2012 - 12:42am PT
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wow...no wonder none of u guys are gettin laid.
No need to engage in projection young lady.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Feb 10, 2012 - 12:44am PT
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i wanna watch the Captain Kangeroo show,
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Feb 10, 2012 - 12:47am PT
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pretty good D Wane!
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Feb 10, 2012 - 12:50am PT
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i'm afraid to use the toilet now,
where can i drop?
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part-time communist
climber
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Feb 10, 2012 - 12:51am PT
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No need to engage in projection young lady.
Say, what do people see in this picture? (This is a projective test, kind of like the Rorschach, you know)
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 12:52am PT
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I can't quite figure out the irony.... but wasn't it p-tc that showed up here trying to get laid and then failed in possibly one of the most embarrassing intro's the taco has ever seen. and now the fashion model is capping on the crowd that wouldn't touch her?
Edit: I see thick thighs.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Feb 10, 2012 - 12:52am PT
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any lurkers?
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part-time communist
climber
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Feb 10, 2012 - 12:54am PT
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I can't quite figure out the irony.... but wasn't it p-tc that showed up here trying to get laid and then failed in possibly one of the most embarrassing intro's the taco has ever seen. and now the fashion models is capping on the crowd that wouldn't touch her?
less psychoanalysis, more whatdoyouseeinthepicturealysis
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 10, 2012 - 12:55am PT
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For reals Ron? Yikes!
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 12:57am PT
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wait.... I got it.....
it's soooo obvious!!!
the chubby right thigh is FATTRAD!!!!!!
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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Feb 10, 2012 - 12:57am PT
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I see someone craving attention.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Feb 10, 2012 - 12:59am PT
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i see fatty buying a new laptop at best buys,
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 10, 2012 - 01:00am PT
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I think I saw the pottey monster.
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Feb 10, 2012 - 01:02am PT
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I see a happy smile!
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Feb 10, 2012 - 01:08am PT
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I see an indecipherable ceiling layout in that room...is it vaulted, double vaulted, vaulted only in the part behind the fan?...it's almost like MC Escher was the architect.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Feb 10, 2012 - 01:10am PT
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i see somebody's underwear
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 10, 2012 - 01:14am PT
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Wazzup with that fan?
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part-time communist
climber
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Feb 10, 2012 - 01:15am PT
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Hey, isn't cosmic crack doing (sort of) the same thing that got fort mental banned? Creepy fixation thing going on there, too.
He is causing me considerable emotional distress! Ban him!
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Feb 10, 2012 - 01:15am PT
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I see that ptc noticed her thread was getting no play, poked her head out the window wondering WTF? and saw that Nature's thread was getting the spotlight.
"Quel Horreur!" thought PTC. So she took about 50 self-portrait posterior shots until she got one she felt did the trick, and came over here, hoping to divert the thread from attention other were getting to her self.
But that's just me.
Back to the originally scheduled program: Has it occurred to anyone that somebody may have hacked into the admin account and deactivated the accounts, and that CMac doesn't even know?
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 10, 2012 - 01:16am PT
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I see London
I see France
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part-time communist
climber
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Feb 10, 2012 - 01:19am PT
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So she took about 50 self-portrait posterior shots until she got one she felt did the trick, and came over here, hoping to divert the thread from attention other were getting to her self.
lol. nah, man-that pic was taken 3 years ago. The most recent pics are way too X rated to post on here. Don't want to be banned, eh?
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Feb 10, 2012 - 01:19am PT
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What do you see in THIS picture?
FYI - Teddy's newest nickname is Snapple.
Because he's made of the best stuff on earth!
(and this picture was taken more than 3 years ago. and I don't want to see ONE SINGLE porno dog innuendo or bang, zoom, to the MOON!)
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part-time communist
climber
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Feb 10, 2012 - 01:22am PT
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Because he's made of the best stuff on earth!
that sounds like youre planning on eating him or something.
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cleo
Social climber
the canyon below the Ditch!!!!
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Feb 10, 2012 - 01:23am PT
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Annnnnd.... for the first time ever...
Polireligitard threads off the first page. And it only took a small # of posters banned to do that.
I'm with Crimpergirl!
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Feb 10, 2012 - 01:28am PT
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If ever there was a time for a repost...
[Click to View YouTube Video]
I think the folks who got dismissed (if that is indeed what happened, could be a hack) were handed their hats and shown the door because their signal-to-noise ratio was way off the charts, and any propsective new users exploring supertopo for the first time would take one glance at our typical front page and run, not walk, but run for dear life in the opposite direction.
From the perspective of CMac's business model, it's the equivelent of a floor manager quietly asking a very drunk, very beligerant person to leave the premises. Makes sense. I'd long ago taken to simply scrolling past Fattrad's posts without so much of a glance. But the sheer weight and volume of his bellowing nonsense could stunt a team of oxen in it's tracks. The effort involved in ignoring him was becoming cumbersome, and led to a lot of scrolling. He nuked a lot of otherwise promising theads with his disrptive and not-at-all wittly declarations and non-sequiters.
I expect they'll all be allowed to attend recess once again, after a brief "time-out" in the Dunce chair.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Feb 10, 2012 - 01:35am PT
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Cosmic is the new Andy Warhol.
Much better in fact.
Hey.... Isn't this a rock climbing forum?
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Feb 10, 2012 - 01:48am PT
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Where does Roxjox fit into this shakedown?
Rox lent me and Watusi a helping hand during a time of dire need, so he's OK in my book, depite the fact that he appears to be ageing in a uniquely "idiosyncratic" fashion.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Feb 10, 2012 - 01:49am PT
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some folks feel like a human litter box,
i don't know what that means or if it is even legal to say that,
but it just happened so deal with it.
i think i just heard the ice cream truck, hip hip horray for warm winters!
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Feb 10, 2012 - 01:50am PT
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And as an aside, I think any of us with, say, 20,000 posts or more might want to focus on content as opposed to sheer crushing volume. I mean, f*#k!
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Feb 10, 2012 - 01:51am PT
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exactly.
i wouldn't give my problems to a monkey on a rock right now.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Feb 10, 2012 - 01:58am PT
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So who are the casualties to this point? Names? FatTrad. skipt. And? Anyone MIA?
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Feb 10, 2012 - 02:06am PT
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Run Anders, run!
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Feb 10, 2012 - 02:50am PT
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my reaction to opening this thread
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Feb 10, 2012 - 07:57am PT
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Feb 9, 2012 - 08:02pm PT
^^^^
Where's that Sarah Vagi-Palin face when you need it?
Thats what got one of em banned. Seriously.
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Barbarian
Trad climber
New and Bionic too!
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Feb 10, 2012 - 08:54am PT
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While this has been semi-interesting, I have to get back to re-slinging my yellow Jumars and reading some climbing posts.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 10, 2012 - 10:58am PT
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Skipt and FortMental can stay banned...
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Feb 10, 2012 - 11:06am PT
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spring cleaning is always refreshing..
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Feb 10, 2012 - 11:12am PT
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His revenge guarantees he will never be on the taco again imo.
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 11:33am PT
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That he would consider taking revenge on what boils down to a result of his own actions speaks volumes about him.
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 11:39am PT
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no, Dr. F is trolling:
http://www.supertopo.com/inc/view_profile.php?dcid=ODM8NTo8OCc,
that's lame dude. way lame.
getting our hopes up like that.
lamer. ;-)
For real though.. The whack-o-mole should pull the trifecta. Fatty, skipt and LEB. whack 'em all and all of a sudden this site looks massively different. Not sure what Dr. F and Norton would do with themselves. maybe more pretty succulent posts?
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 11:41am PT
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ah. Global Warming is working! Proof!
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Feb 10, 2012 - 11:42am PT
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I think LEB is saved by contributing very constructively in many healthrelated threads. I also think LEB is more than just one.
Edited: I guess you're right Nature.
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 11:46am PT
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Marlow: she's also saved by the fact that her personal attacks are few. And when she does attack it's nothing like that post above from skipt directed at JStan. As opposed to skipt who was at almost 100% of his posts and fatty who was at least 75% of his (recent) posts.
The problem with her is she thinks she's making a point or has something valuable to offer when the reality is she misses the mark. and my observation is most folks react by beating their head against a wall trying to point out her denseness. most of the taco is frustrated with that and would simply like it gone. If it was me and I was on a forum and almost everyone wishes I would just leave.... I'd leave w/o a single word. but again... it's the denseness at play.
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edejom
Boulder climber
Butte, America
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Feb 10, 2012 - 11:51am PT
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Interesting--both fattrad and skipt inflict insults and taunt here online, yet in real life each take in orphan kids from abroad and donate money to charitable causes...
...the human psyche is a strange one
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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Feb 10, 2012 - 11:51am PT
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I don't post too often here, but I just can't resist wading into this sh#t-pond.
Fatty is delusional. I cannot believe that you guys don't see it. He always alludes to having secret knowledge, connections and power, but reality is somewhat different. All I see is Walter Mitty trying to validate his fantasy life via the internet. He has been called out more than once regarding claims he has made, and yet the BS continues to flow. His biggest claim to fame is his prolific posting on this site, and that is sad.
The Taco is a climbing site. This is a forum for climber. To the best of my knowledge, Fatty is not a climber. He is one of the most prolific posters here, and yet he posted almost zero climbing related material. At every chance, he inserts himself into threads, trolling for reactions and steering the conversations towards his favorite political subjects. just the sheer volume of his posts mean that he has a huge impact on the personality of this site. If you want to make The Taco an attractive place for climbers to come and talk around a virtual campfire, if is probably not advisable to have a delusional loudmouth troll as your most prolific poster.
As an aside, much of what I said about fatty applies to Lois. the only differences is that LEB is much more verbose and much less self aggrandizing.
This is CMs site. I like that there are no moderators and have no problem with CM occasionally dropping the pimp hand without explanation. Again, it is his site and all of us post here at his discretion.
As to Fatty having revenge - BS! That is just more delusional noise. It also points out a real a**hole he is.
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 11:54am PT
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ncrockclimber - good post.
Except:
1) fatty does climb at times (though when he notes it it is because he's being called out and in defense mode).
2) 'Fatty is delusional. I cannot believe that you guys don't see it. "
excuse me? we don't see it? I've not see a single poster except maybe LEB, Skipt, Donald and TGT that don't see it.
I'm not attacking you so don't take that wrong. We very much are familiar with his delusional nature.
rest of your post is spot on.
dropping the pimp hand
LOL!
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splitter
Trad climber
Hodad surfing the galactic plane
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Feb 10, 2012 - 11:55am PT
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So who be The Departed?
How many total?
Maybe it was a cyber snuff job...
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 11:56am PT
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CMac is the new Tony Montaño
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 10, 2012 - 11:59am PT
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Haven't seen Skully around for a while.
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 11:59am PT
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yeah Hank... I have noticed that.
I'm just glad he likes sushi ;-)
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apogee
climber
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Feb 10, 2012 - 12:03pm PT
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"Fatty is delusional. I cannot believe that you guys don't see it."
fattrad has an online persona just like the rest of us. His happens to be based on constant self-aggrandizement, namedropping, and of late, ad hominems aimed at a few specific people. Anyone who believes all of fattrad's spray either hasn't been around very long, or they are the one who's deluded.
Once you get past that facade, and if you can let go of rigid ideology for a moment, fattrad is a pretty good guy- there's plenty of evidence of that in his relationship with his daughter, his support of outdoor interests that we're all invested in, participation in FaceLift...
His 'revenge'? Yeah...right. Remember...fattrad loves to spray, and he's probably bummed he got the boot. That tends to result in defensive, chest-thumping statements like 'revenge' (if that's actually what he said)- and chest-thumping is a core part of fattrad's ST persona.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Feb 10, 2012 - 12:16pm PT
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There's a new rule. If you have over 10,000 posts and not a single trip report you are deactivated.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Feb 10, 2012 - 12:18pm PT
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and maybe maybe maybe
posting nudes or semi nudes
or toe shots
or who knows
will suddenly find you banned
it is worth it anymore, given the wave of banning, to chance it?
Locker/Suddenly Proud Scum
2012
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Feb 10, 2012 - 12:25pm PT
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Good riddance to that intentianally disruptive, bloviating, attention-whore, deluded, self-aggrandizing, uber-troll circus sideshow. colorie rich and nutrient free. His departure will not be grieved.
The hoards of mourners:
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Feb 10, 2012 - 12:30pm PT
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I'm sure CMac considered any possible negative effects of the ban before he did it, and IF fatty was monetarily contributing to the site (which I highly doubt), CMac was obviously willing to forego that money to get rid of fatty
Mostly I just wanted to point out a subtle word choice error that those who strive to use correct English may appreciate, see below.
On the substance of this, I'm surprised that everyone seems to take Locker's tale of Fatty's "revenge" seriously. First, I don't recall Fatty claiming that he was "monetarily contributing to the site," and I read more of that nitwit's repetitious nonsense than I'm proud to admit. Second, seeing that one of his memes was "threatening" to "tool" various posters, if there's any truth to Locker's "revenge" stuff at all, it was probably meant to be taken as seriously as the "tooling."
FOREGO/FORGO
The E in “forego” tells you it has to do with going before. It occurs mainly in the expression “foregone conclusion,” a conclusion arrived at in advance. “Forgo” means to abstain from or do without. “After finishing his steak, he decided to forgo the blueberry cheesecake.
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Dos XX
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Feb 10, 2012 - 12:32pm PT
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Trying to be helpful...
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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Feb 10, 2012 - 12:36pm PT
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Apogee's perception is A+
Jeff has to be spoofing about revenge on CMac. His taunts are ritual humor. He told me for years that I hadno release moves on the uneven bars...I took it serious for a while but his personal emails revealed a very decent guy...just...ribbing everyone and lampooning himself.
But,yes, those lucheons with Dick Cheney were 100% factual. Thank heavens he can't call in air strikes with the Dems in power :-)
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Feb 10, 2012 - 12:48pm PT
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Fattrad's idea of having lunch with Cheney just means he plunked out 5K$ to be in the same large banquet room together.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Feb 10, 2012 - 12:49pm PT
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Wow I wasn't nooked or voted off the island. It must have been all that silly climbing content I posted over all these years. Crap you all are stuck with me.
Well that blew my mind.
Oh and more toe.
Thank yooooooo.
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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Feb 10, 2012 - 12:49pm PT
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Nature, I never knew Fatty actually climbed. I always thought that he was like The LEB Thing. I did not perceive your post as an attack. It is nice to know that others also saw that he was full of it.
Many folks claim that their "online" personality is different than their "real life" personality, and that outside of the internet they are really "a nice person." While it may be true that they act better in the real world, I have always thought that a persons online personality is often an pretty true indicator of what is on the inside waiting to get out. I am not saying that Fatty is evil, and his charity work and adoption are admirable. However, they do not excuse him for the way he acted here. Here, he acted in a manner that was not appreciated by management and was shown the door. To be blunt, he was a dick that used this site as a tool to inflate his ego and further his delusions. This is not about political view, this is about the sheer volume of his BS negatively impacting the personality of this site. IMHO, he deserved to be whacked and this site will be better for it.
Now, will someone please post some "toe" or nuns in laytex! I would even settle for PTC posting another PG-13 cry for attention - anything is better than continuing to talk about Fatty now that he is gone!
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Feb 10, 2012 - 12:51pm PT
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Don't forget Wes. He'll be missed.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Feb 10, 2012 - 01:01pm PT
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Really
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Feb 10, 2012 - 01:09pm PT
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My favorite Fattrad pathology was his insisitance on repeatedly reposting images of "Certificates" and "Letters of Appreciation" from low-level municipal functionaries. I have mountains of those things, only they came to me by way of the Deputy Director of the Secret Service, a personal letter from Secretary Rumsfeld, etc.
Didn't hang on to a single one of 'em. meh. They didn't hold half the water as, say, an offhand, personal, C4 compliment from Walt Shipley or Duecy or Kevin or Tucker. Those were way harder to come by, and infinately more valuable.
Fattrad, indeed.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Feb 10, 2012 - 01:10pm PT
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Now, will someone please post some "toe" or nuns in laytex
given the proliferation of banning, for seemingly not clear reasons..........
wanna log in and find out you are banned?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 10, 2012 - 01:13pm PT
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See, Dingus? And you think me paranoid about a conspiracy? It is Watergate all over again.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Feb 10, 2012 - 01:13pm PT
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I think it's pretty obvious who the WhackAMole is, and it ain't CMac ...
Looks like the whacking goes out to folks who cross the line when calling other users names, even if only vaguely threatening.
skipt, while helpful to those with computer problems, really posted mostly hate and such. I'm surprised he didn't get the knudge when he posted all that copyright'ed material way back when.
Wes, well that boy needs to find an outlet for his anger.
Fatty, I often thought he was just playing the Devil's Advocate, but his posts portrayed the mind of a very ugly, uncaring person. Probably nice in person, but whew.
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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Feb 10, 2012 - 01:14pm PT
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Still here!
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part-time communist
climber
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Feb 10, 2012 - 01:21pm PT
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If you need to self-validate through an internet forum, you are pathetic.
lol!
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 01:22pm PT
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Malemute understands my definition of dense. the dense do knott. Go figure?
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part-time communist
climber
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Feb 10, 2012 - 01:23pm PT
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I think nature and Dr. F will be banned soon, for sheer # of posts and not having a life
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 01:26pm PT
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a thinly veiled retort for noting your chubby thighs? judging anyone based on a few posts on the intardnet speaks of denseness. or something.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Feb 10, 2012 - 01:35pm PT
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sure... i'll delete this post and the one above.
don't delete!
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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Feb 10, 2012 - 01:41pm PT
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It's amazing what you can miss by just working hard for a day instead of screwing around on internet forums.
Anyone who writes more than two or three posts in a row whose sole content is "You are an idiot." ought to be banned. There is just no benefit to anyone in doing that and not saying it is just as effective as saying it. What a waste of bytes.
Yes, I know what the next post will say.
And the pornographers should be removed too. There are other places to see that stuff where it doesn't show up unexpectedly. Some of that stuff is just gross.
Dave
P.S. Was this a banning or some sort of internet rapture and we are just the ones left behind?
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Feb 10, 2012 - 01:42pm PT
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P.S. Was this a banning or some sort of internet rapture and we are just the ones left behind?
LOL. Good one!
John
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wbw
Trad climber
'cross the great divide
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Feb 10, 2012 - 01:42pm PT
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I actually believe he's probably a well-intentioned guy, but the fact that Fattrad got tooled reaffirms my faith in the world, in a weird way. All the spray from the LEO point of view, and at the same time bragging that he never busted anyone for possession of pot was getting pretty tiresome.
Personally, I don't believe any LEO belongs in the company of climbers. Just my jaded opinion . .
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Feb 10, 2012 - 01:43pm PT
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Wes will be missed. One of my favorite posters by far.
There's a new rule. If you have over 10,000 posts and not a single trip report you are deactivated.
No idea how many posts I have (too many, by any reasonable measure) but it's a good thing I crack off the occasional TR or I'd be in the detention corner with the rest of em.
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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Feb 10, 2012 - 01:45pm PT
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...So, when asked "who does not like you right now", I offered up CMac and RJ as highly unlikely suspects. And I repeated "highly unlikely"...
The Pope doesn't like me because I'm an atheist. I still wouldn't give his name to the police if someone broke into my place. It's just not cool at all to give the police someone's name because you don't like them at the moment.
Dave
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 01:48pm PT
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Elcapinyoazz - 3210
nature- 12800+
LEB - 22900+
Fatty - 30900+
I think it's a cut off of 10K posts of calling people nasty names.
if it was a climber VS non-climbing ratio thing fatty would be gone for sure. And so would LEB.
Russ Walling - 7K
skipt: 9100 + (zero climbing)
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 10, 2012 - 01:49pm PT
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What a stupid discussion.
In Russia they'll take you out back and shoot you in the head.
In America they lobotomize each others brains with this stupid drivel ....
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 01:50pm PT
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WBraun - 19116
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Feb 10, 2012 - 01:50pm PT
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They're having a party for all the deactivated people
They'll be getting wasted, flaming each other, and listen to Big Banned Music!
Peace
Karl
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 10, 2012 - 01:53pm PT
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Whoa! Somebody call Cmac and warn him that Fattie has called in his favors
from Cheney. 13 Cobras just flew over our house headed north! It's On!
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Feb 10, 2012 - 01:55pm PT
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What a stupid discussion
ditto.
there have been some disturbing things on this site at times that far exceeds anything that either skipt or fatty has done, but because they werent in the clique everyone jumps their sh&&.
and wes? he just liked to stir things up. pretty funny actually.
now you all can go back to feeling self righteous and sh&&...
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Feb 10, 2012 - 02:05pm PT
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Hi Lois, how did that traffic court tooling go for you? I
never noticed an update.
Inquiring minds want to know.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Feb 10, 2012 - 02:13pm PT
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LEB
I appreciate where you're coming from but your conclusions are way off the mark.
When fattrad was asked a perfectly normal question about a crime, he gave an honest answer including "highly unlikely". Which by the way, he was legally required to answer unless he thought it was self incriminating.
Now, to find CMac and RJ, the cops would have to know this is an internet forum. They've got better things to do than chase down this sort of "lead". If they did bother to call either of these guys and have a talk, they're certainly not going to waste their time and show up at the door.
If the cops DID call either of them, and that's why fattrad got booted, that's really wrong.
So until we hear from CMac, it's all conjecture.
To just bring someones name into the mix is to bring that person into the mix... yeah.....just as my name and address go into the record when I call CHP to report a traffic accident.
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 02:24pm PT
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Jebus +1
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Feb 10, 2012 - 02:42pm PT
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TuesdayJeff Elfont Working on getting a warrant for CMac's arrest.
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TuesdayLocker Smith
LOL! "Book 'em Dano!"...
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YesterdayLocker Smith
Hey Jeff, have you figured out yet why you got booted from ST or did you request to be removed?
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YesterdayJeff ElfontNo idea, but I have tooled (limited) CMac
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YesterdayLocker Smith
I have never seen you write what I would considered to be so offensive, that you shouold be booted. Doesn't add up.
HOw do you mean you have "tooled (LIMITED) CMac"...?
.."...
well, there it is, isn't it?
In his communication with Locker, Fatty talks about getting a warrant for Chris Mac's arrest and also talks about "tooling" Chris Mac.
typical language, threatening while seemingly also humorous or innocent, but not really
always about the "power" that he supposedly once had, over 20 years ago, as an assistant deputy in the sheriff's office for one dollar a year.
warrants, tooling, name dropping.........all about me me me me me
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 10, 2012 - 02:48pm PT
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Guess that's the last we'll see of 'Fattrad' on supertopo.
What a foolish thing to do, on his part.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Feb 10, 2012 - 02:55pm PT
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Whatever happened to Pate?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Feb 10, 2012 - 02:59pm PT
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Pate is not banned.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Feb 10, 2012 - 03:08pm PT
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Pate is busy with life.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Feb 10, 2012 - 03:08pm PT
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So, do we have a comprehensive list of those who were voted off the island? And why? And for how long?
Not that I'm questioning the decision. It was a stroke of Genius on the Admin's part.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Feb 10, 2012 - 03:09pm PT
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Part of fattrad's persona is to make outrageous but opaque statements. What did he really mean to "tool" someone?
You can assume he's being sarcastic.......or not.
Are his "connections" real, inflated, or imagined? All of the above?
How much is self aggrandizing bluster, how much true nastiness or threat?
With fattrad, it's often very hard to tell.
If he truly threatened or used his "connections" to get the cops after anyone, that's a very serious charge.
Doesn't account for FM, skipt and weschrist unless they were all involved.
Now there's a tag team match I'd pay to see.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Feb 10, 2012 - 03:10pm PT
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so slacklining and sketchy andy hit the big time, jillions of unfamiliar tv viewers start googling slacklining, climbing, sketchy andy.
cmac posts a thread to take advantage of the imminent gold rush, one of the rare occasions on which he actually uses the site for something other than selling gear.
and then the poor f*#kers who click thru to supertopo are then treated to the usual cluster.
i'm just surprised more folks didn't get the axe, but then i gave up on that thread almost as soon as it began, just like we all have to give up on most of them.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Feb 10, 2012 - 03:12pm PT
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Honestly, it sucks this time of year. Work is slow and I resort to following ST interoffice memos diligently.
Tell me somebody needs some carpentry work!
The monotony is mind numbing.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Feb 10, 2012 - 03:15pm PT
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Congrats on getting the charges dropped LEB. (I missed that you'd posted about it before too).
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Roughster
Sport climber
Vacaville, CA
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Feb 10, 2012 - 03:18pm PT
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I look at this thread and it really does make me believe that history repeats itself. /enough said.
The bottom line is, if you are >90% noise, you should be gone. IMO the signal to noise ratio is CRITICAL to the success of a website. Dr. F., while very active in the Poli threads, is a REAL climber. Not only that, probably 85% of everyone reading this owns his SoCal Bouldering Guide and should clearly recognize the value of having him around. Jhedge? That dude has more climbing knowledge about Cali and areas beyond that most of you could wish you had.
LEB is 100% pure non-climbing noise. How does this help Supertopo? To me it isn't about whether or not someone has the same political perspective that I do, it is about whether or not they contribute to this website positively in the arena of climbing.
That to me should be the crux of whether you stay or whether you go...
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Feb 10, 2012 - 03:20pm PT
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There is the question of free speech.
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 03:24pm PT
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HighTraverse - you make valid points. Personally, the (his) schtick got very very old. I started asking him why he was "being such a dick". enough is enough.
Jim - this is a commercial site. Rights of free speech do not apply. Take a read of the terms of use of this site. They are typical and standard - right to refuse service for any reason is managements right.
Of course then there is the "right of free speech" that this nutty little tribe seems to generally agree on and try to adhere to. Doesn't always work. Sometimes you get voted off the island and never LEaBe. I mean leave.
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 03:29pm PT
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HT made some good points initially. But now the thing has a momentum all its own, the mob has assert...
what's nuts to me is I have 12K posts, started many, and this has the highest post rate and volume of any. f*#king sad if you ask me.....
