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nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Original Post - Feb 9, 2012 - 07:15pm PT
http://www.supertopo.com/inc/view_profile.php?dcid=ODozPDs_PCA,


what took so long?
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Feb 9, 2012 - 07:18pm PT
I checked his new ID (The Tool) and that one is gone as well.

WTF?
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Feb 9, 2012 - 07:18pm PT
Weschrist got nuked too.
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2012 - 07:20pm PT
sure enough!

http://www.supertopo.com/inc/view_profile.php?dcid=Oz4zND44PCM,
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2012 - 07:20pm PT
Is MTucker next?
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Feb 9, 2012 - 07:22pm PT
Wes's nuking was partially my fault, though I claim no responsibility.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 9, 2012 - 07:25pm PT
Fort Mental also
TripL7

Trad climber
san diego
Feb 9, 2012 - 07:25pm PT
thaDood, also got nuked!!
Prod

Trad climber
Feb 9, 2012 - 07:26pm PT
What'd they do?

Prod.
nutjob

Gym climber
Berkeley, CA
Feb 9, 2012 - 07:26pm PT
Wow, is there a new sheriff in town? Is there an administrative effort to kill political threads or were there some crossing-the-line behaviors?
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Feb 9, 2012 - 07:27pm PT
what took so long?

Why would you say that? Just because you disagreed with him ideologically?

He was never obscene like Wes and Fort Mental.

EDIT: Eric, I know Fort Mental was posting relentless pics of LEB with a penis on her head (in typical childish fashion).
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Feb 9, 2012 - 07:29pm PT
Feb 9, 2012 - 04:26pm PT
What'd they do?

Prod.

As far as Wes is concerned, nothing too bad. A mildly questionable photo.

Not sure what thread it was on.
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2012 - 07:29pm PT
One thing I would say... it's probably not a good idea to be a total dick in a thread that CMac started.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Feb 9, 2012 - 07:30pm PT
Regarding which nuked poster, Nature?

I enjoyed reading Wes's science posts.
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Feb 9, 2012 - 07:31pm PT
Well....when a person's primary motive for posting is to antagonize, and doesn't have the decency to even make it climbing-related - what can they expect, really?

I like Fatty in person. But I just do not understand why he cannot seem to NOT post those "I'm connected" or "I can get you tooled" comments each and every frigging time he posts! Why not post genuine comments from your own damned heart?

I do NOT get the "troll as a personna" stance, and frankly - if that is the seemingly sole reason for existence, the site is better off without it.



It might be a good thing, if people are being deleted for paeticular behaviors which have been accepted over the years, for the admin to post a "This is the shite that will get you canned" and give people a chance to STFU with the content that is not wanted.


I have heard quite a few climbers don't come to Supertopo anymore because of the BS, but never saw it with my own eyes. But the other day - I did see a comment, from a person who would be VERY much desired for the stories and experience they could share here - who said they stay away because of the BS.
Gene

climber
Feb 9, 2012 - 07:36pm PT
Fattrad is getting water boarded at Gitmo.

Should I post that to the karma thread?

g
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Feb 9, 2012 - 07:38pm PT
Did not agree with fatty politicaly but he was not to my knowlege a stalker or offensive poster other than stupid stuff.
Gene

climber
Feb 9, 2012 - 07:40pm PT
Gene just posted and when I went and checked his profile I was surprised to see that he too has just been deleted...

Damn! I miss that guy already.

X
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2012 - 07:42pm PT
Regarding which nuked poster, Nature?


fattrad


Fattrad is getting water boarded at Gitmo.

Should I post that to the karma thread?

you'd make a believer out of Dr.F!
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Feb 9, 2012 - 07:43pm PT
Given the recent spring cleaning, I can only assume that the admins see Locker as their puppy who pees on the rug, as they look away.

Love 'ya Locker, but you put some questionable pictures up pretty regularly.

Edit; Admins, don't tase me bros!
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Feb 9, 2012 - 07:43pm PT
The question I would then ask is WHERE exactly does that person post if he or she posts at all???...

Locker - this is a person you would probably kowtow with "just kidding, man" if you were at a campfire and made that comment, only to turn around and see him a few feet away.

Not everyone uses the climbing discussion forums to post garbage and while away the hours(like myself). Some people really do want to post creative writings/trip reports/images, talk about clmbing-related topics, even poop stories fit that theme. But when one or two people get in a thread and hijack it with inflammatory trash - it isn't really funny, except to others who....forums to post garbage and while away the hours(like myself).

nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2012 - 07:44pm PT
my guess is fatty will be back. he's been given a time out. put in the dunce corner with a hat on. he'll be peeing on carpets again in no time.
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Feb 9, 2012 - 07:45pm PT
It would be easy to kill the political stuff just burry it in a seperate forum. neclimbs has a forun calling Climbing Not. very little to no action there.. Rc.noob is the same way with the political stuff burried in a forun that you may choose to go to but can stay away easily..
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Feb 9, 2012 - 07:46pm PT
Sh#t, now I'm nuked for calling Locker a puppy.
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2012 - 07:47pm PT
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1742457&msg=1743006#msg1743006

I'd never get deactivated. Whack-o-moles love sushi too much.
Dos XX

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Feb 9, 2012 - 07:48pm PT
If Werner goes, we're doomed :-(
jstan

climber
Feb 9, 2012 - 07:48pm PT
While I cannot test the notion that ST has been hacked, I doubt it. Why would anyone bother?

But, if you will, note that individuals apparently disabled have all been posting out of character of late. Jeff never used to post like he has recently. Nor have FM or Wes. All, frankly, valuable contributors.

Chris is trying to send a message.

Edit:
Locker's being banned is like Janet Jackson's wardrobe malfunction.

A good time is had by all.
WBraun

climber
Feb 9, 2012 - 07:49pm PT
Google search engine see's everything here.

Chris probably wants a cleaner more respectable site.

Lot of stuff is so stupid here.

The wild west and animal farm can only last so long ......


TripL7

Trad climber
san diego
Feb 9, 2012 - 07:49pm PT
I think Locker is an undie-cover dood!

edit: "wild west" Yeah, I think it was a good move in general.
Dos XX

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Feb 9, 2012 - 07:49pm PT
Werner :-)
Gene

climber
Feb 9, 2012 - 07:51pm PT
I think Fatty got the TV adventure junkies series gig and is now too good for us.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Feb 9, 2012 - 07:51pm PT
Testing.

;^) Lolz.
Dos XX

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Feb 9, 2012 - 07:52pm PT
I was worried that Jeff was abducted by the Mossad, but I see it's just a fairly deep purge.
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Feb 9, 2012 - 07:52pm PT
The great purge.

nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2012 - 07:52pm PT
*tap* *tap*

can you hear me now?


crap.
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2012 - 07:54pm PT
sadly... yes

http://www.supertopo.com/inc/view_profile.php?dcid=ODM8NTo8OCc,

she might be antagonistic and dense and spew way more than 90% of all the climbers on this site combined but I've yet to see her call anyone a name.

fattrad's name calling schtick has been going on for far too long. he's whole angle is over played and lame. even I started calling him out on it
Gene

climber
Feb 9, 2012 - 07:55pm PT
Nature,

It's only Thursday. The week is still young.

g
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2012 - 07:56pm PT
LMAO!

wait until friday and CMac has a beer in hand.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Feb 9, 2012 - 07:57pm PT
So let me get this straight,

Skipt attacks JStan, who is probably the most genial poster of all and an icon within the community with the following:

"Early signs of dementia....Did they teach you critical thinking in math school?...Are you just stupid? Or, maybe an old man jacks off to pics of women with penis' coming out of their head.

You use selective reading, Jstan. And, it isn't pretty.

BTW, Name the president in office when the war in Vietnam ended.

You are clueless, Mr. Alzheimer."

And that is acceptable? Yet these other people are booted? Starting to rethink why I'm here at all.


michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
Feb 9, 2012 - 07:58pm PT
Climbing forum -

Not a talk about how everyone who isn't a cop should be tased because it's the officers safety in jeopardy every time they speak / look at them funny.

Wonder what Fattrad is going to do now? Climb?
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2012 - 07:59pm PT
Elcapinyoazz - maybe the powers that be missed that. but I agree... skipt needed to be nuked for good long ago.


I'm sure if C-Mac saw that post, the banning would knott be skipt..
nutjob

Gym climber
Berkeley, CA
Feb 9, 2012 - 08:02pm PT
Khanom, don't give up on TRs dude, "be the change you want to see in the world"
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2012 - 08:02pm PT
neebee is next!
jstan

climber
Feb 9, 2012 - 08:02pm PT
All my years have led me to believe that being kind is probably a good way to live. It does not always work but hey. It ain't a rose garden.

Edit:
can't get a girl

I met Jeff's friend at Facelift. Top drawer. Definitely top drawer.

(For those of us who may be experience challenged - top drawer is where the single malt is kept. Nothing more need be said.)
squishy

Mountain climber
Feb 9, 2012 - 08:07pm PT
Those others guys I don't know much about, except they also had issues on SP, but fatty was is staple around here, give him a time out and good slap but let him back in...I hate the guy, but the taco needs'm..I mean who else can take such criticism? He's fat, bald, can't climb, can't get a girl...now you're gonna boot him from the taco? Sh#t, you may have just killed him...I bet he would listen to Cheney, try to get a hold of Cheney and have Cheney slap fatties ass around...
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Feb 9, 2012 - 08:11pm PT
Elcapinyoazz - you have a link to that vile post you quoted? That's beyond horrible.

Edit: Found it.
WBraun

climber
Feb 9, 2012 - 08:13pm PT
Elcapinyoazz was the author of that Hardman?

Nope I'm wrong ....
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2012 - 08:14pm PT
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1641723&msg=1745189#msg1745189
Gene

climber
Feb 9, 2012 - 08:15pm PT
skipt has been booted.

http://www.supertopo.com/inc/view_profile.php?dcid=OD4yPDQ5PSQ,
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2012 - 08:16pm PT
little birdie already told CMac.... yowza!
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Feb 9, 2012 - 08:19pm PT
I don't really wish negativity upon anyone but if I did, Skipt would be on top of the ST list. The guy is hateful in almost every post I've read.
Gene

climber
Feb 9, 2012 - 08:19pm PT
thaDood went yesterday or the day before.
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2012 - 08:20pm PT
Brandon - agreed
jstan

climber
Feb 9, 2012 - 08:25pm PT
This is all happening real time. Perhaps it's also time for us to think about what is really important to us


and what is not so important.

It is all about

us.
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Feb 9, 2012 - 08:28pm PT
It's going to be nice and calm around here this weekend.


We still have that goofball Locker.


and ElCapInYoAzz to inform us how wrong we are.


That should be spicy enough for now.
Gene

climber
Feb 9, 2012 - 08:28pm PT
Fattrad in real life is SO much different from the Fattrad the poster. I wish him well.

g
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Feb 9, 2012 - 08:30pm PT
I have nothing but nice things to say about ThaDood.

I hit a speed bump over the holidays and he got in touch with me, just checking in to make sure everything was cool on my end.

I'm grateful for that beyond words, though I can't speak for any other aspects of his ST participation, as I'm not familiar with them.
monolith

climber
albany,ca
Feb 9, 2012 - 08:32pm PT
Nice catch there ElCap. Skipt has been obsessing over JStan for a couple of years now, particularly in the Creationists Run To The Dugout thread. It finally caught up with him. Anybody understand what his problem really was with JStan?
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Feb 9, 2012 - 08:36pm PT
If all these foks are getting banned for real it would be nice of Chris to give us a heads up and let us know what the deal is?
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Feb 9, 2012 - 08:38pm PT
Where does Roxjox fit into this shakedown?
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2012 - 08:41pm PT
http://www.supertopo.com/inc/view_profile.php?dcid=ODM4PD8_OyU,


Rox is a bit out of control at times but rarely does he straight-up insult. Certainly he's never posted anything near what skipt posted.
jstan

climber
Feb 9, 2012 - 08:42pm PT
Nice catch there ElCap. Skipt has been obsessing over JStan for a couple of years now, particularly in the Creationists Run To The Dugout thread. It finally caught up with him. Anybody understand what his problem really was with JStan?

Careful now! Jstan is not a fundamental datum. Something to be counted upon. Each of us has to maintain their own base.

I tried to work with Skip. Clumsily perhaps, but still. It is not yet clear that it did not work. Have patience. People require patience.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 9, 2012 - 08:42pm PT
I take back everything I said on the Flamer or the Year thread! Really!


Except about Swedes and their Surströmming.
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Feb 9, 2012 - 08:42pm PT
Imagine if you ran this site. Think of the constant stream of crap you would get. "He said this. She said that. "

When the whole idea of the forum is to get people onto the site to sell a few more guide books and hopefully put some food on the table.

I don't think he ever planned that this forum would become the international melt-down point for climbers on this world.




I don't blame him one bit. Might just be an interesting experiment to see what happens.
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2012 - 08:43pm PT
my guess is some of these folks will be given a time out.

it would be a good idea to observe said timeout.

Skipts post deserves a permanent banning in my opinion (which doesn't really count).

it's probably a bad idea to not take the banning seriously. creating a new account (TheTool) and continuing with the same vitriol is not the way to get let out of the dunce corner.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Feb 9, 2012 - 08:43pm PT
True, Rox's rants are usually generally directed at 'Kalis' or wolves. Not so much on the personal attacks.

Edit;
I take back everything I said on the Flamer or the Year thread! Really!

Ha! Same here. I coulda been a contender...
jstan

climber
Feb 9, 2012 - 08:46pm PT
I don't think he ever planned that this forum would become the international melt-down point for climbers on this world.

I don't blame him one bit. Might just be an interesting experiment to see what happens.

We are seeing something here about Chris. He is not afraid to go for it. When he sees something that he thinks may be possible, he goes for it.

That's why I am here. That's the way it is with climbers.
Gene

climber
Feb 9, 2012 - 08:50pm PT
Keep rolling on, Chris.

WBraun

climber
Feb 9, 2012 - 08:51pm PT
That's right John.

Chris is really a smart guy.

I remember when they first started doing the topo's for making the books.

Wasn't it Todd Snyder ??? can't remember.
jstan

climber
Feb 9, 2012 - 08:56pm PT
Being heard.

Now isn't that an incredible feeling?









It's a gift each of us can give.

all the time
Prod

Trad climber
Feb 9, 2012 - 08:58pm PT
Maybe political threads will vanish next???

Prod.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Feb 9, 2012 - 09:05pm PT
100 posts in under two hours.

Edit; Locker, can we still talk about what we build?
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Feb 9, 2012 - 09:07pm PT
Skip was nothing but a rude little attack dog. You could feel the hate coming from him. I'm glad the POS is gone.

Bob
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2012 - 09:09pm PT
100 posts in under two hours.

sushifest posts fall of the front page in no time. This has been the stop story for two hours running. but it's not about me. really. it's not about me. ME!
jstan

climber
Feb 9, 2012 - 09:09pm PT
Hey! A "Climbers' Spring". I could get behind that.
jstan

climber
Feb 9, 2012 - 09:12pm PT
Locker's conflicted. Let's face it. That's the only way to be.
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2012 - 09:12pm PT
Cosmeek has not posted in this thread.

uh oh!

quick!

check his status STAT!
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Feb 9, 2012 - 09:16pm PT
FortMental booted? Oh man....he was one of the funnier people here. Great sense of humor.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Feb 9, 2012 - 09:18pm PT
Jeff's last post was in late afternoon on Monday, and now you're noticing and commenting on it? It's not like it was any secret, even his faux disguise as TheTool.

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1641723&msg=1743400#msg1743400

Anyway, I agree that some needed a time out or banishment, including those others have mentioned and who sometimes have now been deactivated. Often more so than Jeff, IMHO. Jeff sometimes has something to contribute - some of the others didn't.

The terms of service make it quite clear that management can do such things, and I support their having done it. Still, three or four time outs/banishments in one swell foop is something new, and it might help others to learn why. Pour encourager les autres, as one of Napoleon's marshals put it.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Feb 9, 2012 - 09:18pm PT
Where the hell is Lois?

She'll explain it all.

Honestly, I only post to political threads when I'm really bored. What I see there astounds me though. There are many people writing very concise, coherent thoughts and they are appreciated.

Then, there are the dozen or so people who hijack the rig just to argue. I get it, you're old, have some sort of ailment that keeps you grumpy and on the couch, and this is your outlet.

...no idea where I was going with this...

Oh yeah, a 'climbers spring'. Hijack the political threads with huge format photos of climbing, rendering the pages difficult to read. If it happens, I promise to never post to a political thread for any reason than to corrupt it.

RISE UP!!
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
Feb 9, 2012 - 09:18pm PT
skipt was a mean spirited nut, good riddance. Basically if I saw him on a thread I just closed it for good. Wes made me laugh sometimes, but could be pretty sharp. Fatty was seriously getting on my nerves to the point of either not logging in or giving him the greasemonkey script, the same meaningless posts thousands and thousands of times over on all threads. Nice guy in person though. I don't know much about front mental or whoever but his anti leb thing was really creepy.

I love the arbitrary whackings- keep them coming (even if it means me too).



Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Feb 9, 2012 - 09:21pm PT
I simply must post on this epic thread.

Personally, I'm thinking asteroids are falling across the PNW and NorCal and our Pro Israeli Socialist government is not allowing the main stream media to publish this fact.

