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nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Jan 25, 2012 - 12:05pm PT
he can't: he says he's ben banned from SuperTopo...


whack-o-mole. classic.
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Jan 25, 2012 - 12:06pm PT
At the heart of the David Lama piece (in Spanish) was the notion that . . .
"the question is more about destroying or not destroying."

What makes this tricky is that Kennedy and Kruk are being accused by some of destroying an abomination that according to Leo Dickenson and many others, then and now, consider to be a sacrilege and violent act of destruction on one of the most elegant and spectacular rocks formations on earth.

Of course, no authentic climber would call the compressor debacle a "route," whereby dozens of bolts bristle from the rock within inches of good cracks. This, simply put, is "scaffolding," as Leo said.

The thinking seems to be that the route was always there. Now it has been climbed, and the original desecration can be done away with. Good or bad - I cannot say and I do not know. But I do know that arguments that Kennedy or Kruk did not have the "right" to do so are totally irrelevant to the simply fact that they DID do it. The vanguard do not ask permission.

Once again, it's great theater either way.

JL
New Age II

climber
Jan 25, 2012 - 12:10pm PT
The vanguard do not ask permission. ???????
Also be stupid not have to ask...........
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jan 25, 2012 - 12:13pm PT
I think Werner nicely put to words something I've been struggling to articulate:

Maestri's epics on the Torre represents a mad passion, an insanity, an intense romantic affair, it's a huge part of "LIFE"
played out on the grand scale, that's bigger than him, that's not stale, bland, and boiled down to just mere hardware.

Right or wrong in the eyes of us mere mortals we miss this so many times .....

I've understood this in my heart all along, even though I couldn't formulate the words to express it.

Climbing itself represents mad passion, an insanity and an intense romantic affair. Climbing is lots of other things too but these three qualities seem to resonate throughout the various sub disciplines of our way. And even those of us who may have quelled or even lost our mad passion, we see it in others and like a nice drink from a clear mountain spring, are invigorated by being in its presence. We climbers DIG madness, passion and romantic notions; we do.

The bolts on Maestri's way are chopped. What's done is done.

I am simply repeating something I've said about this very route, prior to the chop...

Celebrate the madness. Revel in the insanity of it all. Understand your own love of the sport is not a singularity, there are others always with you.

Slap that mad bastard on the back and get to your next pitch.

May the compressor remain hanging from is lofty perch of insanity for many years more. There's 50 years of madness hanging up there, please don't chop it out of some Taliban sense of propriety. The compressor is not yours to chop. It belongs to us all, as does the tale of Maestri and Kennedy and Kruk and Dickinson and lots of others too.

Celebrate the madness. CELEBRATE IT. We climbers are strengthened by the likes of Maestri and Crowley and a host of other mad fools who thought they could live forever.

DMT
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Jan 25, 2012 - 12:14pm PT
Que pasarķa si alguien pintara con aerosol el cuadro de la Gioconda porque no le gusta su sonrisa?

More like what if someone slashed the Mona Lisa with a knife - pretty much what Maestri did - if you are going to use a painting to illustrate the point. Cerro Torre is the art and the compressor the desecration - how do you get that so ass backwards?
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Jan 25, 2012 - 12:19pm PT
if you are going to use a painting to illustrate the point.

The compressor was the desecration, not the art.

RIGHT ON!
The Larry

climber
Moab, UT
Jan 25, 2012 - 12:27pm PT
Since when does one get credit for a route that they didn't finish?

Sure CM did the heavy lifting, but he bailed before the top.

Therefore a historical failure of epic proportions, not a route.


nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Jan 25, 2012 - 12:36pm PT
The Larry: apparently in Italy and Argentina.
Kimbo

Trad climber
seattle
Jan 25, 2012 - 12:38pm PT
The vanguard do not ask permission.

The "vanguard"? what silly pomp!

Sorry, but i cannot fathom anyone calling this a "vanguard" action (for reasons i stated previously).
Kimbo

Trad climber
seattle
Jan 25, 2012 - 12:42pm PT

Cerro Torre is the art and the compressor the desecration - how do you get that so ass backwards?

cerro torre is a piece of rock, sculpted/formed by the impersonal(?) forces of nature; in no way does it fit the definition of "art".

it doesn't give a hoot if someone stuck 10 pounds of metal into it once upon a time; it takes a human with ideas in her/his head for that!
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Jan 25, 2012 - 12:44pm PT
That's great that you got to state your points Kimbo.
But that facts are in spite of general disagreement Maestri was not swayed from his actions when he was the vanguard nor were K&K.

They changed nothing but the future which has already happened.
Kimbo

Trad climber
seattle
Jan 25, 2012 - 12:45pm PT
i do find the lack of responses to the argentinian's letter posted on a previous page both interesting and telling, a continuation of the seeming arrogance that the "pro bolt-remover" crowd seems to display....
Kinobi

climber
Jan 25, 2012 - 12:49pm PT
@Kimbo
OT: "silly pomp" is, more or less, "blowjob" in Italian.
Great post.
E

Kimbo

Trad climber
seattle
Jan 25, 2012 - 12:50pm PT
But that facts are in spite of general disagreement Maestri was not swayed from his actions when he was the vanguard nor were K&K.

no one listed above fits the definition of "vanguard" (based on their actions on cerro torre).


They changed nothing but the future which has already happened.

it's interesting to ponder the notion that the future "has already happened"....

maybe someone has more on this.

philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Jan 25, 2012 - 12:51pm PT
Silly Pomp = Italian Blow Job.

WAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
;0
Love it.
Jean Gurtorju

climber
land of echoes
Jan 25, 2012 - 12:52pm PT
Hi guys...

Credit: Jean Gurtorju

above a photo of Buddha of Bamiyan, destroyed by ignorance, fundamentalism and the inability to understand the thoughts of others, qualities that characterize the Afghan Talibans.
Well, in the K & K's act I see the same qualities: violence, intolerance, the presumption of being right, arrogance towards those who don't think like them and democratically expressed it in the assembly of El Chalten.

This whole story is very sad.

WBraun

climber
Jan 25, 2012 - 12:57pm PT
Impossible to destroy Buddha.

Can never ever be done ever.

If one "thinks" it can be done then they do not know who "Buddha" really is .....
JLP

Social climber
The internet
Jan 25, 2012 - 12:59pm PT
The vanguard do not ask permission.
Neither does the deviant. Kind of hard to see the difference here.
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Jan 25, 2012 - 01:00pm PT
Jean there is not the slightest comparison between these acts.
BlackSpider

Ice climber
Jan 25, 2012 - 01:04pm PT
Now I've heard it all. Comparing the Taliban blowing up ancient Buddha statues or defacing the Mona Lisa to stripping some unsightly machine bolts from a rock face? I mean, seriously?
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