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Feb 10, 2012 - 03:31pm PT
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I only have 2500 posts, but I make 'em count.
Like this one, so worth it.
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 03:31pm PT
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Dingus - bowels not in an uproar. On the contrary. It's just I thought my other OP's to be of much more value! ;-)
Jebus +2
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Feb 10, 2012 - 03:32pm PT
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There is the question of free speech
Will all due respect Jim, that's really BS. There is no free speech issue AT ALL. They are free to stand on the street corner and utilize their free speech rights just like any other day.
The NY Times refusing to publish my opinion pieces is not a free speech issue, and this is no different. Private website, etc.
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nature
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 03:34pm PT
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Post count is not a score, nature. Its an indictment.
Is fatty gonna tool me now? I'VE BEEN INDICTED!
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Feb 10, 2012 - 03:36pm PT
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Charges? Cyberstalking, LEB?
EDIT: I'm curious. I wonder what would happen if we all registered to a "Nurse Practioner" site and subjected them the 22,000 post LEB treatment, as she has done here?
I'm guessing we'd all be banned in nanoseonds.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Feb 10, 2012 - 03:39pm PT
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DMT
was that a polite way of telling me to STFU?
Don't worry. Offense not taken.
(insert 1 smiley face after STFU)
Whoooo boy donini. Now you've opened the door to the asylum.
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 03:40pm PT
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Hell, this is train-wreck watchable!
Does this make the conductor? At least I'm not Italian.
wooo! 500th post!
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Feb 10, 2012 - 03:41pm PT
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Does this make the conductor? At least I'm not Italian.
No, you're the ticket checker.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Feb 10, 2012 - 03:42pm PT
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You're absolutely correct Elcap..., my mistake, this is a private website, but I think that nukings on ST often seem very arbitrary. I know that is the priviledge of the website administrators but it makes me a bit uneasy.
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apogee
climber
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Feb 10, 2012 - 03:43pm PT
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Over 500 posts in 20 hours. Gotta be some kind of ST record.
fattrad's lurking and smiling, somewhere.
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 03:45pm PT
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we know he's lurking.
not sure about smiling...
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 10, 2012 - 03:46pm PT
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Left holding the (soon to be flattened) Bacon, DMT?
After this, Tucson may not let you go, nature.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Feb 10, 2012 - 03:46pm PT
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Nature wrote: At least I'm not Italian.
You should be so lucky!!! :-)
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 03:47pm PT
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Bob - I had hoped that comment was perceived as a thinly veiled stab at a certain ship captain. oh and the CT panties in a bunch crew.
No way Jaybro. I'm outta here the day after sushifest!
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Feb 10, 2012 - 03:51pm PT
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but it makes me a bit uneasy.
Me too, JD.
Nature, "Vada abordo, Cazzo!"
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Feb 10, 2012 - 03:59pm PT
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For all it's occasional inanity, I believe this is a very worthwhile thread.
There've been minimal personal attacks and a serious issue of interest to all SuperTopo users is being intelligently discussed.
Who gets excluded and on what FACTUAL or ethical basis is the question.
That CMac has the right to exclude anyone he likes is not in dispute.
So far, I've heard no facts that ethically justify excluding any of the four people in question.
We've gotten some interesting facts from locker concerning fattrad. Unless they led to some other activity, which so far is just speculation, exclusion isn't justified in my mind. The fattrad facts don't apply to anything I know about FM, weschrist and skipt.
Disclaimer: I've met and spoken at length with fattrad a couple of times. Although I've frequently found him annoying here, he appears to me a decent and often generous person in Real Life. He could of course be Jekyll and Hyde, I've misjudged people before. I've no opinion about the other three; they're just typical internet barking rats as far as I'm concerned.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Feb 10, 2012 - 04:00pm PT
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One of my favorite albums.
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nature
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 04:01pm PT
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There've been minimal personal attacks and a serious issue of interest to all SuperTopo users is being intelligently discussed.
and isn't it ironic that the one person that isn't posting here that would alter that course is the topic of this very thread?
Add one with the lack of skipt on top.
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Curt
Boulder climber
Gilbert, AZ
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Feb 10, 2012 - 04:18pm PT
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...Testing...
...and now back to your regularly scheduled forum.
Curt
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Feb 10, 2012 - 04:19pm PT
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i'm sure that more of a few of us have had our share of being f*#ked over by some rule crazy cops, maybe even CMAC.
so it's like this:
"F*#k You officer, i am in charge around here, and you reservation has been cancelled, "
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Feb 10, 2012 - 04:21pm PT
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What did they get nuked for?
Did they do anything juicy, or did the management just get tired of the usual OT political bickering?
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Feb 10, 2012 - 04:22pm PT
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just go back over all their threads,
see ya in about a month,
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Feb 10, 2012 - 04:24pm PT
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Wes got railroaded, he should be allowed back.
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nature
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 04:26pm PT
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my guess is wes and fatty will be allowed back.
both will be on a short rope.
wes I think gets where his issues lie. Not sure about Jeff. kinda doubt it.
skipt is probably gone for good. That post regarding JStan has no defensible excuse.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Feb 10, 2012 - 04:28pm PT
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Nature wrote: skipt is probably gone for good. That post regarding JStan has no defensible excuse.
Skip had hundreds like that. What a vile human being.
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 04:47pm PT
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one thing that is sadly telling is that in 524 posts not a single person has tried to argue fatty should be allowed back.
how many posts did it take before that started for locker? 522? ;-)
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Prod
Trad climber
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Feb 10, 2012 - 04:49pm PT
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one thing that is sadly telling is that in 524 posts not a single person has tried to argue fatty should be allowed back.
I'd bring Jeff back in a New York second. I like him, he is more genuine than lots of folks that post here.
Prod.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Feb 10, 2012 - 04:51pm PT
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Bob D - the correct response to "I'm not Italian" is "well, nobodys perfect"...LOL
Jim Donini said: "You're absolutely correct Elcap..., my mistake, this is a private website, but I think that nukings on ST often seem very arbitrary. I know that is the priviledge of the website administrators but it makes me a bit uneasy. "
Me too Jim. I think showing up regularly and bopping a post here and there would be a good thing. Showing up and bopping posters without any warning or recourse is not a good process.
ps, I'd be for letting them all back. Fatty, Norton, Fortmental, thedood, thetool, Skipt....everyone.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Feb 10, 2012 - 04:53pm PT
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not a single person has tried to argue fatty should be allowed back Thanks for the challenge.
I say that fattrad was booted without facts or ethical reasons to explain why. The same applies to skipt, FM and weschrist.
Let them all come back. Even though I find 3 of the 4 thoroughly annoying.
We're supposed to be grownups. Or as was once famously said by a controversial President: "If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen"
EDIT: I vaguely recall a very recent thoroughly vile comment from skipt to jstan. It was such garbage, I declined to read much of it. It was hateful. Pissed me off so much I just closed the page and came back a day or two later. So no, I don't recall it clearly.
I've also met and worked at Facelift with jstan. I think he can handle it.
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nature
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 04:54pm PT
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I'd bring Jeff back in a New York second. I like him, he is more genuine than lots of folks that post here.
but he needs to change his behavior.
and i don't know that he can.
HT- I'm cool with him coming back. But he needs a timeout to think about how his bullshit affected the forum.
and HT - I might agree on the others but skipt is gone for good. there is no way to explain away his post pointed at JStan. Every other posts he's ever made suggests that's his personality.
he's gone. good f*#king riddance.
I say that fattrad was booted without facts or ethical reasons to explain why.
do you read every post on this forum? Why do you think you are entitled to facts. this is a business. CMac can kick any one of us for no reason. I salute that. Get rid of the pipe dream you will get or deserve a reason. you don't
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Feb 10, 2012 - 04:56pm PT
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Except that this is a business. If Chris Mac loses advertisers, or others chose not to advertise here because of the behaviors of some, then they must go. Some of the people who got booted should be able to understand that capitalistic aspect of it.
(Not saying I know that is what is behind this at all. But it is the case for any web business nonetheless).
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 10, 2012 - 04:59pm PT
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Nature, I posted the following way back. I think it is a suitable argument:
As to Fattie's gradual decline into repetitive boorishness perhaps he has porphyria?
Ya know, like King George III?
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 05:00pm PT
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Mypen Issnagoat +1
Reilly - :-) I stand corrected!
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splitter
Trad climber
Hodad surfing the galactic plane
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Feb 10, 2012 - 05:01pm PT
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...that justify excluding any of the four people in question.
I thought there were five total?
Or was one of them justifiably excluded and therefore not questionable?
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ME Climb
climber
Behind the Orange Curtain
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Feb 10, 2012 - 05:07pm PT
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I was going to post, but someone said LEO's don't belong hanging wioth climbers. I will let all my partners know.
Eric
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Feb 10, 2012 - 05:09pm PT
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Get rid of the pipe dream you will get or deserve a reason. you don't I am very aware that I don't "deserve" a reason. Even if CMac boots me.
IF there's any thread CMac monitors, I expect it is this one right now.
Does anyone think the advertisers read our drivel? Not on your life. They don't have the time. The only thing they count is the amount of traffic and if we click on their ads.
Faux News, among others, thrives on drivel, slander and fractious, inane dispute.
After all, this IS a business.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 10, 2012 - 05:12pm PT
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Hey, I'm seein' an ad for 'outdoor party tents'. How appropriate!
But then I got an even more relevant one:
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Feb 10, 2012 - 05:12pm PT
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HT, ElCap pointed out that posting yesterday. Skipt was gone in minutes.
He's been obsessed with JStan since the Creationists thread 2 years ago. I suspect it's some kind of traditional Catholic thing against a secular smart guy issue. Whatever it is, he should not be allowed back.
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splitter
Trad climber
Hodad surfing the galactic plane
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Feb 10, 2012 - 05:13pm PT
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CMac can kick any one of us for no reason.
Make us go home and play with our own toys!
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 05:14pm PT
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Faux News, among others, thrives on drivel, slander and fractious, inane dispute.
+1
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apogee
climber
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Feb 10, 2012 - 05:16pm PT
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"Does anyone think the advertisers read our drivel? Not on your life. They don't have the time."
No doubt they aren't following every thread and every post. I would bet that, when a company considers advertising on ST, they do at least a good scan of the site & the forum, and probably monitor/scan it occasionally once those ads are posted. It's not hard to imagine an advertiser seeing some of the schlock that gets posted here and having it form a negative impression of ST, and whether it's the kind of place they want to associate their product/service/business with.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Feb 10, 2012 - 05:20pm PT
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apogee
Yup, I had oversimplified it.
But in the end, all the advertisers are interested in is "eyeballs" and "clicks". Someone commented earlier how fast this thread had grown.
And there is a high proportion of "real climbers" who buy real stuff on this thread.
It's just a business.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Feb 10, 2012 - 05:25pm PT
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stzzo
I was thinking along your lines at first, but CMac mentioned just yesterday (or Wednesday) that he'd spoken directly with a couple of advertisers. In a niche market like climbing and climbing suppliers business relationships do get more personal.
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 05:25pm PT
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Edit: Try it out. Throw some bizarre (random off-topic) keywords in the thread and see what ads appear.
butt plug. cleveland steamer.
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apogee
climber
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Feb 10, 2012 - 05:26pm PT
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Hooolly shite! It worked!
I just saw a Rick Santorum ad pop up!
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 05:26pm PT
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this is the ad I got.
she looks happy. and down with the idea.
oh my!
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Feb 10, 2012 - 05:32pm PT
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eea, Skipt is a great guy! It was surprising that someone both mentally and physically challenged could be so mean to the only people he interacted with.
stinkeye, read philo's insult that skipt was referring to. philo deserved that.
i dont know anytime that skipt went after someone that did not already go after him....but i missed the jstan remark he made.
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nutjob
Gym climber
Berkeley, CA
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Feb 10, 2012 - 05:45pm PT
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Woman: We don't have a lord.
Arthur: What?
Dennis: I told you. We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to sort of act as a sort of executive officer for the week.
Arthur: Yes.
Dennis: But all the decisions of that officer have to be ratified at a special bi-weekly meeting...
Arthur: Yes I see.
Dennis: ...by a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs...
Arthur: Be quiet!
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Feb 10, 2012 - 05:46pm PT
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Does anyone think the advertisers read our drivel? Not on your life. They don't have the time
Chessler might disagree with you there.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Feb 10, 2012 - 05:55pm PT
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Did you know that there are 100,000 saltw#ter crocodiles in Australia?
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Feb 10, 2012 - 05:57pm PT
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I'd like to hear about firsthand accounts of saltw#ter crocodile encounters.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Feb 10, 2012 - 06:10pm PT
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Chessler might disagree with you there. Chessler might be the exception that proves the rule.
But I doubt it, he's got WAYYY too much reading material already. Unless he's taking his iPad to the john.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 10, 2012 - 06:19pm PT
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I'd like to hear about firsthand accounts of saltw#ter crocodile encounters.
Brandon, you'll find those over on the Divorce thread.
Crap, now I gotta go unload my drywall. Maybe I can think of something
else to say........................................................................
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.......................sorry, gotta go.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Feb 10, 2012 - 07:02pm PT
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I was in Patagonia for two months so I evidently missed threads that may have been pertinent to Fatty's demise. Prior to my leaving, I didn't see anything coming from him that would be cause for nuking.
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Feb 10, 2012 - 07:08pm PT
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Fattrad kept the forum on simmer, with all his bumping and starting of political threads. Others were attracted and brought it up to full boil.
Maybe a post count limit of like 5 a day would help with someone like Fattrad.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Feb 10, 2012 - 07:12pm PT
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Bring fatty back on doubble secret probation. ban skipt for life.. YMMV
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Feb 10, 2012 - 07:49pm PT
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Yeah Chris,
I'm with TMC.
Bring Jeff back. He does good things for the community. You can still muzzle him and put him on a short leash.
You don't want to phuque with the jews do you?
;)
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Jim Clipper
climber
from: forests to tree farms
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Feb 10, 2012 - 08:00pm PT
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How about donating 2cents to the access fund for each post?
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Swami Jr.
Trad climber
Bath, NY
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Feb 10, 2012 - 08:05pm PT
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Looking forward to enjoying this forum again. In my humble opinion, there were the same people typing in the same stuff, and none of it had to do with climbing. Ah, the air is already fresher.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Feb 10, 2012 - 08:12pm PT
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The video response was an excellent idea, Cmac! Thanks for taking the time.
So - post so much garbage you bury the relevant content, and eventually you will be booted. He said something about why waiting til it got(gets) so bad - and I think that makes sense. Everyone can have a run, here and there, where they post crap. They get carried away in the moment...maybe later they realize they could have done a lot less... But when it is over and over, ad nauseum - it DOES impact the whole.
I wish Fatty well. CMac DID say those who were deactivated could email him to discuss it. I think that is a generous thing to do. Some might say "but why not have sent the transgressor's an email saying "tone it down or else?"
Because grown up people shouldn't have to be told they are continuously going over the line. Each of those posters KNEW they were being offensive, and in some way, they seemed to find satisfaction in that. They could have - at any time - posted "I realize my joking hasn't been going over well, that I am upsetting people for my own amusement, and I am going to chance." Instead - they ramped up the bile.
The forum has had an immediate transformation to a more positive experience since this banning happened. That is pretty amazing.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Feb 10, 2012 - 08:30pm PT
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Fat Free Forum
less calories, more lean meat,
you miss fats?
ok, i'll be the new fatty,
"you guys should obey the law or else. and never run from a Leo, here is the
chris rock video again, i hang with dick you know,"
http/www.pwkufehgpiuhjdwfgv.com,
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 08:35pm PT
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the reason Chris was looking to the side is because fatty was sitting on that side. It's obvious Chris was looking right at fatty while he was talking.
"consuming all the bandwidth".... bwahhahahahahahahaaahaaaa!!!1111111169
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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Feb 10, 2012 - 08:38pm PT
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dude posted too much
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Feb 10, 2012 - 08:47pm PT
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I routinely click on advertising ads, in much the same way that I thumbed through gear catalogs.
As for the banned folks? It was warrrented, given the disrupting bile they brought with their baggage. Maybe let 'em back in as a probationary measure, to see if they can behave (in a sick-as-f*#k manner, as befitting the rest of us. I certainly think that bringing a certain amount of climbing content would be polite and appropriate.
But...LEB stays, Wes goes? WTF?
Hey, it's not my forum, but I enjoy hearing from the Guidos and Hartounis and Hennys and Pat Aments and Duecys and Long Agos and (egads) Ron Amicks and the BBA's of our little guppy pond, so I'll stick around. Plus I realy wanna meet some of these new mutant Woodson crucherz.
Moreover, most of the homeslice brobras I learned to climb with are postin' up. (Paging Tarbuster!)
Besides, with out me, the (c)original bone-crushing American Legend of this world, this cyber-sewer ain't worth squat. So, out of a sense of duty, I persevere. Otherwise I might as well join in on the ongoing unprotected cicle-jerk fanboy barebackers over at 8.nu.
Carry on, Jesus weep!
PS props to the Mac for his hands-off approach. He only steps in and intervenes when people decide it's so fulla fecal coliform bullshit posts that could delf-destruct the campfire faster than a squad of badge-heavy tools.
Werner/Tucker in 2012! w00t woot!
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 10, 2012 - 09:32pm PT
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But how much of the forum do you want to devote to his explaining himself?
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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Feb 10, 2012 - 09:49pm PT
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seriously, folks acting like the ruling class punished fattie, when they really did him a huge favor
I hope fattie is making better use of his time now
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 09:50pm PT
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allowing him back "too early" would defeat the effort that CMac reluctantly put forth. There was a reason he got sent packing. It would also send a bad message - "f*#k up? no biggie, i'll be back within a week".
skipt on the other hand... should go the way of Mountain Man. Gone. For. Good.
ms55401 +1
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 09:52pm PT
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western, eh?
well.. I need to start planning my yoga class for tomorrow AM. guess I better shift to my eastern thinking.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Feb 10, 2012 - 09:56pm PT
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what book was this from, i forget,
kill the pig, slit his throat, badger him...
animal house?
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apogee
climber
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Feb 10, 2012 - 09:58pm PT
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Lord of the Flies, I believe.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Feb 10, 2012 - 10:00pm PT
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Happie-G writes:
"Some might say "but why not have sent the transgressor's an email saying "tone it down or else?"
Because grown up people shouldn't have to be told they are continuously going over the line. Each of those posters KNEW they were being offensive, and in some way, they seemed to find satisfaction in that."
AMEN.
That hit the pin square on the head.
People get bounced out of here for the exact same reason they get 86d out of a bar: they became bad for business, or pissed-off the bartender ( or both ).
If some guy brought a Palin Vagina Face photo into my bar - and passed it around for anybody who came in to see ( including the kids, and sophisticated women ) - he'd be shown the door there too.
I'm not a choirboy, or even religious. I was kicked out of school. I grew up in places like pool halls, bars, and bowling alleys, and then worked the majority of my life in those places. I've probably forgotten more off-color jokes than most people have ever even heard - AND I can find the humor them. Vulgar and obscene language is my specialty. To me, skilled swearing is both interesting and educational.
( I can't help but wonder, though, if the guys who post up the racy photos of women have mothers, sisters, daughters, or have ever had wives or girlfirends they cared about. )
But there is a time and place for everything. You really need to know your audience if you want to break out the crap you know will offend somebody. Here, anybody could be viewing - even kids. So I can totally understand C-Mac wanting to change the vibe of the place by 86-ing a few customers.
Your Mom might not be reading this, but you know damn well somebody's Mom is.
And when you post 30+ times, in one day, to a non-climbing thread, you may be part of the problem.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Feb 10, 2012 - 10:09pm PT
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Fattrads Mom is watching and reaching for the bar of soap....Bwaaahhhhhaaaaaa little fatty...Bad boy.....
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Feb 10, 2012 - 10:13pm PT
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Philo, some of your writing is uber condescending and borderline hateful too.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Feb 10, 2012 - 10:36pm PT
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If you mean that all those hits that bring in bigger ad dollars for CMac are a problem, we should all be so cursed.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Feb 10, 2012 - 10:38pm PT
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Animal House is "Thank you. sir. May I have another".
"Kill the pig." is Lord Of The Flies
But, "badger him"????? Ya got me.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Feb 10, 2012 - 10:41pm PT
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If Fatty was a politician, I'd probably be clamboring for him to be sent to the Hague for war crimes
But he is a supporter of the community, knows people in person, and so on
I'd have him back if we slap his fat butt first
Peace
Karl
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Feb 10, 2012 - 10:43pm PT
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No new threads for 3 months and 10 post per day limit.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Feb 10, 2012 - 10:46pm PT
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Chaz - you and I are on the same page. We are adults. There is a time and place for everything. Yeah, we can show some risque stuff here and there, but the hate - meh, take it elsewhere.
As someone posted above - the spring cleaning feels great! I am dreaming of posting TRs and climbing and fun again without fear of heinous attack. Love it! Thanks Chris Mac!
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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Feb 10, 2012 - 11:11pm PT
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When people are free to post pics with a penis coming from someone's head (the original copyrighted image was stolen, BTW, by Crowley from a large medical organization - I never released it)
Malicious alteration of members personal pics should be a no-no.
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 11:12pm PT
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what's really too bad is this thread, my thread, has diverted us from frying MTucker.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Feb 10, 2012 - 11:31pm PT
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From CMac's thread "3 Goals for SuperTopo Forum in 2012; what are yours? + Video" - link: http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1747712/3-Goals-for-SuperTopo-Forum-in-2012-what-are-yours-Video
Since anyone can post as many times as they want, there is the ability for a person or group to steer the entire Forum to reading what they want by bumping their topics to the top. If a person or group chooses to do that, the Forum is no longer as free and open a place because they are taking disproportionate control of what the rest of the Forum sees listed on the top. We hope people will not abuse this power and for the most part people don't.
We depend on people to self-monitor. And when things get out of hand, which they sometimes do, we depend on Forum members to point this out.
It's not just about hateful posts/images(which I do agree are very cruel and those who do such manipulations are way out of line), but also thread bumping because a person wants to keep their (non-climbing, and usually pretty low-quality) topic in the spotlight.
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part-time communist
climber
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Feb 10, 2012 - 11:33pm PT
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All I remember of fat boy was from my past thread on supertopo...he posted a fair bit on that historical thread. But his posts always creeped me out a bit, like that was the first time I was posting on supertopo, and I was already getting the creepy vibe about someone I didn't know anything about or how he behaved in other threads.
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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Feb 10, 2012 - 11:54pm PT
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Rokjox - Sort of. It is an ominous sign though. Maybe its the beginning of the end like they say 2012 is supposed to be.
Have to ask ourselves that when Fattrad is nuked from ST how far off are the world ending earthquakes and tsunamis?
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 11, 2012 - 12:06am PT
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lol! strong work, rox.
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cleo
Social climber
the canyon below the Ditch!!!!
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Feb 11, 2012 - 01:24am PT
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I don't really get why certain people get all riled up about LEB. She's never said anything offensive, and posts exclusively in OT threads (the same place the riled up people post - kettle, meet pot). LEB is alright with me..
Anyway... there WAS abundant obnoxious and hateful posting. I'm glad to see it go.
Fattrad, I like you in person, but I think the quality of your posts have decreased in the past few years. When they let you back, I'd be happy to see Fattrad circa 2008 (Jody's evil twin) again :).
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Matt
Trad climber
it's all turtles, all the way dooowwwwwnn!!!!!
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Feb 11, 2012 - 01:37am PT
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attn: powers that be on ST
i'll make you a deal:
ban all canadian pedophiles, and lowest, and i'll post regularly again.
(about climbing, even! =)
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dogtown
Trad climber
Cheyenne, Wyoming and Marshall Islands atoll.
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Feb 11, 2012 - 04:24am PT
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I think it’s OK to ban yourself now and again, I did it. But of course I was pretty drunk at the time.
See-ya
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Feb 11, 2012 - 06:08am PT
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is this the Player Haters Convention?
i nominate buck nasty cuz his coat be made outta his mama's pubic hair,
so who can afford a new computer so they can get a new IP and new email and new login name?
these folks will be easy to spot when they sneak back, believe me,
they will try to hide their writing style for a bit but we know.
yes, we know.
man that toilet thing is gonna give me a hashish nightmare, wtf, over?
sheesh, fatty lost 5 computers in one day, the 4 at the rip off shop and the one he has to throw in the recycle cuz the IP is blacklisted all over the net,
how is he gonna explain the ripple wine at the dinner table to the girlfriend?
like a guy in a cage, don't get too close or he might try and grab yo hair,or worse,
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Feb 11, 2012 - 07:23am PT
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the real irony is that the purge resulted in this thread which is useing up bandwidth, cluttering up the front page and has degenerated into a pathetic mud slingingfest.....
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Feb 11, 2012 - 08:16am PT
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Feb 11, 2012 - 08:18am PT
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I haven't read any of this, but any nuking that doesn't include the LEB avatar (old and new) means the blast radius simply wasn't wide enough.
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Feb 11, 2012 - 10:47am PT
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We're now at 600 posts discussing something in the wrong place. Instead of gloating or harping or ranting here, may I suggest you listen to Chris Mac's video linked immediately below, and offer constructive comments in the appropriate place? He talks about goals of the forum and how he moderates it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EfTgqgJEOPQ
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1747712/3-Goals-for-SuperTopo-Forum-in-2012-what-are-yours-Video
Chris is trying to do a good job running this McForum, and he explains how and why in the video above. Post some useful comments and suggestions in the other thread, because he will be reading it.
600 posts here, and only 50 on the other thread? That is annoying and lame. This thread has jumped the shark - do us all a favour and let it die.
P.S. I can knott figure out how the hell to embed Chris' video here in my post. If someone can email me instructions I would appreciate it. I copied and pasted the alleged "embed" url from Youtube, but it doesn't work.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Feb 11, 2012 - 11:17am PT
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The video was also posted a few days ago on this thread was it Knott?
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Feb 11, 2012 - 11:17am PT
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Thanks, Locker. Mucho appreciado.
NOW can we let this thread die????