If you need me, I'll be in the bunker trying to get Fox News on the skip.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Feb 9, 2012 - 09:23pm PT
Vellllly Intelllesting......but stlange.......
(apologies to Arte Johnson)

fattrad/Jeff spoke in non-sensical 10 word sound bites when he was on politics. I took him to task many times and I'm annoyed he didn't put me on the Socialist of the Year list. He loves to brag and often spews garbage just to be the center of attention. Yet I never saw him say or do anything really out of line. I presume no one took him seriously when he threatened to "tool" them.
He's been a generous supporter of Facelift. He's a decent guy to have a glass of wine or beer with. He's often offered to share his campsite in the Valley when some of his compatriots have bailed. I'd have taken him up on it if I'd been free.
And yes, he did get a "hot" chick. She's also a very nice person.

On a different thread I posted that I'd said enough on this topic. Yet here I am again.
Even though I've found weschrist offensive a few times, FortMental very occasionally nasty and out of line, and Skipt (among one or two others) vile nearly all the time, I'm very very opposed to censorship without at least a brief explanation of why these people were booted.
I've never met him but I believe CMac to be a decent guy. I'm assuming that a lot was going on in private communications between at least fattrad and someone(s) else and someone squealed to Chris. It still disturbs me to see censorship.

I look forward to hoisting a glass of ale with fattrad sometime soon.
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Feb 9, 2012 - 09:23pm PT
Karma only Kounts if you get Kaught!
Gene

climber
Feb 9, 2012 - 09:25pm PT
Dr. F should be banned for lack of reading comprehension and misattributing sources.
jstan

climber
Feb 9, 2012 - 09:27pm PT
We have been stuck in what is called a singularity. Arguing for no purpose, and without end. At least for a moment there has been a big bang.

All of that is gone, for the moment.

Enjoy the freedom.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Feb 9, 2012 - 09:27pm PT
In my opinion Fat's post were nothing but repetitive BS. The man needed and craved the attention...kinda sad when you really think about it. I spend some time with Jeff and thought very highly of him in person...his online persona I couldn't stomach.
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2012 - 09:30pm PT
Gene, I was basking in the glory that Dr.F gave me for all of five minutes until you came along. you should be banned for that!

QITNL - if that had anything to do with it you should feel no guilt. you made an observation without an apparent agenda.
jstan

climber
Feb 9, 2012 - 09:31pm PT
We have been stuck in what is called a singularity. Arguing for no purpose, and without end. At least for a moment there has been a big bang.

All of that is gone, for the moment.

Enjoy the freedom.
apogee

climber
Feb 9, 2012 - 09:38pm PT
Wow..skipt got the boot? Shocking, but completely understandable. That guy is destined for a 'Post Office' moment, any day now. His posts were 99.8% politi-hate, and rarely (if ever) climbing related.

FortMental? Funny, but his 'art' was over the line. Chia Pet genitalia and phallus-heads, posted over and over and over and over, targeting (stalking, really) the same person...no surprise he got the boot.

Wes? I don't know what line he crossed, but he did have a razor-sharp tongue (that was sometimes greatly appreciated)- that he might have said something that pushed the wrong button isn't too much of a surprise. I'll miss Wes...he contributed some good stuff.

fattrad is the biggest mystery- sure, his climbing exploits are minimal, but he supported ST (& Facelift, apparently) regularly. His propensity to target the same 3 people with 'you're a piece of crap' and 'you're a moron' memes grew tiresome about a year ago. Still, it has me scratching my head.

Here's to hoping we see Wes & fattrad back...soon.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 9, 2012 - 09:42pm PT
Phew, close one, Cosmic!

And that Part-time Commie better watch it or she'll get banned for inciting
a riot and giving Bluey a coronary.
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Feb 9, 2012 - 09:44pm PT
fatty definatly went downhill the last year or so. he used to be somewhat interesting and would actually discuss things in a decent way... yes he became repetitve and stupid but not sure where he was offensive like skipt? Wish chris would tell us what is up so we know what not to do?
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2012 - 09:45pm PT
I really think it was CMAC's thread
He wasn't into having sh#t piles laid all over it

go check out that thread and report back.

CMac doesn't pay much attention to other threads. his own however.... bad place to take a crap.
apogee

climber
Feb 9, 2012 - 09:46pm PT
"I really think it was CMAC's thread"

Is that the common thread to all 4 nukings? Were all of those guys contributing to that thread as is spiralled downward?
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2012 - 09:47pm PT
no, skipts nuking was clearly the vitriol directed at jstan. that's an easy one to see.
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2012 - 09:48pm PT
The difference between Donald and Skipt that I saw is Donald never got real ugly.

for the longest time I thought they were the same person. They both came off as being about as bright as an burned out incandescent at Russ Wallings house.
apogee

climber
Feb 9, 2012 - 09:50pm PT
Donald is nowhere near as unstable and angry as skipt. Sure, DT is annoyingly persistent, but he has never been anywhere close to the level of bi-polar instability that skipt regularly exhibited.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
Feb 9, 2012 - 09:55pm PT
Did the border collie guy get nuked? I need some advice on our border mutt, but was not sure if he was a real sane person and thus never asked. Pretty much if I saw him on a thread it was time to move on.

SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Feb 9, 2012 - 10:01pm PT

It's the coffee, boys!
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Feb 9, 2012 - 10:20pm PT
You boys do live dangerously - bannings are afoot and here you are cackling away like chatty zebras in lion land.
euro-brief-guy

Boulder climber
Auburn, ca
Feb 9, 2012 - 10:24pm PT
^^^^^^^^^agreed^^^^^^^^^^

There are waaaaaay bigger ass@holes on the taco than fattrad.
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Feb 9, 2012 - 10:37pm PT
is this a survivor meeting or something?

like a bunch of freaks at a traffic accident, "who died, man"?

maybe somebody hacked the bitches, i don't know,

do i look like a frickin programmer to you?

i'm james brown, bi-atch, and i am living in america,

home of the brave, land of the free,

ask not, what you can do for your country,

but what your country can do for you,


anybody wanna buy some food stamps, i need some booze?



apogee

climber
Feb 9, 2012 - 10:38pm PT
"The "LEB" took down another Brother, like many before,
and may be the downfall of many more caring brother climbers"


You gotta explain that, F.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
Feb 9, 2012 - 10:38pm PT
The "LEB" took down another Brother, like many before,
and may be the downfall of many more caring brother climbers

and now the problem comes back and now is attacking me
trying to piss me off enough to fight back, and then get banned for doing what's right, getting pissed off by a piss ant

I nominate DR.F for banning. reason? stupidity. Dude, get a f*#king grip.
WBraun

climber
Feb 9, 2012 - 10:43pm PT
Dr F's logics = Fail!

Man you really are stupid ......
apogee

climber
Feb 9, 2012 - 10:44pm PT
"Why would FortMental be banned if it wasn't for LEB?"

Are you fecking kidding me, F?

FM got banned for regular, repetitive graphics of genitalia, entirely directed at the same person!

Lois is fecking annoying as shite, but she doesn't ever post that kind of stuff. Ever.

Saying that Lois is the reason FM was banned is ridiculous, F.
apogee

climber
Feb 9, 2012 - 10:45pm PT
Well, it does kinda feel like hunting season.
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2012 - 10:46pm PT
if this thread goes down as my greatest thread ever












































please ban me!
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Feb 9, 2012 - 10:47pm PT
Okay - so with all these people disappearing, and so many of them being sort of fanatical, maybe what's happened is that that armegeddeon thing where the *good* people go to heaven and the heathens are left in the mire to mosh it out....and we who are still here are the heathens.

Even WERNER!

Things are no always what they seem...
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Feb 9, 2012 - 10:48pm PT
Dawn and I once had a pet rabbit that lived under a counter in the kitchen.

His name was "Rabbit" and he was not neutered.

He was caged.

He overlooked that most of time because we fed him well and he got to play in the yard.

You think he would be a happy rabbit and not be a pest.

But get him excited enough and he would start peeing ALLLLLL around the room.

Just a crotchedy old fart rabbit spinning round and round in a slow and deliberate circle letting his little weenie fling whizz.

Just saying.

grover

climber
Dabville. Gnarlandia
Feb 9, 2012 - 10:49pm PT
Ricky D was the above post meant for the oddball hobbies thread?

Just sayin.
apogee

climber
Feb 9, 2012 - 10:51pm PT
FM's stuff was pretty funny, at least the first couple of times. When he started focussing on Lois, over and over and over and over, it crossed the line.

Lois is a troll-extraordinaire, and when anyone feeds that troll with anything, it is waaaay more of a reflection on them than it is on Lois.

After all....she's a troll. That's all. Just a troll.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 9, 2012 - 10:54pm PT
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2012 - 10:55pm PT
I'm the proud papa of a 100 post per hour thread.


ban me now.




























please.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Feb 9, 2012 - 10:55pm PT
The "LEB" just breeds Hate in people,

Exposes it would be correct.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Feb 9, 2012 - 10:56pm PT
no worries...

he'll be checking in under LEBtard, glantard, and only a few other tards....

"...of total 30901 forum postings found." - So much BS!!!


to bad he had to say over and over again that he was a volunteer sheriff's deputy..

Like this guy:
[Click to View YouTube Video]


apogee

climber
Feb 9, 2012 - 10:56pm PT
F, SHE'S A FECKING TROLL!!!

Stop responding to her...she stops responding to you. It's that simple....really!
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Feb 9, 2012 - 10:56pm PT
Are there any posters of more than 30k posts who have never been banned?

What was skipt's last post?


Ps good work sis, ya got him on the ropes
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Feb 9, 2012 - 10:57pm PT
They say opinions are like as#@&%es: everyone has on and they all stink.

Here's mine: Chris, dont' show up with a sledge hammer after a 2 year absence and start slamming on some fairly decent, but interesting and passionate folks after you've shown NO INCLINATION EVER TO GIVE A darned WHAT FOLKS SAY. Those guys are all valuable posters, but it seems that to you, anyone can sit and talk sh#t all day and no one says a damned thing. Till now. Then (out of nowhere) WHAM!.

It's a good site here and needed some moderation, but everyone seems to contribute here or there. Even Fatty (Jeff) climbed and contributed: Weschrist did as well, and yet they were diametrically opposed politically and their discourse was interesting.

My thought is this: I'd suggest that you take out yer little ballpeen hammer every once in a while and whack a post here or there. Just make some mean spirited post disappear. You've missed thousands of them in the past, but lets leave that be. I'm talking going forward. A mean spirited posts here or there where they are totally uncalled for should and will be banged off the site. Blammm, someone says something mean and inappropriate, blamm: just delete it. Gone. The individual posts get deleted, but not a poster. Leave the sledge hammer in the trunk for emergencies or when you really need it. Every once in a great while, you pull it out and toss a poster for repeatedly posting that stuff and not letting up. But don't pull it out "fait accompli" just randomly and at will. Pull out the little ballpeen hammer and whack this port or that......as an ongoing process when it's needed.

Eventually, all of us will start to see the light:-) Thanks Jstan for all of the very interesting posts by the way....

Someone had to say that........










Hey, one more thing, didn't Philo want us to vote him off the island for excessive political bullsh#t? I vote he stays. Good climbing shots



...for a librule....LOL


Warm regards to all....glad Dr F is still here.
apogee

climber
Feb 9, 2012 - 11:00pm PT
"Pull out the little ballpeen hammer and whack this port or that......"

Every once in a while, though, a good sledgehammer to a skipt is in everyone's best interests.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Feb 9, 2012 - 11:00pm PT
for now....

Dr F, lighten up bra.
apogee

climber
Feb 9, 2012 - 11:02pm PT
^^^^
Where's that Sarah Vagi-Palin face when you need it?
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Feb 9, 2012 - 11:04pm PT
THANK YOU CHRIS MAC!!
apogee

climber
Feb 9, 2012 - 11:05pm PT
You know, I'm kinda surprised the general tone of this thread hasn't devolved into the usual tin-hatted conspiratorial 'censorship' whining. I'm good with that.
WBraun

climber
Feb 9, 2012 - 11:15pm PT
Dr F = meltdown, ..... disguised as having fun ......
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Feb 9, 2012 - 11:17pm PT
I didn't state a name on purpose. I am happy to see some hate removed. That is what my thanks are for.
apogee

climber
Feb 9, 2012 - 11:17pm PT
dogtown

Trad climber
Cheyenne, Wyoming and Marshall Islands atoll.
Feb 9, 2012 - 11:21pm PT
Well, Hell?

It is a rock climbing site or a climbing site, RIGHT? If so. Who are theses people? I know them, a bunch of over achievers, egotistical, educated and fit, well traveled folks who don’t get a long at times.

HUMMM! Sound about right!

If so, what’s the big deal ? Say good by to the departed, carry on.


bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Feb 9, 2012 - 11:26pm PT
Hey F,

What if a "Lib" or a smart person (whatever that is) posts patent crap? (I'm happy to include me except for claiming smarts !)


I thought the same. This is a good example of what Dr. F claims to be against - blinded by ideology.

I've been trying make this point for a while now, but...only right-wingers can be stupid and without humor.

meh...
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Feb 9, 2012 - 11:28pm PT
any chicks need a hot guy?



Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Feb 9, 2012 - 11:31pm PT
if your paranoid, just post a TR with a few pics,

ok, everybody put up a TR, old pics ok,

Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Feb 9, 2012 - 11:32pm PT
what about body odor?
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Feb 9, 2012 - 11:32pm PT
Wrong
You have to decalre youself smart, then live up to it

Are you starting any time soon?
WBraun

climber
Feb 9, 2012 - 11:37pm PT
So now Dr F is saying he's not smart and is offended by the smartness of LEB .....
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2012 - 11:37pm PT
oh my god... what have I done. It must be Karmic retribution.

I can't stop it now... it's out of control. but what have I done?
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Feb 9, 2012 - 11:39pm PT
TR:

this is me doing K1 last summer,

dogtown

Trad climber
Cheyenne, Wyoming and Marshall Islands atoll.
Feb 9, 2012 - 11:39pm PT
Moundhouse, LOFL!
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Feb 9, 2012 - 11:42pm PT
hey Nature, grow a longer arm so you can pat yourself on the back, will ya?

and make me a californai roll, bi-atch!

i want fresh from hawaii, same day delivery and no kikoman this time,
dogtown

Trad climber
Cheyenne, Wyoming and Marshall Islands atoll.
Feb 9, 2012 - 11:47pm PT
Whore houses are the main industry in Moundhouse, NO?
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Feb 9, 2012 - 11:48pm PT
who is Nature's mother?



Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Feb 9, 2012 - 11:51pm PT
How come FatTrad, skipt, and those other annoyances got raptured, and we didn't? Something's backwards here. We're still in ST hell, and they're not.
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Feb 9, 2012 - 11:58pm PT
answer to who is Nature's mother?

Mother Nature
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2012 - 11:59pm PT
duh:

http://www.supertopo.com/inc/view_forum.php?dcid=Oj05OT04NyA,
new world order-

climber
Feb 10, 2012 - 12:01am PT
Dr. Sprock....Dude man, you kill me!

I bet you would make a good moderator.
dogtown

Trad climber
Cheyenne, Wyoming and Marshall Islands atoll.
Feb 10, 2012 - 12:10am PT
Ha, Ha , Ha

I know this place Ron a friend of mine has a gold mine near there, ( no bullshit ) what do you do there?
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Feb 10, 2012 - 12:12am PT
He stuffs stiffs....
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Feb 10, 2012 - 12:15am PT
WOW, Checking in on the Taco for the first time today....

All i can Honestly say is....Not missing

Skipt.. skipt... skipt..to my Loo.



edit: I hope the others are only on a time out....









Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Feb 10, 2012 - 12:19am PT
i Am the moderator,

check your email, you just been zapped!

who wants it next?

Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Feb 10, 2012 - 12:21am PT
did Fats steal those cams?

when the golden gate buffalo died i thought it was fats at first,


if you like pina coladas,

Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Feb 10, 2012 - 12:24am PT
who wants to play some chess?

i'm white,

1. e4

your turn,
dogtown

Trad climber
Cheyenne, Wyoming and Marshall Islands atoll.
Feb 10, 2012 - 12:27am PT
Yep, Terry Howard. long time resident. found a nugget a few years ago well over a pound.
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Feb 10, 2012 - 12:29am PT
you wanna play with my what?

Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Feb 10, 2012 - 12:30am PT
It was like a joke I couldn't come up with the punchline for Ron ...
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Feb 10, 2012 - 12:32am PT
thanks for the mammories i just got nuked,
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 12:35am PT
later Jebus... shine Karma fatty's way.





or something.
part-time communist

climber
Feb 10, 2012 - 12:37am PT
wow...no wonder none of u guys are gettin laid.
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Feb 10, 2012 - 12:40am PT
yeah, but i made 1000 squirts last year,

and that folks, is a new personal record,

probably never to be repeated, gettin kind of old, the sack looks like a raisin in a microwave,

Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Feb 10, 2012 - 12:42am PT
do any of you have girls that only want to do it like once a month?

Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Feb 10, 2012 - 12:42am PT
wow...no wonder none of u guys are gettin laid.

No need to engage in projection young lady.
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Feb 10, 2012 - 12:44am PT
i wanna watch the Captain Kangeroo show,
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Feb 10, 2012 - 12:47am PT
pretty good D Wane!
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Feb 10, 2012 - 12:50am PT
i'm afraid to use the toilet now,

where can i drop?

part-time communist

climber
Feb 10, 2012 - 12:51am PT
No need to engage in projection young lady.


Say, what do people see in this picture? (This is a projective test, kind of like the Rorschach, you know)








nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 12:52am PT
I can't quite figure out the irony.... but wasn't it p-tc that showed up here trying to get laid and then failed in possibly one of the most embarrassing intro's the taco has ever seen. and now the fashion model is capping on the crowd that wouldn't touch her?


