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Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 19, 2011 - 11:22am PT
My sixth day.
Down 10 pounds.
Best I have felt in 6 months.
Not for everyone, especially the ectomorphs, but for me it seems to be the right choice.

Advice and anecdotes?
caughtinside

Social climber
Davis, CA
Dec 19, 2011 - 11:23am PT
Low T?
monolith

climber
berzerkly
Dec 19, 2011 - 11:25am PT
Don't forget to get your calories in. Vegan food can be less calorie dense, particularly if you don't go for grains like pasta.

As for testosterone, my last test was 760, all natural, no T shots. Very high, and I've been vegan for about 15 years.

Also, stay low fat, don't eat a lot of the fatty overts like oil, avocado, nuts.
zip

Trad climber
pacific beach, ca
Dec 19, 2011 - 11:26am PT
congrats!

I've been a Vagiterian for years, but it doesn't really make much of a difference in my weight.
Russ Walling

Gym climber
Poofter's Froth, Wyoming
Dec 19, 2011 - 11:26am PT
6 days, down 10 pounds.... yer body is dying. Try a pullup in 12 more days and then go get a burger.

Vegans are always light in the sac.... low T is the big problem with the nuts and berries gang. Look at them Eldo Prancers. Not a strong nut_sac swimmer amongst the lot of them.
monolith

climber
berzerkly
Dec 19, 2011 - 11:28am PT
Cool, it's the protein myth and the ya gotta eat meat for testosterone myth.

Get enough calories, and you get enough protein.

As for T, see my post above and I don't eat hardly any nuts, berries.
Russ Walling

Gym climber
Poofter's Froth, Wyoming
Dec 19, 2011 - 11:32am PT
The Prancers eat tons of ChinNuts™ and they are still on the low end of T. Go figure....
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Dec 19, 2011 - 11:33am PT
Very cool good luck!

The way that can be known is not the way.

Hey russ up for a pullup pull off with a 28 year "veggie" vet?
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Dec 19, 2011 - 11:34am PT
B12 supplements are good too.

Russ Walling

Gym climber
Poofter's Froth, Wyoming
Dec 19, 2011 - 11:34am PT
Sorry Jay, you are not Vegan. Seen you pound pescado. Fake veggies are a dime a dozen, and retain their strength.
Gary

climber
That Long Black Cloud Is Coming Down
Dec 19, 2011 - 11:35am PT
You want to have a pull off with Russ? Ewwwwww....
LEB

climber
PA
Dec 19, 2011 - 11:51am PT
I fail to see how being a vegan can influence testosterone levels. Testosterone is a hormone which is manufactured by the body. Like all substances the body builds, it does so by biochemical pathways involving elemental compounds. It derives these elemental compounds by breaking down (metabolizing) the foods we take in. Once the foodstuffs are broken down into the elemental compounds, these substances are available for building the proteins and other substances we need.

It should not really matter the source of the compounds because once they are broken down, it is all the same biochemically. The only issue is whether a particular foodstuff provides the necessary number of any such compound, for example, an amino acid. Vegetable sources provide less protein per gram of foodstuff (versus meats) but they are certainly capable of meeting a person's needs for protein. It is not necessary to eat meats or animal products (except for B12) in order to get enough protein but rather just more efficient to do so.

When it comes to biosynthesizing testosterone, it really should not matter from what source (animal or plant) the elemental compounds did originate. The only thing which matters is whether the requisite compounds are present in sufficient quantify when the body needs them to synthesize something.

As an aside, as far as riley goes, he has so much raw testosterone floating around that he could halve the amount and still have more than he needed. Interestingly, anyway, it does not take all that much to "do the job." The average level in men is 350-750 so the person who quoted his level in the 700s is quite correct in stating he falls on the high side of this continuum. Those with the levels in the 300s can typically "do the job" just as well as those with the high levels in the 700s. The "minimum" levels required for say facial hair, spermatogenesis, or the ability to get an erection is not all that high, actually.

Women, by contrast, have normal testosterone levels ranging from 0-40 (much less than even the males with the lowest levels). For that reason, their libido (sex drive) and propensity to get into physical fights is much less. Note "much less" does NOT equal zero.
fattrad

Mountain climber
GOP Convention
Dec 19, 2011 - 11:53am PT
Jaybro,

My daughter wins the pullup contest, 31 on the last try.



The evil one
NigelSSI

Trad climber
B.C.
Dec 19, 2011 - 11:54am PT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQynViAF6Ds
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A community of hairless apes
Dec 19, 2011 - 12:01pm PT
FYI,


The new testosterone range as of Oct 2011 is 348 - 1197. (It's no longer 193 - 740.)

I've been trying Vit T for six months now. Current number is 1050 and, sure enough, feels like my soul is sporting a new body machine.

How do you like them apples? ;)

Also doing the Vegan thing M-S, Sun off. I like it. I was inspired by a netflix documentary on over-eating meats and diary products. Also highly recommnend a statin as a preventive if it's right for you.
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Dec 19, 2011 - 12:04pm PT


LEB

climber
PA
Dec 19, 2011 - 12:06pm PT
As long as we are talking about testosterone, it patterns the brain (literally) in utero so the effects can never be completely undone - even by castration. Anyone who has castrated male pets (dogs and cats) knows that they are still somewhat more aggressive and have a greater tendency to wander (both of which "male" traits) as compared to their female dogs and cats. The castrated male cat, for example, acts like a watered-down Tom cat but does not ever truly reach the level of the female cat. They still "think like" tom cats only to a (much) lesser degree. Some of them are still quite territorial and continue even to spray. Once the cells of the brain are exposed to the effects of testosterone, that effect can never be completely eradicated and the organism can never truly cease to "think like" a male animal of its species. The animals will simply express the patterns to a lesser degree as do the "watered-down" Tom cats we keep as pets.
Jeremy

Social climber
Albuquerque, NM
Dec 19, 2011 - 12:06pm PT
The Prancers eat tons of ChinNuts™ and they are still on the low end of T. Go figure....

Russ...that made my F*#KING DAY!

VEGAN = WAY HOMO NO BACON PRANCER SH#T

Buuuuuuuuuut...to each his/her own.

If it helps ya Riley...roll with it!

More bacon for us BITCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Dec 19, 2011 - 12:06pm PT
That's a good start, Fatty. She has potential. I used to be only able to do 31 too, when I was her age...


should have known you wouldn't overlook that fact Fish...
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Dec 19, 2011 - 12:06pm PT
How do you take your Vit T, Fructose? Sucking on them big ol' beef popsicles like Russ?
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