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Feb 11, 2012 - 11:24am PT
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If you want this thread to die, you shouldn't have posted to it. And you shouldn't have posted a video (or tried to) that was posted here several pages ago.
While you see hate on this thread (there is some) several of us have used it to thank Chris - and we did so before he put up the newer thread. It was also used to discuss/inform about five folks that got banned - not just fatty. Suppose we could have started five threads?
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go-B
climber
Habakkuk 3:19 Sozo
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Feb 11, 2012 - 11:34am PT
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RIP, Fattrad ran it out!
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redrocker
climber
NV
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Feb 11, 2012 - 11:43am PT
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From Lolli a few posts back.
As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even to the dull and the ignorant, they too have their story. Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit.
...keep peace in your soul. With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams; it is still a beautiful world.
Worth repeating.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Feb 11, 2012 - 11:46am PT
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No matter what is going on...
Locker is nearly always GUILTY!
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Feb 11, 2012 - 12:01pm PT
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there are only 2 other persons that has given me the tiniest bit of grief
Werner and LEB
HEY NOW!
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jstan
climber
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Feb 11, 2012 - 12:45pm PT
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I watched Chris' excellent video. Along the lines he sketched what do I think we can do to further improve ST?
1. Frequency of posting: When I can, I edit a prior post of mine. Repetitive posting tends to direct a thread. Something to be avoided.
2. Alternatives to posting: Posting involves pulling the public at large into what sometimes should be a discussion between individuals. That totally changes the environment. Both are personal expressions but a PM, if worded carefully with respect for individuality can achieve much more. Just because it is not a public act. This too, however, can easily be overdone.
3. Quitting the Forum: I would be really mortified were I to say publicly how my elevated principles have caused me to quit, but then found I could not stick the landing. But more seriously, such expressions indicate the Forum is being used for self-validation. Ideas, history, knowledge, and discussion is the medium that rewards us the most.
None of us needs personal validation.
Those of us, who are still breathing, have all learned how to tolerate things to which we take exception.
4. MIssed potential: A climber who actually hates the activity, would be a most painful example of missed potential. In 1970 we were witnesses to an act by our community that staggers the mind. When we abandoned the use of pins and took risks with our own lives we selflessly acted for the common good. Each and every person among us did this, on their own.
For forty years I have awoken each morning still unable to figure out how that happened. Just think for a moment. How quickly we could solve the health care problem if that were to happen again.
If used well, the internet would be a tool central to such a meeting of the minds.
A meeting of the minds so badly needed.
Edit after reading Ed's note:
I can't comment on your evaluation of my role. It isn't possible for someone to evaluate their own contributions.
It was at the Trust's climbers' meeting that I sensed the pure determination all those people had. That we would preserve the Gunks. I started out fearing I was just a voice. After that meeting I knew we had a revolution. As you said, then it was just a matter of getting good data on an alternative.
But how was it all of that selfless determination suddenly appeared? Was it from nowhere?
How is that Facelift, suddenly appeared?
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apogee
climber
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Feb 11, 2012 - 12:53pm PT
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Thanks for the wise words, jstan.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Feb 11, 2012 - 12:57pm PT
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In 1970 we were witnesses to an act by our community that staggers the mind. When we abandoned the use of pins and took risks with our own lives we selflessly acted for the common good. Each and every person among us did this, on their own.
For forty years I have awoken each morning still unable to figure out how that happened. Just think for a moment. How quickly we could solve the health care problem if that were to happen again.
ah, this is called leadership even if the leader (you in this case) didn't have the explicit affirmation of the community. You were exceptional in both your scientific analytics and your climbing, you figured out what the important aspects of protection by piton and by nut, demonstrated to your satisfaction that nuts would provide adequate protection and then adopted that mode of protection. You did this with members of the community that were respected.
In the hierarchy of climbing, those which show outstanding climbing ability are the leaders, however momentarily they possess those skills. In that moment, you brought both things together.
You don't know how it happened because you didn't think it could have happened any differently than it did, but without you it would have happened over a longer period of time. Others went along because they were not as close to the cutting edge of climbing as you were then, and their protection needs were perceived, rightly or wrongly, as not as severe as yours. In other words, if it was good enough for you, then it was good enough for them.
When it comes down to it, most if not all climbers have little understanding of protection, it is largely a prescription for them... in the rare case that it is figured out, Stannard for nuts, Jardine developed cams, the results were quickly adopted because of the possibilities for the protection were also demonstrated in pushing the boundaries of what was possible.
IMHO
The Facelift didn't just happen, it had been happening in bits for a while, a few people initially doing what they thought was right... and then getting other people to think and realize that we could do something, bit-by-bit, and have an effect
I have friends who don't participate in the Facelift, but do its work all the year 'round, it is, after all, the right thing to do if you are committed to preserving a beloved place.
But someone like Ken, who had credibility in both the NPS and the climbing community could come forward and make the effort coherent, the Facelift. He had the vision to see what was required to bring these different communities together based on the overlap of their values, and it worked.
It didn't just require data, the safety of nut question above, but someone who could identify what the important data was, and to validate the results of the experiment, and explain them to others if only through their own actions.
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Tobia
Social climber
GA
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Feb 11, 2012 - 01:08pm PT
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I just counted 18 non-climbing threads to the front page. I do believe that is an indication of how many "OT" threads are of interest to persons here.
Factor in the variety of different posters to a "OT" thread for a better indicator of "OT" interest. The ratio of # of posts and variety of posters would determine that.
(Not to be used in consideration of the "What Song..." thread.)
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Tobia
Social climber
GA
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Feb 11, 2012 - 01:45pm PT
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I don't really get why certain people get all riled up about LEB. She's never said anything offensive, and posts exclusively in OT threads (the same place the riled up people post - kettle, meet pot). LEB is alright with me..
Its called mob mentality.
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apogee
climber
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Feb 11, 2012 - 01:46pm PT
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"In that context,-"She doesn't climb" is a pretty weak rationale for censuring an individual who doesn't employ malevolent actions."
There have been plenty of 'contributions' by actual climbers that have been far more negative and destructive than anything Lois has ever posted.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Feb 11, 2012 - 06:01pm PT
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Just went through (most of) this thread… Found some gems I thought I'd give a thought on…
(at the outset I'd like to claim my undying love for happiegrrrl, Lolli and Crimpergirl. Early on there were posts that I just thought perfectly expressed something I had had either not been able to put into words so elequently or showed me a view that I had not previously considered in a very clear way. And they are beautiful people)
Nature!!! Right on!
"The problem with her is she thinks she's making a point or has something valuable to offer when the reality is she misses the mark. and my observation is most folks react by beating their head against a wall trying to point out her denseness. most of the taco is frustrated with that and would simply like it gone. If it was me and I was on a forum and almost everyone wishes I would just leave.... I'd leave w/o a single word. but again... it's the denseness at play."
 Damn!!! Now that is as clear a statement as I have seen pointing out exactly what the problem is regarding the mindless postings of a non-climber (never have been climber, never will be climber, may not have ever even considered climbing a valid activity/sport pre-ST forum). Thank you very much Nature for your putting a voice to/putting words to the frustrations I think many forum posters have tried to express but may not have in such clear terms.
Locker's-
""Hi Locker, you seem to be curious about the "revenge", it was not exactly revenge. The day I was banned, my office was broken into (4 computers stolen). I did not know that it was a mass banning at the time. So, when asked "who does not like you right now", I offered up CMac and RJ as highly unlikely suspects. And I repeated "highly unlikely". And the building has had several break in the last few months, we only found this out later. So, they will likely not be contacted, but they are on a report. If CMac had given more details as to why I was banned and that others had also been banned, I would never have mentioned his name. You are free to post this to ST if you like. I also wrote to CMac that I didn't mind being banned for the "trangressions" as long as others were as well.""
If this was really an email from fattard I personally find it to show clearly how much of an idiot he really truly is and I agree with Locker. Why would the names need to be brought into the matter (a.k.a having no connection)
Recent break in (may or may not be total BS as most of us seem to know)
A break in that involves local police and when asked "who does not like you right now" the only people to come off the tongue of this upright citizen is CMac and RJ? For real? No really? Wait, ow I see where I am wrong… I usually wait to be presented with evidence before I start making claims such as this…. to the authorities…. (if it is true at all).
If it is true that fattard is at the same time: a guy who adopts children and gives to charities while also being an online virtual c#&% and adding random peoples names to police reports without any real evidence…. I think this should show that the supertopo is literally a better place without fattard.
bvb -
"My favorite Fattrad pathology was his insisitance on repeatedly reposting images of "Certificates" and "Letters of Appreciation" from low-level municipal functionaries. I have mountains of those things, only they came to me by way of the Deputy Director of the Secret Service, a personal letter from Secretary Rumsfeld, etc.
Didn't hang on to a single one of 'em. meh. They didn't hold half the water as, say, an offhand, personal, C4 compliment from Walt Shipley or Duecy or Kevin or Tucker. Those were way harder to come by, and infinately more valuable.
Fattrad, indeed."
Perfect description of the menace fattard
Malemute
"If you are impervious to logic & reason, then you are dense.
If you need to self-validate through an internet forum, you are pathetic."
Clearly stated and sharp as a razor.
After reading this thread…. and finally writing on a ST forum without the tardness of the fattard…. I can finally say this is a form of tooling that is oh so fitting of the tool known as fattard. Fattard may now consider himself publicly tooled. I find it kind of ironic that the guy who mentioned tooling others all the f*#king time is now receiving the tool. After all, her is a tool.
Jingy - total 5994 forum postings found.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Feb 11, 2012 - 06:14pm PT
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wow jingy
nice summaries, all seem spot on
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Feb 11, 2012 - 10:37pm PT
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Thanks, jstan. I second Ed's evaluation of your contribution to clean climbing. Even though I never met you personally until Facelift a couple of years ago, I knew about you and your leadership in clean climbing from at least 1970. I think Chouinard's introduction of stoppers and hexes, as well as Doug Robinson's article in the 1972 Chouinard catalog, coupled with Tom Frost's article in the AAJ all helped, too. I think the clincher was that the climbers I most admired were climbing clean, other than on aid first ascents.
I'm not sure how this translates to this forum, though, because I'm not quite sure who the leaders are. I do know that your posts and Ed's have a lot of admirers including me, but there are so many others whose posts or threads I read simply because they posted them, that it's hard to pick just a few. Unfortunately, I don't see anyone with the stature that you had in the east, or, say, Robbins had for me, to emulate.
Maybe we can begin with Chris, who keeps this campfire going. I thought he did a good job in his video as well. A little editing and self-restraint would go a long way on most of the problems.
We also need to consider that most climbers (at least most that I know, including me) have a certain rebellious, anarchic, distaste for regimentation, so more rigidity or stronger moderation doesn't strike me as a good change.
Again, thanks for your usual, insightful, comments.
John
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apogee
climber
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Feb 11, 2012 - 10:49pm PT
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John Stannard
(Hope I'm not outing you, jstan.)
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Feb 12, 2012 - 12:09am PT
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I vote for keeping LEB around simply because she is so easy to ignore, and she adds value for those rare times when I am so bored and at loose ends that teasing a small kitten with some catnip on a string actually has entertainment value.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Feb 12, 2012 - 12:17am PT
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Trust me LEB, anything I have to say to you will be right here, for the benefit of my peers, visible to all in the cold public light of day.
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apogee
climber
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Feb 12, 2012 - 12:24am PT
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Not really...there are plenty of bvb groupies around who've got his back.
Anybody got your back, Lois?
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Feb 12, 2012 - 12:25am PT
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apogee
climber
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Feb 12, 2012 - 12:31am PT
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That picture can't be Lois. The ForeheadPhallus® is missing.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Feb 12, 2012 - 12:32am PT
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"The wild west and animal farm can only last so long ......"
Well said Werner. Classic.
This is what the forum is about, IMO. Climbing and BS... they sort of go together. And I like (though don't really know) most of the posters.
ChrisMac, my hat's off to you, but don't clean up too much.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Feb 12, 2012 - 12:33am PT
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Matt
Trad climber
it's all turtles, all the way dooowwwwwnn!!!!!
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Feb 12, 2012 - 12:43am PT
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whatever-
at times this forum can be kinda cool-
but it also kinda does really SUCK in some ways-
and one of the biggest ways (THE BIGGEST WAY?) it sucks is you (lois)
no offense or anything, just calling a spade a spade.
have at it, once someone pisses all over their spot, and it stinks like them, who cares about that spot? seriously.
so lowest, it's all yours.
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Jim Clipper
climber
from: forests to tree farms
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Feb 12, 2012 - 12:44am PT
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Hey BVB, missing the politricks?
That photo? Flashback to the 80's or was it early 90's? History NEArly has a way of repeating itself, at least I hope not.
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apogee
climber
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Feb 12, 2012 - 12:51am PT
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'starting' to take up bandwidth?
Dooood, this thread crossed the 500 mark less than 20 hours from it's origination!
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strangeday
Trad climber
Brea ca.
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Feb 12, 2012 - 01:26am PT
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Wow, I actually go climbing for a few days, and come back to this....
One of the things I like about this forum is the level of self control and decency that 95% of the posters have. It's quite rare to find a forum that is essentially un-moderated. I rarely post much, but do lurk quite a bit. The last few months, things have gotten to the point where I've been avoiding the forum, because the incessant bickering that goes on in the OT threads seemed to be spilling over into the relevant threads. The level of civility that used to be present here has been lacking. Hopefully everybody can check their egos, go back to playing nice, and realize that we are guests of CMac here, and we play by his rules. There are plenty of other forums where photoshopping a dick on someone's forehead is not only allowed, but encouraged... Maybe some people should go post there.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Feb 12, 2012 - 01:59am PT
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maybe people should not tell other people what to do,
especially total strangers,
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strangeday
Trad climber
Brea ca.
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Feb 12, 2012 - 02:42am PT
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Oh yeah, this is the Internet, it's serious business....
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Feb 12, 2012 - 04:57am PT
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whats your jingi?
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jstan
climber
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Feb 12, 2012 - 06:28am PT
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I woke up in a cold sweat. Somehow I sensed that Apogee had outed me. All the trouble I went to in order to have an encrypted avatar - wasted.
(Actually I was just copying RGold. As always, he succeeded where I failed. No one knows who Goldstone is. The truth? He considers the question completely unimportant. { That's the way it is with algebraic topolgists.} )
Caylor has it right though. Who someone is makes no difference as long as you are running your life as you think is right. Each person is their own judge and jury. That's a hard job though. Have to work at it each and every day.
I wonder if the idea "no control is needed on the internet" is part of a search for ultimate freedom. Some sort of idealized concept. A concept idealized to the point of becoming meaningless. What's the reward for being a slave to the "search for freedom"? I need help. Have not figured that out.
Following your own chosen path, and changing it when the need arises, seems good.
A thought on the atmosphere here.
If you close your hand into a fist, you will meet only people who are ready to fight.
Why do this?
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Tobia
Social climber
GA
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Feb 12, 2012 - 08:16am PT
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Cragman,
I hadn't finished my first cup of coffee when I looked at your post, I had to get a paper towel to wipe my screen off to clarify.
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Slakkey
Big Wall climber
From Back to Big Wall Baby
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Feb 12, 2012 - 10:26am PT
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Coz nails it.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Feb 12, 2012 - 10:30am PT
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Coz...the voice of reason.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Feb 12, 2012 - 11:52am PT
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making a comment or two ON TOPIC when it is relevant.
Except that "total 21486 forum postings found"….
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Feb 12, 2012 - 11:56am PT
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Give Fatty a chance....sure he's a blowhard for the political right but he can be generous, as anyone who has been to Facelift can attest to.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Feb 12, 2012 - 12:11pm PT
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donini - One's generosity is not a good reason for keeping them around and it does not excuse them for being a virtual dickhead.
From the looks of it fattard seems to be taking this in stride. Or haven't you heard? Fattard does not need supertopo. He can make plenty of money anywhere he goes because he is an able bodied human being.
And I think that supertopo has shown that it does not need fattard. Much like a surgeon Chris extracted the tumor with a scalpel. If Chris was more like fattard he might have used a chainsaw and let the chips fall where they may.
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2012 - 12:17pm PT
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The tone on supertopo has changed with his absence. It's less negative. Maybe not by much.
I've not read hardly anyone saying to not let him back. But he needs a good long time out in my opinion. CMac is making a point and that point gets defeated if we were to all team up and vote for him back on the island in short order.
How long of a time out is long enough? IT's better for everyone really. Fatty needs to think long and hard about why his actions got him booted. He seems to not understand it. He needs to otherwise he won't change.
That is evident in TheTools posting - nothing changed.
as far as skipt goes - he should be gone for good. The other two.... not sure.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Feb 12, 2012 - 12:38pm PT
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LEB...I don't know if i would call Jingy judgemental...? Maybe analytical and deep thinking...I notice that he applies the same scrutiny for himself on occasion....RJ
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Feb 12, 2012 - 12:39pm PT
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That's the same noise fartrad makes from his gassy pepsi and twinky diet...Some people liken it to a chainsaw...RJ
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Feb 12, 2012 - 12:39pm PT
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That was a good rip Hank.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 12, 2012 - 12:44pm PT
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That's why ya don't wanna climb below me.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Feb 12, 2012 - 12:45pm PT
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LEB wrote: You are certainly rather judgmental of anyone and everyone.
The pot calling the kettle black. You are beyond belief.
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apogee
climber
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Feb 12, 2012 - 12:53pm PT
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nature +1
If/when fattrad comes back, I do hope his persona adjusts a bit. I have no problem with his CapitalistRepug Cheney's-my-buddy stuff...the shift that occurred about a year ago, with the constant 8th grade namecalling ('moron' ,'piece of crap'), needs to be reset. fattrad is such a prolific poster that this kind of repetition does have an effect on the tone here. He needs to acknowledge that, take responsibility for it, and change it.
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apogee
climber
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Feb 12, 2012 - 01:01pm PT
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Don't do it, Bob!
She's taunting you, like Scylla and Charybdis!
Resist! Resist! Resist!!!
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Feb 12, 2012 - 01:01pm PT
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LEB wrote: You are certainly rather judgmental of anyone and everyone. Seems just about all of your posts are commentaries on how terrible xyz person is. If it is not one person you rale against, it is yet another. It would occur to me that you could be a little less inclined to ever cast forth stones.
Here's a start...just two post ago.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Feb 12, 2012 - 01:05pm PT
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Now I understand how hippos kill more people than crocodiles.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Feb 12, 2012 - 01:08pm PT
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It sounded like a kid said "AWESOME!" at the end of that fart video.
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Roughster
Sport climber
Vacaville, CA
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Feb 12, 2012 - 01:09pm PT
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LEB: When was the last time you went climbing or contributed to a climbing related topic?
Everyone should be asking this every time you post.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Feb 12, 2012 - 01:30pm PT
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Malamute,
So by your premise, I shouldn't post here?
I haven't posted a TR in two years and haven't climbed for one year, ACL.
I like shooting the sh#t with people about a wide variety of topics.
I've been a climber for twenty years. Does my recent non involvement in the pursuit somehow relegate me to 'shouldn't be here' status?
Is it wrong that I start OT threads with people who have been posting with me for eight years because my body fights back when I climb?
Riddle me that.
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apogee
climber
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Feb 12, 2012 - 01:30pm PT
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Resist!
Resist!
Resist!!!!!!!1111
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Feb 12, 2012 - 01:31pm PT
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Walling Edit:
JIngy (and some of the other giddy Libs) do you really thing you ought to be dancing on his grave?
Uh…….., yes? What if I don't care one way or the other? Does that change anything? So I express a little joy over not having to deal with your name-dropping political running-mate. (he made sure to mention your name and John Long's in enough posts to earn the title). Hopefully, when I get the boot bluetard, letard, skiptard and youtard will have your chance to do the dance too. Good riddance.
Your posting history is a little thin on climbing related content and you sling the sh#t and insults pretty good in the polytard threads.
You are correct. I haven't been climbing in nearly a year, maybe more. Maybe you haven't heard, I'm really shaky these days and I have no balance and most strenuous activity leads to about a week of pain. These days I have to do my climbing through the camera lens of the folks posting to the supertopo.
It is a sad f*#king existence, I know. But I can't just die!!! I've still got a job to do and that means I have health insurance, which means I have a lot of bills to pay…. Isn't that reason enough to stick around?
Tell you what… You find me a post that I have slung sh#t and insults in, post the date and time and I'll get 5 times the amount which fattard slung sh#t and insults in the same period of time. Here, fattard stands alone with his insults and slung sh#t.
Think about it. Are your lies better than his lies?
C'mon…. Please, post up date and time of lies posted by Jingy? You only have to go through a few thousand posts to find it. (also, this implies that both Jingy and fattard "lie" that Russ Walling knows of. Since I know that I don't, I see this as "fattard knowingly lies all the time and Russ Walling knows it.")
Is your constant braying for your "side" really any better than his braying?
No, of course not. My writing is no better than anyone's writing. fattard and I may be passionate about polar opposites of the political spectrum. That makes us equals. But I'm still glad he's gone.
Is your posting legacy that of an astute political thinker laying out ideas and philosophies in an intelligent fashion, or are you just a megaphone for "your" team?
Now your getting somewhere. To answer the first part: Simply NO.
Do I present myself as "astute"? Have I ever? You've met me.. I'm not that bright, am I? Do I really present myself as having ideas and philosophies and present them intelligently? I do not think so and I hope that others don't either- If so, please don't read too much into what is written on a screen. There may just be a complete nobody on the other end feebly writing just as mindlessly as anyone else.
What if I told you that I don't think of myself as "better" than anyone else? Would that change your mind about me?
What if I told you that I feel that I have a pretty healthy idea of who I am and exactly how insignificant I am, in the grand scheme of things. That does not bother me. It is exactly because I have this view that I am able to see people for who they are rather than what they are hyped to be or the image that they project. fattard may be your friend, but that only says something about who you keep as your friend (something you have some control over - who you think of as "friend") but to others he was/is a complete ass.
Hope this explains things a little better (something many people never really do until it's too late, then they slip into the "misunderstood" category and… I don't want to be in there). Plus - There are daily reminders of Why Republicans are so wrong about everything…. so I post up.
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 12, 2012 - 01:36pm PT
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The dog Malemute is just another whiny bitch.
This place is a wasteland of whiny bitchy complainers ....
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Feb 12, 2012 - 01:38pm PT
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Yeah, I thought you were needlessly mad-dogging me.
Cheers.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Feb 12, 2012 - 01:38pm PT
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hey troll - Either show me an example or STFU. Please be sure to post up date and time so that we all know how far you had to go back.
Your just like a plastic bag stuck in a tree at this point
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 12, 2012 - 01:50pm PT
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nature +1
If/when fattrad comes back, I do hope his persona adjusts a bit. I have no problem with his CapitalistRepug Cheney's-my-buddy stuff...the shift that occurred about a year ago, with the constant 8th grade namecalling ('moron' ,'piece of crap'), needs to be reset. fattrad is such a prolific poster that this kind of repetition does have an effect on the tone here. He needs to acknowledge that, take responsibility for it, and change it.
Apogee, you and Doug are an excercise in hypocritical censorship. It only needs to go away when you disagree with it.
There are other names for this, of course. People like you are very dangerous to a free and open society.
And your glee in seeing their censorship is very troubling. F*#king sad actually.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Feb 12, 2012 - 01:54pm PT
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The dog fight of inflexible mind pitted against inflexible mind only results in increasing rancor and name calling (whether of the openly vulgar or more overlooked but just as insidious passive aggressive sort). Status quo = personal vendettas, factions yelling at each other louder and louder, neither side winning converts.
Exactly. There are probably many people on ST who would like to participate in discussions about politics and religion. I certainly would. But as long as the inflexible minds on both sides just keep screaming, what is the point?
CMac's booting of one such person is a step in the right direction. If he'd deactivate a couple more, then maybe it would be possible to have a rational discussion/debate. But as you say, inflexible mind vs. inflexible mind instantly kills that possibility. As things now stand, looking into the political forums is the internet equivalent of being forced to listen to fingernails scraping on blackboards -- amplified to 11.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Feb 12, 2012 - 01:55pm PT
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JHB
Fatty and crew typify the intellectual dishonesty inherent to the "debates" engaged in on this and most every internet forum or news outlet I have observed. Nobody is entering discussions with the idea of learning something new and examining their own stances. That would be weakness, getting outmaneuvered. Very well said.
Unfortunately this is also true of the so-called "national discourse" at the moment. The frequent idiocy around here is just a reflection of our elected (or selected by the Big Givers) representatives and Faux News.
fatty, skipt and others who are still here merely parrot what they see and hear.
The worst of it is that these are the same propaganda tactics that were used by the Nazis to take over Germany and Italy. Democratically.
A lot of it started with the demonization of the Others by Reagan's most ardent supporters. And each time the Democrats have been in ascendency the Right Wing fanaticism has gotten sharper and more ideological.
I found it discouraging and not at all surprising that Huntsman, the most rational of the recent candidates was never taken seriously. I think Trump and Palin each had more support.
William F Buckley and even Goldwater are turning over in their graves.
EDIT: when I say Faux News, I mean to imply the myriad so-called "news" outlets of similar "ilk".
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Feb 12, 2012 - 01:57pm PT
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I've never met Fattrad personally, but we had a couple of good exchanges via PM, and he has more than once provided a semi-thoughtful answer to a serious post.
But it had been kind of going downhill lately. Too many "Tool" posts. Trolling occasionally is one thing. Trolling constantly is annoying.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 12, 2012 - 02:09pm PT
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So skipt and Fatty get banned but not Dr.F and Norton???
I smell partisan bullsh#t.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Feb 12, 2012 - 02:16pm PT
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Blue...So skipt and Fatty get banned but not Dr.F and Norton???
I smell partisan bullsh#t.
Yes...CMac is a socialist, commie, longhaired hippie who doesn't like far right wing whack jobs...what's your point? :-)
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apogee
climber
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Feb 12, 2012 - 02:24pm PT
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"...you and Doug are an excercise in hypocritical censorship. It only needs to go away when you disagree with it."