Edit: I see thick thighs.
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Feb 10, 2012 - 12:52am PT
any lurkers?





part-time communist

climber
Feb 10, 2012 - 12:54am PT
I can't quite figure out the irony.... but wasn't it p-tc that showed up here trying to get laid and then failed in possibly one of the most embarrassing intro's the taco has ever seen. and now the fashion models is capping on the crowd that wouldn't touch her?


less psychoanalysis, more whatdoyouseeinthepicturealysis
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Feb 10, 2012 - 12:55am PT
For reals Ron? Yikes!
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 12:57am PT
wait.... I got it.....


it's soooo obvious!!!































the chubby right thigh is FATTRAD!!!!!!
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Feb 10, 2012 - 12:57am PT
I see someone craving attention.
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Feb 10, 2012 - 12:59am PT
i see fatty buying a new laptop at best buys,

Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Feb 10, 2012 - 01:00am PT
I think I saw the pottey monster.
Studly

Trad climber
WA
Feb 10, 2012 - 01:02am PT
I see a happy smile!
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Feb 10, 2012 - 01:08am PT
I see an indecipherable ceiling layout in that room...is it vaulted, double vaulted, vaulted only in the part behind the fan?...it's almost like MC Escher was the architect.
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Feb 10, 2012 - 01:10am PT
i see somebody's underwear
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 10, 2012 - 01:14am PT
Wazzup with that fan?
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Feb 10, 2012 - 01:14am PT
Kabuan Garn

Gang Geng Nai Krai Lab (Look Whose Underwear is Showing)

http://soundcloud.com/michael-martin-5/gang-geng-nai-krai-lab-look
part-time communist

climber
Feb 10, 2012 - 01:15am PT
Hey, isn't cosmic crack doing (sort of) the same thing that got fort mental banned? Creepy fixation thing going on there, too.

He is causing me considerable emotional distress! Ban him!
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Feb 10, 2012 - 01:15am PT
I see that ptc noticed her thread was getting no play, poked her head out the window wondering WTF? and saw that Nature's thread was getting the spotlight.

"Quel Horreur!" thought PTC. So she took about 50 self-portrait posterior shots until she got one she felt did the trick, and came over here, hoping to divert the thread from attention other were getting to her self.

But that's just me.



Back to the originally scheduled program: Has it occurred to anyone that somebody may have hacked into the admin account and deactivated the accounts, and that CMac doesn't even know?



Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Feb 10, 2012 - 01:16am PT
I see London
I see France
part-time communist

climber
Feb 10, 2012 - 01:19am PT
So she took about 50 self-portrait posterior shots until she got one she felt did the trick, and came over here, hoping to divert the thread from attention other were getting to her self.


lol. nah, man-that pic was taken 3 years ago. The most recent pics are way too X rated to post on here. Don't want to be banned, eh?
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Feb 10, 2012 - 01:19am PT
What do you see in THIS picture?


FYI - Teddy's newest nickname is Snapple.

Because he's made of the best stuff on earth!

(and this picture was taken more than 3 years ago. and I don't want to see ONE SINGLE porno dog innuendo or bang, zoom, to the MOON!)
part-time communist

climber
Feb 10, 2012 - 01:22am PT
Because he's made of the best stuff on earth!


that sounds like youre planning on eating him or something.
cleo

Social climber
the canyon below the Ditch!!!!
Feb 10, 2012 - 01:23am PT
Annnnnd.... for the first time ever...


Polireligitard threads off the first page. And it only took a small # of posters banned to do that.


I'm with Crimpergirl!
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Feb 10, 2012 - 01:28am PT
If ever there was a time for a repost...

[Click to View YouTube Video]

I think the folks who got dismissed (if that is indeed what happened, could be a hack) were handed their hats and shown the door because their signal-to-noise ratio was way off the charts, and any propsective new users exploring supertopo for the first time would take one glance at our typical front page and run, not walk, but run for dear life in the opposite direction.

From the perspective of CMac's business model, it's the equivelent of a floor manager quietly asking a very drunk, very beligerant person to leave the premises. Makes sense. I'd long ago taken to simply scrolling past Fattrad's posts without so much of a glance. But the sheer weight and volume of his bellowing nonsense could stunt a team of oxen in it's tracks. The effort involved in ignoring him was becoming cumbersome, and led to a lot of scrolling. He nuked a lot of otherwise promising theads with his disrptive and not-at-all wittly declarations and non-sequiters.

I expect they'll all be allowed to attend recess once again, after a brief "time-out" in the Dunce chair.
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Feb 10, 2012 - 01:35am PT
Cosmic is the new Andy Warhol.

Much better in fact.

Hey.... Isn't this a rock climbing forum?
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Feb 10, 2012 - 01:48am PT
Where does Roxjox fit into this shakedown?

Rox lent me and Watusi a helping hand during a time of dire need, so he's OK in my book, depite the fact that he appears to be ageing in a uniquely "idiosyncratic" fashion.
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Feb 10, 2012 - 01:49am PT
some folks feel like a human litter box,

i don't know what that means or if it is even legal to say that,

but it just happened so deal with it.

i think i just heard the ice cream truck, hip hip horray for warm winters!
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Feb 10, 2012 - 01:50am PT
And as an aside, I think any of us with, say, 20,000 posts or more might want to focus on content as opposed to sheer crushing volume. I mean, f*#k!
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Feb 10, 2012 - 01:51am PT
exactly.

i wouldn't give my problems to a monkey on a rock right now.

Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Feb 10, 2012 - 01:58am PT
So who are the casualties to this point? Names? FatTrad. skipt. And? Anyone MIA?
Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
Feb 10, 2012 - 02:06am PT
Run Anders, run!
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Feb 10, 2012 - 02:50am PT
my reaction to opening this thread
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Feb 10, 2012 - 07:57am PT
Feb 9, 2012 - 08:02pm PT
^^^^
Where's that Sarah Vagi-Palin face when you need it?

Thats what got one of em banned. Seriously.
Barbarian

Trad climber
New and Bionic too!
Feb 10, 2012 - 08:54am PT
While this has been semi-interesting, I have to get back to re-slinging my yellow Jumars and reading some climbing posts.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 10, 2012 - 10:58am PT











Skipt and FortMental can stay banned...
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Feb 10, 2012 - 11:06am PT
spring cleaning is always refreshing..
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Feb 10, 2012 - 11:12am PT
His revenge guarantees he will never be on the taco again imo.
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 11:33am PT
That he would consider taking revenge on what boils down to a result of his own actions speaks volumes about him.
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 11:39am PT
no, Dr. F is trolling:
http://www.supertopo.com/inc/view_profile.php?dcid=ODM8NTo8OCc,

that's lame dude. way lame.

getting our hopes up like that.

lamer. ;-)


For real though.. The whack-o-mole should pull the trifecta. Fatty, skipt and LEB. whack 'em all and all of a sudden this site looks massively different. Not sure what Dr. F and Norton would do with themselves. maybe more pretty succulent posts?
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 11:41am PT
ah. Global Warming is working! Proof!
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Feb 10, 2012 - 11:42am PT
I think LEB is saved by contributing very constructively in many healthrelated threads. I also think LEB is more than just one.

Edited: I guess you're right Nature.
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 11:46am PT
Marlow: she's also saved by the fact that her personal attacks are few. And when she does attack it's nothing like that post above from skipt directed at JStan. As opposed to skipt who was at almost 100% of his posts and fatty who was at least 75% of his (recent) posts.

The problem with her is she thinks she's making a point or has something valuable to offer when the reality is she misses the mark. and my observation is most folks react by beating their head against a wall trying to point out her denseness. most of the taco is frustrated with that and would simply like it gone. If it was me and I was on a forum and almost everyone wishes I would just leave.... I'd leave w/o a single word. but again... it's the denseness at play.
edejom

Boulder climber
Butte, America
Feb 10, 2012 - 11:51am PT
Interesting--both fattrad and skipt inflict insults and taunt here online, yet in real life each take in orphan kids from abroad and donate money to charitable causes...




...the human psyche is a strange one
ncrockclimber

climber
The Desert Oven
Feb 10, 2012 - 11:51am PT
I don't post too often here, but I just can't resist wading into this sh#t-pond.

Fatty is delusional. I cannot believe that you guys don't see it. He always alludes to having secret knowledge, connections and power, but reality is somewhat different. All I see is Walter Mitty trying to validate his fantasy life via the internet. He has been called out more than once regarding claims he has made, and yet the BS continues to flow. His biggest claim to fame is his prolific posting on this site, and that is sad.

The Taco is a climbing site. This is a forum for climber. To the best of my knowledge, Fatty is not a climber. He is one of the most prolific posters here, and yet he posted almost zero climbing related material. At every chance, he inserts himself into threads, trolling for reactions and steering the conversations towards his favorite political subjects. just the sheer volume of his posts mean that he has a huge impact on the personality of this site. If you want to make The Taco an attractive place for climbers to come and talk around a virtual campfire, if is probably not advisable to have a delusional loudmouth troll as your most prolific poster.

As an aside, much of what I said about fatty applies to Lois. the only differences is that LEB is much more verbose and much less self aggrandizing.

This is CMs site. I like that there are no moderators and have no problem with CM occasionally dropping the pimp hand without explanation. Again, it is his site and all of us post here at his discretion.

As to Fatty having revenge - BS! That is just more delusional noise. It also points out a real a**hole he is.
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 11:54am PT
ncrockclimber - good post.

Except:
1) fatty does climb at times (though when he notes it it is because he's being called out and in defense mode).

2) 'Fatty is delusional. I cannot believe that you guys don't see it. "

excuse me? we don't see it? I've not see a single poster except maybe LEB, Skipt, Donald and TGT that don't see it.

I'm not attacking you so don't take that wrong. We very much are familiar with his delusional nature.

rest of your post is spot on.


dropping the pimp hand

LOL!
splitter

Trad climber
Hodad surfing the galactic plane
Feb 10, 2012 - 11:55am PT
So who be The Departed?

How many total?

Maybe it was a cyber snuff job...
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 11:56am PT
CMac is the new Tony Montaño
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 10, 2012 - 11:59am PT
Haven't seen Skully around for a while.
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 11:59am PT
yeah Hank... I have noticed that.

I'm just glad he likes sushi ;-)
apogee

climber
Feb 10, 2012 - 12:03pm PT
"Fatty is delusional. I cannot believe that you guys don't see it."

fattrad has an online persona just like the rest of us. His happens to be based on constant self-aggrandizement, namedropping, and of late, ad hominems aimed at a few specific people. Anyone who believes all of fattrad's spray either hasn't been around very long, or they are the one who's deluded.

Once you get past that facade, and if you can let go of rigid ideology for a moment, fattrad is a pretty good guy- there's plenty of evidence of that in his relationship with his daughter, his support of outdoor interests that we're all invested in, participation in FaceLift...

His 'revenge'? Yeah...right. Remember...fattrad loves to spray, and he's probably bummed he got the boot. That tends to result in defensive, chest-thumping statements like 'revenge' (if that's actually what he said)- and chest-thumping is a core part of fattrad's ST persona.
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Feb 10, 2012 - 12:16pm PT
There's a new rule. If you have over 10,000 posts and not a single trip report you are deactivated.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 10, 2012 - 12:18pm PT
and maybe maybe maybe

posting nudes or semi nudes

or toe shots

or who knows

will suddenly find you banned

it is worth it anymore, given the wave of banning, to chance it?


Locker/Suddenly Proud Scum
2012
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Feb 10, 2012 - 12:25pm PT
Good riddance to that intentianally disruptive, bloviating, attention-whore, deluded, self-aggrandizing, uber-troll circus sideshow. colorie rich and nutrient free. His departure will not be grieved.

The hoards of mourners:




blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Feb 10, 2012 - 12:30pm PT
I'm sure CMac considered any possible negative effects of the ban before he did it, and IF fatty was monetarily contributing to the site (which I highly doubt), CMac was obviously willing to forego that money to get rid of fatty

Mostly I just wanted to point out a subtle word choice error that those who strive to use correct English may appreciate, see below.
On the substance of this, I'm surprised that everyone seems to take Locker's tale of Fatty's "revenge" seriously. First, I don't recall Fatty claiming that he was "monetarily contributing to the site," and I read more of that nitwit's repetitious nonsense than I'm proud to admit. Second, seeing that one of his memes was "threatening" to "tool" various posters, if there's any truth to Locker's "revenge" stuff at all, it was probably meant to be taken as seriously as the "tooling."


FOREGO/FORGO
The E in “forego” tells you it has to do with going before. It occurs mainly in the expression “foregone conclusion,” a conclusion arrived at in advance. “Forgo” means to abstain from or do without. “After finishing his steak, he decided to forgo the blueberry cheesecake.
Dos XX

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Feb 10, 2012 - 12:32pm PT
Trying to be helpful...
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Feb 10, 2012 - 12:36pm PT
Apogee's perception is A+

Jeff has to be spoofing about revenge on CMac. His taunts are ritual humor. He told me for years that I hadno release moves on the uneven bars...I took it serious for a while but his personal emails revealed a very decent guy...just...ribbing everyone and lampooning himself.

But,yes, those lucheons with Dick Cheney were 100% factual. Thank heavens he can't call in air strikes with the Dems in power :-)
monolith

climber
albany,ca
Feb 10, 2012 - 12:48pm PT
Fattrad's idea of having lunch with Cheney just means he plunked out 5K$ to be in the same large banquet room together.
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Feb 10, 2012 - 12:49pm PT
Wow I wasn't nooked or voted off the island. It must have been all that silly climbing content I posted over all these years. Crap you all are stuck with me.


Well that blew my mind.



Oh and more toe.



Thank yooooooo.
ncrockclimber

climber
The Desert Oven
Feb 10, 2012 - 12:49pm PT
Nature, I never knew Fatty actually climbed. I always thought that he was like The LEB Thing. I did not perceive your post as an attack. It is nice to know that others also saw that he was full of it.

Many folks claim that their "online" personality is different than their "real life" personality, and that outside of the internet they are really "a nice person." While it may be true that they act better in the real world, I have always thought that a persons online personality is often an pretty true indicator of what is on the inside waiting to get out. I am not saying that Fatty is evil, and his charity work and adoption are admirable. However, they do not excuse him for the way he acted here. Here, he acted in a manner that was not appreciated by management and was shown the door. To be blunt, he was a dick that used this site as a tool to inflate his ego and further his delusions. This is not about political view, this is about the sheer volume of his BS negatively impacting the personality of this site. IMHO, he deserved to be whacked and this site will be better for it.

Now, will someone please post some "toe" or nuns in laytex! I would even settle for PTC posting another PG-13 cry for attention - anything is better than continuing to talk about Fatty now that he is gone!
monolith

climber
albany,ca
Feb 10, 2012 - 12:51pm PT
Don't forget Wes. He'll be missed.
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Feb 10, 2012 - 01:01pm PT
Really
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Feb 10, 2012 - 01:09pm PT
My favorite Fattrad pathology was his insisitance on repeatedly reposting images of "Certificates" and "Letters of Appreciation" from low-level municipal functionaries. I have mountains of those things, only they came to me by way of the Deputy Director of the Secret Service, a personal letter from Secretary Rumsfeld, etc.

Didn't hang on to a single one of 'em. meh. They didn't hold half the water as, say, an offhand, personal, C4 compliment from Walt Shipley or Duecy or Kevin or Tucker. Those were way harder to come by, and infinately more valuable.

Fattrad, indeed.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 10, 2012 - 01:10pm PT
Now, will someone please post some "toe" or nuns in laytex


given the proliferation of banning, for seemingly not clear reasons..........

wanna log in and find out you are banned?

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 10, 2012 - 01:13pm PT
See, Dingus? And you think me paranoid about a conspiracy? It is Watergate all over again.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Feb 10, 2012 - 01:13pm PT
I think it's pretty obvious who the WhackAMole is, and it ain't CMac ...

Looks like the whacking goes out to folks who cross the line when calling other users names, even if only vaguely threatening.

skipt, while helpful to those with computer problems, really posted mostly hate and such. I'm surprised he didn't get the knudge when he posted all that copyright'ed material way back when.

Wes, well that boy needs to find an outlet for his anger.

Fatty, I often thought he was just playing the Devil's Advocate, but his posts portrayed the mind of a very ugly, uncaring person. Probably nice in person, but whew.
ncrockclimber

climber
The Desert Oven
Feb 10, 2012 - 01:14pm PT
Still here!
part-time communist

climber
Feb 10, 2012 - 01:21pm PT
If you need to self-validate through an internet forum, you are pathetic.


lol!

nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 01:22pm PT
Malemute understands my definition of dense. the dense do knott. Go figure?
part-time communist

climber
Feb 10, 2012 - 01:23pm PT
I think nature and Dr. F will be banned soon, for sheer # of posts and not having a life
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 01:26pm PT
a thinly veiled retort for noting your chubby thighs? judging anyone based on a few posts on the intardnet speaks of denseness. or something.

Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Feb 10, 2012 - 01:35pm PT
sure... i'll delete this post and the one above.

don't delete!
rectorsquid

climber
Lake Tahoe
Feb 10, 2012 - 01:41pm PT
It's amazing what you can miss by just working hard for a day instead of screwing around on internet forums.

Anyone who writes more than two or three posts in a row whose sole content is "You are an idiot." ought to be banned. There is just no benefit to anyone in doing that and not saying it is just as effective as saying it. What a waste of bytes.

Yes, I know what the next post will say.

And the pornographers should be removed too. There are other places to see that stuff where it doesn't show up unexpectedly. Some of that stuff is just gross.

