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philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Jan 31, 2012 - 05:19pm PT
She is my friend yes.
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Jan 31, 2012 - 05:21pm PT
You guys are pigs. lol :)
Johnny K.

climber
Jan 31, 2012 - 05:43pm PT
hahaahaaa
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jan 31, 2012 - 05:54pm PT
Now now, that's not cool.

DMT
Gene

climber
Jan 31, 2012 - 05:54pm PT
This thread is done.
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Jan 31, 2012 - 05:55pm PT
Actually Fatz you got that backwards. Not an uncommon state for you.
She met Messner at the OR show in Salt Lake after the Ouray Ice Fest.

But cast no aspersions please gentlemen and you too Fatz, she is a really lovely person not some strumpet to slander. Not to mention she can outclimb the frothing lie spewer without breaking a glisten
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Jan 31, 2012 - 06:33pm PT
Not to mention she can outclimb the frothing lie spewer without breaking a glisten

She must have a ST account I hope.

philo hijacked the thread with 2 photos of a blonde! Well done!
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Jan 31, 2012 - 06:44pm PT
Your welcome. Mission Accomplished!
Tahoe climber

climber
Davis these days
Jan 31, 2012 - 06:46pm PT
I still think it's interesting that the Italians (and other anti-chop posters) don't offer a peep about their opinions of removing the bolts in the context of Maestri starting the job himself.
He removed some of the bolts himself, while on the way down from his second near ascent, did he not?
In the absence of any statement from him thus far, I find his action very telling - practically an open invitation to anyone to finish the job, and representing a coming back to sanity after a brief sojourn. I think he realized that it was a mess and a mistake, and began trying to fix it, but didn't have the time, energy or motivation to fix it entirely.

JUST LIKE K&K.

But you who are so mad at K&K for removing his bolts, due to their "disrespect." Does this change your opinion?
Aren't you just SO MAD at Maestri for preemptively "removing bits of history?"

:-))))

TC


philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Jan 31, 2012 - 06:51pm PT
Oh crap here we go again.
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Fuzzy thinking.
:-)
FeelioBabar

Trad climber
One drink ahead of my past.
Jan 31, 2012 - 06:52pm PT
Oh Jesus....That blonde in question, is more kicked in than a Fallujah front door.
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Jan 31, 2012 - 06:56pm PT
Classless.
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Jan 31, 2012 - 06:58pm PT
Werner wrote

Cesare Maestri didn't care when he went crazy on the Cerro Torre.

K&K is the karmic reaction to Cesare Maestri.

Spinning wheels got go round .....

Werner's right, this is a karma thing.

Just like the colonialism of the past brought the seeds of wars in Vietnam and the Middle East, none of it any good.

Two wrongs (the compressor route and the chopping) not adding up to anything right.

Maestri was pissed at not being believed the first time and so went up with some tweak in his heart and a compressor. The energy of the tweak returns with the chop, which is also tweaked.

Egos bring distortion and destruction. Iconic mountains like Torre and Everest attract the actions of egos.

Ironically, the compressor was sort of a visionary idea, ahead of it's time and now a lot of climbing is established with power drills, like it or not. The actions of visionaries are sometimes vindicated by time, as once hang-dogging was shunned but now embraced, and sometimes repudiated. In this case..... both

Peace

Karl
FeelioBabar

Trad climber
One drink ahead of my past.
Jan 31, 2012 - 06:58pm PT

And wasn't the compressor removed once, and then the gov. ordered it returned to it's original place?
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Jan 31, 2012 - 07:03pm PT




Photos by Blitzo, courtesy of MountainProject.
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Jan 31, 2012 - 07:05pm PT
Blitzo is such a fine photographer!


Speaking of fine photographs, has anyone noticed the amazing cloud formations on Cerro Torre in the back of ALPINIST 37? Great analogue for the divergent opinions present in this thread.



Hey, now if I travel to the Dolomites am I going to get beat up?
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Johnny K.

climber
Jan 31, 2012 - 11:14pm PT
Piton Ron


Anyway Bird might have considered Maestri a pussy but Jim's views have morphed substantially over the years to say the least.
It would be great if he weighed in now.

Even though he hated the act, the route itself was a crowning achievement for a guy previously known as head kahuna of C4.

And what of the chopping now?

I see.That would be great if we could hear what Bridwell has to say about the current subject.


Philo hahaa Awesome post =D
Todd Eastman

climber
Bellingham, WA
Feb 1, 2012 - 12:07am PT
Should we dis Hillary next...
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Feb 1, 2012 - 01:15am PT
1500
Lovegasoline

Trad climber
Sh#t Hole, Brooklyn, NY
Feb 1, 2012 - 01:39am PT
BlackSpider Wrote:
As far as the names I mentioned, that's all information I've gathered from reading the various online threads, as well as people's blogs and Facebook/Twitter feeds. You can also add Kelly Cordes and Cedar Wright to the pro-chop list. What's also interesting is to read the discussions on this issue on the British climbing sites. Some of the guys there make the pro-chopping folks here seem downright modest in terms of what they are okay with! (for instance, one British old-timer stated that removal of all the bolts by any means or method of ascent was perfectly justifiable).


If you intend to speak for other climbers, you'll need to strive to be accurate, instead of distorting the facts to suit your agenda. It leads to a general distrust of your statements, neither is the topic served by such wholesale distortions.


Case in point: Cedar Wright.
Cedar wrote a lengthy and eloquent post (which is worth reading: post #480). Here's an excerpt where he sums up his position [emphasis added]:

"My feelings? I have to say I'm a bit saddened that they have chopped the route; largely because I like the guys and feel that this is a very polarizing thing to do. There is no doubt they will be remembered for many years as the "choppers." If I had been in their shoes, I would have enjoyed this more pure ascent and then left the bolts intact for others to clip, or not. I would like to be remembered for my climbs and my character, and not for an incredibly divisive and dare I say zealous, act."

Unless you have another reliable source for Cedar's take on this, by what critical methods do you manage to distill what Cedar wrote down to this glaring misrepresentation: "You can also add Kelly Cordes and Cedar Wright to the pro-chop list"?


BlackSpider, unfortunately you cannot be relied on to paraphrase anyone.
Your credibility is wanting.
From this point forward, you'll need to post actual verbatum citations of climbers' written and spoken commentary (and cite the source) if you intend to refer to them and be taken seriously in the debate.
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