First of all....'exercise'.
bluering, you have blatantly exhibited your ignorance (chosen or unintended) of my perspective on fattrad. Consistently, I've posted that I'd like to see fattrad return, and that while his persona has devolved over the last year or so, he is an important part of this 'community', even if I don't agree with his ideology (RepugCapitalist). My support of his return has clearly been in contrast to the rest of those you would consider to be my ideologic kin (and no doubt has not endeared me).
No, you've chosen to retain your kneejerk view, even if all facts are obviously to the contrary. Whatever, dude.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 12, 2012 - 02:25pm PT
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CMac's booting of one such person is a step in the right direction. If he'd deactivate a couple more, then maybe it would be possible to have a rational discussion/debate
How many is enough? Until we all sing the same tune in lock-step? Is that the goal?
I can understand some banning, but use uniform standards on a rational basis.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Feb 12, 2012 - 02:27pm PT
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bluey
also FortMental
non-partisan censorship.
Apparently based upon CMac's opinion of who's gotten too far past the social norms of decency.
Whatever they are.
Or perhaps for taking up too much bandwidth, however that is measured.
CMac hasn't really been specific.
Perhaps his advertisers have complained?
As you know, others have previously been nuked for "pornography", which is of course in the eyes of the beholder.
At least one of the "pornographers" has been allowed back. Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!
EDIT: locker: right on cue!!
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Feb 12, 2012 - 02:35pm PT
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Nice, Locker
Keep testing the limits
I would hate to lose my running mate.
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apogee
climber
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Feb 12, 2012 - 02:40pm PT
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Dude, you are sooooo on the edge right now...
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tornado
climber
lawrence kansas
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Feb 12, 2012 - 02:45pm PT
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How many is enough? Until we all sing the same tune in lock-step? Is that the goal?
I can understand some banning, but use uniform standards on a rational basis.
When all of the folks who have made ten's of thousands of posts that have nothing to do with climbing have been deactivated it will be enough. If I want the opinion of some old fat people who do not climb I could hang out at a doughnut shop.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Feb 12, 2012 - 02:48pm PT
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Because maybe they were not seen
by the wrong people, until now?
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apogee
climber
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Feb 12, 2012 - 02:51pm PT
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Awright, buddy...just tryin' to get your back...
Carry on.
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Feb 12, 2012 - 02:52pm PT
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Norton's right. Bettabe careful in this thread.
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2012 - 02:54pm PT
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it's too bad blue didn't pay enough attention to see exactly why skipt got axed. it's too bad he's so blinded by the infighting between different political opinions to see the bigger picture. not surprising... just too bad.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 12, 2012 - 02:55pm PT
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When all of the folks who have made ten's of thousands of posts that have nothing to do with climbing have been deactivated it will be enough. If I want the opinion of some old fat people who do not climb I could hang out at a doughnut shop.
Do you have any clue as to the veracity of that statement? Fatty and skipt would post climbing stuff. Moreso than Bob, Dr.F, and Norton.
WTF???
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Feb 12, 2012 - 03:00pm PT
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Blue, you need to breathe for a second and remember that not everyone in the world sees things politically.
It was an even split, left and right, that got the boot. Probably a calculated decision on Chris's part.
All of the bootees got it for a valid reason, I'm sure.
Quit playing war games.
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apogee
climber
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Feb 12, 2012 - 03:02pm PT
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bluering, why don't you explain your take on why fattrad, FortMental, Wescrist & skipt got the boot.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 12, 2012 - 03:11pm PT
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bluering, why don't you explain your take on why fattrad, FortMental, Wescrist & skipt got the boot.
Easy. Fatty was too political all the time (mostly), Fort put up porn, and Wes was just a nasty man who hurled insults without justification.
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apogee
climber
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Feb 12, 2012 - 03:12pm PT
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And how about skipt?
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Feb 12, 2012 - 03:15pm PT
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Ron, you posted that shot a few times and it is creepy as it is a little kid... most of lockers shots do not offend me but keep the kids out of it please. thank you.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Feb 12, 2012 - 03:16pm PT
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How many is enough? Until we all sing the same tune in lock-step? Is that the goal?
Blue, your comment was a direct response to my suggestion that while booting one person who derailed discourse was a good start, a couple more deactivations would be even better.
Why you chose to interpret that as meaning "a couple more with the same political view" is beyond me. That is not what I was talking about, and if you'd taken even one miinute of time to think about it, you'd have known that.
What I am asking for is a chance to have a rational discussion and debate about political ideas. How is that even possible when one "side" is kicked out and everybody still left all have the same view? What's to debate if you and I agree on everything?
No, what I would like is for the shreikers to be deactivated. Whatever their political view.
D
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Feb 12, 2012 - 03:17pm PT
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Apogee, you and Doug are an excercise in hypocritical censorship. It only needs to go away when you disagree with it.
I hate to bring this up… But this site not only is a great place to get information on climbing/share a tale/bash politards… it's also a business.. is it not? I mean the site does have to pay for its self right? I'd hate to think that CMac was going into debt to keep this site running…
So, consider it this way: CMac owns a restaurant which he kicks someone out (right to refuses service) for any reason he chooses.
That is just one of the problems with the idea of freedom of speech while inside a business: With it comes responsibility.
I know I may need to explain more for some out there, but c'mon… really?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 12, 2012 - 03:26pm PT
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What I am asking for is a chance to have a rational discussion and debate about political ideas. How is that even possible when one "side" is kicked out and everybody still left all have the same view? What's to debate if you and I agree on everything?
No, what I would like is for the shreikers to be deactivated. Whatever their political view.
An honest man would agree that Dr.F, Bob, and Norton be included in that club.
Maybe even myself. I do post a bunch of "world affairs", but I have been known to post more climbing stuff than say, someone like Jingy, right?
Even Malemute or yourself MUST agree...it's undeniable, and that is what pisses me off!!!
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apogee
climber
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Feb 12, 2012 - 03:27pm PT
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"Easy. Fatty was too political all the time (mostly), Fort put up porn, and Wes was just a nasty man who hurled insults without justification."
And how about skipt?
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Feb 12, 2012 - 03:33pm PT
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that shot looks like a 12yr old...
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 12, 2012 - 03:36pm PT
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Skipt did contribute about his exploits as a back-country SAR ranger. More than Norton or Dr.F did. Or Gary, or Bob, or many. He is a climber.
I think you know I'm right. But you'll never admit it. And neither will CMac.
It's his site, his rules. But they just seem to be lop-sided.
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apogee
climber
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Feb 12, 2012 - 03:37pm PT
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Why do you think skipt got the boot?
Edit: Are you dodging the question, or do you not have any guess? (Not that anyone except CMac knows for sure, mind you...)
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2012 - 03:38pm PT
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no I don't think you are right at all.
I think you are blind. always have.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Feb 12, 2012 - 03:46pm PT
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Yes Blue....you are so right about Skip and his contributions to climbing and this site. He has contribute way more than Dr.F and me put together.
The same way you were right about Herman Cain and Donald Trump. You have an incredible knack for being WRONG almost all the time.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 12, 2012 - 03:47pm PT
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Son a bitch!!!! I agree with Rocky.
no I don't think you are right at all.
I think you are blind. always have.
You really are a sanctimonious piece of work, aren't ya? You know all the right answers (you'd like to think).
Ya know, Cmac just made this place the hell-hole he was trying to divert.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Feb 12, 2012 - 03:51pm PT
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Ya know, Cmac just made this place the hell-hole he was trying to divert.
Please explain?
(I'm not seeing it your way (no hell hole that I can see)
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 12, 2012 - 03:57pm PT
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I don't think it's a "Hell-hole" at all...
I think it's one of the best sites/forums for CLIMBERS...
;-)
It used to be....
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apogee
climber
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Feb 12, 2012 - 03:59pm PT
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No answer, huh?
Doesn't seem like a very difficult question, blue.
Why do you think skipt got the boot? Any guess, whatsoever?
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2012 - 04:06pm PT
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It used to be...
don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Feb 12, 2012 - 04:10pm PT
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don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out
Couldn't have said it better….
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 12, 2012 - 04:11pm PT
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No answer, huh?
Doesn't seem like a very difficult question, blue.
Why do you think skipt got the boot? Any guess, whatsoever?
I have no idea.
And yeah, I bet Doug would love to see me go. What does that say about you, bra?
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Feb 12, 2012 - 04:16pm PT
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I don't think it's gotten better. It seems to me that there are more non-climbing threads than ever. Climbing threads disappear quickly because of the paucity of posts that they get. I wish there was something better out there, but that doesn't appear to be the case.
ST is also a little too California/centric for my taste. The wonderful thing about climbing is how it brings people from different cultures and countries together, and you don't get much of that on ST, and, if you did, those kind of threads would quickly disappear from the first page.
Those criticisms aside, I guess it's still the best place to go.
edit: Chris is doing his best, he delivers a lecture about OT threads from time to time. It's an open forum and people vote with their posts.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Feb 12, 2012 - 04:18pm PT
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fattrad, FM, skipt, weschrist are gone.
Now let's turn on bluey
Lord Of The Flies
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TwistedCrank
climber
Ideeho-dee-do-dah-day boom-chicka-boom-chicka-boom
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Feb 12, 2012 - 04:48pm PT
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Damn.
I go climbing one day and skiing the next, only to return to see that Fattrad got nuked and the drama factor has gone stratospheric.
Fack. I should have stayed home and glued to the computer.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Feb 12, 2012 - 04:59pm PT
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is it still winter?
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Feb 12, 2012 - 05:03pm PT
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I love everyone, and hope the hate-train derails.
I dislike some people's thoughts, and let that be known.
I love reading others thoughts, and let that be known as well.
Let's keep with both the on and off topic thoughts, and still derail the hate-train.
Civility is the new coolness.
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Nibs
Trad climber
Humboldt, CA
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Feb 12, 2012 - 05:11pm PT
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For about 24 hours after the whack-a-mole event the forum rose to its potential, IMO. Even the political thread became a constructive discussion with John E holding forth as the rational conservative. The thread was interesting for a change before falling off the front page. For that moment (Friday evening?) threads on the front page were climbing related; the mood positive.
How quickly we have descended back to the lowest common denominator…
It is interesting to see who was whacked versus those not; but Blue, if you are going to look at it through political specs then it really seems a fairly even split.
Mostly a lurker here now, I posted more in the beginning of the forum. When the “real deal” guys and gals started showing up here I thought it was time to shut up and listen. I have regreted my reactionary posts since. The forum I would like to see is what we had for that brief moment where people post their best stuff.
Regardless I am, like others, addicted to this place. Hi, my name is Gary, and I am an ST addict.
[Edit] +1 derail the hate train
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apogee
climber
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Feb 12, 2012 - 05:25pm PT
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I'm pretty much in agreement with you regarding fattrad, FortMental and Wescrist. With Wes & FM, it seems likely it was related primarily to graphics that stepped over the line (LEBPhallusHead, Sarah Vagi-Palin face)- sure, they both had some negativity in their tone, but Wes in particular contributed tons of climbing content.
With fattrad & skipt, the rationale seems different- they were both prolific posters, and their tone had become very, very negative.
Whether any of these guys were climbers, how much they posted about climbing, which political side of the fence they were on...is completely besides the point. You seem to want to see these boots as some kind of political conspiracy against the poor, oppressed ST Republicans. Stop being a victim, bluering. You're smarter than that.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Feb 12, 2012 - 05:46pm PT
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No, Russ… I agree… I really am just as bad as fattard..
except I didn't get the boot and fattard did… and though I am not really dancing.. I am kinda giddy that your name-dropping running-mate is out (even if it is only a few days).
Sorry Russ… were you two… close?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 12, 2012 - 05:48pm PT
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Nibs, nice post. F*#k off now! Hehe...
Apogee, you simply refuse to dwell on my point. Why are Dr.F, Norton, and Bob still here???
There are symptoms of the the exact same "problem".
It was never a "problem" in my book. But all these asshats bitch when their bidding isn't heard loudly enough.
You people can go f*#k yourselves. You seem to enjoy it....
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Feb 12, 2012 - 05:57pm PT
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just like bluetard….
keeping it positive
Leading by example, right?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Feb 12, 2012 - 06:09pm PT
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Where's Cosmic....? Did he get banned de looped...? RJ
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 12, 2012 - 06:10pm PT
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just like bluetard….
keeping it positive
Leading by example, right?
Have I ever claimed to be "positive"??? I lead a life of positivity, but I DO grow negative when asshats like you have free reign of discussion.
You have the right, but I also have the right to debate that, or that what you're alluding to is bullshit!
EDIT:
In the name of Jesus Christ, Locker, you have forgotten....You people fail to remember history and how it all starts out.
It doesn't start with bullets.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Feb 12, 2012 - 06:12pm PT
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Norton got banned some time ago for using the N word to describe XYZ and Obama , then came back....RJ
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2012 - 06:14pm PT
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For the record, blue. This post is the reason why skipt got the boot.
"Early signs of dementia....Did they teach you critical thinking in math school?...Are you just stupid? Or, maybe an old man jacks off to pics of women with penis' coming out of their head.
You use selective reading, Jstan. And, it isn't pretty.
BTW, Name the president in office when the war in Vietnam ended.
You are clueless, Mr. Alzheimer."
there's no politics in there. it's vile hatred. it's disgusting and has NO place on this forum. He has other comparable gems. 99% of the time this is the kind of posts he made on this forum.
as far as fatty goes the reason he got booted is because he took his childish and overplayed name calling schtick into the wrong thread. A thread CMac started.
but you can go on believing it's political. I'm sure you will.
as far as do I want to see you gone? none of my statements are in regards to that nor do they suggest that. They are observations made directly regarding your posts. if this place sucks so bad I fail to see why you are here. keep complaining and then bitch that others want you gone. wouldn't be outside of your MO.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 12, 2012 - 06:21pm PT
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as far as do I want to see you gone? none of my statements are in regards to that nor do they suggest that. They are observations made directly regarding your posts. if this place sucks so bad I fail to see why you are here. keep complaining and then bitch that others want you gone. wouldn't be outside of your MO.
I used to like you, man. And I probably stll could. But you seem to be abhorrent to disagreement in politics. Which is kinda ironic.
I disagree with you, so you being gone is good, despite the idiotic reasons.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Feb 12, 2012 - 06:24pm PT
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Blue...you are so right, Dr F, Norton and me should be banned for stating facts.
Blue wrote: Have I ever claimed to be "positive"??? I lead a life of positivity, but I DO grow negative when asshats like you have free reign of discussion.
I have no doubt that you are a bigger pussy in real life than the one you portray here.
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2012 - 06:24pm PT
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still stuck on the politics? predicted.
and don't worry about liking me. it matters not to me.
I separate myself from people with a negative vibration. you qualify.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Feb 12, 2012 - 06:25pm PT
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Good point about Bluering , Werner...His long hair can't hide his redneck and his postings are as close to a parking lot ass-whupping - beatdown one can come without flying to Kentucky...RJ
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Feb 12, 2012 - 06:44pm PT
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again, since some folks seem to have missed both the old and new math: cmac whacked four avatars. two of those avatars are known for their liberal politics. two of them are known for their conservative politics. all four had drawn attention for abrasiveness aside from their politics.
i note that in the aftermath, there are far fewer political threads and more climbing threads. more to the point, fewer of the climbing threads seem to be getting hijacked by gratuitous partisan flackery. my guess is that won't last, but maybe we can get another round of whacking.
when tocqueville came to america some two centuries ago, he was amazed at the way americans carried on about god and politics. i hold no hope that we will successfully banish politics from st or any other site. i do prefer that the politard threads not be overwhelming; that the partisan flacking not get dragged out into climbing threads; and that folks get held to some sort of nastiness standard.
i'm not crazy about the post-hippy culture of entitlement that enables some of the crap we see on here. good on cmac for bringing the hammer down.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 12, 2012 - 06:46pm PT
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still stuck on the politics? predicted.
and don't worry about liking me. it matters not to me.
I separate myself from people with a negative vibration. you qualify.
Look in the mirror, as#@&%e! Do you really post climbing-related sh#t anymore?
I don't have a problem with that personally, but maybe you should STFU in that regard.
Asshole!
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2012 - 06:47pm PT
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classic.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Feb 12, 2012 - 06:49pm PT
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again, since some folks seem to have missed both the old and new math: cmac whacked four avatars. two of those avatars are known for their liberal politics. two of them are known for their conservative politics. all four had drawn attention for abrasiveness aside from their politics.
seems even handed to me
don't see how it can be seen as favoring any particular political leaning
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bmacd
Mountain climber
100% Canadian
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Feb 12, 2012 - 06:50pm PT
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another round of account deletions please Chris - almost there ^^^^
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Feb 12, 2012 - 06:54pm PT
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I disagree
Blue Ring calling someone an ass hole or a faggot or a communist is him just having fun.
Blue is fair and even handed and would not say those things unless he really meant it.
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2012 - 06:55pm PT
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Norton +1
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apogee
climber
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Feb 12, 2012 - 06:58pm PT
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"...you simply refuse to dwell on my point. Why are Dr.F, Norton, and Bob still here???"
bluering, you continue to want to view this event as though CMac, the unfair, oppressive liberal crushed the evil Republicans.
It's not about politics, blue...it's about business. CMac & co have been remarkably restrained in their moderation efforts for a long, long time (did you watch his video? It's pretty good & enlightening), and made a decision that the negativity had become so significant it was degrading ST as a whole. He drew a line, and the 4 people he chose were significant contributors to the negativity.
Sure...there's quite a few more who have had similar negative contributions, including you & I. But a line was drawn, and those 4 were on the other side of it. It's unfortunate...I think at least 1 or 2 of them could 'reform' their presence here...but it's not a conspiracy. Complaining that XX or YY should've got the boot only makes you look like a whiney victim.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Feb 12, 2012 - 07:04pm PT
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Have I ever claimed to be "positive"??? I lead a life of positivity, but I DO grow negative when asshats like you have free reign of discussion.
Is it me or does it seem that... the words being used by bluerag......
Do I have free reign of discussion?
Like I've tried to say many times (today at least) I really do not think of myself as better than anyone.
I'm not smarter.
I'm not the leader of anything...
Please Bluehand... take off of that pedestal. Because even if its just in your head that I am greater than you (when I am not) it can sometimes come off as you are lesser.... when you write like that.
I'm just sayin'
Locker Edit:
and he CLIMBS!!!...
You call that climbing?
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 12, 2012 - 07:43pm PT
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There's not hate.
It's just a bunch of drama queens arguing.
People read into this bullsh!t so far and believe it .....
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Feb 12, 2012 - 07:56pm PT
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What a junk show....
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Feb 12, 2012 - 07:58pm PT
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I'm somewhat reluctant to post this here, but I learned that if I prayed for patience, God would send me situations that would try my patience. The only way I know to distill patience is to practice the discipline of patience until it becomes internal.
While I remain uncomfortable with the four recent nukes, maybe the message from all this is to practice some of that patience before we hit the "Post this Reply" button.
John
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BASE104
climber
An Oil Field
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Feb 12, 2012 - 08:01pm PT
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I want my own reality show.
It will be all about losing touch with reality.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 12, 2012 - 08:01pm PT
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Werner nails it!
But what he, and you simple SOB's, fail to realize is that this is how censorship starts.
I realize you all dislike me, demonize me, and castigate me. Fine. But you cast no aspirgens upon truely hateful people, do you? You people are really looking through the looking glass without looking at yourselves and that what is close to you.
You are blind and guiding this country wrongly.
I'm somewhat reluctant to post this here, but I learned that if I prayed for patience, God would send me situations that would try my patience. The only way I know to distill patience is to practice the discipline of patience until it becomes internal.
While I remain uncomfortable with the four recent nukes, maybe the message from all this is to practice some of that patience before we hit the "Post this Reply" button.
John
EDIT:
I'm somewhat reluctant to post this here, but I learned that if I prayed for patience, God would send me situations that would try my patience. The only way I know to distill patience is to practice the discipline of patience until it becomes internal.
While I remain uncomfortable with the four recent nukes, maybe the message from all this is to practice some of that patience before we hit the "Post this Reply" button.
John
No! I love ya, John, but I disagree.
I will not relent in the face of this bullsh#t. Everybody should have a voice here. I think this stinks.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Feb 12, 2012 - 08:04pm PT
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you cast no aspirgens upon truely hateful people
i cast no aspirgens as a matter of personal belief.
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Nibs
Trad climber
Humboldt, CA
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Feb 12, 2012 - 08:05pm PT
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Blue, LOL! I will consider myself phucked.
You are too funny; for all your complaining today I sure don’t see your freedom of speech limited.
BTW, Do you really post climbing-related sh#t anymore? Nature has written a climbing guide that is still used in these parts. What the hell have you done for climbing?
[Edit] I am not one to hate and certainly do not hate you. But you are entertaining.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 12, 2012 - 08:12pm PT
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BTW, Do you really post climbing-related sh#t anymore? Nature has written a climbing guide that is still used in these parts. What the hell have you done for climbing?
Look at my pic profile, dude. And yeah, I have probably posted more climbing sh#t than Doug has.
But this isn't a dick show, huh?
Do you ever post anything relevant?
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Nibs
Trad climber
Humboldt, CA
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Feb 12, 2012 - 08:13pm PT
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no, so what. you are the one TRYING to make a point.
besides, weren't you the one whining a while back about not climbing much anymore?
which guide book did you write?
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Feb 12, 2012 - 08:22pm PT
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a good case for banning multiple ip addresses.
anyone so devoted that they'll go do the public library to post politard sh#t while the homeless dudes jack off to unblocked pron, have cleared the bar for snow slogging shitty peaks in the pnw, hence have earned the cred to post along the edges of st.
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apogee
climber
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Feb 12, 2012 - 08:29pm PT
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"I realize you all dislike me, demonize me, and castigate me. Fine. But you cast no aspirgens upon truely hateful people, do you?"
'aspersions'
Victim talk, bluering.
I forgot that you are in that tinhatted conspiratorial group that calls such actions 'censorship'. True enough, those boots are a form of censorship in it's simplest sense. Start your own Forum, run it for a few years with your own standards around content & moderation, then report back with your view. Until then, quitcherbitchin or leave.
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go-B
climber
Habakkuk 3:19 Sozo
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Feb 12, 2012 - 08:48pm PT
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Asperger's!
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 12, 2012 - 08:57pm PT
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Fatty in his younger days. Bad to the bone .....
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Feb 12, 2012 - 09:18pm PT
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as·per·sion ( -spûr zh n, -sh n). n. 1. a. An unfavorable or damaging remark; slander: Don't cast aspersions on my honesty. b. The act of defaming or slandering.
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SCseagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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Feb 12, 2012 - 09:24pm PT
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aspirgens
genetically modified asparagus
kinda like
"He came down from the rock and cast aspirgens and there was no more hunger"
Susan
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Feb 12, 2012 - 09:32pm PT
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Bluering!
Dude!
I have been lurking on this thread, and my take is: you are liked, and even loved by the majority of those posting here.
Calm down, take an antidepressant, or smoke some dope, and think about going back and deleting the below post. It's embarrassing to hear tough guys talk that way. Almost anyone that reads it: feels sorry for you.
I realize you all dislike me, demonize me, and castigate me. Fine. But you cast no aspirgens upon truely hateful people, do you? You people are really looking through the looking glass without looking at yourselves and that what is close to you.
--
So-----since I am posting.
Two conservatives & two liberals are out of ST for straying over the line. We all think it is not forever.
Since I'm a Republican: I want to arrange a trade of Republicans.
Let Fattrad back on, and ban Donald Thompson (and Skipt).
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apogee
climber
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Feb 12, 2012 - 09:37pm PT
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fattrad should be allowed back, but on a short leash. If he returns to the same 8th grade namecalling...CHOP CHOP!
Donald's ok. Annoying, but ok. For all of his prolific graphic postings, he hasn't generated anything close to the kind of negativity or cruelty that skipt did. It's not really fair to compare them.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Feb 12, 2012 - 09:42pm PT
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even loved by the majority of those posting here.
what is yr warrant for this claim?
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Feb 12, 2012 - 09:50pm PT
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Hey there bluey
I don't git my nikkers in a twist jest cuz yu ain't so gud at spelling like sum hibrow tipes around heer.
But geez dude, chill.
No one's out to get you; and banning the 4 horsetards of the Apocalypse wasn't politically motivated.
EDIT: SCSeagote, dyamn that wuz funy!
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Feb 12, 2012 - 09:58pm PT
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klk: re your mention & question.
even loved by the majority of those posting here.
what is yr warrant for this claim?
Back in grade school we all picked on those we liked.
My best quote on the subject is from my, N. Dakota native, father-in-law.
"I beat him up three times, and he still wouldn't be my friend."
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Feb 12, 2012 - 10:04pm PT
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Back in grade school we all picked on those we liked.
so yr saying cmac hammered the north bay four becuz he secretly liked them?
god beats the dogs he love best and etc.,?
i appreciate yr point, but it's not a general rule
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Feb 12, 2012 - 10:09pm PT
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klk: I am only talking about this thread and posteurs response to Bluering posts.
No CMac action or thought analysis from me.
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Nibs
Trad climber
Humboldt, CA
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Feb 12, 2012 - 10:14pm PT
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"god beats the dogs he love best"
ask Job...
[Edit]vv just a reactionary post, sorry. stepping away from the computer...
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Feb 12, 2012 - 10:22pm PT
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"He came down from the rock and cast aspirgens and there was no more hunger"
That just made this whole thread worthwhile. If it takes 800 posts of stupid sh#t to generate a line like that, then Hurrah! for stupid sh#t posts.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Feb 12, 2012 - 10:23pm PT
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randy, u continental philosophy/socialist poseur!
how's life with real communists?
seriously. miss ya, dude. hope it's cool.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 12, 2012 - 10:32pm PT
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you cast no aspirgens upon truely hateful people
Yes, Kath, I'll stick to those guns, even despite the obvious spelling error.
Do you have any ill feelings to people killing Copts in Egypt? How about the Christians in Nigeria? How about the Buddhists in Thailand?
Fatty gave a sh#t. But none of you did. F*#k all of you.
You all are all a bunch of self-satisfied as#@&%es, just happy with your own feelings of "green" and other crap that makes you "feel" good.