Dave

P.S. Was this a banning or some sort of internet rapture and we are just the ones left behind?




JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Feb 10, 2012 - 01:42pm PT
P.S. Was this a banning or some sort of internet rapture and we are just the ones left behind?

LOL. Good one!

John
wbw

Trad climber
'cross the great divide
Feb 10, 2012 - 01:42pm PT
I actually believe he's probably a well-intentioned guy, but the fact that Fattrad got tooled reaffirms my faith in the world, in a weird way. All the spray from the LEO point of view, and at the same time bragging that he never busted anyone for possession of pot was getting pretty tiresome.

Personally, I don't believe any LEO belongs in the company of climbers. Just my jaded opinion . .
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Feb 10, 2012 - 01:43pm PT
Wes will be missed. One of my favorite posters by far.

There's a new rule. If you have over 10,000 posts and not a single trip report you are deactivated.

No idea how many posts I have (too many, by any reasonable measure) but it's a good thing I crack off the occasional TR or I'd be in the detention corner with the rest of em.
rectorsquid

climber
Lake Tahoe
Feb 10, 2012 - 01:45pm PT
...So, when asked "who does not like you right now", I offered up CMac and RJ as highly unlikely suspects. And I repeated "highly unlikely"...

The Pope doesn't like me because I'm an atheist. I still wouldn't give his name to the police if someone broke into my place. It's just not cool at all to give the police someone's name because you don't like them at the moment.

Dave
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 01:48pm PT
Elcapinyoazz - 3210
nature- 12800+
LEB - 22900+
Fatty - 30900+

I think it's a cut off of 10K posts of calling people nasty names.

if it was a climber VS non-climbing ratio thing fatty would be gone for sure. And so would LEB.

Russ Walling - 7K
skipt: 9100 + (zero climbing)
WBraun

climber
Feb 10, 2012 - 01:49pm PT
What a stupid discussion.

In Russia they'll take you out back and shoot you in the head.

In America they lobotomize each others brains with this stupid drivel ....
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 01:50pm PT
WBraun - 19116
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Feb 10, 2012 - 01:50pm PT
They're having a party for all the deactivated people

They'll be getting wasted, flaming each other, and listen to Big Banned Music!

Peace

Karl
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 10, 2012 - 01:53pm PT
Whoa! Somebody call Cmac and warn him that Fattie has called in his favors
from Cheney. 13 Cobras just flew over our house headed north! It's On!
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Feb 10, 2012 - 01:55pm PT
What a stupid discussion

ditto.

there have been some disturbing things on this site at times that far exceeds anything that either skipt or fatty has done, but because they werent in the clique everyone jumps their sh&&.

and wes? he just liked to stir things up. pretty funny actually.

now you all can go back to feeling self righteous and sh&&...
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Feb 10, 2012 - 02:05pm PT
Hi Lois, how did that traffic court tooling go for you? I
never noticed an update.
Inquiring minds want to know.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Feb 10, 2012 - 02:13pm PT
LEB
I appreciate where you're coming from but your conclusions are way off the mark.
When fattrad was asked a perfectly normal question about a crime, he gave an honest answer including "highly unlikely". Which by the way, he was legally required to answer unless he thought it was self incriminating.
Now, to find CMac and RJ, the cops would have to know this is an internet forum. They've got better things to do than chase down this sort of "lead". If they did bother to call either of these guys and have a talk, they're certainly not going to waste their time and show up at the door.
If the cops DID call either of them, and that's why fattrad got booted, that's really wrong.
So until we hear from CMac, it's all conjecture.

To just bring someones name into the mix is to bring that person into the mix...
yeah.....just as my name and address go into the record when I call CHP to report a traffic accident.
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 02:24pm PT
Jebus +1
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 10, 2012 - 02:42pm PT
TuesdayJeff Elfont Working on getting a warrant for CMac's arrest.
..
TuesdayLocker Smith
LOL! "Book 'em Dano!"...
..
YesterdayLocker Smith
Hey Jeff, have you figured out yet why you got booted from ST or did you request to be removed?
..
YesterdayJeff ElfontNo idea, but I have tooled (limited) CMac
..
YesterdayLocker Smith
I have never seen you write what I would considered to be so offensive, that you shouold be booted. Doesn't add up.
HOw do you mean you have "tooled (LIMITED) CMac"...?
.."...


well, there it is, isn't it?

In his communication with Locker, Fatty talks about getting a warrant for Chris Mac's arrest and also talks about "tooling" Chris Mac.

typical language, threatening while seemingly also humorous or innocent, but not really

always about the "power" that he supposedly once had, over 20 years ago, as an assistant deputy in the sheriff's office for one dollar a year.

warrants, tooling, name dropping.........all about me me me me me
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Feb 10, 2012 - 02:48pm PT
Guess that's the last we'll see of 'Fattrad' on supertopo.

What a foolish thing to do, on his part.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Feb 10, 2012 - 02:55pm PT
Whatever happened to Pate?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 10, 2012 - 02:59pm PT
Pate is not banned.


Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Feb 10, 2012 - 03:08pm PT
Pate is busy with life.
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Feb 10, 2012 - 03:08pm PT
So, do we have a comprehensive list of those who were voted off the island? And why? And for how long?

Not that I'm questioning the decision. It was a stroke of Genius on the Admin's part.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Feb 10, 2012 - 03:09pm PT
Part of fattrad's persona is to make outrageous but opaque statements. What did he really mean to "tool" someone?
You can assume he's being sarcastic.......or not.
Are his "connections" real, inflated, or imagined? All of the above?
How much is self aggrandizing bluster, how much true nastiness or threat?
With fattrad, it's often very hard to tell.
If he truly threatened or used his "connections" to get the cops after anyone, that's a very serious charge.

Doesn't account for FM, skipt and weschrist unless they were all involved.
Now there's a tag team match I'd pay to see.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Feb 10, 2012 - 03:10pm PT
so slacklining and sketchy andy hit the big time, jillions of unfamiliar tv viewers start googling slacklining, climbing, sketchy andy.

cmac posts a thread to take advantage of the imminent gold rush, one of the rare occasions on which he actually uses the site for something other than selling gear.

and then the poor f*#kers who click thru to supertopo are then treated to the usual cluster.

i'm just surprised more folks didn't get the axe, but then i gave up on that thread almost as soon as it began, just like we all have to give up on most of them.



Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Feb 10, 2012 - 03:12pm PT
Honestly, it sucks this time of year. Work is slow and I resort to following ST interoffice memos diligently.

Tell me somebody needs some carpentry work!

The monotony is mind numbing.
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Feb 10, 2012 - 03:15pm PT
Congrats on getting the charges dropped LEB. (I missed that you'd posted about it before too).
Roughster

Sport climber
Vacaville, CA
Feb 10, 2012 - 03:18pm PT
I look at this thread and it really does make me believe that history repeats itself. /enough said.

The bottom line is, if you are >90% noise, you should be gone. IMO the signal to noise ratio is CRITICAL to the success of a website. Dr. F., while very active in the Poli threads, is a REAL climber. Not only that, probably 85% of everyone reading this owns his SoCal Bouldering Guide and should clearly recognize the value of having him around. Jhedge? That dude has more climbing knowledge about Cali and areas beyond that most of you could wish you had.

LEB is 100% pure non-climbing noise. How does this help Supertopo? To me it isn't about whether or not someone has the same political perspective that I do, it is about whether or not they contribute to this website positively in the arena of climbing.

That to me should be the crux of whether you stay or whether you go...
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Feb 10, 2012 - 03:20pm PT
There is the question of free speech.
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 03:24pm PT
HighTraverse - you make valid points. Personally, the (his) schtick got very very old. I started asking him why he was "being such a dick". enough is enough.

Jim - this is a commercial site. Rights of free speech do not apply. Take a read of the terms of use of this site. They are typical and standard - right to refuse service for any reason is managements right.

Of course then there is the "right of free speech" that this nutty little tribe seems to generally agree on and try to adhere to. Doesn't always work. Sometimes you get voted off the island and never LEaBe. I mean leave.
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 03:29pm PT
HT made some good points initially. But now the thing has a momentum all its own, the mob has assert...

what's nuts to me is I have 12K posts, started many, and this has the highest post rate and volume of any. f*#king sad if you ask me.....
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Feb 10, 2012 - 03:31pm PT
I only have 2500 posts, but I make 'em count.

Like this one, so worth it.
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 03:31pm PT
Dingus - bowels not in an uproar. On the contrary. It's just I thought my other OP's to be of much more value! ;-)

Jebus +2
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Feb 10, 2012 - 03:32pm PT
There is the question of free speech

Will all due respect Jim, that's really BS. There is no free speech issue AT ALL. They are free to stand on the street corner and utilize their free speech rights just like any other day.

The NY Times refusing to publish my opinion pieces is not a free speech issue, and this is no different. Private website, etc.
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 03:34pm PT
Post count is not a score, nature. Its an indictment.

Is fatty gonna tool me now? I'VE BEEN INDICTED!
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Feb 10, 2012 - 03:36pm PT
Charges? Cyberstalking, LEB?

EDIT: I'm curious. I wonder what would happen if we all registered to a "Nurse Practioner" site and subjected them the 22,000 post LEB treatment, as she has done here?

I'm guessing we'd all be banned in nanoseonds.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Feb 10, 2012 - 03:39pm PT
DMT
was that a polite way of telling me to STFU?
Don't worry. Offense not taken.
(insert 1 smiley face after STFU)

Whoooo boy donini. Now you've opened the door to the asylum.
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 03:40pm PT
Hell, this is train-wreck watchable!

Does this make the conductor? At least I'm not Italian.



wooo! 500th post!
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Feb 10, 2012 - 03:41pm PT
Does this make the conductor? At least I'm not Italian.

No, you're the ticket checker.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Feb 10, 2012 - 03:42pm PT
You're absolutely correct Elcap..., my mistake, this is a private website, but I think that nukings on ST often seem very arbitrary. I know that is the priviledge of the website administrators but it makes me a bit uneasy.
apogee

climber
Feb 10, 2012 - 03:43pm PT
Over 500 posts in 20 hours. Gotta be some kind of ST record.

fattrad's lurking and smiling, somewhere.
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 03:45pm PT
we know he's lurking.

not sure about smiling...
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Feb 10, 2012 - 03:46pm PT
Left holding the (soon to be flattened) Bacon, DMT?

After this, Tucson may not let you go, nature.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Feb 10, 2012 - 03:46pm PT
Nature wrote: At least I'm not Italian.

You should be so lucky!!! :-)
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 03:47pm PT
Bob - I had hoped that comment was perceived as a thinly veiled stab at a certain ship captain. oh and the CT panties in a bunch crew.

No way Jaybro. I'm outta here the day after sushifest!
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Feb 10, 2012 - 03:51pm PT
but it makes me a bit uneasy.

Me too, JD.

Nature, "Vada abordo, Cazzo!"
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Feb 10, 2012 - 03:59pm PT
For all it's occasional inanity, I believe this is a very worthwhile thread.
There've been minimal personal attacks and a serious issue of interest to all SuperTopo users is being intelligently discussed.

Who gets excluded and on what FACTUAL or ethical basis is the question.
That CMac has the right to exclude anyone he likes is not in dispute.

So far, I've heard no facts that ethically justify excluding any of the four people in question.
We've gotten some interesting facts from locker concerning fattrad. Unless they led to some other activity, which so far is just speculation, exclusion isn't justified in my mind. The fattrad facts don't apply to anything I know about FM, weschrist and skipt.

Disclaimer: I've met and spoken at length with fattrad a couple of times. Although I've frequently found him annoying here, he appears to me a decent and often generous person in Real Life. He could of course be Jekyll and Hyde, I've misjudged people before. I've no opinion about the other three; they're just typical internet barking rats as far as I'm concerned.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Feb 10, 2012 - 04:00pm PT
One of my favorite albums.
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 04:01pm PT
There've been minimal personal attacks and a serious issue of interest to all SuperTopo users is being intelligently discussed.

and isn't it ironic that the one person that isn't posting here that would alter that course is the topic of this very thread?

Add one with the lack of skipt on top.
Curt

Boulder climber
Gilbert, AZ
Feb 10, 2012 - 04:18pm PT
...Testing...

...and now back to your regularly scheduled forum.

Curt
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Feb 10, 2012 - 04:19pm PT
i'm sure that more of a few of us have had our share of being f*#ked over by some rule crazy cops, maybe even CMAC.

so it's like this:

"F*#k You officer, i am in charge around here, and you reservation has been cancelled, "

graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Feb 10, 2012 - 04:21pm PT
What did they get nuked for?

Did they do anything juicy, or did the management just get tired of the usual OT political bickering?
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Feb 10, 2012 - 04:22pm PT
just go back over all their threads,

see ya in about a month,
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Feb 10, 2012 - 04:24pm PT
Wes got railroaded, he should be allowed back.
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 04:26pm PT
my guess is wes and fatty will be allowed back.

both will be on a short rope.

wes I think gets where his issues lie. Not sure about Jeff. kinda doubt it.

skipt is probably gone for good. That post regarding JStan has no defensible excuse.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Feb 10, 2012 - 04:28pm PT
Nature wrote: skipt is probably gone for good. That post regarding JStan has no defensible excuse.


Skip had hundreds like that. What a vile human being.
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 04:47pm PT
one thing that is sadly telling is that in 524 posts not a single person has tried to argue fatty should be allowed back.

how many posts did it take before that started for locker? 522? ;-)
Prod

Trad climber
Feb 10, 2012 - 04:49pm PT
one thing that is sadly telling is that in 524 posts not a single person has tried to argue fatty should be allowed back.

I'd bring Jeff back in a New York second. I like him, he is more genuine than lots of folks that post here.

Prod.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Feb 10, 2012 - 04:51pm PT
Bob D - the correct response to "I'm not Italian" is "well, nobodys perfect"...LOL



Jim Donini said:
"You're absolutely correct Elcap..., my mistake, this is a private website, but I think that nukings on ST often seem very arbitrary. I know that is the priviledge of the website administrators but it makes me a bit uneasy. "

Me too Jim. I think showing up regularly and bopping a post here and there would be a good thing. Showing up and bopping posters without any warning or recourse is not a good process.



ps, I'd be for letting them all back. Fatty, Norton, Fortmental, thedood, thetool, Skipt....everyone.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Feb 10, 2012 - 04:53pm PT
not a single person has tried to argue fatty should be allowed back
Thanks for the challenge.
I say that fattrad was booted without facts or ethical reasons to explain why. The same applies to skipt, FM and weschrist.
Let them all come back. Even though I find 3 of the 4 thoroughly annoying.

We're supposed to be grownups. Or as was once famously said by a controversial President: "If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen"

EDIT: I vaguely recall a very recent thoroughly vile comment from skipt to jstan. It was such garbage, I declined to read much of it. It was hateful. Pissed me off so much I just closed the page and came back a day or two later. So no, I don't recall it clearly.
I've also met and worked at Facelift with jstan. I think he can handle it.
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 04:54pm PT
I'd bring Jeff back in a New York second. I like him, he is more genuine than lots of folks that post here.

but he needs to change his behavior.

and i don't know that he can.

HT- I'm cool with him coming back. But he needs a timeout to think about how his bullshit affected the forum.

and HT - I might agree on the others but skipt is gone for good. there is no way to explain away his post pointed at JStan. Every other posts he's ever made suggests that's his personality.

he's gone. good f*#king riddance.


I say that fattrad was booted without facts or ethical reasons to explain why.

do you read every post on this forum? Why do you think you are entitled to facts. this is a business. CMac can kick any one of us for no reason. I salute that. Get rid of the pipe dream you will get or deserve a reason. you don't
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Feb 10, 2012 - 04:56pm PT
Except that this is a business. If Chris Mac loses advertisers, or others chose not to advertise here because of the behaviors of some, then they must go. Some of the people who got booted should be able to understand that capitalistic aspect of it.

(Not saying I know that is what is behind this at all. But it is the case for any web business nonetheless).
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 10, 2012 - 04:59pm PT
Nature, I posted the following way back. I think it is a suitable argument:


As to Fattie's gradual decline into repetitive boorishness perhaps he has porphyria?
Ya know, like King George III?
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 05:00pm PT
Mypen Issnagoat +1



Reilly - :-) I stand corrected!
splitter

Trad climber
Hodad surfing the galactic plane
Feb 10, 2012 - 05:01pm PT
...that justify excluding any of the four people in question.

I thought there were five total?

Or was one of them justifiably excluded and therefore not questionable?

ME Climb

climber
Behind the Orange Curtain
Feb 10, 2012 - 05:07pm PT
I was going to post, but someone said LEO's don't belong hanging wioth climbers. I will let all my partners know.


Eric
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Feb 10, 2012 - 05:09pm PT
Get rid of the pipe dream you will get or deserve a reason. you don't
I am very aware that I don't "deserve" a reason. Even if CMac boots me.
IF there's any thread CMac monitors, I expect it is this one right now.

Does anyone think the advertisers read our drivel? Not on your life. They don't have the time. The only thing they count is the amount of traffic and if we click on their ads.
Faux News, among others, thrives on drivel, slander and fractious, inane dispute.
After all, this IS a business.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 10, 2012 - 05:12pm PT
Hey, I'm seein' an ad for 'outdoor party tents'. How appropriate!

But then I got an even more relevant one:

monolith

climber
albany,ca
Feb 10, 2012 - 05:12pm PT
HT, ElCap pointed out that posting yesterday. Skipt was gone in minutes.