Fatty and Skipt actually have done more for people than you people will ever know. This site officially sucks now.
I canot believe you have condemned them. You all suck!
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Feb 12, 2012 - 10:36pm PT
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My guess is that Blue is on his third six pack of PBR and is now hitting the Captain Morgan & Coke. It has been a rough Sunday for him.
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Feb 12, 2012 - 10:37pm PT
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What's not to love?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 12, 2012 - 10:38pm PT
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I'm relatively sober, Bob....
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Feb 12, 2012 - 10:39pm PT
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He does seem a little worked up. Low pressure moving into Cali, that could be a factor.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Feb 12, 2012 - 10:39pm PT
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bluey
....guess I didn't make you laugh.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Feb 12, 2012 - 10:39pm PT
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I believe you Blue...I think you are just getting started.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Feb 12, 2012 - 10:40pm PT
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The Chinese here are living the life of the oxymoron:
arent we all.
take care bro
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 12, 2012 - 10:43pm PT
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Bob, I'm done. We're screwed when this bullshit is applauded by those like you. We are screwed.
I have nothing left to say. I'm disappointed, and yeah, I'll prolly have another beer.
F*#king sucks....
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Feb 12, 2012 - 10:48pm PT
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Blue wrote: Bob, I'm done. We're screwed when this bullshit is applauded by those like you. We are screwed.
Blue...I didn't applaud the banning...I understood it...big difference.
It's a private site and and Chris isn't obligated to put up with any of our bullsh#t. It was their time, I could be next. No big deal in my book.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Feb 12, 2012 - 11:19pm PT
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Rox wrote: Bob gets his sh#t in a twist occasionally, maybe he IS next.
Yes and I do it in about 100 times less bandwidth than both Lois and you.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Feb 12, 2012 - 11:26pm PT
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Rox wrote: You don't like big bandwidth replies, don't piss me off. Easy as hell, see?
In the real world I tend to think that you are about as toothless (all talk, no bite) as Skip and Blue...but that is just my opinion.
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apogee
climber
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Feb 12, 2012 - 11:40pm PT
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Feb 12, 2012 - 07:32pm PT
Post #897
"F*#k all of you.
You all are all a bunch of self-satisfied as#@&%es, just happy with your own feelings of "green" and other crap that makes you "feel" good.
Fatty and Skipt actually have done more for people than you people will ever know. This site officially sucks now.
I canot believe you have condemned them. You all suck!"
Yes, yes, yes....this is a post worth repeating over and over and over...
..with enough persistence, we can have bluering banished foreverr!!!!111
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apogee
climber
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Feb 12, 2012 - 11:42pm PT
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Whatcha drinkin' tonite, blue?
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apogee
climber
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Feb 12, 2012 - 11:51pm PT
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"I canot believe you have condemned them. You all suck!"
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SCseagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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Feb 13, 2012 - 12:13am PT
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Has this now become "The Sunday Night While Posting Drunk" tread?
Susan
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Feb 13, 2012 - 03:01am PT
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what seems to be the problem here?
can't you grownups get along?
anybody want some weed?
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Feb 13, 2012 - 03:14am PT
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i live in kali and i'm still up dumbass,
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Feb 13, 2012 - 03:52am PT
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It' out there, Rox. You just don't know the right people at this point in time. Pray to the Dope Gods for deliverance.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Feb 13, 2012 - 04:01am PT
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i da ho?
no, you da ho.
don't be bootin up on me bitch,
plenty of good weed down here, i hit the disk golf tourney with a group of six, everybody brings there private stash, plush the stuff they have for sale, so while playing golf, we have to smoke 12 different types of weed plus maybe some bubble hash somebody brought along, because everybody grows up here, some people grow indoor, some outdoor, some both, so i break out the steam roller on hole 11 and out comes some hash oil, i never had trouble drivin on weed but gettin home was a trip, man, bacon everywhere,
what was the question?
rox. you just need to get connected, you wolf lovin sob,
shot a +2 at lava creek, my best round, not too shabby considering the condition in was in,
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Feb 13, 2012 - 04:09am PT
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no man, these freaks carry huge mason jars that are so old there is an inch of hash powder stuck to the bottom, forget zip locks, this forest is loaded with freaks, everywhere you look,
what you need to do is relaspe back to the booze wagon and quit weed for a while,
put on an eric church record and slam some cold ones,
do thos for about 6 months til your mind turns to jelly,
then replace all the lost vitamins and seratonin that made you depressed the whole time and start smoking weed again,
your brain should recover from the booze in, say, about another 6 months?
then you can start in with the big H,
the first jab is on me,
after that, it's cash up front, jus sayin,
you won't get hooked, it's pure,
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Feb 13, 2012 - 04:17am PT
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never say never,
the urge to drink can hit you like a lightening bolt,
1 out of 37 drunks die sober, a sobering statiscticic,
i give you about 4 months til the summer heat makes you sweat down a 30 pack of hamms,
then the gradual downhill slide into the big house,
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Feb 13, 2012 - 04:26am PT
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hey is that strip club still open on the east side of town?
they had to bring in girls from vegas to work the pole because the stinkin cowgirls from boise did not get it at all,
wtf, over?
N fork payette
only good thing in the whole state,
maybe the cliffs near hawaii resevoir, but thats it.
cor d alene?
bunch of arian freaks, snow and ice, fuk it,
sawtooths?
bunch of wood splitin hillbillys.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Feb 13, 2012 - 05:05am PT
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Lets use this whacking event to reflect on what is important and elevate our game.
Here, here...lest enduring lies and false aspersions be loosely cast online.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Feb 13, 2012 - 12:59pm PT
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Rox,
You're problem with the herbals is that you sound prone to preferring the pure or mostly sativas...equatorial weed, as it were.
The MMJ leans heavily toward mostly indicas and middling mixes. Which is understandable because for those with both physical pain and mixtures of symptoms, it is a good choice, and commercially it is better for producers.
The pure sats take a long time to finish (70-100+ days) vs the pure indicas that finish in typically 60, with commercials running constant turnaround chopping indoors at as early as 45 with some varities.
Best advice is to wait until the fall when the boutique, small scale outdoor pure sats are coming in. The old Reeferman seed co was something of a specialist in a variety of less common pure sats and landrace strains.
Or you should be able to readily find something that leans sat, I'd recommend Blue Haze for an incredible flavor and more sat effects, and better yet something in the Chemdawg/OG Kush pedigree family. '91 Chemdawg and Chemdawg #4 both are incredibly good cultivars. Middling yields, but otherwise fantastic and absolutely top notch on potency with body cerebral and body effects.
Look for some viet, highland thai, durban posion, or the old famous hawaiian cultivars for more pure sat.
These will be more cerebral than body, and that sounds like what you're missing.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 13, 2012 - 01:06pm PT
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Yeah, I think he Is missing the cerebral
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Feb 13, 2012 - 08:07pm PT
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This. Site. Is. *B*O*R*I*N*G*! Nothing exciting enough to raise my blood pressure anymore.
Bring Back Fattrad; bring back Weschrist; bring back Skipt; shizzle--even bring back--gasp!--Aleister Crowley!!
Something is definitely WRONG when I find myself even HALFWAY agreeing with Dr. F.!
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Feb 13, 2012 - 08:40pm PT
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If you disagree, please find One Skip Post that will Persuade anyone to agree with you, That he should be allowed to come Back.
Only someone who is either stoned or drunk or both could come up with a sentence like that.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Feb 13, 2012 - 08:51pm PT
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Any skip Posts you want to share?
I'll take a pass. Juss' lurkin'. I'm done arguing politics anymore. Especially here among people I like and admire.
Why spoil that over bullshit like politics or religion?
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go-B
climber
Habakkuk 3:19 Sozo
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Feb 13, 2012 - 08:54pm PT
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I'll take a pass. Juss' lurkin'. I'm done arguing politics anymore. Especially here among people I like and admire.
Why spoil that over bullshit like politics or religion?
Because you like and admire them, it matters!
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Feb 13, 2012 - 10:20pm PT
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I've just been checking since my last post on this thread….
Did Blutard have a full meltdown, there? Or what?
But what he, and you simple SOB's, fail to realize is that this is how censorship starts.
I realize you all dislike me, demonize me, and castigate me. Fine. But you cast no aspirgens upon truely hateful people, do you? You people are really looking through the looking glass without looking at yourselves and that what is close to you.
You are blind and guiding this country wrongly.
No! I love ya, John, but I disagree.
I will not relent in the face of this bullsh#t. Everybody should have a voice here. I think this stinks.
Look at my pic profile, dude. And yeah, I have probably posted more climbing sh#t than Doug has.
But this isn't a dick show, huh?
Do you ever post anything relevant?
Yes, Kath, I'll stick to those guns, even despite the obvious spelling error.
Do you have any ill feelings to people killing Copts in Egypt? How about the Christians in Nigeria? How about the Buddhists in Thailand?
Fatty gave a sh#t. But none of you did. F*#k all of you.
You all are all a bunch of self-satisfied as#@&%es, just happy with your own feelings of "green" and other crap that makes you "feel" good.
Fatty and Skipt actually have done more for people than you people will ever know. This site officially sucks now.
I canot believe you have condemned them. You all suck!
Bob, I'm done. We're screwed when this bullshit is applauded by those like you. We are screwed.
I have nothing left to say. I'm disappointed, and yeah, I'll prolly have another beer.
F*#king sucks....
Blow,
I see you are upset about fattarded and skiptarded being boxed up.
Have you reviewed the tape to see what they had done on CMacs thread?
It sounds to me as if fard and skard both spoke for you.
So is it safe to say that they took the hit for you?
Kind of like a fictional character I've heard about….
You say this place is totally screwed without them….
I say this place has been made no better with the ouster of Wes too….
But the fact is each of those who received the boot went over a line that neither you nor I have any control over.
Now, you can continue to rant on about your friends getting the boot and making this out to be as if THE ENTIRE COUNTRY IS GOING TO HELL IN A HANDBASKET (freedom of speech says you can do so, and I will stand by you as you do, for I too feel strongly about freedom of speech)….
However… in all of your ranting you neglect to even imagine an alternative freedom you can exercise…
Your freedom to walk.
Nobody is forcing you you stick around at a site you don't like to be at.
And if you want to make this into an ever-widening "problem with America"… well, I guess I can't go with you there…. I lived through 8 years of Buche. He was a crook and had nothing but contempt for his fellow Americans…. I could have left the country, right (If you don't like it you can get the hell out!!!!) is what I heard a lot of…..
I'm hoping you stick around, but wouldn't blame you if you took to the hills for a while.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Feb 13, 2012 - 11:09pm PT
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i didn't get to say goodbye to stalin, look at the tears i cry,
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Curt
Boulder climber
Gilbert, AZ
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Feb 13, 2012 - 11:36pm PT
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Oh, the drama...
Curt
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Curt
Boulder climber
Gilbert, AZ
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Feb 14, 2012 - 12:00am PT
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Perhaps the realization that Rick Santorum may actually end up being his candidate?
Curt
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Feb 14, 2012 - 12:01am PT
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who wants to get cut and left with 9 stitches?
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 14, 2012 - 12:14am PT
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My politics are pretty much in line with Dr F, but Coz is on to
something.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Feb 14, 2012 - 02:33am PT
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Brief OT aside:
Oh, the drama...
Curt
Hey Curt, cell phone took a crap on me awhile back and I lost your number. Shoot me a PM mmmkay? thx. Let's pebblewrestle this spring; it's been way too long.
OK, back to our regularly scheduled programing: Fattrad: troll, misunderstood nice guy, or Antichrist 666?
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Feb 14, 2012 - 02:39am PT
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He was the diet Coke of evil.
Just one calorie,
not evil enough.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Feb 14, 2012 - 02:49am PT
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Perhaps, Warbler, perhaps - but more like a liberal Glen Beck. That being said I do see your point. I guess he loses credibility with me when he gets abusive under fire but I can see the point you are making. Limbaugh - nah - Beck, yes - that is more his style, don't you think?
21,514 empty calories.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Feb 14, 2012 - 03:34am PT
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^^^ LOL :-)
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Feb 14, 2012 - 07:26am PT
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If I may throw my penny or two in...
Okay, most of the time I do not agree with Jeff's (Fattrad) or Lois's (LEB) opinions, but having met Jeff and having correspondence with LEB, it is my opinion that they are genuine people. Okay, so Lois doesn't climb, big deal, or not. Yeah, Jeff's tooling comments are annoying, but just that, IMHO.
On the Taco Stand there have been several FAR MORE OFFENSIVE posters. I do not like censorship, but some posters have crossed the line. I only hope that I never have.
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edejom
Boulder climber
Butte, America
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Feb 14, 2012 - 07:54am PT
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Yup to Hank
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Feb 14, 2012 - 08:18am PT
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Fatty may have been experiencing intestinal problems......? " Miserable piece of crap..! "...RJ
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 14, 2012 - 11:09am PT
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I agree with locker. whatever you guys were doing was making me sick.
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cleo
Social climber
the canyon below the Ditch!!!!
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Feb 14, 2012 - 11:14am PT
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when locker, the class clown, gets serious and says it's not fun or funny...
maybe you should listen.
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 14, 2012 - 11:22am PT
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999 ;-)
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 14, 2012 - 11:23am PT
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wooohooo
1000!
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Feb 14, 2012 - 11:24am PT
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This is officially the fastest a thread has reached 1000 posts (4 days; Cerro Torre thread took 6 days).
It's like a freak of Nature!
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TKingsbury
Trad climber
MT
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Feb 14, 2012 - 11:25am PT
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apogee
climber
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Feb 14, 2012 - 12:24pm PT
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Worth repeating 'cuz it's just so damn GUUUDD!!!!!
Hoist yer glass - to those now banned
Pray thier return to this promised land
They say SHYT will happen, and no one is imune
Im sure were all deserving, from singing that tune
Let them return with lesson learned
Until once again the axe wheel turns
For sure as i write -twill happen again
on a thread that should go -straight to the dust bin
Were all addicts, the key board the drug
so cyberly we go throwing those slugs
On and on this will surely go
So bring back those patrons of which we all know
Without them we are reduced, one and all
from this site we call the TACO ,, a freakers ball!
Ron Anderson
Feb 13, 2012 - 11:54pm PT
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Feb 14, 2012 - 12:26pm PT
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It's like a freak of Nature! you talkin' trash 'bout fatty and skipt?
Ron Anderson
Pretty Dammed Funny
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Feb 14, 2012 - 01:22pm PT
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Thanks for the verse, Ron.
John
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Feb 14, 2012 - 01:23pm PT
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LEB
I think something went very wrong in his personal life to cause him to have such a turn around and get so serious with the vindictive stuff. It was rather out of character for him, as long as I have known him here, anyway.
I saw Fatty as throwing out abuse recreationally. Doesn't make it right or fun for everyone but don't think it was anything (additional) dark in his life
Peace
Karl
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 14, 2012 - 01:27pm PT
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wow...fastest to 1000. and to think that the "best" I had done before was 215 total posts with my Rest in Peace Ms. Summit thread.
I think it goes to show that we do like Jeff and will eventually welcome him back. Even though he needs more of a time out and time wearing the dunce cap as ron puts it.... "Let [him] return with lesson learned"
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 14, 2012 - 02:10pm PT
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Kill this thread
But save Ron's poem!
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Feb 14, 2012 - 02:15pm PT
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G_Gnome
Trad climber
Pebble Wrestling.... Badly lately.
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Feb 14, 2012 - 02:24pm PT
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Didn't the chick who showed us her tits actually get to 1,000 faster?
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apogee
climber
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Feb 14, 2012 - 02:27pm PT
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Just imagine what this thread would do if fattrad posted his manboobs!
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 14, 2012 - 02:31pm PT
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HK - no worries. the red button is on lock down ;-)
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Feb 14, 2012 - 02:31pm PT
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Didn't the chick who showed us her tits actually get to 1,000 faster?
I'm pretty certain she did knott.
And since she nuked the thread when she couldn't handle the heat, it shouldn't count in any event.
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 14, 2012 - 04:49pm PT
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did you read the post that skipt wrote in regards to JStan?
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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Feb 14, 2012 - 05:09pm PT
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In Iran how many people like Fattrad have been whisked away in the middle of the night never to be seen again for posting poorly?
Sure is nice that can't happen here!)
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apogee
climber
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Feb 14, 2012 - 05:09pm PT
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^^^^
Yawn.
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Majid_S
Mountain climber
Bay Area , California
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Feb 14, 2012 - 05:17pm PT
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I want fatty back in taco stand
hey Fatty
I got underground connection and I could make things happen. need a passport, IDs, anything just email me and I will have it ready and shipped via DHL from Lahore Pakistan.
I just have to change your name to Fattollah Al-Masoud Al Shabiri
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Feb 14, 2012 - 05:21pm PT
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Is it really a legitimate "fastest to 1000", when you've bumped your own thread at least 100 times?
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apogee
climber
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Feb 14, 2012 - 05:25pm PT
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Done, couch.
Geez, cchopper, I'd expect more of you in this situation. (Of course, the same could be said for ANY situation.) After all, ST is about as capitalist a venture as yer gonna find- it's CMac's business...I thought you Repugs always assumed that the business owner is always right. You know, kinda like Romney & his Bain Vulture Capitalism?
It's so hard to understand the always-wavering principles of Repugs.
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 14, 2012 - 06:15pm PT
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LEB: I won't disagree with the foul mouthed comment. can't comment on the rest of your post because I hardly skimmed it. However...
Does JStan qualify as a foul mouthed male? I'd be shocked if there is a single (ONE!) person on this forum that would state he is/does.
and he gets this gem from skipt:
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1641723&msg=1745189#msg1745189
Early signs of dementia.
One thing I can say from my observations from 1945 onward. Until current days I have never seen in America, expressions such as quoted above.
Did they teach you critical thinking in math school?
Have you never read any of the posts where Dr. F calls for our death? Did you miss that? Do you not give a flying f*#k?
Are you just stupid? Or, maybe an old man jacks off to pics of women with penis' coming out of their head. Did you miss that part too?
You use selective reading, Jstan. And, it isn't pretty.
BTW, Name the president in office when the war in Vietnam ended.
You are clueless, Mr. Alzheimer.
Skip
Skipt is gone for good.
Other than a 1 out of a 100 helpful none related to climbing posts that's the vile and spew and attitude he embodies. So kiss your friend good bye. or wave... I don't care. That's beyond forgivable.
Fatty will be back after a timeout that the whack-o-moles committee deem appropriate. The longer the better as it sends a message to all of us. But he will be back and when that time comes I'll welcome him. Right now I wouldn't. But that's my opinion and my two cents and yes... here is your change.
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jstan
climber
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Feb 14, 2012 - 06:32pm PT
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Yesterday in regards to another matter I wrote that the climbing newsletter I started in 1970 had taken ten times the time and effort I had thought it would. But even so it was worth every hour I put into it. Back then we had no way to communicate. I had contributions from Weissner, Kraus, Wunsch, Waterman and others. Guy's stuff was a scream.
Websites like ST have the potential to change everything. But it seems we just don't know how to use them. We don't know what to do with the medium. We are not even using it as a recreational device, though occasional extemporaneous threads are superb. Most of the history is better than anything to be found in the literature since they are in the first person.
There is a lot, however, that seems more appropriate for a psychiatrist's couch. I would assume ST is far cheaper than a psychiatrist. Maybe that's the problem. I don't mind an occasional good catfight. But we have so many bad ones containing nothing original. If we cannot avoid the ill-feelings, perhaps we can at least try to fight better.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 14, 2012 - 06:54pm PT
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perhaps we can at least try to fight better
That's why the Marines only want a few good men.
The rejects go to SuperTopo, present company excepted. :-)
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Feb 14, 2012 - 07:08pm PT
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perhaps we can at least try to fight better.
You mean like this?
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 14, 2012 - 08:10pm PT
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He was clearly out of line with those comments to jstan but I will tell you that these sort of remarks are (sadly) common place around here.
I am not reading past this. your next sentence looks to make some sort of excuse for his behavour. there is none.
exactly the response i expected. so typical.
he's gone. good riddance.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 14, 2012 - 09:01pm PT
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One thing I can say from my observations from 1945 onward. Until current days I have never seen in America, expressions such as quoted above. We indeed have been changed. Changed to the point we are unable to carry on as a nation at all.
Skip's reply was spot-on. For Jstan to insinuate that this is a right-wing problem (which he did), is stupid.
I totally agree with Skip's comments, and Jstan and myself have discussed this privately a bit. Sh#t has changed, old timer. But what you fail to accept is that the left has gotten way too communistic in their attacks and propaganda. The White House has summoned it's minions.
Look at the Media Matters story today. The maniacal, coke-head, Brock is out of control.
The right-wing and common folk of middle America (Tea Party) has peacefully voiced disappointment in the current poilicies. Peacefully.
And yet the OWS anarchists and commies get a pass in their flagrant disregard for the common rule of law.
This Prez encourages it, while disparaging the patriots of the Tea pArty.
If you dispute that then please post pics of Tea Baggers breaking the law and disobeying the law, and then contrast that with the OWS and ANSWR and Media Matters commies.
Why Dr.F and Norton were not given the same treatment as Fatty/Skipt is very obvious to me. And Coz, apparently.
Bullshit!
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Feb 14, 2012 - 09:10pm PT
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I worry about you bluering, you seem like a nice guy who might even climb a bit. Hosting barbeques and inviting all is laudable and I imagine you are a gracious host. What puzzles me is the vitriol and the hate that you have for anyone who is not of your political persuasion.
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 14, 2012 - 09:25pm PT
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living life around superlatives must be a sad existence.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 14, 2012 - 09:28pm PT
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What puzzles me is the vitriol and the hate that you have for anyone who is not of your political persuasion.
This is where you misinterpret me. I dispise the ideology, not the people necessarily. I get along fine with many moderate lefties. I can even respect where they're coming from. But now is not the time for liberalism. It is a time of fiscal coservatism.
Throw the social sh#t out the window for now, it's irrelevant at this juncture.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 14, 2012 - 09:30pm PT
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living life around superlatives must be a sad existence.
Elaborate, please.
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apogee
climber
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Feb 14, 2012 - 09:32pm PT
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Not that you give a shite, bluering, but if you look through all of the posts in this thread (or any other, for that matter), you won't find a single post that wishes skipt would return. Wes, fattrad, FortMental...there have been at least one or two (if not a bunch more) wishing that one or all of these three would eventually return.
Not so with skipt. Not a single supporting post for skipt. Virtual unanimous views that skipt was an unstable source of enduring negativity, with virtually no redeeming features to this 'community', or ST as a whole.
Except you, bluering. You champion him, and believe there was a conspiracy against him (and GOPsters, in general). That says an awful lot about you, bluering, and probably not in the way you'd hope.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Feb 14, 2012 - 09:36pm PT
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The likes of Dr.F, Fort mental, Jhedge etc. are the best thing that ever happened for conservatives.
The ratio of views to posts is in the thousands to one.
I'll give them every opportunity to spew like eight year old's, and they always rise to the bait and swallow the hook.
All you have to do to reduce them to a spittle spraying fit is post three irrefutable facts in a row.
If their IQ's are 420 enhanced,
You can do it with one.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Feb 14, 2012 - 09:37pm PT
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you guys miss having somebody to pick on?
me too, bring the pig back so we can beat him up so more
LEB should get a sex change back into a woman,
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 14, 2012 - 09:41pm PT
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Bluering
How will Austerity and spending cuts help the economy and unemployment??
Please answer this simple question, since its at the base of your convictions
Do you understand anything about their economy and social structure? They retire early and the unemployment rate of sub-25 year-olds is over 25% (or there about).
Nobody does anything, yet everybody is sucking the gov't dry! If you can't see how we're headed there, you're foolish. You can only 'soak the rich' for so long like the Greeks did before the house of cards falls. Collapses.
Or course the brats in street are angry! They had it so good for so long and now austerity??? I gotta get a job?
We're going there...
EDIT:
Except you, bluering. You champion him, and believe there was a conspiracy against him (and GOPsters, in general). That says an awful lot about you, bluering, and probably not in the way you'd hope.
I hope you don't think I give a f*#k of what you think of me. Don't waste your time.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Feb 14, 2012 - 09:44pm PT
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Bluering, I fear that you are disingenuous.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 14, 2012 - 09:46pm PT
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Bluering, I fear that you are disingenuous.
Explain. But fear not.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 14, 2012 - 09:49pm PT
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So you agree, spending Cuts will not Help the economy
Its all a Political BS
Spending cuts will just make things worse
And we are doomed if the Republicans get control of the economy
I never said that. But you have to couple major spending cuts with new jobs and incentives to get the lazy youth off their asses and expecting handouts!
You can only tax the rich so much, Johnson! At some point you have to reign in spending and greaten the GDP.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Feb 14, 2012 - 09:53pm PT
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While, I would agree that skipt's remarks to jstan were out of line, they are hardly unique or noteworthy here on ST. This sort of stuff happens all the time.
No, Lois. It does not. It happens all the time with people who post inane, agitating, and otherwise abrasive remarks but it does NOT happen to people who are respectful, humble and polite in their discourse.
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jstan
climber
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Feb 14, 2012 - 09:54pm PT
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So many people here are handing me the keys to the Kingdom, it is foolish of me to say anything. Unfortunately, I don't want any keys of this sort. I want people to feel they have the discipline and courage each to hold the keys to their own lives. This does not come when one is constantly outraged, has lost all reason, and feels no need to treat others as well as they themselves want to be treated.
I once had a direct report who wanted only to sit at his computer generating flaming emails all day saying how stupid his customers and coworkers were. This is what I counseled him. I told him a flaming email is a direct admission that you are unable to handle yourself. If that is so, who would be so foolish as to take seriously anything you say? You have already removed yourself from the picture. I also told him to go ahead and generate the emails if it helped him - but do not send any of them. My advice was never followed. Since it was never followed there, I will not repeat the counsel here.
I like to think learning is still possible.
Edit:
In response to Couch below.
I like to think it is still possible for me to learn.
Einstein is quoted as saying something like - doing the same thing twice but expecting different results is insanity. I was saying I did not intend to do that here. But of course, I actually gave the counsel. I love the bit about judges telling a jury to disregard something they just heard. Killer funny!
I have said before I like to leave logical easter eggs in messages. So it is possible to find humor or a buried insight as a sort of reward for thinking the message through.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Feb 14, 2012 - 09:59pm PT
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actually climbers probably want as many handouts as the can get,
look at the ghetto scene at camp 4 if you don't believe me,
no wait.....now it's just a bunch of frogs eatin pasta in their fancy north face tents with the expanded fly,so they can cook on the porch with the everest stove and set the whol dang place on fire,
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 14, 2012 - 10:04pm PT
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So many people here are handing me the keys to the Kingdom, it is foolish of me to say anything. Unfortunately, I don't want any keys of this sort. I want people to feel they have the discipline and courage each to hold the keys to their own lives.
Good advice, but we're not that stupid, John.
This does not come when one is constantly outraged, has lost all reason, and feels no need to treat others as well as they themselves want to be treated.
That's all really comfy and fuzzy inside unless you're attacked. I agree there is a time to restrain yourself, but if that's all you do you lose way more than peraonal freedom, you can lose a country when these pervasive liberal thoughts pollute a society, when you constantly give way to feelings instead of established rights.
I feel like you're twisteing the 2, John. You're confusing them.
We should be nice to each other whenever possible, but when disrepected or demeaned, that will not stand in my tiny little world.
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apogee
climber
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Feb 14, 2012 - 10:05pm PT
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It would appear that this thread is morphing into a new polititard thread...fattrad would be happy to see that...
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jstan
climber
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Feb 14, 2012 - 10:14pm PT
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Blue:
I had all kinds of asterisks thrown at me, and some pretty nasty stuff from yourself. I responded as above. No asterisks. You replied without asterisks just above.
Progress?
You seem to forget one thing. If one is not determined to kill another person, it is best to treat them respectfully. You are both citizens of the same country and that person may be the one person you desperately need help from tomorrow.
That is what a country is.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Feb 14, 2012 - 10:21pm PT
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Jstan quote: "So many people here are handing me the keys to the Kingdom, it is foolish of me to say anything. Unfortunately, I don't want any keys of this sort. I want people to feel they have the discipline and courage each to hold the keys to their own lives. This does not come when one is constantly outraged, has lost all reason, and feels no need to treat others as well as they themselves want to be treated.
I once had a direct report who wanted only to sit at his computer generating flaming emails all day saying how stupid his customers and coworkers were. This is what I counseled him. I told him a flaming email is a direct admission that you are unable to handle yourself. If that is so, who would be so foolish as to take seriously anything you say? You have already removed yourself from the picture. I also told him to go ahead and generate the emails if it helped him - but do not send any of them. My advice was never followed. Since it was never followed there, I will not repeat the counsel here.
I like to think learning is still possible. "
I don't think Blueie read it slow enough Jstan. Seriously, you often have good words, good ideas and good intentions that you lay out with too many words. Doug Buchanan was worse at that of course, but I often agreed with his message. Unfortunately, getting to the message was often too much work. So this is on you John. Less words for Blueie, who's a good person.
ie, learning is possible, but you need to be clearer most of the time. Like this, very succinct and clear:
"If one is not determined to kill another person, it is best to treat them respectfully. You are both citizens of the same country and that person may be the one person you desperately need help from tomorrow.
That is what a country is. "
Thanks, very succinct: perfect!
Best to all.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 14, 2012 - 10:28pm PT
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If one is not determined to kill another person, it is best to treat them respectfully. You are both citizens of the same country and that person may be the one person you desperately need help from tomorrow.
That is what a country is.
Haha, old-timer, I knew you were cool. I agree 100%!!!
And, yeah, we need to fix sh#t - and do it together. We will agree on that, bra!
You know I dig ya, right? I have been harsh in some e-mails, but I meant it. I'm passionate. You, are more polite.
I still dig ya, John. Don't take too much offense.
EDIT: John, you realize I use "old-timer" as respectful, I hope. One of the 'originals".
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 14, 2012 - 10:32pm PT
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Bill, I dunno what to say....
You read that pretty well. Jstan just hit a homer!!!!
EDIT: Was that even a Jstan quote?
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Feb 14, 2012 - 10:33pm PT
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You, are more polite.
And smarter. And nicer. And more thoughtful. And more skilled. And more patient. And more respectful. And more dedicated to the craft. And more dedicated to the community. And more valuable as a contributor. And more historically significant. And I'm getting carpal tunnel. And the lurkers get my point.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 14, 2012 - 10:37pm PT
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[And smarter. And nicer. And more thoughtful. And more skilled. And more patient. And more respectful. And more dedicated to the craft. And more dedicated to the community. And more valuable as a contributor. And more historically significant. And I'm getting carpal tunnel. And the lurkers get my point.
What's yer point? I need to be nicer? Post more climbing stuff than you? Or post more pics in general?
meh....
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 14, 2012 - 10:46pm PT
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grrrpp...
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jstan
climber
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Feb 14, 2012 - 10:48pm PT
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I hate it when I blush.
It's a weakness.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Feb 14, 2012 - 10:48pm PT
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Schist!
Heidi & I are through with Valentine's dinner, and I take a quick ST break to lurk.
You sick fuks are beating----edit! working, edit! intereacting, with each other on Valentine's Day!
I know most of you claim to have significant others.
Heidi just walked by and gave me: "the look."
I explained I was lecturing my peers.
That got a lot of sympathy.
Lighten up & have some love: you old fuks!
Edit! Happy Valentines Day.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Feb 14, 2012 - 10:56pm PT
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I've never beaten anyone up on supertopo.
never say "never."
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Feb 14, 2012 - 10:57pm PT
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I hate it when I blush.
i wish i still could.
once again, yr a model for the rest of us.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 14, 2012 - 11:06pm PT
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hehe...
Needs cleanin'.
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jstan
climber
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Feb 14, 2012 - 11:09pm PT
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Fritz:
This is an up thread right now. Not a downer.
Randisi:
Don't jump down from heights like that too often. You'll end up like me.
Really interesting problem.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Feb 14, 2012 - 11:16pm PT
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randy, looks cool. humid, but cool. like soill sandstone.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Feb 14, 2012 - 11:24pm PT
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LEB...go urinate your fruit trees...RJ
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jstan
climber
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Feb 14, 2012 - 11:26pm PT
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Smooth, Smooth move.
Even as we type, Jo's palms are sweating right now.
That one would take darn near a one arm press through.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Feb 14, 2012 - 11:27pm PT
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trees lookin pretty green. not 2 early in the fall.
looks fun, though. how's the rock?
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Feb 14, 2012 - 11:31pm PT
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Smooth, Smooth move.
heh
you'd know
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Feb 14, 2012 - 11:32pm PT
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some of the best I've ever climbed on.
looks a lot like bleau.
nothin better than primo sandstone
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Feb 14, 2012 - 11:37pm PT
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Ask, and ye shall receive
If you dispute that then please post pics of Tea Baggers breaking the law and disobeying the law, and then contrast that with the OWS and ANSWR and Media Matters commies.
"On July 18, Byron Williams was stopped by California Highway Patrol and engaged in a shootout with law enforcement. He later said he planned to murder individuals at the Tides Foundation and ACLU and his mother said he was angry about "Congress railroading through all these left-wing agenda items." As reporter John Hamilton documented, Williams said he saw Fox News' Glenn Beck as "a schoolteacher" and that "it was the things [Beck] exposed that blew my mind." Indeed, the gunman, Byron Williams, was driven by belief in conspiracy theories that have been pushed by Beck and other members of the right-wing media."
Sounds eerily like you, Bluering.
More? Sure thing, comin' right up:
"The Yuma Sun reported on June 14 that a Phoenix man was indicted on federal charges for "allegedly threatening to kill U.S. Rep. Raul Grijalva in late April, over Grijalva's opposition to the state's new immigration law." The article added: "Prosecutors say Haynes is accused of calling Grijalva's office in Tucson twice on April 23 and threatening to 'come down there and blow the brains out' of Grijalva and his employees."
Isolated cases, surely. Right? Well, not so much:
"Charles Alan Wilson, 64, was arrested at his home in central Washington after he allegedly called Murray's office on numerous occasions over the last few weeks saying that she "had a target on her back, " and "I want to [expletive] kill you," according to court documents. The alleged phone calls stretched over almost two weeks and were said to be in relation to Murray's vote to pass health care overhaul legislation.
Wilson, who was arrested in Selah, Wash., also allegedly told undercover FBI agents that he carries a concealed firearm with a permit, and said he was "extremely angry" with the passage of health care legislation"
Let's continue, shall we?:
"Rep. Tom Perriello's (D-VA) brother's address was erroneously posted online by a Tea Party blogger who invited activists to descend on the house. In March, a gas line outside the brother's house was cut."
"July 27, 2008. Unemployed truck driver Jim David Adkisson opens fire on the congregation of a Unitarian Church in Knoxville, Tennessee, killing two people and seriously wounding six. Adkisson tells police he targeted the congregation because its members included gay men and mixed-race couples. A suicide note that Adkisson left in his car outside the church describes the attack as a "hate crime," "a political protest," and "a symbolic killing."
"I'd like to encourage other like-minded people to do what I've done," Adkisson wrote. "If life ain't worth living anymore don't just kill yourself. Do something for your country. Go kill liberals."
"May 30, 2009 Shawna Forde, the leader of Minuteman American Defense, a nativist border vigilante group, leads the home invasion robbery of a man that Forde and her two accomplices, MAD Operations Director Jason Bush and MAD member Albert Gaxiola, believe to be a drug trafficker.
During the robbery, Arivaca, Arizona resident Raul Flores is shot to death in cold blood along with his nine-year-old daughter, Brisenia. Flores' wife is also shot but survived by playing dead."
"June 10, 2009 Longtime white supremacist James von Brunn opens fire with a rifle just inside the entrance to the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, killing a security guard. Prior to the Holocaust museum shooting, von Brunn was best known for attempting to takeover the Federal Reserve building in 1981 armed with a sawed-off shotgun"
"LOUISVILLE, Ky. (WDRB Fox 41) -- Outside the Conway-Paul debate, a Rand Paul supporter pulled the woman's blonde wig off and stomped on her head. The Paul supporters have been identified as Paul's bourbon county coordinator Tim Profitt and open-carry advocate Mike Pezzano"
But those godd*@#N hippies camping in the park are OUT OF CONTROL.
Your drivel is just like this boulder problem:
The Phoney Baloney Traverse.
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 14, 2012 - 11:46pm PT
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*giggle*
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Feb 14, 2012 - 11:54pm PT
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Ask, and ye shall receive
thanks for posting that long list of Tea Party type of people hate crimes
I was aware of some of it from reading, and suspected there was more I did not know of.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Feb 15, 2012 - 12:02am PT
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I'm sorry, but it's been a few days. Who, exactly was "fatty?" I have no recollection. Is he that weird old stalker guy that recently started posting over at rockclimbing.com? I heard he's giving people over there the creeps.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Feb 15, 2012 - 12:10am PT
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I piss on you all from a considerable height (about 35', looks like)
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 15, 2012 - 12:10am PT
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you might be mistaking him for MTucker?
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 15, 2012 - 12:12am PT
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it's sorta gotta life of it's own, Charles.
no disrespect taken though.
but I won't delete it.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Feb 15, 2012 - 12:16am PT
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Nice Gneiss:
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Feb 15, 2012 - 12:20am PT
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Don't nuke it...This be a tribute to fattrad the MPC...RJ
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 15, 2012 - 12:20am PT
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Maybe ElCap doesn't want to play anymore, did you forget all the OWS crap?
Are you waiting for me or something? And almost all your 'perps' had any ties to Tea Parties??
I dunno...
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Feb 15, 2012 - 12:24am PT
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I won't delete it.
you are a sick man
heh
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 15, 2012 - 12:25am PT
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Charles, I'm doing all the tooling now.
hehe...I kid.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 15, 2012 - 12:29am PT
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up yours! What are you lookin' at?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 15, 2012 - 12:37am PT
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Charles, there is where people are wrong! I like Fatty, be we disagree on many political fronts.
He's a NeoCon. I'm an Independant Conservative. Too hard hard to describe the subtle differences, but we are cool and have mucho in common.
And you seem to roll largely independant, so whatever. As I said before, I climb with all kinds of people. Doesn't really matter how ya roll. I'll catch ya when ya fall.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 15, 2012 - 12:43am PT
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You can always find him on face book.
I sort of hope you reconsider euthenizIng this thread Doug, it really seems like the sort of thing that fat's clobbering was supposed to keep in check
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 15, 2012 - 12:50am PT
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son of a.....I bailed on that one...lame.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Feb 15, 2012 - 12:53am PT
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I sort of hope you reconsider euthenizIng this thread Doug, it really seems like the sort of thing that fat's clobbering was supposed to keep in check
plus one. even tho ive posted in it. not exactly deathless prose.
the counter-argument, i suppose, is that it's a dedicated thread that helps (at the moment) to keep the politard waste segregated. but i dont expect that to last.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Feb 15, 2012 - 12:59am PT
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Nice shoes
bluecher workboots with graduated soles. probably sears or comparable.
the problem is those hippy pants.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Feb 15, 2012 - 01:03am PT
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Baffled on that aid pic until I picked out the white/silver swami. I was thinking "no harness, no swami? Is he using a leg through a gear sling or something, and WTF is that rope tied into?"
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apogee
climber
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Feb 15, 2012 - 01:07am PT
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Don't nuke it.
Eventually, it'll probably fade back, and the polititards will once again consolidate in F's epoch thread. This thread has an odd, significant place in ST history... and interestingly enough, some pretty good, rational discussion. Let it live.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 15, 2012 - 01:13am PT
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guess where?
a somewhat rare view...
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apogee
climber
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Feb 15, 2012 - 01:18am PT
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Feb 12, 2012 - 07:32pm PT
Post #897
"F*#k all of you.
You all are all a bunch of self-satisfied as#@&%es, just happy with your own feelings of "green" and other crap that makes you "feel" good.
Fatty and Skipt actually have done more for people than you people will ever know. This site officially sucks now.
I canot believe you have condemned them. You all suck!"
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apogee
climber
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Feb 15, 2012 - 01:21am PT
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If you actually think bluering made progress here today, Randisi, you haven't been following him very long.
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apogee
climber
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Feb 15, 2012 - 01:24am PT
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Perfectly valid question.
Equal parts entertainment and public service, perhaps.
Edit: BTW....that's a cool painting. What's the story?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 15, 2012 - 01:26am PT
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Charles pic#1 is Mason (my token Muslim bro) at pitch #1 of Northwest Books.
Pic#2 is me watching two guys climb Serernity Crack from the top of the Devil's Bathtubs.
Cool area,
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apogee
climber
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Feb 15, 2012 - 01:28am PT
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"my token Muslim bro"
Don't anybody be offended by that..that's just the way bluering talks...it's ok...
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 15, 2012 - 01:37am PT
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"my token Muslim bro"
Those are his words not mine. I dig him. Strong climber too!
He is friends with Fatty too. Cool guy. The only reason Islam comes up is on the forum. I have to explain why I believe my crap.
He's cool though. He's a normal dude. His faith, as it should be, is irrellevant. But that's just one bro!!!!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 15, 2012 - 01:44am PT
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that looks real tough...
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apogee
climber
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Feb 15, 2012 - 01:48am PT
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Hey, blue...can you explain your 'c#mcatcher' comment again? It's always so much fun...
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 15, 2012 - 01:54am PT
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Hey, blue...can you explain your 'c#mcatcher' comment again? It's always so much fun...
We'd have to renew maturbation and birth control again. Really???? I am done with that.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Feb 15, 2012 - 01:55am PT
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bump...
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apogee
climber
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Feb 15, 2012 - 01:56am PT
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'masturbation'
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damo62
Social climber
Brisbane
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Feb 15, 2012 - 01:57am PT
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LEB=CMAC
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 15, 2012 - 02:03am PT
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I told YA...Sprock is watchin'...
you people never listen....
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 15, 2012 - 02:06am PT
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When Sprock free solos, well, he free solos...
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apogee
climber
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Feb 15, 2012 - 02:08am PT
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Ya know, I didn't want to do this, but I just flashed on a parallel with Lois's question.....
Doesn't matter if we're talking about bluering, skipt, Weschrist, FortMental, or fattrad...there isn't so much a specific, individual comment or post that is completely illustrative of the reason why they were (or should be, in my virtually worthless opinion) nuked.
It's the overall pattern that matters. When you look at the pattern that each of these people exhibited, it formed a sum (arguably) larger than most. Yes, bluering is still here...and yes, he seems to have had a lucid moment tonight. He's had those moments before- many times before- and always....always...he follows up with more evidence of who he really is. It's not pretty. Maybe not nuke-worthy (yet), but not pretty or positive.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Feb 15, 2012 - 02:09am PT
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hey man, is that me spread eagle on the slab?
i was trying to drop a deuce when you took that,
heading to bald rock canyon tomorrow,
bluey, we gots a climbin area right next to where all the chico girls do their nude sun bathing, over...
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 15, 2012 - 02:15am PT
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It's the overall pattern that matters. When you look at the pattern that each of these people exhibited, it formed a sum (arguably) larger than most. Yes, bluering is still here...and yes, he seems to have had a lucid moment tonight. He's had those moments before- many times before- and always....always...he follows up with more evidence of who he really is. It's not pretty. Maybe not nuke-worthy (yet), but not pretty or positive.
What you continually fail at at is the notion of free-speech and free-excercise. You think ther should be one person-based dominion. NO!!! The constitution works very well. It is almost perfect. That is good enough for me, bra!!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 15, 2012 - 02:20am PT
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Oh, Jimmy is such a sweetheart!!!! You're so dreamy.....
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apogee
climber
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Feb 15, 2012 - 02:23am PT
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"What you continually fail at at is the notion of free-speech and free-excercise."
'exercise'
What you continually fail to understand is that this Forum is owned by an individual. It's a capitalist enterprise, and private property...you like that, remember??
It's not public property...it's private property. If you had a neighbor who had rightwing leanings, who put up a giant billboard and told you and the rest of your cohorts that you could post all of your ideas for the world to see...and then later, some brownshirted, whitehooded whackos started posting some reallllly nasty shite, and your neighbor said...umm, that's not really what I had in mind...you need to leave now...
Would you really rail on that poor guy saying he was infringing on 'freedom of speech'?
IT'S HIS OWN PROPERTY, ferchrissakes!!!!!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 15, 2012 - 02:29am PT
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You didn't choose Bluering. You must be one or the other, It's the law.
Sorry, Jim, all I have to offer are belays. I have a wife to please too, ya know!
It's a job I take willingly though. The chix need dudez. I'm just doing the Man's work...
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apogee
climber
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Feb 15, 2012 - 02:49am PT
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"I think on some level, he is simply grieving, that's all. There is an element of anger, as well."
'Grieving'? To the extent bluering lost someone who was on his 'side', yeah, I'd say that's true. Really, all of bluering's rantings about 'partisan censorship' is just bullshite...the clear, obvious facts demonstrate otherwise, and in the end, he's pissed because his 'side' lost a key player. And that's about it.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Feb 15, 2012 - 04:07am PT
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LEB Post #21,529.
Dali himself would have been at a complete loss. Imagine attempting to create a visual representation of the situational irony embodied by this extravagantly and spectacularly surreal individual.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Feb 15, 2012 - 04:28am PT
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I want to say that I am very grateful that CMac took steps to make this place more positive and less hateful. Frankly, I was getting really fed up with it and losing interest because of the tolerance for all the hatefulness
And yet here you are, dug in tighter than a tick, like a stubborn virus we just can't seem to shake. Exactly how much more "fed up" with the "hatefulness" must you become before you lose interest? The amount of time and energy you invest in this climber's environment is nothing less than stunning. The sheer weight of your postcount could stunt a team of oxen in it's tracks. In case it has not entirely sunk in with you yet, let me state yet once again for the record: your ongoing presence here, and your obstinate determination to maintain your presence here, are quite likely both clinical and pathological manifestations of some unfortunate short-circuit in your mental wiring. You are not so much as the Village Idiot as the Village Freak; the inscrutable bag lady who sits by herself at the lunch counter engaging in loud "conversations" with invisible, imignary, mentally manufactured "freinds."
Right off the top of my head, I can think of just one more step that Chris M. can undertake to add a bit more polish to this gem of a forum. So close, and yet so far...
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Feb 15, 2012 - 05:17am PT
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No worries Jim. I was merely engaging in another gratuitous, tastless, and mean-sprited jab at my favorite, perennial, fish-in-a barrel target of opportunity, the one and only LEB, lost in the wilderness of a climbing world she cannot possibly comprehend. No rosetta stones exist for translating the nomenclature, zeitgiest, gestalt, and perverse humor of the Hidden Valley set for some lost soul who stumbled into our asylum and deluded herself into thinking she could serve a role here. She is one grain of sand who muscled her way into the oyster without a prayer of ever becoming a pearl. Odd, sad, and extraordinarily facinating...from a clinical point of view, anyho, for those who take an interest in the murky world of human behavioral analysis. She truly is one odd duck, and is fun to examine from a distance, sort of in that "can't-take-your-eyes-off-the-train-wreck" impulse that most of us are powerless to resist.
And on another note, WAY off-topic, my blessed doctor has cleared me to go out and hack around for two hours -- and not a second more -- on the local 5.6 slab circuit. So, so, so psyched, I can't sleep! I mean, it's 2:15 am and I'm drinking coffee and eating Trader Joe's cheesecake. w00t!
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Feb 15, 2012 - 05:27am PT
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'She' is here so much because she is obviously the creation of a retired climber - if they were currently a climber, they wouldn't have the inclination, time or energy to bother.
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dirtbag
climber
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Feb 15, 2012 - 09:06am PT
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I hope fatty and weschrist will rejoin us someday.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Feb 15, 2012 - 09:36am PT
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Truth be told, apogee, our side did not have many players in the first place so we could hardly afford to lose one, let alone two
There are a lot of conservative voices on this forum, but they don't post much to these threads because of the continued hatred spread by people like Fattrad, Skipt, Blue, Fortmental, Dr. F, and others.
Roger Breedlove is a perfect example of a conservative who would post more if wading into the conversation wasn't so disgusting.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Feb 15, 2012 - 10:07am PT
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as a consolation prize, Fatty get's another sorta "appreciation" thread.
and it's not like some appreciation threads where you know the guy is reading all the posts and needs to comment at some point but when?
Now he's a dope outlaw raggamuffin who can say he was tooled
Peace
Karl
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 15, 2012 - 10:24am PT
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if i nuked it another one or more would pop up so that seems pointless. at least it's all contained in one place.
and as much as it upsets some to have it on the front page my observation is that when people nuke a thread there is intense outrage. Said outrage would then be directed at me. so i pick the lesser of two poisons.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Feb 15, 2012 - 10:26am PT
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Now he's a dope outlaw raggamuffin who can say he was tooled
Why in the world would you seek to lift up someone who is unrepentant, to try and make their banning seem cool? Don't you see that this just encourages his poor behavior?
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Feb 15, 2012 - 10:34am PT
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This thread needs to die. How about deleting it Nature
How about not clicking on it Sully?
If you don't like the thread, you have the power to solve your problem within your own index finger. No clicky, no problem.
You know, I don't care about snow leopards, present weather conditions on the eastside, bonobos, teaching evolution, or ukele music...but I'm not in those threads asking the author to delete them either.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Feb 15, 2012 - 11:03am PT
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Fattrad/Pol Pot 2012!
Endorsed by Jeffrey Dalmer.
The wanna-be one.
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 15, 2012 - 11:10am PT
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You guys are fuking crazy.
Fattrad is gone and you guys are still talking like he's still here.
You guys are trying get LEB to stop talking and at the same time keep talking to her.
INSANE!!!!!!
INSANITY !!!!!
You guys just as soon should all shoot yourselves in the head .....
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Feb 15, 2012 - 11:15am PT
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Late comer to the game. Don't think I can read 1100 posts on the topic.
So uh....can someone summarize what the heck happened?
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Feb 15, 2012 - 11:19am PT
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It's a banning/political/LEB dominated/ told you so/don't look and quit whining/blueballs/can't we all get along/f*ck off/ appreciation thread.
more or less
cheers
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Feb 15, 2012 - 11:26am PT
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Thanks locker and DD.
But what prompted the banning that begot all this love?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 15, 2012 - 11:26am PT
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Survival, Fattie and Skipt were banned. The good news is Klimmer is back.
Oh, and Tami is instituting a bonobo-based conflict resolution therapy clinic for us.
ps
Dr F is collecting the bail money.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Feb 15, 2012 - 11:35am PT
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Hey Survival. I think Chris just had enough. After the superbowl, there was a thread started by Chris about a climber who did some tricks on a slack line during the halftime performance. It was wild.
Fattie
Fortmental
Weschrist
and Dadood
crapped all over that thread. That got them banned. Then someone reminded Chris about the post Skipt made to Jstan and that got Skipt banned.
Then Chris made a video about trying to maintain the signal to noise ratio. If you post more crap then good, then plan on being shown the door.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Feb 15, 2012 - 11:37am PT
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Moosie wrote
Why in the world would you seek to lift up someone who is unrepentant, to try and make their banning seem cool? Don't you see that this just encourages his poor behavior?
I'm against a lot of what Fatty Believes but I'm not against Fatty. He's paying for his own behavior so he doesn't need a additional kick from me.
I think it's positive that Fatty shared his view in the political discussions. People should know that view is out there and how noble/ignoble it is
Peace
Karl
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Feb 15, 2012 - 11:37am PT
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Fatty graced one of CMac's threads in his usual style and CMac gave him a lifetime achievement award. Skipt, not wanting to be upstaged, unloaded a nastygram on JStan, and was ejected from the playing field.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Feb 15, 2012 - 11:39am PT
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He's paying for his own behavior so he doesn't need a additional kick from me.
So instead you glorify his scofflaw behavior by trying to make his banning somehow seem cool. It is no wonder we never get rid of that kind of behavior on this planet.