He's been obsessed with JStan since the Creationists thread 2 years ago. I suspect it's some kind of traditional Catholic thing against a secular smart guy issue. Whatever it is, he should not be allowed back.
splitter

Trad climber
Hodad surfing the galactic plane
Feb 10, 2012 - 05:13pm PT
CMac can kick any one of us for no reason.

Make us go home and play with our own toys!
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 05:14pm PT
Faux News, among others, thrives on drivel, slander and fractious, inane dispute.

+1
apogee

climber
Feb 10, 2012 - 05:16pm PT
"Does anyone think the advertisers read our drivel? Not on your life. They don't have the time."

No doubt they aren't following every thread and every post. I would bet that, when a company considers advertising on ST, they do at least a good scan of the site & the forum, and probably monitor/scan it occasionally once those ads are posted. It's not hard to imagine an advertiser seeing some of the schlock that gets posted here and having it form a negative impression of ST, and whether it's the kind of place they want to associate their product/service/business with.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Feb 10, 2012 - 05:20pm PT
apogee
Yup, I had oversimplified it.
But in the end, all the advertisers are interested in is "eyeballs" and "clicks". Someone commented earlier how fast this thread had grown.
And there is a high proportion of "real climbers" who buy real stuff on this thread.
It's just a business.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Feb 10, 2012 - 05:25pm PT
stzzo
I was thinking along your lines at first, but CMac mentioned just yesterday (or Wednesday) that he'd spoken directly with a couple of advertisers. In a niche market like climbing and climbing suppliers business relationships do get more personal.
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 05:25pm PT
Edit: Try it out. Throw some bizarre (random off-topic) keywords in the thread and see what ads appear.


butt plug. cleveland steamer.







apogee

climber
Feb 10, 2012 - 05:26pm PT
Hooolly shite! It worked!

I just saw a Rick Santorum ad pop up!
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 05:26pm PT

this is the ad I got.

she looks happy. and down with the idea.

oh my!
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Feb 10, 2012 - 05:32pm PT
eea, Skipt is a great guy! It was surprising that someone both mentally and physically challenged could be so mean to the only people he interacted with.

stinkeye, read philo's insult that skipt was referring to. philo deserved that.

i dont know anytime that skipt went after someone that did not already go after him....but i missed the jstan remark he made.
nutjob

Gym climber
Berkeley, CA
Feb 10, 2012 - 05:45pm PT
Woman: We don't have a lord.

Arthur: What?

Dennis: I told you. We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to sort of act as a sort of executive officer for the week.

Arthur: Yes.

Dennis: But all the decisions of that officer have to be ratified at a special bi-weekly meeting...

Arthur: Yes I see.

Dennis: ...by a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs...

Arthur: Be quiet!
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Feb 10, 2012 - 05:46pm PT
Does anyone think the advertisers read our drivel? Not on your life. They don't have the time

Chessler might disagree with you there.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Feb 10, 2012 - 05:55pm PT
Did you know that there are 100,000 saltw#ter crocodiles in Australia?


Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Feb 10, 2012 - 05:57pm PT
I'd like to hear about firsthand accounts of saltw#ter crocodile encounters.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Feb 10, 2012 - 06:10pm PT
Chessler might disagree with you there.
Chessler might be the exception that proves the rule.
But I doubt it, he's got WAYYY too much reading material already. Unless he's taking his iPad to the john.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 10, 2012 - 06:19pm PT
I'd like to hear about firsthand accounts of saltw#ter crocodile encounters.

Brandon, you'll find those over on the Divorce thread.


Crap, now I gotta go unload my drywall. Maybe I can think of something
else to say........................................................................
...........................................................................
...........................................................................
.......................sorry, gotta go.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Feb 10, 2012 - 06:48pm PT
This thread and video explain everything.

http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1747712/3-Goals-for-SuperTopo-Forum-in-2012-what-are-yours-Video

[Click to View YouTube Video]


Edit:

5:55 in the video -- I hear this as saying that excessive posting (even without any offensive content), taking up all the forum bandwidth, is grounds for account deactivation.

Also, that explains some of the recent deactivations. It makes sense to me.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Feb 10, 2012 - 07:02pm PT
I was in Patagonia for two months so I evidently missed threads that may have been pertinent to Fatty's demise. Prior to my leaving, I didn't see anything coming from him that would be cause for nuking.
monolith

climber
albany,ca
Feb 10, 2012 - 07:08pm PT
Fattrad kept the forum on simmer, with all his bumping and starting of political threads. Others were attracted and brought it up to full boil.

Maybe a post count limit of like 5 a day would help with someone like Fattrad.
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Feb 10, 2012 - 07:12pm PT
Bring fatty back on doubble secret probation. ban skipt for life.. YMMV
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Feb 10, 2012 - 07:49pm PT
Yeah Chris,
I'm with TMC.

Bring Jeff back. He does good things for the community. You can still muzzle him and put him on a short leash.

You don't want to phuque with the jews do you?
;)
Jim Clipper

climber
from: forests to tree farms
Feb 10, 2012 - 08:00pm PT
How about donating 2cents to the access fund for each post?
Swami Jr.

Trad climber
Bath, NY
Feb 10, 2012 - 08:05pm PT
Looking forward to enjoying this forum again. In my humble opinion, there were the same people typing in the same stuff, and none of it had to do with climbing. Ah, the air is already fresher.
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Feb 10, 2012 - 08:12pm PT
The video response was an excellent idea, Cmac! Thanks for taking the time.

So - post so much garbage you bury the relevant content, and eventually you will be booted. He said something about why waiting til it got(gets) so bad - and I think that makes sense. Everyone can have a run, here and there, where they post crap. They get carried away in the moment...maybe later they realize they could have done a lot less... But when it is over and over, ad nauseum - it DOES impact the whole.

I wish Fatty well. CMac DID say those who were deactivated could email him to discuss it. I think that is a generous thing to do. Some might say "but why not have sent the transgressor's an email saying "tone it down or else?"

Because grown up people shouldn't have to be told they are continuously going over the line. Each of those posters KNEW they were being offensive, and in some way, they seemed to find satisfaction in that. They could have - at any time - posted "I realize my joking hasn't been going over well, that I am upsetting people for my own amusement, and I am going to chance." Instead - they ramped up the bile.

The forum has had an immediate transformation to a more positive experience since this banning happened. That is pretty amazing.

hooblie

climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
Feb 10, 2012 - 08:14pm PT
i grew fond of fatty once boris showed me the way:
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1302119&msg=1302574#msg1302574

Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Feb 10, 2012 - 08:30pm PT
Fat Free Forum

less calories, more lean meat,

you miss fats?

ok, i'll be the new fatty,

"you guys should obey the law or else. and never run from a Leo, here is the
chris rock video again, i hang with dick you know,"

http/www.pwkufehgpiuhjdwfgv.com,

nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 08:35pm PT
the reason Chris was looking to the side is because fatty was sitting on that side. It's obvious Chris was looking right at fatty while he was talking.

"consuming all the bandwidth".... bwahhahahahahahahaaahaaaa!!!1111111169
ms55401

Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
Feb 10, 2012 - 08:38pm PT
dude posted too much
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Feb 10, 2012 - 08:47pm PT
I routinely click on advertising ads, in much the same way that I thumbed through gear catalogs.

As for the banned folks? It was warrrented, given the disrupting bile they brought with their baggage. Maybe let 'em back in as a probationary measure, to see if they can behave (in a sick-as-f*#k manner, as befitting the rest of us. I certainly think that bringing a certain amount of climbing content would be polite and appropriate.

But...LEB stays, Wes goes? WTF?

Hey, it's not my forum, but I enjoy hearing from the Guidos and Hartounis and Hennys and Pat Aments and Duecys and Long Agos and (egads) Ron Amicks and the BBA's of our little guppy pond, so I'll stick around. Plus I realy wanna meet some of these new mutant Woodson crucherz.

Moreover, most of the homeslice brobras I learned to climb with are postin' up. (Paging Tarbuster!)

Besides, with out me, the (c)original bone-crushing American Legend of this world, this cyber-sewer ain't worth squat. So, out of a sense of duty, I persevere. Otherwise I might as well join in on the ongoing unprotected cicle-jerk fanboy barebackers over at 8.nu.

Carry on, Jesus weep!

PS props to the Mac for his hands-off approach. He only steps in and intervenes when people decide it's so fulla fecal coliform bullshit posts that could delf-destruct the campfire faster than a squad of badge-heavy tools.

Werner/Tucker in 2012! w00t woot!
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Feb 10, 2012 - 09:32pm PT
But how much of the forum do you want to devote to his explaining himself?
ms55401

Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
Feb 10, 2012 - 09:49pm PT
seriously, folks acting like the ruling class punished fattie, when they really did him a huge favor

I hope fattie is making better use of his time now
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 09:50pm PT
allowing him back "too early" would defeat the effort that CMac reluctantly put forth. There was a reason he got sent packing. It would also send a bad message - "f*#k up? no biggie, i'll be back within a week".

skipt on the other hand... should go the way of Mountain Man. Gone. For. Good.

ms55401 +1
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 09:52pm PT
western, eh?

well.. I need to start planning my yoga class for tomorrow AM. guess I better shift to my eastern thinking.
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Feb 10, 2012 - 09:56pm PT
what book was this from, i forget,

kill the pig, slit his throat, badger him...


animal house?

apogee

climber
Feb 10, 2012 - 09:58pm PT
Lord of the Flies, I believe.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 10, 2012 - 10:00pm PT
Happie-G writes:

"Some might say "but why not have sent the transgressor's an email saying "tone it down or else?"
Because grown up people shouldn't have to be told they are continuously going over the line. Each of those posters KNEW they were being offensive, and in some way, they seemed to find satisfaction in that."

AMEN.

That hit the pin square on the head.

People get bounced out of here for the exact same reason they get 86d out of a bar: they became bad for business, or pissed-off the bartender ( or both ).

If some guy brought a Palin Vagina Face photo into my bar - and passed it around for anybody who came in to see ( including the kids, and sophisticated women ) - he'd be shown the door there too.

I'm not a choirboy, or even religious. I was kicked out of school. I grew up in places like pool halls, bars, and bowling alleys, and then worked the majority of my life in those places. I've probably forgotten more off-color jokes than most people have ever even heard - AND I can find the humor them. Vulgar and obscene language is my specialty. To me, skilled swearing is both interesting and educational.

( I can't help but wonder, though, if the guys who post up the racy photos of women have mothers, sisters, daughters, or have ever had wives or girlfirends they cared about. )

But there is a time and place for everything. You really need to know your audience if you want to break out the crap you know will offend somebody. Here, anybody could be viewing - even kids. So I can totally understand C-Mac wanting to change the vibe of the place by 86-ing a few customers.

Your Mom might not be reading this, but you know damn well somebody's Mom is.

And when you post 30+ times, in one day, to a non-climbing thread, you may be part of the problem.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 10, 2012 - 10:09pm PT
Fattrads Mom is watching and reaching for the bar of soap....Bwaaahhhhhaaaaaa little fatty...Bad boy.....
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Feb 10, 2012 - 10:13pm PT
Philo, some of your writing is uber condescending and borderline hateful too.
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Feb 10, 2012 - 10:36pm PT
If you mean that all those hits that bring in bigger ad dollars for CMac are a problem, we should all be so cursed.


Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Feb 10, 2012 - 10:38pm PT
Animal House is "Thank you. sir. May I have another".

"Kill the pig." is Lord Of The Flies


But, "badger him"????? Ya got me.
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Feb 10, 2012 - 10:41pm PT
If Fatty was a politician, I'd probably be clamboring for him to be sent to the Hague for war crimes

But he is a supporter of the community, knows people in person, and so on

I'd have him back if we slap his fat butt first


Peace

Karl
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Feb 10, 2012 - 10:43pm PT
No new threads for 3 months and 10 post per day limit.
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Feb 10, 2012 - 10:46pm PT
Chaz - you and I are on the same page. We are adults. There is a time and place for everything. Yeah, we can show some risque stuff here and there, but the hate - meh, take it elsewhere.

As someone posted above - the spring cleaning feels great! I am dreaming of posting TRs and climbing and fun again without fear of heinous attack. Love it! Thanks Chris Mac!

Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Feb 10, 2012 - 11:11pm PT
When people are free to post pics with a penis coming from someone's head (the original copyrighted image was stolen, BTW, by Crowley from a large medical organization - I never released it)

Malicious alteration of members personal pics should be a no-no.
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 11:12pm PT
what's really too bad is this thread, my thread, has diverted us from frying MTucker.
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Feb 10, 2012 - 11:31pm PT
From CMac's thread "3 Goals for SuperTopo Forum in 2012; what are yours? + Video" - link: http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1747712/3-Goals-for-SuperTopo-Forum-in-2012-what-are-yours-Video

Since anyone can post as many times as they want, there is the ability for a person or group to steer the entire Forum to reading what they want by bumping their topics to the top. If a person or group chooses to do that, the Forum is no longer as free and open a place because they are taking disproportionate control of what the rest of the Forum sees listed on the top. We hope people will not abuse this power and for the most part people don't.

We depend on people to self-monitor. And when things get out of hand, which they sometimes do, we depend on Forum members to point this out.


It's not just about hateful posts/images(which I do agree are very cruel and those who do such manipulations are way out of line), but also thread bumping because a person wants to keep their (non-climbing, and usually pretty low-quality) topic in the spotlight.
part-time communist

climber
Feb 10, 2012 - 11:33pm PT
All I remember of fat boy was from my past thread on supertopo...he posted a fair bit on that historical thread. But his posts always creeped me out a bit, like that was the first time I was posting on supertopo, and I was already getting the creepy vibe about someone I didn't know anything about or how he behaved in other threads.
corniss chopper

climber
breaking the speed of gravity
Feb 10, 2012 - 11:54pm PT
Rokjox - Sort of. It is an ominous sign though. Maybe its the beginning of the end like they say 2012 is supposed to be.

Have to ask ourselves that when Fattrad is nuked from ST how far off are the world ending earthquakes and tsunamis?
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 11, 2012 - 12:06am PT
lol! strong work, rox.
cleo

Social climber
the canyon below the Ditch!!!!
Feb 11, 2012 - 01:24am PT
I don't really get why certain people get all riled up about LEB. She's never said anything offensive, and posts exclusively in OT threads (the same place the riled up people post - kettle, meet pot). LEB is alright with me..

Anyway... there WAS abundant obnoxious and hateful posting. I'm glad to see it go.

Fattrad, I like you in person, but I think the quality of your posts have decreased in the past few years. When they let you back, I'd be happy to see Fattrad circa 2008 (Jody's evil twin) again :).
Matt

Trad climber
it's all turtles, all the way dooowwwwwnn!!!!!
Feb 11, 2012 - 01:37am PT
attn: powers that be on ST

i'll make you a deal:
ban all canadian pedophiles, and lowest, and i'll post regularly again.



















(about climbing, even! =)
dogtown

Trad climber
Cheyenne, Wyoming and Marshall Islands atoll.
Feb 11, 2012 - 04:24am PT
I think it’s OK to ban yourself now and again, I did it. But of course I was pretty drunk at the time.
See-ya
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Feb 11, 2012 - 04:49am PT
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Feb 11, 2012 - 06:08am PT
is this the Player Haters Convention?

i nominate buck nasty cuz his coat be made outta his mama's pubic hair,


so who can afford a new computer so they can get a new IP and new email and new login name?

these folks will be easy to spot when they sneak back, believe me,

they will try to hide their writing style for a bit but we know.

yes, we know.

man that toilet thing is gonna give me a hashish nightmare, wtf, over?

sheesh, fatty lost 5 computers in one day, the 4 at the rip off shop and the one he has to throw in the recycle cuz the IP is blacklisted all over the net,

how is he gonna explain the ripple wine at the dinner table to the girlfriend?

like a guy in a cage, don't get too close or he might try and grab yo hair,or worse,


tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Feb 11, 2012 - 07:23am PT
the real irony is that the purge resulted in this thread which is useing up bandwidth, cluttering up the front page and has degenerated into a pathetic mud slingingfest.....
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Feb 11, 2012 - 08:16am PT
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Feb 11, 2012 - 08:18am PT
I haven't read any of this, but any nuking that doesn't include the LEB avatar (old and new) means the blast radius simply wasn't wide enough.
'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
Feb 11, 2012 - 10:47am PT
We're now at 600 posts discussing something in the wrong place. Instead of gloating or harping or ranting here, may I suggest you listen to Chris Mac's video linked immediately below, and offer constructive comments in the appropriate place? He talks about goals of the forum and how he moderates it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EfTgqgJEOPQ

http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1747712/3-Goals-for-SuperTopo-Forum-in-2012-what-are-yours-Video

Chris is trying to do a good job running this McForum, and he explains how and why in the video above. Post some useful comments and suggestions in the other thread, because he will be reading it.

600 posts here, and only 50 on the other thread? That is annoying and lame. This thread has jumped the shark - do us all a favour and let it die.

P.S. I can knott figure out how the hell to embed Chris' video here in my post. If someone can email me instructions I would appreciate it. I copied and pasted the alleged "embed" url from Youtube, but it doesn't work.
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Feb 11, 2012 - 11:17am PT
The video was also posted a few days ago on this thread was it Knott?
'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
Feb 11, 2012 - 11:17am PT
Thanks, Locker. Mucho appreciado.

NOW can we let this thread die????
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Feb 11, 2012 - 11:24am PT
If you want this thread to die, you shouldn't have posted to it. And you shouldn't have posted a video (or tried to) that was posted here several pages ago.