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apogee
climber
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Feb 15, 2012 - 11:40am PT
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Moosie, those facts are probably largely true, but the way you've presented them makes it sound like that was a singular event, and CMac's action was simply retribution in nature.
Those posts were probably the straw that broke the back...those 4 posters had significant histories of negativity in their postings. (Some of which were quite prolific.) It's not about a singular event...it's about a pattern of behavior.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Feb 15, 2012 - 11:42am PT
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You are correct apogee. It was not a result of a singular event. It was definitely cumulative.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Feb 15, 2012 - 11:46am PT
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Wow. This is way more fun than I could have expected.
Your summaries are all funny, classic supertopo.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Feb 15, 2012 - 11:50am PT
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Mine above, is TRUE!!!...
True according to Fattie. With the amount of trolling he does, it is likely to be a lie.
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apogee
climber
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Feb 15, 2012 - 11:50am PT
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It's interesting that none of these 4 have returned under some kind of 'alter-avatar', as is so common with some who have received the boot. (If they have returned, it hasn't been very noticeable...yet.)
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Feb 15, 2012 - 12:01pm PT
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Sez Mr Wolf doing it with a tailpipe....HA!
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Feb 15, 2012 - 12:04pm PT
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That's what you WANT to believe...
I figured that was obvious. What you are saying is true is what you WANT to believe. Capisce? Fatty loves to troll. So it is possible and I believe highly likely, that he is trolling. You believe otherwise. I do think that his persona is whacked enough to have done that kind of nonsense. People who like to see others squirm, as he has said he enjoys, are lacking a basic sense of decency.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Feb 15, 2012 - 12:13pm PT
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Fort Mental has a new avatar. I've seen it and it seems he is burned on the taco.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Feb 15, 2012 - 12:15pm PT
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Fatties trolling has become like the kid who cried wolf. Now one never knows when to believe him. Kind of poetic justice if everyone believes he told the cops. Makes him look like a real jerk. But according to him, he was only joking.. wink wink.
He carries things too far and now he is paying the price.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Feb 15, 2012 - 12:19pm PT
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Hey Fatty, Republicans are lame, Tools are lame, especially reserve tools, Israel fundamentalists are lame....
There, just because you can't respond for once. MWA HA HA HA!!
Survival/Tim Leary 2012
Endorsed by Hoffman
The liberal one
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Feb 15, 2012 - 12:21pm PT
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Survival, Leary's dead man.
But his spirit will live forever.
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apogee
climber
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Feb 15, 2012 - 12:22pm PT
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So let me get this straight, since fattrad's writing style is a little tough to understand...
fattrad is saying that on the same day of the 'mass boot', his office was broken into & 4 computers were stolen...in a police report that he filed, when asked if there was anyone who was pissed off at him (or some such), and he replied that RJ & CMac were a couple of recent examples?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Feb 15, 2012 - 12:26pm PT
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Yeah Brandon, but it matters not! It's as real as Fats campaign.
Survival/Tim Leary 2012
Also endorsed by Ginsburg, Burroughs, and all the cross dressers in the world......
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apogee
climber
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Feb 15, 2012 - 12:32pm PT
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So am I reading that right? fattrad is insinuating that his office break-in & CMac/RJ were conceivably involved?
I'm breathless with incredulousness.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Feb 15, 2012 - 12:34pm PT
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Also endorsed by Joseph Campbell.
Dang I'm cracking me up!
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apogee
climber
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Feb 15, 2012 - 12:40pm PT
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Awwferchrissakes.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Feb 15, 2012 - 12:42pm PT
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What would be the purpose of it???...
He has said he enjoys watching people make fools of themselves by believing lies. It makes him feel superior if he can fool someone. He thinks telling lies and getting people to believe them means he is superior. Just like the boy who cried wolf. Welcome to politics, where lying is considered to be just part of doing business and a skilled liar is prized.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Feb 15, 2012 - 12:44pm PT
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Has anybody got to the part where any of this actually matters?
Uh, no.
None of anything actually matters.
Survival/Tim Leary 2012
Endorsed by Sitting Bull
and The Brave Little Toaster
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apogee
climber
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Feb 15, 2012 - 12:47pm PT
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Can we get back to talking about politics now?
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Feb 15, 2012 - 12:50pm PT
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I met Jeff in person and spend some time with him...great guy in a lot of ways. I think we need to lay off and maybe extend a kind hand out to him. Who knows what he is going through.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Feb 15, 2012 - 12:51pm PT
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I would gladly offer my hand to him, if he would lay off the crap.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Feb 15, 2012 - 12:52pm PT
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Can we re-title this thread: "AS THE TACO TURNS"?
LOL
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Feb 15, 2012 - 12:53pm PT
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Everybody's restless and they've got no place to go
Someone's always trying to tell them
Something they already know
So their anger and resentment flow. . . .
(Warren Zevon). . .
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apogee
climber
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Feb 15, 2012 - 12:55pm PT
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jstan
climber
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Feb 15, 2012 - 01:00pm PT
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I think the psychiatrist purposely put a pea under one of the pillows on this couch.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Feb 15, 2012 - 01:02pm PT
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I think the psychiatrist purposely put a pea under one of the pillows on this couch.
LOL! You shouldn't do that during business hours, John. Now everyone is wondering what it is that has me in stitches, and hoping it's not them.
John
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Feb 15, 2012 - 01:03pm PT
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I think the psychiatrist purposely put a pea under one of the pillows on this couch.
hahaha.. too funny Jstan.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 15, 2012 - 01:55pm PT
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Y'all are dangerously close to having to get a room, for the duration.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Feb 15, 2012 - 01:59pm PT
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Such a joke... Never meeting CMac or knowing much about him other then running a business, being extremely involved in the climbing community, and word of mouth being a nice cool guy, I'm pretty sure it's safe to say that...
Fattrad has some sort of a compulsive disorder where it makes him feel the need to make his authority known on a community forum, not relating to any sort of LEO's forum. He's often paranoid of, well, everything.
Sure he's a climber, and most climbers (probably from smoking all of that fuel soaked weed) are kind of out there, but that's fine. It's what makes all you guys so neat and interesting. His ranting about Obama, cops tasering innocent people, or just flat out ridicule'd arguments are sometimes entertaining, but also extremely annoying.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and is fortunate to have the 1st Amendment behind their [Post this Reply] button, but he went too far too many times in too many threads on too many topics.
And if that whole thing about office break in, four stolen computers, and reporting the administrators of this site in the report is true... Who wouldn't ban him? He's obviously an extremely paranoid individual.
To be honest; with how he posts, and the way he words and starts aggressively flaming people for posting, I don't think he'd pass a psyche test to get into an LEO academy of any kind. Okay maybe Paladin Security co.
My $10.25.
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 15, 2012 - 02:04pm PT
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I think you are all missing an important sequence of events issue here.
Fatty got banned.
Fatty got his office broken into
Police questioned him and asked "who doesn't like you"
Fatty respond - RJ and CMAC.
His ousting had NOTHING to do with what he said to the police.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 15, 2012 - 02:20pm PT
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The dime-ing of cmac is what is going to keep him off.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Feb 15, 2012 - 02:20pm PT
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Lol, volunteer cop?
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apogee
climber
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Feb 15, 2012 - 02:26pm PT
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"His ousting had NOTHING to do with what he said to the police."
No, fattrad wasn't ousted as retribution because he went to the cops....
fattrad went to the cops and implicated (by name) CMac & RJ AFTER he was ousted.
That's really disturbing, and enough to renounce any support for the return of fattrad that I have made on his behalf.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Feb 15, 2012 - 02:30pm PT
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My best guess:
Locker is now testing the limits. For how long will he be allowed to attack, not without reason, the troll that is now gone, before he himself is nuked.
Locker: Right? Wrong?
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Feb 15, 2012 - 02:33pm PT
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Maybe you will be surprised. ;o)
Edited: I'm no supporter of Fattrad's return, but come what come will.
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jstan
climber
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Feb 15, 2012 - 02:39pm PT
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Think about it for a moment. The stolen computers would have had data on them from Jeff's customers. There was a breach of security. How would Jeff want that breach reported to his customers?
1. Quite out of the blue my office was broken into and information was stolen. All the names of the owners and account ID's were encrypted but still information was lost.
2. I got into a tiff with the owner of a (non-porno) web site and was banned from the site. Some of the graphics on the site are pornographic, but that is not why I went to the site many times each day. But he was such a personal enemy he may have been involved in breaking into my office.
Go ahead. Choose.
Edit:
TC:
With millions of customers BofA has to report the theft of a laptop. But Jeff does not have to keep his customers informed?
Seriously?
For my own part I heard Jeff say more than enough reasonable things to convince me he was trolling most of the time on ST. Just to get a reaction.
The Evil One?
Oiy veh.
Maybe I have to say the obvious. Locker is right. Jeff would never have mentioned a minor tiff with ST. Irrelevant. He is just stirring the pot. Again.
Some real damage to Jeff comes about if the authorities happen onto the nonsense here.
We need to stop this right now.
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apogee
climber
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Feb 15, 2012 - 02:56pm PT
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Hoo-boy, this is starting to get weird.
There's plenty of ST Repubs who will write this off coming from a Lib, but the more I'm learning about this, the less confident I am in fattrad's role in this circus.
Though we've clearly been on opposite sides of the ideologic fence, I've made my appreciation for fattrad clear many times prior to his ousting, and since he got the boot, I've been a supporter of his return.
The more I've been learning about it, and with the potential for who-knows-how-much is not evident to any of us, the more it seems that my support was misplaced...until/unless the real skinny ever comes out. Which is entirely unlikely.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Feb 15, 2012 - 03:06pm PT
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I personally think that the banning occurred after dudes had slandered CMacs thread with un-called-for junk postings.
The fact that fattard dropped a name (by stating "it couldn't have been..." before the namedropping is meaningless: The fact is by mentioning a name of a common citizen means that that name goes onto a record.
It would have been different if fat had said "It couldn't have been Obama", "It couldn't have been Feinstein", "It couldn't hace beebn Elvis" because each of those people have pretty good alibies.
By dropping the name CMac or RJ might mean that they would have to answer needless questions, and that would waste the time of PD involved.
If I was that cop asking the question and fat gave that answer I would have advised "I didn't ask who you thought couldn't have done this... The question is "Do you have any enemies? Or who do you think might have done this?"
Just answer the question....
Just the facts!!!
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Meow Now
Trad climber
Emerald City
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Feb 15, 2012 - 03:09pm PT
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Supertopo-Fattrad Nuked- Fatty stirs the pot, from afar, and all jump in...
I thought you guys were intelligent? :)
Trolling
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 15, 2012 - 03:31pm PT
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Which one of those guys was "a saint" previously?
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Feb 15, 2012 - 03:34pm PT
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Feb 15, 2012 - 03:55pm PT
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Hi Tomcat
I have asked about total deletion before and was informed that you cannot do
anything about it as everything you posted belongs to the website.
I guess you just stop posting, and forget about it.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Feb 15, 2012 - 04:18pm PT
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Can anyone give be beta on closing my account
Sure. See that stuff in the upper right corner that says "Sign Out"?
Click on that. Then don't return to the website or ever log in. Presto, you have "closed" your account.
The feet stamping, "I'm takin' my ball and going home" bit is always good for a laugh. They always come back. ALWAYS. The ones who feel the need to announce it (and even better, those who start a thread with their big announcement of leaving) will be back within a year and lurking within 3 mo.
Doesn't matter what forum, it could be on model airplanes, knitting, or barbeque recipes, always the same bit.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 15, 2012 - 04:35pm PT
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Wade, where did you get that current photo of fatty training? You guys wouldn't believe the shape he's in since he stooped posting and started using that time to train! Around Blackhawk and Walnut Creek they call him, Mr Send!
They're even gonna name a pie after him at extreme pizza!
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Feb 15, 2012 - 04:37pm PT
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The feet stamping, "I'm takin' my ball and going home" bit is always good for a laugh. They always come back. ALWAYS. The ones who feel the need to announce it (and even better, those who start a thread with their big announcement of leaving) will be back within a year and lurking within 3 mo.
LOL!! Indeed.
Always good for a laugh. As if anyone cares...
The adult-children around her never fail to amuse with their histronics.
I would argue that most come back much sooner than a year, some can't resist more than several hours (i think Rokjox still holds the record).
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apogee
climber
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Feb 15, 2012 - 05:12pm PT
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Looks like tomcat figured out how to delete his posts.
Can't say I blame him...the more that comes out about what happened, the more embarrassing it is to be any part of it...including being one of the clucking chickens in the henhouse.
Edit: BTW, nature...I still don't think that this thread should be nuked.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Feb 15, 2012 - 07:25pm PT
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Stalin was likened to a glacier. Nobody could see his moves, but move he did, always, slowly, methodically, and with enormous force. Informants were everywhere, denunciations became a way of life, an obligation even.
lol. cmac=stalin?
that was a joke, right? or am i laughing at you rather than with you?
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Curt
Boulder climber
Gilbert, AZ
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Feb 15, 2012 - 07:36pm PT
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Stalin was likened to a glacier. Nobody could see his moves, but move he did, always, slowly, methodically, and with enormous force. Informants were everywhere, denunciations became a way of life, an obligation even.
He killed some of the informants too--just to keep everyone on their toes.
Curt
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Lennox
climber
just southwest of the center of the universe
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Feb 15, 2012 - 08:02pm PT
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Upon perusing the last few pages of this thread, I had a strange sense of deja vu reminding me of the time I peered into my navel and found a big wad of lint.
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 15, 2012 - 08:16pm PT
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I had a chat with Jeff on facebook a little while ago.
Here's a bit of advice for everyone.
Regarding the computers and the police and his report - drop it. forget about it. it's a non-story. 100% non-story. the only story really is how easy it is to troll locker ;-P.
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Gene
climber
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Feb 15, 2012 - 08:21pm PT
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Dudes!!!!!!!
Enough already.
Fattrad has been escorted from the premises. Do you need a 12 step program or grief counselling to cope with it? Get over it.
Carry on.
g
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Feb 15, 2012 - 08:21pm PT
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"Doc,, i believe 99% of the people posting in this thread have been way over the line at LEAST once."...
I'm obviously the remaining 1%...
Occupy Locker.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Feb 15, 2012 - 08:26pm PT
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I had to UNFRIEND him this morning having caught him in so many lies...
yep
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Feb 15, 2012 - 08:27pm PT
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What's the view look like from under the bus Locker?
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 15, 2012 - 08:30pm PT
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OK - I've been trolled by fatty.
makes sense. thanks to the anonymous taco filling that PM'd me.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Feb 15, 2012 - 08:40pm PT
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I've been out & about all day, but just caught up on the posts from today.
Nearly thru a glass of wine.
Wish I could say something worthwhile.
Is there anything worthwhile left to say?
It is kinda fun seeing Bluering spew every other night. (he has to rest the next day---like God did after 7).
I've LEARNED ABOUT CREATIVE USE OF CAPITALS & bOLDING! today.
Perhaps LEB would be interested in this on-line course?
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 15, 2012 - 08:43pm PT
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Ron - that is your finest contribution to the taco I've ever seen (realize i've not seen a lot so.....)
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 15, 2012 - 08:43pm PT
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Bluering has been Way going Over the Line,
How so? I know you'd love nothing more to see me gone, but explain why? And explain how that is contrasted with your contributions to the community.
It is kinda fun seeing Bluering spew every other night. (he has to rest the next day---like God did after 7).
I'm glad to be able to 'entertain' you....now piss off!
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Gene
climber
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Feb 15, 2012 - 08:43pm PT
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You guys are freaking bored. Enough already. K?
g
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 15, 2012 - 08:50pm PT
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Oh for sure he(fatty)'s backpedaling on that one now. It's still not gonna get him back here.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Feb 15, 2012 - 08:54pm PT
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that shoe glue must cause some serious brain damage.....
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 15, 2012 - 09:02pm PT
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"There's nothing like the smell of GLUE in the morning!!!"...
I dunno about that. the smell of coffee brings some fond memories.... ;-)
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Feb 15, 2012 - 09:07pm PT
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Just a quick post to let LEB know I'm still out here, and still obsessed. With climbing, that is.
Carry on!
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Feb 15, 2012 - 09:13pm PT
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For me, climbing is not an obsession it is a necessity.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 15, 2012 - 09:23pm PT
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Dr. F, I knew you couldn't let it rest...
Explain what was is wrong with that "outburst".
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 15, 2012 - 09:31pm PT
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Explain what was is wrong with that "outburst".
holy f*#k... if you have to ask....
beyond help.
really?
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Feb 15, 2012 - 09:35pm PT
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this is a groovy thread,
you can put them in a salad
you can put them in a pie,
any way you eat them,
it is hard to beat them,
those chiquita bannanas
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Feb 15, 2012 - 09:35pm PT
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Hey Nature….
What about starting a thread headlining all those who have been banned over the years?
It can be an ongoing/work in progress.
It can be updated as needed, but might also present backstories on each.
AC can be on it.
Locker can be on it - he was banned for a short while, right?
Not sayin anything bad about those who've been banned… just wonder if there could be a thread for the hall of fame "Banned" players of supertopo?
Cheers all,
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Feb 15, 2012 - 09:36pm PT
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Blue wrote: Dr. F, I knew you couldn't let it rest...
Explain what was is wrong with that "outburst".
The upside down world of republicans or whatever blue calls himself.
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OR
Trad climber
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Feb 15, 2012 - 09:39pm PT
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What the......? I travel for a few months and all hell breaks loose on the Taco. People being banned????? That is awful. The political diversity is what made supertopo worthwhile. I know its a climbing site but many here have been climbing for a long long time and sometimes climbers want to chat with other climbers about something other than climbing. What a total bummer.
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 15, 2012 - 09:41pm PT
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What about starting a thread headlining all those who have been banned over the years?
Does Mountain Man count?
oh wait... never mind... that was different :-)
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Feb 15, 2012 - 09:44pm PT
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Hey Nature -- I know you're pretty surprised at the rate this thread got to 1,000 (and is still going strong), but I just had a thought...
What if you'd posted the exact same original post, but had made a little tiny one-letter typo in the title. What if the title had read "Fattrad naked - classic" I bet that one would have set a record for the absolute least number of responses ever. No one would have dared open it.
Ha ha. And now I've spoiled dinner for anyone who read this.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Feb 15, 2012 - 09:47pm PT
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look for the pink jeep,
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Feb 15, 2012 - 09:55pm PT
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I know you'd love nothing more to see me gone, but explain why?
19414 forum postings found….
And counting….
lol
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 15, 2012 - 09:57pm PT
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David - I'm glad I already had dinner.
I just threw up in the back of my mouth if that's any consolation?
Wrote a note said be back in a minute
Bought a boat and I sailed off in it
Don't think anybody gonna miss me anyway
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Feb 15, 2012 - 10:04pm PT
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probably walked right by you and did not know who it was
Unlikely. You'd have had to get past door security, and my secretary. Nice thought though. Keep dreaming.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Feb 15, 2012 - 10:10pm PT
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Survival/Tim Leary 2012
Endorsed by Black Kettle and Red Cloud
Hey, just trying to fill the power vaccuum.....
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 15, 2012 - 10:14pm PT
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holy f*#k... if you have to ask....
beyond help.
really?
Yeah, really. You grave-dancers really cannot take criticism back, is that it? And I'm probably the only profane conservative here (most others use kinder words), but since Cmac has the blur filters in place, f*#k it. I'll admit though that most kids find out how to read through it real quick.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Feb 15, 2012 - 10:31pm PT
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LEB stated: Feb 10, 2012 - 10:50am PT
It is also a supreme example of poor boundaries, as I commented to above. There have been other examples but, fortunately, it is rare here. That is one sort of behavior which should NOT be tolerated by anyone and with no exceptions. Threatening to contact spouses, jobs, making phone calls to persons at their home or work (the latter happened to me, in fact), or in any way mingling our "lives" here on ST with our "real lives" is strictly taboo. There should be zero tolerance for that sort of behavior.
And LEB stated Feb 15, 2012 - 07:12pm PT
Well, if I ever return, I shall have to be sure to seek you out and tell your secretary how very much I wish to meet with you. Now that I know you are there, why I can hardly wait to go back again.
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apogee
climber
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Feb 15, 2012 - 10:33pm PT
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 15, 2012 - 10:46pm PT
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I should cancel sushifest. I'd actually meet people in real life that are only electrons otherwise. and we can't have that.... or something.
(I should probably just post this to the Friday night and drunk thread ;-)
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 15, 2012 - 10:49pm PT
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reindeer games? f*#k dude. that's weird. that's weird sh#t.
how's it work with the velvet on the horns? nice?
g'ah! nevermind!
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 15, 2012 - 10:53pm PT
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LEB, fair enough.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Feb 15, 2012 - 10:55pm PT
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Hey Crimpie…
So… In other words….. she's a hypocrite?
Typical
I mean that usually is the case with "those types"….. being republicon actually means something in America….. And that is a pretty decent picture of it right there
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 15, 2012 - 11:04pm PT
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So, the latest version is that, he simply lied to a number of people, and never incriminated Cmac and Rj, and that that somehow those lies show a great wit.
How is that better than to have narked those guys out in the first place?
We will never know what happened.
I have never understood this internet troller thing that flat out lying to people, to fool them into thinking you did something stupid, shows some sort of superior gamesmanship.
Which is why I never got what made Ramjet a hero to so many. All I know is that that is a person not to be trusted.
What is the point in throwing away your credibility, forever, on a lame "joke"?
Talk about rancid Karma...
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 15, 2012 - 11:26pm PT
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Talk about rancid Karma...
oh man... don't bring up the Karma subject again.
That was a mess and now it's fourth page news. wheeew!
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 15, 2012 - 11:28pm PT
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I tried to warn ya.....
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Feb 15, 2012 - 11:37pm PT
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I was never banned...
you sly fox
and all this time
you were lurking when all thought you were banned
but still:
Locker/Norton
2012
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 15, 2012 - 11:39pm PT
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I'm announcing my entry into the the race.
Nature/Jaybro 2012
(let me double check with my partner first I guess....)
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 15, 2012 - 11:46pm PT
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What the hell? The routine will be good for us!
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Feb 15, 2012 - 11:48pm PT
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Wide cracks and sushi...you have my vote.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 16, 2012 - 12:04am PT
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Sushi and big cracks? I'm out!!!
I just barfed a bit...
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Tahoe climber
climber
Davis these days
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Feb 16, 2012 - 12:31am PT
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I can't believe this trash is getting as much attention as the bolt-chopping K&K thread.
Both are fascinating - one, like watching a once in a lifetime comet blazing across the sky, the other, like watching a lunatic banging his head against a brick wall.
One, inspiring and interesting and cool, despite controversy.
The other, soul-crushing and lame.
See if you can guess which is which.
Respectfully, you people need to go climbing and see what that's like. Then you might remember what this is all about. It sure isn't for inane arguments about how should be banned for saying what and trolling and all the other incredibly pointless arguing you do.
In the name of something, anything, special and cool and magic within you, consider acting like an adult who likes to do cool sh#t and then share it with one another, instead of like an anonymous e-child with a foul mouth and zero parental guidance. If you're going to talk about stuff that isn't climbing on a climbing forum, at least be selfish enough to talk only about interesting topics.
TC
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Feb 16, 2012 - 12:38am PT
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Whuh? The K&K thing I couldn't even get through. Why would I care about what a bunch of armchair never was beens have to say about it? They chopped it, I applaud them, and have no interest in others' opinions on it.
The only people with anything worth listening to in there were Donini and that other dude that did an early ascent, and Rolo. The rest of all that babbling bullshit and butthurt Italians...zzzzzzzzz.
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 16, 2012 - 12:49am PT
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yeah... and the one of the great parts is in a few days Jim will be sitting at a campfire that I light. Oh the fun of armchairing it until the AM when the Sake finally wears off and we pull on monzonite.
I'm such a poser.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 16, 2012 - 12:51am PT
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I think we could sew up the blue camalot vote....
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 16, 2012 - 12:53am PT
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Blue Camalot states are easy.
we gotta work the Red Camalot states.
dare we bother with the pink tri-cam minority?
Jebus +1
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Feb 16, 2012 - 01:03am PT
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Callie,
Indeed, I will concede that point. Valid, indeed. Since you bring it up, however, I will acknowledge that you make a very good point there and, in keeping with the principles put forth, I will simply have to resist meeting BVB live and person. How very disappointing but we must be true to our principles.
What the hell Lois. I'm game. You roll through Flag, shoot me a PM and we can size each other up. I expect we'll both discover, to our profound disappointment, that we are entirely ordinary and unremarkable human beings, complete with our own designer warts and other unique idiosyncracies.
But don't think for one second I won't continue to ruthlessly lampoon you with the same glee and joie de vivre that I reserve for all my other homeslice comrades here on the intardwebz.
And remember: There are NO RULES in a KNIFEFIGHT. Moreover, I reserve the right to freely and randomly quote, without attribution, extraordinarily well-known passages from American literature during the course of routine communication and conversation.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 16, 2012 - 01:06am PT
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The pink tri cam vote?
You're going to have to make a lot of rainbow rolls...
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 16, 2012 - 01:09am PT
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SWOLE!
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Feb 16, 2012 - 01:11am PT
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We're gonna have to get piks, otherwise it will be a totally invalid dabfest.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Feb 16, 2012 - 01:12am PT
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TR is required. :)
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 16, 2012 - 01:26am PT
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Sly is def playing at the inaugural!
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 16, 2012 - 01:31am PT
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Word.
You think we can get him to Wyoming?
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 16, 2012 - 01:59am PT
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No prob, we had George Clinton in wyo last year and I have people in Oakland!
Riley, you don't say......
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silentone
Mountain climber
wisconsin
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Feb 16, 2012 - 02:45am PT
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Locker and others.
This is about people who post to much worthless stuff.....
What value do your posts have other than to stir things up?
How many time in this thread have you tried to get people to bite on your fattrad "inside info". Very few of us care!!!!!!!!
As far as signal to noise ratio you are all noise.
Give it a rest and go look at your camel toes.
Thanks
S.O.
p.s who's interest are you serving by posting hundreds of time a day?