While you see hate on this thread (there is some) several of us have used it to thank Chris - and we did so before he put up the newer thread. It was also used to discuss/inform about five folks that got banned - not just fatty. Suppose we could have started five threads?
go-B

climber
Habakkuk 3:19 Sozo
Feb 11, 2012 - 11:34am PT
RIP, Fattrad ran it out!
redrocker

climber
NV
Feb 11, 2012 - 11:43am PT
From Lolli a few posts back.

As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even to the dull and the ignorant, they too have their story. Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit.



...keep peace in your soul. With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams; it is still a beautiful world.

Worth repeating.




Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Feb 11, 2012 - 11:46am PT
No matter what is going on...

Locker is nearly always GUILTY!
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Feb 11, 2012 - 12:01pm PT
there are only 2 other persons that has given me the tiniest bit of grief
Werner and LEB

HEY NOW!
jstan

climber
Feb 11, 2012 - 12:45pm PT
I watched Chris' excellent video. Along the lines he sketched what do I think we can do to further improve ST?

1. Frequency of posting: When I can, I edit a prior post of mine. Repetitive posting tends to direct a thread. Something to be avoided.

2. Alternatives to posting: Posting involves pulling the public at large into what sometimes should be a discussion between individuals. That totally changes the environment. Both are personal expressions but a PM, if worded carefully with respect for individuality can achieve much more. Just because it is not a public act. This too, however, can easily be overdone.

3. Quitting the Forum: I would be really mortified were I to say publicly how my elevated principles have caused me to quit, but then found I could not stick the landing. But more seriously, such expressions indicate the Forum is being used for self-validation. Ideas, history, knowledge, and discussion is the medium that rewards us the most.

None of us needs personal validation.

Those of us, who are still breathing, have all learned how to tolerate things to which we take exception.

4. MIssed potential: A climber who actually hates the activity, would be a most painful example of missed potential. In 1970 we were witnesses to an act by our community that staggers the mind. When we abandoned the use of pins and took risks with our own lives we selflessly acted for the common good. Each and every person among us did this, on their own.

For forty years I have awoken each morning still unable to figure out how that happened. Just think for a moment. How quickly we could solve the health care problem if that were to happen again.

If used well, the internet would be a tool central to such a meeting of the minds.

A meeting of the minds so badly needed.





Edit after reading Ed's note:

I can't comment on your evaluation of my role. It isn't possible for someone to evaluate their own contributions.

It was at the Trust's climbers' meeting that I sensed the pure determination all those people had. That we would preserve the Gunks. I started out fearing I was just a voice. After that meeting I knew we had a revolution. As you said, then it was just a matter of getting good data on an alternative.

But how was it all of that selfless determination suddenly appeared? Was it from nowhere?

How is that Facelift, suddenly appeared?

apogee

climber
Feb 11, 2012 - 12:53pm PT
Thanks for the wise words, jstan.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Feb 11, 2012 - 12:57pm PT
In 1970 we were witnesses to an act by our community that staggers the mind. When we abandoned the use of pins and took risks with our own lives we selflessly acted for the common good. Each and every person among us did this, on their own.

For forty years I have awoken each morning still unable to figure out how that happened. Just think for a moment. How quickly we could solve the health care problem if that were to happen again.


ah, this is called leadership even if the leader (you in this case) didn't have the explicit affirmation of the community. You were exceptional in both your scientific analytics and your climbing, you figured out what the important aspects of protection by piton and by nut, demonstrated to your satisfaction that nuts would provide adequate protection and then adopted that mode of protection. You did this with members of the community that were respected.

In the hierarchy of climbing, those which show outstanding climbing ability are the leaders, however momentarily they possess those skills. In that moment, you brought both things together.

You don't know how it happened because you didn't think it could have happened any differently than it did, but without you it would have happened over a longer period of time. Others went along because they were not as close to the cutting edge of climbing as you were then, and their protection needs were perceived, rightly or wrongly, as not as severe as yours. In other words, if it was good enough for you, then it was good enough for them.

When it comes down to it, most if not all climbers have little understanding of protection, it is largely a prescription for them... in the rare case that it is figured out, Stannard for nuts, Jardine developed cams, the results were quickly adopted because of the possibilities for the protection were also demonstrated in pushing the boundaries of what was possible.

IMHO



The Facelift didn't just happen, it had been happening in bits for a while, a few people initially doing what they thought was right... and then getting other people to think and realize that we could do something, bit-by-bit, and have an effect

I have friends who don't participate in the Facelift, but do its work all the year 'round, it is, after all, the right thing to do if you are committed to preserving a beloved place.

But someone like Ken, who had credibility in both the NPS and the climbing community could come forward and make the effort coherent, the Facelift. He had the vision to see what was required to bring these different communities together based on the overlap of their values, and it worked.

It didn't just require data, the safety of nut question above, but someone who could identify what the important data was, and to validate the results of the experiment, and explain them to others if only through their own actions.

Tobia

Social climber
GA
Feb 11, 2012 - 01:08pm PT
I just counted 18 non-climbing threads to the front page. I do believe that is an indication of how many "OT" threads are of interest to persons here.

Factor in the variety of different posters to a "OT" thread for a better indicator of "OT" interest. The ratio of # of posts and variety of posters would determine that.

(Not to be used in consideration of the "What Song..." thread.)

Tobia

Social climber
GA
Feb 11, 2012 - 01:45pm PT
I don't really get why certain people get all riled up about LEB. She's never said anything offensive, and posts exclusively in OT threads (the same place the riled up people post - kettle, meet pot). LEB is alright with me..

Its called mob mentality.
apogee

climber
Feb 11, 2012 - 01:46pm PT
"In that context,-"She doesn't climb" is a pretty weak rationale for censuring an individual who doesn't employ malevolent actions."

There have been plenty of 'contributions' by actual climbers that have been far more negative and destructive than anything Lois has ever posted.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Feb 11, 2012 - 06:01pm PT
Just went through (most of) this thread… Found some gems I thought I'd give a thought on…

(at the outset I'd like to claim my undying love for happiegrrrl, Lolli and Crimpergirl. Early on there were posts that I just thought perfectly expressed something I had had either not been able to put into words so elequently or showed me a view that I had not previously considered in a very clear way. And they are beautiful people)


Nature!!! Right on!

"The problem with her is she thinks she's making a point or has something valuable to offer when the reality is she misses the mark. and my observation is most folks react by beating their head against a wall trying to point out her denseness. most of the taco is frustrated with that and would simply like it gone. If it was me and I was on a forum and almost everyone wishes I would just leave.... I'd leave w/o a single word. but again... it's the denseness at play."

 Damn!!! Now that is as clear a statement as I have seen pointing out exactly what the problem is regarding the mindless postings of a non-climber (never have been climber, never will be climber, may not have ever even considered climbing a valid activity/sport pre-ST forum). Thank you very much Nature for your putting a voice to/putting words to the frustrations I think many forum posters have tried to express but may not have in such clear terms.



Locker's-
""Hi Locker, you seem to be curious about the "revenge", it was not exactly revenge. The day I was banned, my office was broken into (4 computers stolen). I did not know that it was a mass banning at the time. So, when asked "who does not like you right now", I offered up CMac and RJ as highly unlikely suspects. And I repeated "highly unlikely". And the building has had several break in the last few months, we only found this out later. So, they will likely not be contacted, but they are on a report. If CMac had given more details as to why I was banned and that others had also been banned, I would never have mentioned his name. You are free to post this to ST if you like. I also wrote to CMac that I didn't mind being banned for the "trangressions" as long as others were as well.""

 If this was really an email from fattard I personally find it to show clearly how much of an idiot he really truly is and I agree with Locker. Why would the names need to be brought into the matter (a.k.a having no connection)

Recent break in (may or may not be total BS as most of us seem to know)
A break in that involves local police and when asked "who does not like you right now" the only people to come off the tongue of this upright citizen is CMac and RJ? For real? No really? Wait, ow I see where I am wrong… I usually wait to be presented with evidence before I start making claims such as this…. to the authorities…. (if it is true at all).

If it is true that fattard is at the same time: a guy who adopts children and gives to charities while also being an online virtual c#&% and adding random peoples names to police reports without any real evidence…. I think this should show that the supertopo is literally a better place without fattard.


bvb -

"My favorite Fattrad pathology was his insisitance on repeatedly reposting images of "Certificates" and "Letters of Appreciation" from low-level municipal functionaries. I have mountains of those things, only they came to me by way of the Deputy Director of the Secret Service, a personal letter from Secretary Rumsfeld, etc.

Didn't hang on to a single one of 'em. meh. They didn't hold half the water as, say, an offhand, personal, C4 compliment from Walt Shipley or Duecy or Kevin or Tucker. Those were way harder to come by, and infinately more valuable.

Fattrad, indeed."

 Perfect description of the menace fattard


Malemute
"If you are impervious to logic & reason, then you are dense.
If you need to self-validate through an internet forum, you are pathetic."


Clearly stated and sharp as a razor.



After reading this thread…. and finally writing on a ST forum without the tardness of the fattard…. I can finally say this is a form of tooling that is oh so fitting of the tool known as fattard. Fattard may now consider himself publicly tooled. I find it kind of ironic that the guy who mentioned tooling others all the f*#king time is now receiving the tool. After all, her is a tool.




Jingy - total 5994 forum postings found.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 11, 2012 - 06:14pm PT
wow jingy

nice summaries, all seem spot on
Matt

Trad climber
it's all turtles, all the way dooowwwwwnn!!!!!
Feb 11, 2012 - 09:50pm PT
despite what her defenders would say, it's not who lowest IS, but what lowest DOES that drives people nuts:

http://www.supertopo.com/forumsearch.php?ftr=loisification
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Feb 11, 2012 - 10:37pm PT
Thanks, jstan. I second Ed's evaluation of your contribution to clean climbing. Even though I never met you personally until Facelift a couple of years ago, I knew about you and your leadership in clean climbing from at least 1970. I think Chouinard's introduction of stoppers and hexes, as well as Doug Robinson's article in the 1972 Chouinard catalog, coupled with Tom Frost's article in the AAJ all helped, too. I think the clincher was that the climbers I most admired were climbing clean, other than on aid first ascents.

I'm not sure how this translates to this forum, though, because I'm not quite sure who the leaders are. I do know that your posts and Ed's have a lot of admirers including me, but there are so many others whose posts or threads I read simply because they posted them, that it's hard to pick just a few. Unfortunately, I don't see anyone with the stature that you had in the east, or, say, Robbins had for me, to emulate.


Maybe we can begin with Chris, who keeps this campfire going. I thought he did a good job in his video as well. A little editing and self-restraint would go a long way on most of the problems.

We also need to consider that most climbers (at least most that I know, including me) have a certain rebellious, anarchic, distaste for regimentation, so more rigidity or stronger moderation doesn't strike me as a good change.

Again, thanks for your usual, insightful, comments.

John
apogee

climber
Feb 11, 2012 - 10:49pm PT
John Stannard

(Hope I'm not outing you, jstan.)
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Feb 12, 2012 - 12:09am PT
I vote for keeping LEB around simply because she is so easy to ignore, and she adds value for those rare times when I am so bored and at loose ends that teasing a small kitten with some catnip on a string actually has entertainment value.
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Feb 12, 2012 - 12:17am PT
Trust me LEB, anything I have to say to you will be right here, for the benefit of my peers, visible to all in the cold public light of day.
apogee

climber
Feb 12, 2012 - 12:24am PT
Not really...there are plenty of bvb groupies around who've got his back.

Anybody got your back, Lois?
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Feb 12, 2012 - 12:25am PT
apogee

climber
Feb 12, 2012 - 12:31am PT
That picture can't be Lois. The ForeheadPhallus® is missing.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Feb 12, 2012 - 12:32am PT
"The wild west and animal farm can only last so long ......"

Well said Werner. Classic.

This is what the forum is about, IMO. Climbing and BS... they sort of go together. And I like (though don't really know) most of the posters.

ChrisMac, my hat's off to you, but don't clean up too much.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Feb 12, 2012 - 12:33am PT
Matt

Trad climber
it's all turtles, all the way dooowwwwwnn!!!!!
Feb 12, 2012 - 12:43am PT
whatever-
at times this forum can be kinda cool-
but it also kinda does really SUCK in some ways-

and one of the biggest ways (THE BIGGEST WAY?) it sucks is you (lois)








no offense or anything, just calling a spade a spade.


have at it, once someone pisses all over their spot, and it stinks like them, who cares about that spot? seriously.


so lowest, it's all yours.
Jim Clipper

climber
from: forests to tree farms
Feb 12, 2012 - 12:44am PT
Hey BVB, missing the politricks?

That photo? Flashback to the 80's or was it early 90's? History NEArly has a way of repeating itself, at least I hope not.
apogee

climber
Feb 12, 2012 - 12:51am PT
'starting' to take up bandwidth?

Dooood, this thread crossed the 500 mark less than 20 hours from it's origination!

strangeday

Trad climber
Brea ca.
Feb 12, 2012 - 01:26am PT
Wow, I actually go climbing for a few days, and come back to this....

One of the things I like about this forum is the level of self control and decency that 95% of the posters have. It's quite rare to find a forum that is essentially un-moderated. I rarely post much, but do lurk quite a bit. The last few months, things have gotten to the point where I've been avoiding the forum, because the incessant bickering that goes on in the OT threads seemed to be spilling over into the relevant threads. The level of civility that used to be present here has been lacking. Hopefully everybody can check their egos, go back to playing nice, and realize that we are guests of CMac here, and we play by his rules. There are plenty of other forums where photoshopping a dick on someone's forehead is not only allowed, but encouraged... Maybe some people should go post there.
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Feb 12, 2012 - 01:59am PT
maybe people should not tell other people what to do,

especially total strangers,

strangeday

Trad climber
Brea ca.
Feb 12, 2012 - 02:42am PT
Oh yeah, this is the Internet, it's serious business....
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Feb 12, 2012 - 04:57am PT
whats your jingi?

jstan

climber
Feb 12, 2012 - 06:28am PT
I woke up in a cold sweat. Somehow I sensed that Apogee had outed me. All the trouble I went to in order to have an encrypted avatar - wasted.

(Actually I was just copying RGold. As always, he succeeded where I failed. No one knows who Goldstone is. The truth? He considers the question completely unimportant. { That's the way it is with algebraic topolgists.} )

Caylor has it right though. Who someone is makes no difference as long as you are running your life as you think is right. Each person is their own judge and jury. That's a hard job though. Have to work at it each and every day.

I wonder if the idea "no control is needed on the internet" is part of a search for ultimate freedom. Some sort of idealized concept. A concept idealized to the point of becoming meaningless. What's the reward for being a slave to the "search for freedom"? I need help. Have not figured that out.

Following your own chosen path, and changing it when the need arises, seems good.


A thought on the atmosphere here.

If you close your hand into a fist, you will meet only people who are ready to fight.

Why do this?

Tobia

Social climber
GA
Feb 12, 2012 - 08:16am PT
Cragman,

I hadn't finished my first cup of coffee when I looked at your post, I had to get a paper towel to wipe my screen off to clarify.
Rankin

Social climber
Greensboro, North Carolina
Feb 12, 2012 - 10:20am PT
Time for a little...

[Click to View YouTube Video]
Slakkey

Big Wall climber
From Back to Big Wall Baby
Feb 12, 2012 - 10:26am PT
Coz nails it.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Feb 12, 2012 - 10:30am PT
Coz...the voice of reason.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Feb 12, 2012 - 11:52am PT
making a comment or two ON TOPIC when it is relevant.


 Except that "total 21486 forum postings found"….
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Feb 12, 2012 - 11:56am PT
Give Fatty a chance....sure he's a blowhard for the political right but he can be generous, as anyone who has been to Facelift can attest to.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Feb 12, 2012 - 12:11pm PT
donini - One's generosity is not a good reason for keeping them around and it does not excuse them for being a virtual dickhead.

From the looks of it fattard seems to be taking this in stride. Or haven't you heard? Fattard does not need supertopo. He can make plenty of money anywhere he goes because he is an able bodied human being.

And I think that supertopo has shown that it does not need fattard. Much like a surgeon Chris extracted the tumor with a scalpel. If Chris was more like fattard he might have used a chainsaw and let the chips fall where they may.


nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2012 - 12:17pm PT
The tone on supertopo has changed with his absence. It's less negative. Maybe not by much.

I've not read hardly anyone saying to not let him back. But he needs a good long time out in my opinion. CMac is making a point and that point gets defeated if we were to all team up and vote for him back on the island in short order.

How long of a time out is long enough? IT's better for everyone really. Fatty needs to think long and hard about why his actions got him booted. He seems to not understand it. He needs to otherwise he won't change.

That is evident in TheTools posting - nothing changed.


as far as skipt goes - he should be gone for good. The other two.... not sure.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 12, 2012 - 12:38pm PT
LEB...I don't know if i would call Jingy judgemental...? Maybe analytical and deep thinking...I notice that he applies the same scrutiny for himself on occasion....RJ
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 12, 2012 - 12:39pm PT
That's the same noise fartrad makes from his gassy pepsi and twinky diet...Some people liken it to a chainsaw...RJ
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Feb 12, 2012 - 12:39pm PT
That was a good rip Hank.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 12, 2012 - 12:44pm PT
That's why ya don't wanna climb below me.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Feb 12, 2012 - 12:45pm PT
LEB wrote: You are certainly rather judgmental of anyone and everyone.


The pot calling the kettle black. You are beyond belief.
apogee

climber
Feb 12, 2012 - 12:53pm PT
nature +1

If/when fattrad comes back, I do hope his persona adjusts a bit. I have no problem with his CapitalistRepug Cheney's-my-buddy stuff...the shift that occurred about a year ago, with the constant 8th grade namecalling ('moron' ,'piece of crap'), needs to be reset. fattrad is such a prolific poster that this kind of repetition does have an effect on the tone here. He needs to acknowledge that, take responsibility for it, and change it.
apogee

climber
Feb 12, 2012 - 01:01pm PT
Don't do it, Bob!

She's taunting you, like Scylla and Charybdis!

Resist! Resist! Resist!!!
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Feb 12, 2012 - 01:01pm PT
LEB wrote: You are certainly rather judgmental of anyone and everyone. Seems just about all of your posts are commentaries on how terrible xyz person is. If it is not one person you rale against, it is yet another. It would occur to me that you could be a little less inclined to ever cast forth stones.




Here's a start...just two post ago.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Feb 12, 2012 - 01:05pm PT
Now I understand how hippos kill more people than crocodiles.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 12, 2012 - 01:08pm PT
It sounded like a kid said "AWESOME!" at the end of that fart video.
Roughster

Sport climber
Vacaville, CA
Feb 12, 2012 - 01:09pm PT
LEB: When was the last time you went climbing or contributed to a climbing related topic?

Everyone should be asking this every time you post.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Feb 12, 2012 - 01:30pm PT
Malamute,
So by your premise, I shouldn't post here?

I haven't posted a TR in two years and haven't climbed for one year, ACL.

I like shooting the sh#t with people about a wide variety of topics.

I've been a climber for twenty years. Does my recent non involvement in the pursuit somehow relegate me to 'shouldn't be here' status?

Is it wrong that I start OT threads with people who have been posting with me for eight years because my body fights back when I climb?

Riddle me that.
apogee

climber
Feb 12, 2012 - 01:30pm PT
Resist!

Resist!

Resist!!!!!!!1111
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Feb 12, 2012 - 01:31pm PT
Walling Edit:

JIngy (and some of the other giddy Libs) do you really thing you ought to be dancing on his grave?

 Uh…….., yes? What if I don't care one way or the other? Does that change anything? So I express a little joy over not having to deal with your name-dropping political running-mate. (he made sure to mention your name and John Long's in enough posts to earn the title). Hopefully, when I get the boot bluetard, letard, skiptard and youtard will have your chance to do the dance too. Good riddance.

Your posting history is a little thin on climbing related content and you sling the sh#t and insults pretty good in the polytard threads.

 You are correct. I haven't been climbing in nearly a year, maybe more. Maybe you haven't heard, I'm really shaky these days and I have no balance and most strenuous activity leads to about a week of pain. These days I have to do my climbing through the camera lens of the folks posting to the supertopo.
It is a sad f*#king existence, I know. But I can't just die!!! I've still got a job to do and that means I have health insurance, which means I have a lot of bills to pay…. Isn't that reason enough to stick around?
Tell you what… You find me a post that I have slung sh#t and insults in, post the date and time and I'll get 5 times the amount which fattard slung sh#t and insults in the same period of time. Here, fattard stands alone with his insults and slung sh#t.

Think about it. Are your lies better than his lies?

 C'mon…. Please, post up date and time of lies posted by Jingy? You only have to go through a few thousand posts to find it. (also, this implies that both Jingy and fattard "lie" that Russ Walling knows of. Since I know that I don't, I see this as "fattard knowingly lies all the time and Russ Walling knows it.")


Is your constant braying for your "side" really any better than his braying?

 No, of course not. My writing is no better than anyone's writing. fattard and I may be passionate about polar opposites of the political spectrum. That makes us equals. But I'm still glad he's gone.


Is your posting legacy that of an astute political thinker laying out ideas and philosophies in an intelligent fashion, or are you just a megaphone for "your" team?

 Now your getting somewhere. To answer the first part: Simply NO.
Do I present myself as "astute"? Have I ever? You've met me.. I'm not that bright, am I? Do I really present myself as having ideas and philosophies and present them intelligently? I do not think so and I hope that others don't either- If so, please don't read too much into what is written on a screen. There may just be a complete nobody on the other end feebly writing just as mindlessly as anyone else.
What if I told you that I don't think of myself as "better" than anyone else? Would that change your mind about me?
What if I told you that I feel that I have a pretty healthy idea of who I am and exactly how insignificant I am, in the grand scheme of things. That does not bother me. It is exactly because I have this view that I am able to see people for who they are rather than what they are hyped to be or the image that they project. fattard may be your friend, but that only says something about who you keep as your friend (something you have some control over - who you think of as "friend") but to others he was/is a complete ass.

Hope this explains things a little better (something many people never really do until it's too late, then they slip into the "misunderstood" category and… I don't want to be in there). Plus - There are daily reminders of Why Republicans are so wrong about everything…. so I post up.
WBraun

climber
Feb 12, 2012 - 01:36pm PT
The dog Malemute is just another whiny bitch.

This place is a wasteland of whiny bitchy complainers ....
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Feb 12, 2012 - 01:38pm PT
Yeah, I thought you were needlessly mad-dogging me.

Cheers.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Feb 12, 2012 - 01:38pm PT
hey troll - Either show me an example or STFU. Please be sure to post up date and time so that we all know how far you had to go back.

Your just like a plastic bag stuck in a tree at this point
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Feb 12, 2012 - 01:50pm PT
nature +1

If/when fattrad comes back, I do hope his persona adjusts a bit. I have no problem with his CapitalistRepug Cheney's-my-buddy stuff...the shift that occurred about a year ago, with the constant 8th grade namecalling ('moron' ,'piece of crap'), needs to be reset. fattrad is such a prolific poster that this kind of repetition does have an effect on the tone here. He needs to acknowledge that, take responsibility for it, and change it.


Apogee, you and Doug are an excercise in hypocritical censorship. It only needs to go away when you disagree with it.

There are other names for this, of course. People like you are very dangerous to a free and open society.

And your glee in seeing their censorship is very troubling. F*#king sad actually.

Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Feb 12, 2012 - 01:54pm PT
The dog fight of inflexible mind pitted against inflexible mind only results in increasing rancor and name calling (whether of the openly vulgar or more overlooked but just as insidious passive aggressive sort). Status quo = personal vendettas, factions yelling at each other louder and louder, neither side winning converts.

Exactly. There are probably many people on ST who would like to participate in discussions about politics and religion. I certainly would. But as long as the inflexible minds on both sides just keep screaming, what is the point?

CMac's booting of one such person is a step in the right direction. If he'd deactivate a couple more, then maybe it would be possible to have a rational discussion/debate. But as you say, inflexible mind vs. inflexible mind instantly kills that possibility. As things now stand, looking into the political forums is the internet equivalent of being forced to listen to fingernails scraping on blackboards -- amplified to 11.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Feb 12, 2012 - 01:55pm PT
JHB
Fatty and crew typify the intellectual dishonesty inherent to the "debates" engaged in on this and most every internet forum or news outlet I have observed. Nobody is entering discussions with the idea of learning something new and examining their own stances. That would be weakness, getting outmaneuvered.
Very well said.
Unfortunately this is also true of the so-called "national discourse" at the moment. The frequent idiocy around here is just a reflection of our elected (or selected by the Big Givers) representatives and Faux News.
fatty, skipt and others who are still here merely parrot what they see and hear.

The worst of it is that these are the same propaganda tactics that were used by the Nazis to take over Germany and Italy. Democratically.

A lot of it started with the demonization of the Others by Reagan's most ardent supporters. And each time the Democrats have been in ascendency the Right Wing fanaticism has gotten sharper and more ideological.
I found it discouraging and not at all surprising that Huntsman, the most rational of the recent candidates was never taken seriously. I think Trump and Palin each had more support.
William F Buckley and even Goldwater are turning over in their graves.

EDIT: when I say Faux News, I mean to imply the myriad so-called "news" outlets of similar "ilk".
stevep

Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
Feb 12, 2012 - 01:57pm PT
I've never met Fattrad personally, but we had a couple of good exchanges via PM, and he has more than once provided a semi-thoughtful answer to a serious post.

But it had been kind of going downhill lately. Too many "Tool" posts. Trolling occasionally is one thing. Trolling constantly is annoying.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Feb 12, 2012 - 02:09pm PT
So skipt and Fatty get banned but not Dr.F and Norton???

I smell partisan bullsh#t.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Feb 12, 2012 - 02:16pm PT
Blue...So skipt and Fatty get banned but not Dr.F and Norton???

I smell partisan bullsh#t.


Yes...CMac is a socialist, commie, longhaired hippie who doesn't like far right wing whack jobs...what's your point? :-)
apogee

climber
Feb 12, 2012 - 02:24pm PT
"...you and Doug are an excercise in hypocritical censorship. It only needs to go away when you disagree with it."

First of all....'exercise'.

bluering, you have blatantly exhibited your ignorance (chosen or unintended) of my perspective on fattrad. Consistently, I've posted that I'd like to see fattrad return, and that while his persona has devolved over the last year or so, he is an important part of this 'community', even if I don't agree with his ideology (RepugCapitalist). My support of his return has clearly been in contrast to the rest of those you would consider to be my ideologic kin (and no doubt has not endeared me).

No, you've chosen to retain your kneejerk view, even if all facts are obviously to the contrary. Whatever, dude.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Feb 12, 2012 - 02:25pm PT
CMac's booting of one such person is a step in the right direction. If he'd deactivate a couple more, then maybe it would be possible to have a rational discussion/debate

How many is enough? Until we all sing the same tune in lock-step? Is that the goal?

I can understand some banning, but use uniform standards on a rational basis.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Feb 12, 2012 - 02:27pm PT
bluey
also FortMental
non-partisan censorship.
Apparently based upon CMac's opinion of who's gotten too far past the social norms of decency.
Whatever they are.
Or perhaps for taking up too much bandwidth, however that is measured.
CMac hasn't really been specific.
Perhaps his advertisers have complained?

As you know, others have previously been nuked for "pornography", which is of course in the eyes of the beholder.
At least one of the "pornographers" has been allowed back. Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!

EDIT: locker: right on cue!!
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 12, 2012 - 02:35pm PT
Nice, Locker


Keep testing the limits

I would hate to lose my running mate.
apogee

climber
Feb 12, 2012 - 02:40pm PT
Dude, you are sooooo on the edge right now...
tornado

climber
lawrence kansas
Feb 12, 2012 - 02:45pm PT
How many is enough? Until we all sing the same tune in lock-step? Is that the goal?

I can understand some banning, but use uniform standards on a rational basis.




When all of the folks who have made ten's of thousands of posts that have nothing to do with climbing have been deactivated it will be enough. If I want the opinion of some old fat people who do not climb I could hang out at a doughnut shop.


Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 12, 2012 - 02:48pm PT
Because maybe they were not seen
by the wrong people, until now?
apogee

climber
Feb 12, 2012 - 02:51pm PT
Awright, buddy...just tryin' to get your back...

Carry on.
monolith

climber
albany,ca
Feb 12, 2012 - 02:52pm PT
Norton's right. Bettabe careful in this thread.
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2012 - 02:54pm PT
it's too bad blue didn't pay enough attention to see exactly why skipt got axed. it's too bad he's so blinded by the infighting between different political opinions to see the bigger picture. not surprising... just too bad.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Feb 12, 2012 - 02:55pm PT
When all of the folks who have made ten's of thousands of posts that have nothing to do with climbing have been deactivated it will be enough. If I want the opinion of some old fat people who do not climb I could hang out at a doughnut shop.


Do you have any clue as to the veracity of that statement? Fatty and skipt would post climbing stuff. Moreso than Bob, Dr.F, and Norton.

WTF???
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Feb 12, 2012 - 03:00pm PT
Blue, you need to breathe for a second and remember that not everyone in the world sees things politically.

It was an even split, left and right, that got the boot. Probably a calculated decision on Chris's part.

All of the bootees got it for a valid reason, I'm sure.

Quit playing war games.
apogee

climber
Feb 12, 2012 - 03:02pm PT
bluering, why don't you explain your take on why fattrad, FortMental, Wescrist & skipt got the boot.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Feb 12, 2012 - 03:11pm PT
bluering, why don't you explain your take on why fattrad, FortMental, Wescrist & skipt got the boot.


Easy. Fatty was too political all the time (mostly), Fort put up porn, and Wes was just a nasty man who hurled insults without justification.
apogee

climber
Feb 12, 2012 - 03:12pm PT
And how about skipt?
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Feb 12, 2012 - 03:15pm PT
Ron, you posted that shot a few times and it is creepy as it is a little kid... most of lockers shots do not offend me but keep the kids out of it please. thank you.
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Feb 12, 2012 - 03:16pm PT
How many is enough? Until we all sing the same tune in lock-step? Is that the goal?

Blue, your comment was a direct response to my suggestion that while booting one person who derailed discourse was a good start, a couple more deactivations would be even better.

Why you chose to interpret that as meaning "a couple more with the same political view" is beyond me. That is not what I was talking about, and if you'd taken even one miinute of time to think about it, you'd have known that.

What I am asking for is a chance to have a rational discussion and debate about political ideas. How is that even possible when one "side" is kicked out and everybody still left all have the same view? What's to debate if you and I agree on everything?

No, what I would like is for the shreikers to be deactivated. Whatever their political view.

D
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Feb 12, 2012 - 03:17pm PT


Apogee, you and Doug are an excercise in hypocritical censorship. It only needs to go away when you disagree with it.

 I hate to bring this up… But this site not only is a great place to get information on climbing/share a tale/bash politards… it's also a business.. is it not? I mean the site does have to pay for its self right? I'd hate to think that CMac was going into debt to keep this site running…


So, consider it this way: CMac owns a restaurant which he kicks someone out (right to refuses service) for any reason he chooses.
That is just one of the problems with the idea of freedom of speech while inside a business: With it comes responsibility.

I know I may need to explain more for some out there, but c'mon… really?
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Feb 12, 2012 - 03:26pm PT
What I am asking for is a chance to have a rational discussion and debate about political ideas. How is that even possible when one "side" is kicked out and everybody still left all have the same view? What's to debate if you and I agree on everything?

No, what I would like is for the shreikers to be deactivated. Whatever their political view.

An honest man would agree that Dr.F, Bob, and Norton be included in that club.

Maybe even myself. I do post a bunch of "world affairs", but I have been known to post more climbing stuff than say, someone like Jingy, right?

Even Malemute or yourself MUST agree...it's undeniable, and that is what pisses me off!!!
apogee

climber
Feb 12, 2012 - 03:27pm PT
"Easy. Fatty was too political all the time (mostly), Fort put up porn, and Wes was just a nasty man who hurled insults without justification."


And how about skipt?
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Feb 12, 2012 - 03:33pm PT
that shot looks like a 12yr old...
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Feb 12, 2012 - 03:36pm PT
Skipt did contribute about his exploits as a back-country SAR ranger. More than Norton or Dr.F did. Or Gary, or Bob, or many. He is a climber.

I think you know I'm right. But you'll never admit it. And neither will CMac.

It's his site, his rules. But they just seem to be lop-sided.
apogee

climber
Feb 12, 2012 - 03:37pm PT
Why do you think skipt got the boot?

Edit: Are you dodging the question, or do you not have any guess? (Not that anyone except CMac knows for sure, mind you...)
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2012 - 03:38pm PT
no I don't think you are right at all.

I think you are blind. always have.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Feb 12, 2012 - 03:46pm PT
Yes Blue....you are so right about Skip and his contributions to climbing and this site. He has contribute way more than Dr.F and me put together.

The same way you were right about Herman Cain and Donald Trump. You have an incredible knack for being WRONG almost all the time.


bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Feb 12, 2012 - 03:47pm PT
Son a bitch!!!! I agree with Rocky.

no I don't think you are right at all.

I think you are blind. always have.


You really are a sanctimonious piece of work, aren't ya? You know all the right answers (you'd like to think).

Ya know, Cmac just made this place the hell-hole he was trying to divert.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Feb 12, 2012 - 03:51pm PT
Ya know, Cmac just made this place the hell-hole he was trying to divert.



Please explain?

(I'm not seeing it your way (no hell hole that I can see)
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Feb 12, 2012 - 03:57pm PT
I don't think it's a "Hell-hole" at all...

I think it's one of the best sites/forums for CLIMBERS...

;-)

It used to be....

apogee

climber
Feb 12, 2012 - 03:59pm PT
No answer, huh?

Doesn't seem like a very difficult question, blue.

Why do you think skipt got the boot? Any guess, whatsoever?
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Feb 12, 2012 - 04:04pm PT
[Click to View YouTube Video]
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2012 - 04:06pm PT
It used to be...

don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Feb 12, 2012 - 04:10pm PT
don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out



 Couldn't have said it better….
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Feb 12, 2012 - 04:11pm PT
No answer, huh?

Doesn't seem like a very difficult question, blue.

Why do you think skipt got the boot? Any guess, whatsoever?


I have no idea.

And yeah, I bet Doug would love to see me go. What does that say about you, bra?

donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Feb 12, 2012 - 04:16pm PT
I don't think it's gotten better. It seems to me that there are more non-climbing threads than ever. Climbing threads disappear quickly because of the paucity of posts that they get. I wish there was something better out there, but that doesn't appear to be the case.
ST is also a little too California/centric for my taste. The wonderful thing about climbing is how it brings people from different cultures and countries together, and you don't get much of that on ST, and, if you did, those kind of threads would quickly disappear from the first page.
Those criticisms aside, I guess it's still the best place to go.

edit: Chris is doing his best, he delivers a lecture about OT threads from time to time. It's an open forum and people vote with their posts.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Feb 12, 2012 - 04:18pm PT
fattrad, FM, skipt, weschrist are gone.
Now let's turn on bluey

Lord Of The Flies
TwistedCrank

climber
Ideeho-dee-do-dah-day boom-chicka-boom-chicka-boom
Feb 12, 2012 - 04:48pm PT
Damn.