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Lennox
climber
just southwest of the center of the universe
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Feb 16, 2012 - 03:04am PT
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It all smells really fishy around here lately; I think some of you are mistaking your former manly ball-sweat smell for your current case of vaginitis----Facebook usage (¿seriously?) is always one of the main symptoms and modes of transmission!
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Comicscragsman
Social climber
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Feb 16, 2012 - 03:42am PT
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What the hell Lois. I'm game. You roll through Flag, shoot me a PM and we can size each other up. I expect we'll both discover, to our profound disappointment, that we are entirely ordinary and unremarkable human beings, complete with our own designer warts and other unique idiosyncracies.
Bob, you're a humble human being and also an AMERICAN LEGEND. That's the part that LEB doesn't, and ain't never gonna, understand. If she met you. it would blow her mind. The witch would fizzle and melt away, her power gone. She gotta hide behind that keyboard and screen.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Feb 16, 2012 - 03:42am PT
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fatty tried to get me to loan him my laptop,,
so i showed him the chris rock video,
showing what happens if you touch my laptop,
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Lennox
climber
just southwest of the center of the universe
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Feb 16, 2012 - 03:59am PT
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Hey Riley,
I'm gonna try to be at Todd's 4/21 and maybe I can grab some Flagyl, diflucan, tindamax, and Unthink.com from my Omnicell and we can cool your jets.
I'm always ready with other options if climbing together can't make us happy and copacetic.
aka loom; aka Mr. L
Scott Lennox
[edit] the last teabagger I "talked to" now has a bad case of cauliflower ear and TMJ syndrome big boy.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Feb 16, 2012 - 10:09am PT
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Funny if you thought this tread was about Fat...it is about Lois, always will be. Every thread she clicks on is about her. BVB you are just feeding the beast and she loves it.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Feb 16, 2012 - 12:04pm PT
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I'm announcing my entry into the the race.
Nature/Jaybro 2012
Cheap copycats!! JOHNNYCOMELATELYWANNABES!!
Not even endorsed by any dead indians!
Trying to buy votes with raw fish....and who wants to die in a wide crack?
Ok, maybe Hartouni and a couple others, but if you go climbing with that dude he'll make your head hurt and you'll feel like an idiot at the same time. He just puts his big brain in the wide, it's kinda like cheating...
You can't come close to all the free weed and obscure music that Survival/Leary will be throwing down at the acid tests.
Plus we only climb reasonably sized cracks and the occasional slab, and gentlemanly face with nice positive edges.
Freekin' sic my supremely underfunded superpac on your sorry asses.
But you can have an important post in my administration if you walk now....
Survival/Tim Leary 2012
Endorsed by Timid Toprope and Manuelito
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apogee
climber
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Feb 16, 2012 - 12:32pm PT
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"The witch would fizzle and melt away, her power gone."
The only 'power' that Lois (or any other ST troll) has is the power that too many people give her here at ST.
Stop feeding the trolls, and they go away. =
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Feb 16, 2012 - 12:39pm PT
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I know Bob, feeding the beast indeed, but I can't resist my own curiosity. Imagine: meeting the narcissus loci in person. I mean, think about it. She thinks I created a ghost account in order to "extoll my virtues" to her anonymously? She atually imagines, after all these years, I care what she thinks? Or that my virtues need extolling? Does she ever atually even glance at the climbing threads? And are we to believe this specimen, this Daliesque Rubik's Cube character, dispenses advice on mental health issues and suggests appropriate medications?
Call me crazy (well, no call her crazy), but I'm still expecting to meet a 15-year-old pimply faced kid who banged out a typo when Googling "Superpoopo!"
I've always been fascinated by cultural geography, anthropology, and the like. This is going to be like making first contact with a lost Amazonian tribe.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Feb 16, 2012 - 12:41pm PT
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By the time this thread hits 3000, one of you will probably be banned, partly for something you posted in this thread.
Or not. but maybe
PEace
Karl
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 16, 2012 - 12:43pm PT
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Nature/Jaybro 2012
endorsed by Black Elk
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Feb 16, 2012 - 12:50pm PT
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Black Elk was a white guy with Al Jolson paint on.....
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 16, 2012 - 12:54pm PT
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but he spoke!
can't wait to get to Terrapin...
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Feb 16, 2012 - 01:14pm PT
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can't wait to get to Terrapin...
Me too man.
Counting stars by candlelight, all are dim but one is bright
The spiral light of venus rising first and shining best.
Oh from the northwest corner, of a brand new crescent moon,
while crickets and cicadas sing, a rare and different tune....
Terrapin Station!
Some rise...
Some fall....
Some climb......
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 16, 2012 - 01:32pm PT
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thanks Locker! I'll be good! we must respect our uberlord, Silent one!
though,
I can't figure out,
if it's the end
or beginning
I'm in, Brandon! Problem is, Sully is too smart for me. I had to look up her word and so, feel disqualified to answer. Where is Scuffy? He probably knows that one off the top of his head.
Wow, even Rox has a worthwhile contribution! [Edit;Unless Reilly is right, ewww!]
-well, till he started talking again....
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Feb 16, 2012 - 01:38pm PT
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I had to retract my last comment.
I saw Survivals quote but was thinking it was Jaybro's.
My bad.
Nice quote Bruce.
Jaybro, let's fire up that thread!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 16, 2012 - 01:45pm PT
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She is prolly under 18 so don't be surprised if you get a knock on yer door.
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apogee
climber
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Feb 16, 2012 - 01:55pm PT
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Yeah, well, in this culture, posting pics like that of a minor will get you some time in the pokey (not to mention the ST boot). Might want to consider that, Rox. We like you around here.
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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Feb 16, 2012 - 02:19pm PT
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I would not classify Roxj picture as porn, it's quite beautiful.
IMO, nothing along the line of crap.. you and ihp post-up.
I also appreciate the beauty of apogee's coffee woman.
1400...cool, yeah, out of the 1300's.....
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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Feb 16, 2012 - 02:34pm PT
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By the strange pornography standards being suggested, there were sure a lot of National Geographic porn issues.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Feb 16, 2012 - 02:36pm PT
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I'll vote for Jaybro/Nature, or is it Nature/Jaybro?
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 16, 2012 - 02:57pm PT
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I'll vote for Jaybro/Nature, or is it Nature/Jaybro?
We will decide once we get the full nomination.
Nature/Jaybro 2012
Endorsed by Hanuman
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scuffy b
climber
heading slowly NNW
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Feb 16, 2012 - 03:08pm PT
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What word, Jay?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Feb 16, 2012 - 03:09pm PT
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ocker/X Pond Scum 2012
~~~ endorsed by Steve W.
?
Locker, when did we pick up this endorsement?
And WHO is Steve W. and what do we REALLY know about him?
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Feb 16, 2012 - 03:24pm PT
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Nature
You guys need the FISH endorsement!!!!
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Feb 16, 2012 - 03:24pm PT
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Several hundred posts ago I officially declared this thread to be the all time Fastest to 1000™, and someone in the peanut gallery had the gall to heckle Nature by suggesting it should knott count as he had "posted 100 times" (or words to that effect). Even if you removed all of Nature's posts up to the point it reached 1000, this thread still beats all other contenders by an order of magnitude.
Someone mentioned the Any hot Guys Around Here? thread. I went and checked, and it took 7 days (vs 3 for this one). Now if you removed PTC's co-conspirator Matt's hundreds upon hundreds of machine gun style posts under myriad user-names (banned again and again), that thread wouldn't have even gone anywhere near 1000 before the Boob Baring Bimbo™ deleted it and ran with her tail between her legs...
So there!
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 16, 2012 - 03:26pm PT
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pinko commies with a Fish endorsement?
I have dropped a couple G on his goods but....
Edit: HK - that would be Chaz. And at the time I had 70 posts. None with the intent of adding to the count. And far be it from me to post in my own OP. dude needs to go fly a kite!
BBB™ - classic!
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 16, 2012 - 03:29pm PT
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surely we can get the hanuman endorsement?
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 16, 2012 - 03:35pm PT
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good point! I'll ask.
Done!
endorsed by a monkey.... i'm thinking LANDSLIDE!
Nature/Jaybro 2012
Endorsed by Hanuman
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Feb 16, 2012 - 04:42pm PT
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I thought the "post in own" to bump was referring to PTC in THAT thread, not Nature, here. Pretty sure that was the case.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Feb 16, 2012 - 06:14pm PT
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From
The user formerly known as stzzo
Feb 10, 2012 - 02:16pm PT
“To me, ST is a source of entertainment, so to speak. Call it a campfire or whatever. I don't personally care that much about the climbing / non-climbing ratio, because I don't personally talk that much about climbing. Yeah, I do it -- some... not as much as the hard-core elite, but as much as I can finagle. I just don't talk about it.”
Pretty much my sentiments, Stzzo. I still climb, leading VS/HVS – 5.6-5.9 – not as intense as I used to be, and I do boulder up in Dalkey Quarry (five-minute walk from the front door, so why not), when the weather is nice (not always in Ireland).
I do not think that I have posted a TR since joining the Taco Stand in July 2005. But I have participated in a number of climbing (and of course, non-climbing) threads, since I still climb (as previously mentioned, not at the level I used to) (started in 1969 – Mt Diablo then the Valley and the Sierra and some beyond).
Being a writer and climber. I always wanted to be a regular contributor to Summit, Mountain, Off Belay, Rock & Ice, and others but either a workload or procrastination (which I am very good at) never saw such articles materialize, and anyway, I was not at the cutting edge in climbing where an editor would say to themselves, “Hey, this guy has sent in a good Trip Report”, about a new climb, FFA or such.
As I have mentioned I have met Jeff, and on several occasions, for example, coming home for my mom’s funeral, when he offered to pick me up at SFO and give me a lift to Creektown.
Yes, he got a bit (understatement?) repetitive, and we don’t really share similar ideologies, as such. And I agree with several posters that it was an internet forum personality, a lot of times to pat his own back, spout anti-Islam stuff, and to ‘buff’ himself up. But I wonder if there may be a couple of “embellishments” on my CV. And I have bragged occasionally, mainly about my journalism and acting (or are those actually embellishments?).
LEB/Lois has given me some good advice via emails regarding health issues and career.
I have argued with Skippy (though I was never mean, I think), but got tired of it, and while he was OTT much of the time, he occasionally had some decent posts.
Wes. What did he do? I don't think he is/was that bad. I always liked his posts, for the most part, probably because I think we have similar ideologies.
As for FortMental, I really have not read many of his posts to really formulate an opinion.
Am I missing anybody?
I do not visit or contribute to the forum as much as I used to.
I say, live and let live. Most of the forum is decent. If there is something OTT, then as a "community" we should raise the issue/matter in a mature manner.
I have already given my two cents on this thread, so please allow me three cents.
(I would have written a shorter post, but I did not have time.)
EDIT
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1747712/3-Goals-for-SuperTopo-Forum-in-2012-what-are-yours-Video
IMHO, a very good presentation. And it gives me a better insight into ChrisMac, Supertopo, etc.
Hey Kevin, CM's remarking about not looking at the camera, it is the case, generally, (being a professionally trained actor with a degree in communication arts, and I hope I am not being self-aggrandizing), for the most part in drama on film, one never looks at camera, whereas in newscasts/documentaries/etc, one does direct their eyes to the audience, so to speak. Anyway, I for one appreciate the posters like you, Donini, BVB, and others posters. How's the climbing? Stoner's Highway is still one of my favorite climbs that you and others put up.
Tradmanclimbs (AKA as Dean Wormer, ha,ha), double secret probation! I still laugh at that line, even after having seen it a number of times.
Dean Vernon Wormer: Greg, what is the worst fraternity on this campus?
Greg Marmalard: Well that would be hard to say, sir. They're each outstanding in their own way.
Dean Vernon Wormer: Cut the horsesh#t, son. I've got their disciplinary files right here. Who dropped a whole truckload of fizzies into the varsity swim meet? Who delivered the medical school cadavers to the alumni dinner? Every Halloween, the trees are filled with underwear. Every spring, the toilets explode.
Greg Marmalard: You're talking about Delta, sir.
Dean Vernon Wormer: Of course I'm talking about Delta, you TWERP!
Greg Marmalard: But Delta's already on probation.
Dean Vernon Wormer: They are? Well, as of this moment, they're on DOUBLE SECRET PROBATION!
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Feb 16, 2012 - 07:12pm PT
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endorsed by Black Elk
Good enough for me. I recall back when I first started climbing, reading in some climbing mag or guide or something (we all devoured every book and mag about climbing we could find) that Kauk had read that (Black Elk Speaks) at the belays on Iron Hawk. Went to the library and got a copy the next day. Great book.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Feb 16, 2012 - 07:42pm PT
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"Hey, it's not my forum, but I enjoy hearing from the Guidos and Hartounis and Hennys and Pat Aments and Duecys and Long Agos and (egads) Ron Amicks and the BBA's of our little guppy pond, so I'll stick around. Plus I realy wanna meet some of these new mutant Woodson crucherz."
Amen to that. Occasionally I am in correspondence with Guido/Joe, appreciate The Warbler, one of the nicest climbers I have enjoyed the company of (and Kauk too), Werner's expertise on SARs... heck there are so many pluses and positives about the Taco Stand, nowadays I rarely let the negatives turn me off. I just turn them off.
BTW, I wrote some of the above without seeing about 1/3 or so comments later on. If I have been repetitive, i.e., the link to ChrisMac's video, my apologies.
PS (that's me, not NB, get it? Okay, maybe NB - Nota Bene - is more of an "Eastern Atlantic" thing). I am not trying to be clever, and if I was, I probably failed.
EDIT
“What about all the other stupid threads(sic)”, writes Dr F.
Yeah, the one I always found weird was something like (the ThreadHead© that is) toilet paper, folded or winkled” or something like that. I never gave that topic much thought before, and haven’t since.
Jaysus, the Hippo Fart video… I can’t stop laughing, it hurts actually.
Yeah, apparently hippos are more responsible for human deaths in Africa than crocs, lions, elephants, snakes… oh wait, the last bit I mean the reptiles, not the humans/dictators/wars, etc… (now, now, I am not going political on this thread).
Happy climbing folks.
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dipper
climber
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Feb 16, 2012 - 09:20pm PT
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Locker,
Any chance of you posting every fifth post that comes into your mind?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Feb 16, 2012 - 10:34pm PT
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Locker...Keep your nose out of other peoples backsides...! RJ
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Feb 17, 2012 - 12:03am PT
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Yeah Locker, getchernoseouttamyass.
Survival/Tim Leary 2012
Endorsed by Buffalo Hump and Tecumseh
Free weed at the koolaid test for everyone that votes twice to put down these poseurs!!
The Liberal One.
Leader of the Free Navajo/Gwichin Nation.
Bringer of truth and light.
Working hard for the Nobel Peace Prize by playing stinky guitar notes for FREEDOM!!
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Feb 17, 2012 - 12:24am PT
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DOOODZES!!
tHIS THREAD IS STAGGERING LIKE A
washed-up drunk.
Even Locker seems bored!
Is this jest too crazy for yew???
Every thread lives a life.
YEWE got something else to give???
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Feb 17, 2012 - 02:33am PT
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cosmic, did you break into the landlords house to use the computer?
call the cops, no wait, there are no cops,
it's a free for all!
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Feb 17, 2012 - 03:24am PT
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Dipper: Locker, Any chance of you posting every fifth post that comes into your mind?
What makes you think his posts pass through his mind first?
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Feb 17, 2012 - 03:28am PT
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Bedtime postcount+++. There, I've done my duty. It's up to you guys now.
~The Random One
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Feb 17, 2012 - 03:49am PT
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don't go to sleep or i'll set your shoe laces on fire,
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Feb 17, 2012 - 01:35pm PT
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Jeff seized upon my back pain problem and had great fun calling me a drug addict.
Jun 10, 2011 - 05:54pm PT
Norton,
Isn't it time for you to go shoot up????
Bwahahahahahahahaha
The evil one
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 17, 2012 - 01:43pm PT
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Norton, that was bad. But you have the new Triumph so you win!
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euro-brief-guy
Boulder climber
Auburn, ca
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Feb 17, 2012 - 02:06pm PT
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Yeah! now it's a legitimate circle jerk. Kick ass!!!!!1111166666
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Feb 17, 2012 - 02:10pm PT
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Norton,
If Jeff stays away (voluntarily or otherwise) I think you and I should combine on a ticket. I figure we can either get everyone's vote or, more likely, between the two of us, we can manage to give every other poster on ST something with which to disagree.
Either way, we'll have fun!
John
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jstan
climber
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Feb 17, 2012 - 02:14pm PT
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I could go for that ticket.
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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Feb 17, 2012 - 05:43pm PT
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Captain!!!
Scanners detect Fattrad is out there but we can't get a lock on him.
>
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Feb 17, 2012 - 06:57pm PT
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Do you think fatty reads this thread.
Do you think he's wanted to comment to it?
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 17, 2012 - 07:02pm PT
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Is the bear catholic?
Does the pope sh#t in the woods?
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Feb 17, 2012 - 07:38pm PT
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Finally, he'll have a "certificate" worth spraying about!
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 17, 2012 - 07:55pm PT
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Ha ha!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 17, 2012 - 08:28pm PT
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this thread is pathetic now...
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 17, 2012 - 08:56pm PT
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This thread is the Houswives of SuperTopo ......
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Feb 18, 2012 - 12:01am PT
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How wrong can fatty be on everything?
[Click to View YouTube Video]
this thread is pathetic now...
And we all had a hand in it...
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nature
climber
CO
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 2, 2012 - 08:42pm PT
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oh well... the party has to end some time.
So long as I don't wake up with a hangover and find LEBtard was allowed back.
and if skipt is somehow allowed back It'll be like I'm hungover and pregnant.
welcome back fatty. learn anything about behaving?
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nature
climber
CO
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 2, 2012 - 08:46pm PT
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I didn't think so.
What's the over/under on how long you last?
I'll take the under for $100.
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WBraun
climber
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Word on the street says Lois & skipt are coming back to terrorize.
SuperTopo people will be jumping off cliffs to the turf.
It will be mayhem.
Dr F will commit suicide by swallowing cactus.
It's all over, Armageddon.
You're all toast .....
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Heyzeus
climber
Hollywood,Ca
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Wasn't Skipt a Fattrad avatar?
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jstan
climber
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We finally have proof.
Resurrection!
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dirtbag
climber
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Fatty...
Welcome back!
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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I for one would like to hear more about your planned "revenge" and how you gave CM and Rox name to the cops when your office was burglarized.
FWIW, I am betting that he is back up to 40 or 50 OT intentionally inflammatory posts a day in no time. I am very sad to see Fatty back, but that might just be me.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Looks like Fatty has his hand on a ding dong...? RJ
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Although I very rarely post to political threads, they can be a good source of diverse points of view.
Which is why I, for one, missed Fattrad. Welcome back.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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FWIW, I am betting that he is back up to 40 or 50 OT intentionally inflammatory posts a day in no time. I am very sad to see Fatty back, but that might just be me.
you are not alone
I have gotten four emails from people privately saying he should stay banned
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adatesman
climber
philadelphia, pa
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+1 on that. nothing against Fatty personally as I don't know him, but the endless trolling was (more than) tiresome.
EDIT: then again, I just now see Rox is gone, so perhaps a wash. Welcome back Fatty and I hope you're on the trolling 12step.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Welcome back Jeff. I'm sure you will be busy at the upcoming Aipac meeting with the President, but come back soon.
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nature
climber
CO
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 2, 2012 - 11:25pm PT
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yeah, let the name dropping resume.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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yeah, let the name dropping resume.
NO!
for awhile it was sort of funny. he'd drop the name of someone he'd bought time with and then they'd get indicted. it was like the sports illustrated or wheaties curse but for second tier republican politics. which republican will fattrad destroy next?
but then he dropped chris cox's jock, and international finance capitalism frickin collapsed.
fat trad almost brought down capitalism single-handed. i don't believe any of us want to repeat that.
no wrath of khan for me.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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guess who, on principle, couldn't care less?
Hope this has been a learning process (as if that's possible, likely or even needed)
Someone once said that facsists getting the axe was "all about" me… anybody got a line on that?
Edit Edit:
Today CMac opened up a thread on how to format a thread for Bobby Model's Mom to the board….
Got me curios…
I searched Bobby Model… found something like 1050 posts or occurrences, whatever…
Skimmed the first page then leapt to the back… first mention of the name is on the Todd Skinner / Leaning Tower thread.
Not to toot my own horn… but checking out up thread I noticed that Jingy had posted something.
(Truth be told, I'm always afraid of writting something that I may consider bad or ill meaning later on…. with that in mind, I read)
Oct 27, 2006 - 01:52pm PT
His memory will live on, that is for sure.
In reading through some of the posts here, I envy many of you who have had the opportunity to meet, talk to, that got to know the man. I only have memories from some of them old videos he was in, and your stories here on ST.
I want to thank the community for entering into the record, if only for a short while, the memories that made this man so special.
With that said, I'd like to offer up a challenge:
Attempt, in your everyday life, to be as great as you possibly can in all endeavors. Be as genuine as can be. While at the same time recognizing and acknowledging those traits in those around you.
If we all strive to this end... We too may be blessed with as recognized and noticed a life as that of Todd Skinner.
I mean... Wouldn't we all like to be remembered with such reverence as this?
Todd's memory lives on.
Still feels that what I wrote then is true today.
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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May 10, 2012 - 10:37am PT
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As I predicted, Fatty has not changed a bit. 47 posts yesterday, many with intentionally inflammatory BS and not a single bit of climbing related information. He continues to be an annoying little man that uses this site as a tool to inflate his ego and further his delusions. So much for altering his behavior after being banned...
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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May 10, 2012 - 11:19am PT
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Actually I did post a climbing photo yesterday.
Fats I checked you have NO pic posted.
You know it is OK to tell the truth on non political threads.
Try it it is very refreshing. Better than donuts and bismarks.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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May 10, 2012 - 11:34am PT
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but that is the view of someone who has been there, done that and that's ME, not you
Jeff, I presume it means you were never in Kelly Thomas' place.
Welcome back anyway. You often remind me that my political and social beliefs are indeed rational and mostly humanistic.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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May 10, 2012 - 11:39am PT
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Fattrad;
Zero trip reports
Zero photos
32,000+ posts
In that plethora how many posts were non-political?
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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May 10, 2012 - 11:45am PT
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All I did was refer to your profile page. Nothing there but hot air.
I even searched the Trip Reports. NADA.
Look for yourself.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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May 10, 2012 - 12:50pm PT
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Zero photos Philo,
well I don't know why his profile would show nothing at all. That's nonsense.
I can tell you that I've seen his reserve doughnut eater coat pic many times without researching anything.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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May 10, 2012 - 12:54pm PT
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well I don't know why his profile would show nothing at all. That's nonsense.
He didn't post the trip report under trip reports. That is why it doesn't show in that category. He might have called it a trip report, but he didn't post it in the trip report section.
You can still post photos from things like photo bucket. Those photos won't show up because they aren't stored on the forums server.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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May 10, 2012 - 12:55pm PT
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Got it. Thanks.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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May 10, 2012 - 04:28pm PT
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As I predicted, Fatty has not changed a bit. 47 posts yesterday”
It just because he is out of the loop or not in it.
Hey! Fattie now that I have your attention: remember last year I posted in “ Bin Laden’s Dead” May 13 2011 “Could be he encrypted messages in photos Fatty. He would have used this software or similar” with the photo of one program. go back and look.
Al-Qaeda uses steganography - documents hidden in porn videos found on memory stick
02 May 2012 Source: ISE
Steganography is the science of hiding data. Its most common digital use is to hide data within graphics – text hidden in a picture. Al-Qaeda apparently hid documents within porn videos on a memory stick.
Maqsood Lodin, a 22-year-old Austrian, is on trial in Germany. It now emerges that when stopped and questioned by Berlin police almost exactly one year ago (16 May 2011, after traveling to Berlin from Pakistan via Hungary) he was found to have a memory stick hidden in his underpants. The memory stick contained two porn videos; but the porn videos were hiding around 100 documents believed to include al-Qaeda training manuals and operational details.
The basis for most of the current reports comes from CNN, which takes its source from an article in Die Zeit. The Die Zeit article is not currently online. However, the investigative journalist author of the article, Yassin Musharbash, has published an English-language summary of his findings, on his own blog. He discusses some of the details found in the recovered documents and whether they are genuine: how effective western intelligence has been in disrupting al-Qaeda operations, how suspected operatives should draw attention away from active plotters, and how concerned the leadership had become at the failure to deliver new attacks.
The documents of most interest, he says, are “Lessons learned from past operations – Reports on three past operations (7/7 London; 21/7 London (sic!); Airliner Plot) – a sketch for a terror campaign in the West.”
The current reports are all concerned with the politics of the situation.
Sadly, no details are given on the technology: how were the files hidden; were they encrypted as well as hidden; how were they discovered and extracted? We have to surmise. Infosecurity asked RandomStorm’s security researcher Robin Wood to explain the concepts and methods behind steganography. “It can take many forms,” he said, “from simply hiding the information in clear text (that is, unencrypted) in unused portions of a host file, to encrypting the data and then actually modifying the contents of the host file.” We can assume that the latter more complicated approach was used in this case. But how?
“For storing in images,” says Wood, “what you can do is to encode the data in the least significant bit of a range of pixels. What you end up with is a slightly different image; but as it is the least significant bit, the color is changed so insignificantly that a viewer won't notice. Exactly the same can be done with video, changing areas where humans won't notice the almost insignificant change. And as video is a much denser file format – sound, image, transitions etc – there is much more capacity to hide the data.”
It would seem, however, that steganography is not too difficult to detect once it is suspected. “Retrieving the data depends on how it was hidden,” Wood told Infosecurity. “Most file formats have a recognizable footprint, so using tools which can look for that footprint in other files you can easily pull out data which has been just been added to an unused portion.” In this part, steganography is more akin to obfuscation than serious security. However, added Wood, “If the data has been encrypted and mixed in with the host data then it is harder – but there are other tools that use various techniques to spot content.”
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