I go climbing one day and skiing the next, only to return to see that Fattrad got nuked and the drama factor has gone stratospheric.

Fack. I should have stayed home and glued to the computer.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Feb 12, 2012 - 04:59pm PT
is it still winter?
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Feb 12, 2012 - 05:03pm PT
I love everyone, and hope the hate-train derails.

I dislike some people's thoughts, and let that be known.

I love reading others thoughts, and let that be known as well.

Let's keep with both the on and off topic thoughts, and still derail the hate-train.

Civility is the new coolness.
Nibs

Trad climber
Humboldt, CA
Feb 12, 2012 - 05:11pm PT
For about 24 hours after the whack-a-mole event the forum rose to its potential, IMO. Even the political thread became a constructive discussion with John E holding forth as the rational conservative. The thread was interesting for a change before falling off the front page. For that moment (Friday evening?) threads on the front page were climbing related; the mood positive.

How quickly we have descended back to the lowest common denominator…
It is interesting to see who was whacked versus those not; but Blue, if you are going to look at it through political specs then it really seems a fairly even split.

Mostly a lurker here now, I posted more in the beginning of the forum. When the “real deal” guys and gals started showing up here I thought it was time to shut up and listen. I have regreted my reactionary posts since. The forum I would like to see is what we had for that brief moment where people post their best stuff.
Regardless I am, like others, addicted to this place. Hi, my name is Gary, and I am an ST addict.

[Edit] +1 derail the hate train
apogee

climber
Feb 12, 2012 - 05:25pm PT
I'm pretty much in agreement with you regarding fattrad, FortMental and Wescrist. With Wes & FM, it seems likely it was related primarily to graphics that stepped over the line (LEBPhallusHead, Sarah Vagi-Palin face)- sure, they both had some negativity in their tone, but Wes in particular contributed tons of climbing content.

With fattrad & skipt, the rationale seems different- they were both prolific posters, and their tone had become very, very negative.

Whether any of these guys were climbers, how much they posted about climbing, which political side of the fence they were on...is completely besides the point. You seem to want to see these boots as some kind of political conspiracy against the poor, oppressed ST Republicans. Stop being a victim, bluering. You're smarter than that.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Feb 12, 2012 - 05:46pm PT
No, Russ… I agree… I really am just as bad as fattard..

except I didn't get the boot and fattard did… and though I am not really dancing.. I am kinda giddy that your name-dropping running-mate is out (even if it is only a few days).

Sorry Russ… were you two… close?
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Feb 12, 2012 - 05:48pm PT
Nibs, nice post. F*#k off now! Hehe...

Apogee, you simply refuse to dwell on my point. Why are Dr.F, Norton, and Bob still here???

There are symptoms of the the exact same "problem".

It was never a "problem" in my book. But all these asshats bitch when their bidding isn't heard loudly enough.

You people can go f*#k yourselves. You seem to enjoy it....
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Feb 12, 2012 - 05:57pm PT
just like bluetard….

keeping it positive



Leading by example, right?
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 12, 2012 - 06:09pm PT
Where's Cosmic....? Did he get banned de looped...? RJ
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Feb 12, 2012 - 06:10pm PT
just like bluetard….

keeping it positive



Leading by example, right?

Have I ever claimed to be "positive"??? I lead a life of positivity, but I DO grow negative when asshats like you have free reign of discussion.

You have the right, but I also have the right to debate that, or that what you're alluding to is bullshit!

EDIT:

In the name of Jesus Christ, Locker, you have forgotten....You people fail to remember history and how it all starts out.

It doesn't start with bullets.

rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 12, 2012 - 06:12pm PT
Norton got banned some time ago for using the N word to describe XYZ and Obama , then came back....RJ
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2012 - 06:14pm PT
For the record, blue. This post is the reason why skipt got the boot.

"Early signs of dementia....Did they teach you critical thinking in math school?...Are you just stupid? Or, maybe an old man jacks off to pics of women with penis' coming out of their head.

You use selective reading, Jstan. And, it isn't pretty.

BTW, Name the president in office when the war in Vietnam ended.

You are clueless, Mr. Alzheimer."


there's no politics in there. it's vile hatred. it's disgusting and has NO place on this forum. He has other comparable gems. 99% of the time this is the kind of posts he made on this forum.

as far as fatty goes the reason he got booted is because he took his childish and overplayed name calling schtick into the wrong thread. A thread CMac started.

but you can go on believing it's political. I'm sure you will.

as far as do I want to see you gone? none of my statements are in regards to that nor do they suggest that. They are observations made directly regarding your posts. if this place sucks so bad I fail to see why you are here. keep complaining and then bitch that others want you gone. wouldn't be outside of your MO.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Feb 12, 2012 - 06:21pm PT
as far as do I want to see you gone? none of my statements are in regards to that nor do they suggest that. They are observations made directly regarding your posts. if this place sucks so bad I fail to see why you are here. keep complaining and then bitch that others want you gone. wouldn't be outside of your MO.

I used to like you, man. And I probably stll could. But you seem to be abhorrent to disagreement in politics. Which is kinda ironic.

I disagree with you, so you being gone is good, despite the idiotic reasons.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Feb 12, 2012 - 06:24pm PT
Blue...you are so right, Dr F, Norton and me should be banned for stating facts.


Blue wrote: Have I ever claimed to be "positive"??? I lead a life of positivity, but I DO grow negative when asshats like you have free reign of discussion.

I have no doubt that you are a bigger pussy in real life than the one you portray here.

nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2012 - 06:24pm PT
still stuck on the politics? predicted.

and don't worry about liking me. it matters not to me.

I separate myself from people with a negative vibration. you qualify.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 12, 2012 - 06:25pm PT
Good point about Bluering , Werner...His long hair can't hide his redneck and his postings are as close to a parking lot ass-whupping - beatdown one can come without flying to Kentucky...RJ
klk

Trad climber
cali
Feb 12, 2012 - 06:44pm PT
again, since some folks seem to have missed both the old and new math: cmac whacked four avatars. two of those avatars are known for their liberal politics. two of them are known for their conservative politics. all four had drawn attention for abrasiveness aside from their politics.

i note that in the aftermath, there are far fewer political threads and more climbing threads. more to the point, fewer of the climbing threads seem to be getting hijacked by gratuitous partisan flackery. my guess is that won't last, but maybe we can get another round of whacking.

when tocqueville came to america some two centuries ago, he was amazed at the way americans carried on about god and politics. i hold no hope that we will successfully banish politics from st or any other site. i do prefer that the politard threads not be overwhelming; that the partisan flacking not get dragged out into climbing threads; and that folks get held to some sort of nastiness standard.

i'm not crazy about the post-hippy culture of entitlement that enables some of the crap we see on here. good on cmac for bringing the hammer down.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Feb 12, 2012 - 06:46pm PT
still stuck on the politics? predicted.

and don't worry about liking me. it matters not to me.

I separate myself from people with a negative vibration. you qualify.


Look in the mirror, as#@&%e! Do you really post climbing-related sh#t anymore?

I don't have a problem with that personally, but maybe you should STFU in that regard.

Asshole!
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2012 - 06:47pm PT
classic.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 12, 2012 - 06:49pm PT
again, since some folks seem to have missed both the old and new math: cmac whacked four avatars. two of those avatars are known for their liberal politics. two of them are known for their conservative politics. all four had drawn attention for abrasiveness aside from their politics.


seems even handed to me

don't see how it can be seen as favoring any particular political leaning
bmacd

Mountain climber
100% Canadian
Feb 12, 2012 - 06:50pm PT
another round of account deletions please Chris - almost there ^^^^
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 12, 2012 - 06:54pm PT
I disagree


Blue Ring calling someone an ass hole or a faggot or a communist is him just having fun.

Blue is fair and even handed and would not say those things unless he really meant it.

nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2012 - 06:55pm PT
Norton +1
apogee

climber
Feb 12, 2012 - 06:58pm PT
"...you simply refuse to dwell on my point. Why are Dr.F, Norton, and Bob still here???"

bluering, you continue to want to view this event as though CMac, the unfair, oppressive liberal crushed the evil Republicans.

It's not about politics, blue...it's about business. CMac & co have been remarkably restrained in their moderation efforts for a long, long time (did you watch his video? It's pretty good & enlightening), and made a decision that the negativity had become so significant it was degrading ST as a whole. He drew a line, and the 4 people he chose were significant contributors to the negativity.

Sure...there's quite a few more who have had similar negative contributions, including you & I. But a line was drawn, and those 4 were on the other side of it. It's unfortunate...I think at least 1 or 2 of them could 'reform' their presence here...but it's not a conspiracy. Complaining that XX or YY should've got the boot only makes you look like a whiney victim.

Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Feb 12, 2012 - 07:04pm PT
Have I ever claimed to be "positive"??? I lead a life of positivity, but I DO grow negative when asshats like you have free reign of discussion.


 Is it me or does it seem that... the words being used by bluerag......

Do I have free reign of discussion?


Like I've tried to say many times (today at least) I really do not think of myself as better than anyone.
I'm not smarter.
I'm not the leader of anything...

Please Bluehand... take off of that pedestal. Because even if its just in your head that I am greater than you (when I am not) it can sometimes come off as you are lesser.... when you write like that.

I'm just sayin'





Locker Edit:
and he CLIMBS!!!...

 You call that climbing?
WBraun

climber
Feb 12, 2012 - 07:43pm PT
There's not hate.

It's just a bunch of drama queens arguing.

People read into this bullsh!t so far and believe it .....
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Feb 12, 2012 - 07:56pm PT
What a junk show....
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Feb 12, 2012 - 07:58pm PT
I'm somewhat reluctant to post this here, but I learned that if I prayed for patience, God would send me situations that would try my patience. The only way I know to distill patience is to practice the discipline of patience until it becomes internal.

While I remain uncomfortable with the four recent nukes, maybe the message from all this is to practice some of that patience before we hit the "Post this Reply" button.

John
BASE104

climber
An Oil Field
Feb 12, 2012 - 08:01pm PT
I want my own reality show.

It will be all about losing touch with reality.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Feb 12, 2012 - 08:01pm PT
Werner nails it!

But what he, and you simple SOB's, fail to realize is that this is how censorship starts.

I realize you all dislike me, demonize me, and castigate me. Fine. But you cast no aspirgens upon truely hateful people, do you? You people are really looking through the looking glass without looking at yourselves and that what is close to you.

You are blind and guiding this country wrongly.



I'm somewhat reluctant to post this here, but I learned that if I prayed for patience, God would send me situations that would try my patience. The only way I know to distill patience is to practice the discipline of patience until it becomes internal.

While I remain uncomfortable with the four recent nukes, maybe the message from all this is to practice some of that patience before we hit the "Post this Reply" button.

John

EDIT:

I'm somewhat reluctant to post this here, but I learned that if I prayed for patience, God would send me situations that would try my patience. The only way I know to distill patience is to practice the discipline of patience until it becomes internal.

While I remain uncomfortable with the four recent nukes, maybe the message from all this is to practice some of that patience before we hit the "Post this Reply" button.

John

No! I love ya, John, but I disagree.

I will not relent in the face of this bullsh#t. Everybody should have a voice here. I think this stinks.





klk

Trad climber
cali
Feb 12, 2012 - 08:04pm PT
you cast no aspirgens upon truely hateful people

i cast no aspirgens as a matter of personal belief.

Nibs

Trad climber
Humboldt, CA
Feb 12, 2012 - 08:05pm PT
Blue, LOL! I will consider myself phucked.

You are too funny; for all your complaining today I sure don’t see your freedom of speech limited.

BTW, Do you really post climbing-related sh#t anymore? Nature has written a climbing guide that is still used in these parts. What the hell have you done for climbing?

[Edit] I am not one to hate and certainly do not hate you. But you are entertaining.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Feb 12, 2012 - 08:12pm PT
BTW, Do you really post climbing-related sh#t anymore? Nature has written a climbing guide that is still used in these parts. What the hell have you done for climbing?

Look at my pic profile, dude. And yeah, I have probably posted more climbing sh#t than Doug has.

But this isn't a dick show, huh?

Do you ever post anything relevant?
Nibs

Trad climber
Humboldt, CA
Feb 12, 2012 - 08:13pm PT
no, so what. you are the one TRYING to make a point.

besides, weren't you the one whining a while back about not climbing much anymore?

which guide book did you write?
klk

Trad climber
cali
Feb 12, 2012 - 08:22pm PT
a good case for banning multiple ip addresses.



anyone so devoted that they'll go do the public library to post politard sh#t while the homeless dudes jack off to unblocked pron, have cleared the bar for snow slogging shitty peaks in the pnw, hence have earned the cred to post along the edges of st.
apogee

climber
Feb 12, 2012 - 08:29pm PT
"I realize you all dislike me, demonize me, and castigate me. Fine. But you cast no aspirgens upon truely hateful people, do you?"

'aspersions'

Victim talk, bluering.

I forgot that you are in that tinhatted conspiratorial group that calls such actions 'censorship'. True enough, those boots are a form of censorship in it's simplest sense. Start your own Forum, run it for a few years with your own standards around content & moderation, then report back with your view. Until then, quitcherbitchin or leave.
go-B

climber
Habakkuk 3:19 Sozo
Feb 12, 2012 - 08:48pm PT
Asperger's!
WBraun

climber
Feb 12, 2012 - 08:57pm PT
Fatty in his younger days. Bad to the bone .....

Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 12, 2012 - 09:18pm PT
as·per·sion ( -spûr zh n, -sh n). n. 1. a. An unfavorable or damaging remark; slander: Don't cast aspersions on my honesty. b. The act of defaming or slandering.




SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Feb 12, 2012 - 09:24pm PT
aspirgens


genetically modified asparagus

kinda like

"He came down from the rock and cast aspirgens and there was no more hunger"



Susan
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Feb 12, 2012 - 09:32pm PT
Bluering!

Dude!

I have been lurking on this thread, and my take is: you are liked, and even loved by the majority of those posting here.

Calm down, take an antidepressant, or smoke some dope, and think about going back and deleting the below post. It's embarrassing to hear tough guys talk that way. Almost anyone that reads it: feels sorry for you.

I realize you all dislike me, demonize me, and castigate me. Fine. But you cast no aspirgens upon truely hateful people, do you? You people are really looking through the looking glass without looking at yourselves and that what is close to you.

--





So-----since I am posting.

Two conservatives & two liberals are out of ST for straying over the line. We all think it is not forever.

Since I'm a Republican: I want to arrange a trade of Republicans.

Let Fattrad back on, and ban Donald Thompson (and Skipt).
apogee

climber
Feb 12, 2012 - 09:37pm PT
fattrad should be allowed back, but on a short leash. If he returns to the same 8th grade namecalling...CHOP CHOP!

Donald's ok. Annoying, but ok. For all of his prolific graphic postings, he hasn't generated anything close to the kind of negativity or cruelty that skipt did. It's not really fair to compare them.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Feb 12, 2012 - 09:42pm PT
even loved by the majority of those posting here.

what is yr warrant for this claim?
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Feb 12, 2012 - 09:50pm PT
Hey there bluey
I don't git my nikkers in a twist jest cuz yu ain't so gud at spelling like sum hibrow tipes around heer.
But geez dude, chill.
No one's out to get you; and banning the 4 horsetards of the Apocalypse wasn't politically motivated.

EDIT: SCSeagote, dyamn that wuz funy!
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Feb 12, 2012 - 09:58pm PT
klk: re your mention & question.

even loved by the majority of those posting here.

what is yr warrant for this claim?


Back in grade school we all picked on those we liked.

My best quote on the subject is from my, N. Dakota native, father-in-law.



"I beat him up three times, and he still wouldn't be my friend."
klk

Trad climber
cali
Feb 12, 2012 - 10:04pm PT
Back in grade school we all picked on those we liked.

so yr saying cmac hammered the north bay four becuz he secretly liked them?

god beats the dogs he love best and etc.,?




i appreciate yr point, but it's not a general rule
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Feb 12, 2012 - 10:09pm PT
klk: I am only talking about this thread and posteurs response to Bluering posts.



No CMac action or thought analysis from me.
Nibs

Trad climber
Humboldt, CA
Feb 12, 2012 - 10:14pm PT
"god beats the dogs he love best"

ask Job...
[Edit]vv just a reactionary post, sorry. stepping away from the computer...
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Feb 12, 2012 - 10:22pm PT
"He came down from the rock and cast aspirgens and there was no more hunger"

That just made this whole thread worthwhile. If it takes 800 posts of stupid sh#t to generate a line like that, then Hurrah! for stupid sh#t posts.

klk

Trad climber
cali
Feb 12, 2012 - 10:23pm PT
randy, u continental philosophy/socialist poseur!


how's life with real communists?

seriously. miss ya, dude. hope it's cool.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Feb 12, 2012 - 10:32pm PT
you cast no aspirgens upon truely hateful people

Yes, Kath, I'll stick to those guns, even despite the obvious spelling error.

Do you have any ill feelings to people killing Copts in Egypt? How about the Christians in Nigeria? How about the Buddhists in Thailand?

Fatty gave a sh#t. But none of you did. F*#k all of you.

You all are all a bunch of self-satisfied as#@&%es, just happy with your own feelings of "green" and other crap that makes you "feel" good.

Fatty and Skipt actually have done more for people than you people will ever know. This site officially sucks now.

I canot believe you have condemned them. You all suck!